speaking of e-tag..

Was told by someone working on the new bridge, that when you drive up old bridge and go pass the speed signs there is an e-toll on them and takes 17c off, without anyone knowing then when you go through the gates you get snapped the usual amount.

^i call bulls*** on that. people would notice it on their bills.

the clem7 is launching a new tolling system flowtoll.com.au the costs of the toll are the same, but fees and charges are a little lighter on. also works on any toll road in australia.

Oh sweet so I can change tolling companies and get exactly the same amount of toll coverage but be able to pay more fees?

Where do I sign up?

Competition in tolling companies is good. It's why I still use an eTag/Govia/whatever the f*** they are calling themselves today in Melbourne because it's cheaper than a CityLink toll.

i'm pretty sure flow will be cheaper.

What's the difference between Kat and the Clem7 tunnel?

You don't pay a fine when someone sends you photos of Kat.

What's the difference between Kat and the Clem7 tunnel?

kat's tunnel opened for business years ago?

I crack me up.

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Plus new buses number 77 are commencing on 29th March, from 8 mile plain to Chermside via Chem7 but when it depart only busway to buranda then to Chem7 tunnel then to windsor station then to Chermside. Takes less then 40 mins without tho to city.

What's the difference between Kat and the Clem7 tunnel?

QPAC billboards in the Clem7 promoting elvis will be at least 100m apart.

kat's tunnel was opened for business years ago?

I crack me up.

gold.

Also, the Clem7 is only 4 lanes.

Some questions if you could help, much appreciated.

1. If i don't have an etoll/flowtoll thing can i still go through the tunnel while it's free?

2. I heard the tunnel is two lanes with no room for broken down cars to park. So if someone breaks down there will be only one lane without anywhere to move the car too until the tow truck comes?

Thnx

yea

Futureproofing is for suckahs

1. you will be able to go through free without an etoll/flowtoll account.
2. afaik they have the whole thing under survallance (sp?) and if you break down they will most likely pull you out before you reach for the phone to call a tow truck.

2. I heard the tunnel is two lanes with no room for broken down cars to park. So if someone breaks down there will be only one lane without anywhere to move the car too until the tow truck comes?

Atleast there will be plenty of warning signs through the tunnel with the amount of digital screens that have been put up, when someone f***s up on the riverside expressway its always a mess

2. I heard the tunnel is two lanes with no room for broken down cars to park. So if someone breaks down there will be only one lane without anywhere to move the car too until the tow truck comes?

They push you out. The BCC has those quick response trucks with cushioned bumpers on the front, they just roll up behind you, tell you to get off the brake, put it in neutral and then they push.

Can someone clarify for me what the hell they mean about "stay in your lane"?

Are they saying that unless there's a breakdown etc, you stay in the lane you entered the tunnel in? So, if I entered in the left lane, I'm stuck in the left lane until the other side? Even if I've got a d******* geriatric/asian female driver doing 40km/h?

Or is more a case of "like with all overtaking, don't do it just for s***s and giggles and exercise a bit of caution etc"?

Edit: punctuation fail :(

It's presumably double lines the whole way through it. Most major tunnels are.

Fair enough. Thanks for the clarification :)

oh here is another one

3. I heard that the reason you have your lights on is incase the power goes out, they dont have backup generators etc for the lights. Anyone know if this is true? That would be freeky.

If anyone has been out driving in think foresty type roads during a no-moon/slim crescent moon with the forest either side of you and turned off your lights, you woudl know how s*** scary and dark it is to feel your car hurtling at about 80km/h without a single bit of light.

Predicting a lot more people with flat batteries due to this tunnel.

yeah actually you got a point there, they wont remember to turn them off!

You really think they wouldn't have some kind of back-up system for the lights, really?

I turn my car off and it turns my lights off.

What dinosaurs are you all driving?

What happens if it rains ?
Like a torrential downpour ?
Will the bottom of the tunnel become a DEATH POND

Nah, the Illuminati have special hidden tunnels built into it to drain the water away. They're hoarding it in giant subterranean pools to gradually increase the temperature of the earth through increasing drought. Once their plan comes to fruition, they'll come out into the open and rule us like the lizard gods they truly are.

;)

sorry, couldn't resist. Thread derail over.

You really think they wouldn't have some kind of back-up system for the lights, really?

it's gamer...

The cost of the tunnel was on the radio all day, after the free period ends and the discounts are gone it's something stupid like $4.30 to go through this tunnel. All I can say is: f*** you millionaire cambell, not all of us have billions to spend every time we want to take a f***ing drive somewhere.

IMHO it's a government conspiracy to make driving too expensive pushing us to either car pool or use public transport in order to save fuel/emissions/give the greedy c***s in power more money.

You really think they wouldn't have some kind of back-up system for the lights, really?



it's gamer...

Not to defend gamer but this is Australia, we're not exactly on the forefront of anything technological as far as roads go. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if there wasn't any backup power for the tunnel. Power goes out and the emergency fans just shut off and everyone gets toasted.

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People who are going to be using the tunnel in their daily commute are either chumps working on the north side, or worse, chumps who live on the north side.

Either way, I have no pity for them.

2. afaik they have the whole thing under survallance (sp?) and if you break down they will most likely pull you out before you reach for the phone to call a tow truck.

yep, my cousin and I broke down just before the harbour bridge on the F1 southbound, by the time we had thought about who to call, a tow truck rocked up and took us to the nearest servo for free

Guys,

I was the safety manager for the guys that designed the tunnel. Its good to see this finally finished - so to answer your questions.

1) if it rains, there are sumps at the bottom of the tunnel connected to massive pumps that suck out 150L of water every second. Its designed to not flood unless there is a 1/100 year rainfall event.

2) the tunnel is circular but youll notice when you drive through it that its square. thats due to the top quarter of the tunnel being used for venting / smoke extraction if theres a fire. The bottom quarter is for water / cables etc.

3) if someone catches fire down there, there's deluge systems that can pump out ~3600mm of water an hour. The tunnel is also concrete because tar burns, concrete doesn't.

4) mobile phones will work inside. Radios will work inside. both are rebroadcasted.

5) if you get stuck, just chill. The cameras down there are motion sensitive so they throw an alarm as soon as traffic stops moving. The lane your stuck in is automatically closed and theres a 2 person towtruck crew sitting in the control room 24/7 ready to go and grab you. Additionally, there are two operators in the control room 24/7. Dont get out of your car. Just chill and turn on your radio and they will tell you what to do.

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^ useful info is useful

great first post

yeah and now im waiting for trog to hit me with the ban stick

lowgoz, how many women and children were killed in the construction of the clem

I cant remember where I've seen the Lowgoz nick before, boostcruising?

I have also seen lowgoz before.

WAIT!!! The control room is INSIDE my radio?

Killed 0
None of my guys were injured during construction works

Unsure about the other contractors who were bulding it.

Inspection video i took : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSzUR1p1c9k

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Just chill and turn on your radio and they will tell you what to do.

How does this work, and why do they tell you to listen to your radio? Is there a special frequency of do the overloads overtake and speak from above?

How does this work, and why do they tell you to listen to your radio? Is there a special frequency of do the overloads overtake and speak from above

Well they rebroadcast all the major stations, so if they want to talk to you they just kill the feeds from the control room and inject their voice over the rebroadcast signal. You woudn't get the original signal in the tunnel so they can rebroadcast whatevber they want

Hopefully you get what i mean

that's blatant censorship?!?&^R@&1

or we could just not rebroadcast s*** and you can all go back to the stone age while your in the tunnel for 4 mins.


hi jim

should broadcast some elevator music

brb, running to the control room to suggest they do the elevator music.

/edit.

They said no



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Same radio trick as the Burnley Tunnel in Melby. Kinda freaky at first.

4. Do they take over every single radio station? Like you dont have to tune in to any frequency? They somehow broadcast to all frequencies? Wouldn't that mean that houses/buildings near the entrance or perhaps even above the tunnel might get the tunnel broadcast?

Hmm tricky.

Ohhhhh 24 minutes to go, I'm getting excited.

Maybe I should stay up and go for a drive! Or maybe I'll just go to bed.....

Ok question:

why are there 8 speed cameras in that tunnel? is that their way of saying "we've spent bucket loads on this tunnel and one way to recoup the costs is by charging motorists fines, and to make sure they get fined we'll put 8 speed cameras there. We'll also make sure we'll vary the speed limit 8 times between each camera that way we can catch them for sure.. yeah that'll f*** em over".

or am i way off?

Not to defend gamer but this is Australia, we're not exactly on the forefront of anything technological as far as roads go. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if there wasn't any backup power for the tunnel. Power goes out and the emergency fans just shut off and everyone gets toasted.

this tunnel is as advanced as any other modern tunnel built in the last couple of years

you pretty much can't do it any other way

why are there 8 speed cameras in that tunnel? is that their way of saying "we've spent bucket loads on this tunnel and one way to recoup the costs is by charging motorists fines, and to make sure they get fined we'll put 8 speed cameras there. We'll also make sure we'll vary the speed limit 8 times between each camera that way can catch them for sure.. yeah that'll f*** em over".

as much as i f***ing hate speed cameras etc

i genuinely think it would be for safety so knobs don't try to use it as a top speed run

and just generally people f***ing s*** up due to speeding, it's not just a mound of dirty you drive into if you f*** up and come off the road

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or am i way off?

Did you mention the speed signs are digital and can be changed whenever they feel like it?

why are there 8 speed cameras in that tunnel?

The way I see it is they're just coving all their bases. There is one camera for each lane going in each direction. It would be stupid to leave a way to speed though the tunnel without getting caught.

lowgoz was here years ago

also lowgoz, i heard some clown on the radio thismorning talking about using his handsfree on his GPS so he can talk and look at the GPS at the same time under the tunnel.

Then i thought, i don't even think GPS will work under the tunnel. C/D?

Possible, but unlikely they'd bother. It'd multi-path like a bitch.

just went for a quick spin through the tunnel from Stones corner entrance (next to PA hospital) through to Lutwyche rd.

pretty cool to see the whole deal come together (after getting sneak peaks for ages) and nice to see how quick it'll be to travel.

unedited vid of part of run (my dad tried to shut the window on my arm =[)

So there aren't any double lines? But it's recommended that you avoid overtaking? Hmm...

as much as i f***ing hate speed cameras etc

i genuinely think it would be for safety so knobs don't try to use it as a top speed run

and just generally people f***ing s*** up due to speeding, it's not just a mound of dirty you drive into if you f*** up and come off the road

Yeah this, isn't there a bunch of guys in japan who do nothing but high speed runs in one of the tunnels over there? Also rev heads with loud zorsts like to do it to hear out their phat pipes echo in tunnels.

To be honest I want to drive through it at least once just to see what it's like but:

Did you mention the speed signs are digital and can be changed whenever they feel like it?

What happens if they change it right after you've gone passed one so you don't see it and end up going over the limit, this sounds like a good way to get more money from speeding fines to me.

"If you’re planning on using the tunnel in the next few days just remember this may also be the first time for other motorists so keep your eyes on the road, keep to the speed limit and try to stay in your lane at all times."

I don't think they want you to avoid over taking, I think it's more because you're all entering unfamiliar territory and you don't know what's up ahead whether a lane is closed or a car is broken down etc. I think it's more about not taking risks, acting like a d******* and causing someone to brake or crash by overtaking or cutting in front of someone.

That being said, if someone's going really slow I'm overtaking that fool. Maybe I'll take my camera and film my run, overtake someone and record the results.

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just went for a squiz, nice to see 80kph limit instead of 60/70 or something completely dumb
funny you mention exhausts, as I drove through I slowly came up on a ricer whose annoying drone exhaust I could hear before I could even see the car it belonged to

What happens if they change it right after you've gone passed one so you don't see it and end up going over the limit, this sounds like a good way to get more money from speeding fines to me.

they'd probably have to be linked to the cameras already, I wouldn't be surprised if there's an electronically-imposed amnesty period when the signs change

funny you mention exhausts, as I drove through I slowly came up on a ricer whose annoying drone exhaust I could hear before I could even see the car it belonged to

I'm keen to take my ute through it. V8, bugger all mufflers :)

went for a quick putt on the bike, the decent is so gradual you don't feel like you've gone under anything until you hit bowen hills where it goes upwards quite noticably

I just thought of something, if they re-broadcast all the radio and mobile phone signals wouldn't that just make the tunnel one giant cancer causing directional microwave antenna shooting rays out from either end? I pity the fools living at either end of it and who use it on their daily commute. I'm constructing a Faraday cage inside my car before I go through it.

oh noes

heh apparently people were queuing up for over 2 hrs to be the first ones through.

lol

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/first-clem7-breakdown-clogs-tunnel-20100316-qa35.html

first break down this morning, chaos ensued

f*** it's just a road

lolzzzzzz

I drove through it this morning and I can confirm that it is indeed a tunnel.

f*** it's just a road

They should be playing "under the sea" from Disney's little mermaid over the tunnel radio broadcast.

According to the radio the tunnel is a bit epic fail in this mornings peak traffic, grid lock and 10km/h speeds the whole way for over an hour or so?

I don't drive to work so I don't know :)

Riding/train ftw!

I hope all the suckers use it so the rest of the roads are easier for me to use

Traffic on the riverside was considerably less, I saved 15 minutes :)

funny you mention exhausts, as I drove through I slowly came up on a ricer whose annoying drone exhaust I could hear before I could even see the car it belonged to

Could have been me!

it was a red car, about 1am I guess
north bound

Oh in that case no, I went through between 10-11:30. nawwwww.

lowgoz = splat afaik

According to the radio the tunnel is a bit epic fail in this mornings peak traffic, grid lock and 10km/h speeds the whole way for over an hour or so?

Read the article linked above, it was 10km/h under the speed limit of 80km/h.

ya lowgoz = splat just fyi

the tunnel was only f***ed for an hour because of the breakdown. traffic was normal at 7am

What's the difference between Kat and the Clem7 tunnel?
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heh apparently people were queuing up for over 2 hrs to be the first ones through.

Winnar!

I bet that dude in the red Laser felt like a douche.

phwoar my first 100 post thread?

shopped

only a eurocopter could peform such a feat of shopping

They didn't stay in their lane, no headlights and they are doing more than 80km/h.

f*** that eye in the sky chick is hot.

Also, riverside express way was a tonne easier today during peek time. Loved it! literally like 1/2 the cars were off the road.

wait til the tunnel isn't free though.

I'd expect slow speeds in the tunnel for the first couple of weeks while people gawk and work out which lanes they need to be in.

And also stop going through for "the experience".

wait til the tunnel isn't free though.

So true.

"Traffic on the Story Bridge is at a standstill today as the government begins charging for use of Clem7..."

The government doesn't toll the tunnel, it's a private company. I saw some stupid comment on Courier Mail today saying that billions of dollars of ratepayer money was wasted. The council only put in a fraction of the cost of the tunnel, most of it was paid for by the operator.

Just went through it. Won't be doing that again.
It is realllllly long and at about 100m in I wanted out and felt sick

soft

lolwut

It's a pretty short tunnel really. 5 mins and your done :/

lol what the f*** kat

heh my wife had the same reaction

I'm thinking of going for a joy drive tonight. Something about entering a tunnel that excites me.

And yeah, Riverside was a breeze this morning, but I'll reserve judgement until the tolls a tickin' over.

heh inbound on the riverside this afternoon wasnt a car park for once. other direction was still the same though :(

heh inbound on the riverside this afternoon wasnt a car park for once. other direction was still the same though :(

missing hale street and the riverside expressway was pretty good, soon as I came out of the tunnel onto the M1 back down to 60

I'm thinking of going for a joy drive tonight. Something about entering a tunnel that excites me.

sexy

im gonna take a sick day tomorrow so i can stay up late tonight and fool around in the tunnel a bit

you might want to disable the cameras first.

I am happy to get s*** for it. I am severely claustrophobic and should never have attempted it, but I did because I thought I would get over it. No such luck :/

It's a pretty short tunnel really. 5 mins and your done :/

Thats what she said.

I am happy to get s*** for it. I am severely claustrophobic and should never have attempted it, but I did because I thought I would get over it. No such luck :/

heh there is an article in todays courier mail that says claustrophobics shouldnt go into the tunnel.

yeah lowgoz is splat. whoop.

Ok more questions answered

8 speed cameras due to 2 x lanes in 2 x tunnels, so you really only pass through two. Its to stop asshats crashing their cars and ending up like diana

of course the tunnel has backup generators. They tell you to turn your lights on so other people can see you. You'd never know if the power went out, nothing would change.

rebroadcast is of every station, but if you think about it they only need very low power, its not like when your driving normally your radio is picking up really strong signals. Stop the cancer fear BS.

If you are at the bowen hills end, you will see construction of airport link flyovers. This means that you will be able to exit the tunnel out there and get straight onto airport link which essentially is a tunnel straight out to the airport.

GPS does not work in the tunnel. Even if it did, the flyovers and tunnel itself isn't mapped yet.

If you are at the bowen hills end, you will see construction of airport link flyovers. This means that you will be able to exit the tunnel out there and get straight onto airport link which essentially is a tunnel straight out to the airport.

That sounds pretty sweet, probably be an expensive journey though :(

fake plates

I read the original cancer thing as a joke
kind of like my censorship comment

of course the tunnel has backup generators. They tell you to turn your lights on so other people can see you. You'd never know if the power went out, nothing would change.

Depends on the system they have, but the lights (except for battery powered emergency lighting) probably would go out until the generators kicked back in.

Just did the tunnel, good stuff :)

GPS does not work in the tunnel. Even if it did, the flyovers and tunnel itself isn't mapped yet.

Even if it was, it's not like the GPS is going to tell you to take a sharp left 60m underneath the river either.

Went through the tunnel both ways today. Driving north my radio coverage kept getting interrupted with advice there was congestion ahead. I got the picture the first time, particularly since I drove past the congestion on my way through the first time. I understand that the broadcast probably can't be directed at sections of the tunnel, but the tunnels are obviously independent of each other.

All in all, it was a good to drive through it once, but I don't see myself using it once the toll kicks in, particularly since it's actually quite boring.

Also, the sign-age should be improved, as the exit onto the ICB isn't clear.

lol some retard rode his bike through it.

I wonder if the Google Car will go through.

lol some retard rode his bike through it.

Hah what? Link?

It was in today's Courier Mail.

i dont remember seeing any signs saying that was prohibited

Tunnel was ok spose... Claustrophobia is ridiculous in there. As if you'd be scared, it's the most nonthreatening tunnel ever la ^^

i dont remember seeing any signs saying that was prohibited

theres quite a few signs saying what vehicles are prohibited.

particularly since it's actually quite boring

It's a long traffic tunnel, of course it's boring.
Did you expect portholes so you can see the fishes swimming in the river?

http://clem7.com.au/content/2178/VEHICLE-RESTRICTIONS

Did you expect portholes so you can see the fishes swimming in the river?

That would have been awesome, since I did miss having a view, however, the tunnel goes under the river, not along the bottom, so no fishes would be able to be seen.

My comment was based on the hype that surrounded the tunnel. I merely expected the tunnel to live up to that hype, particularly since this was the first (serious) tunnel I had driven through.

not to mention the fact that riding on highways/motorways/freeways is completely illegal

Tunnel is back to being tolled as of this morning, but with 30% off (not sure if that's all vehicle classes, only briefly saw the sign on the way northbound).

Will be interesting to see what happens.

Personally I think the $4.28 is too steep.

The Tunnel opening made a significant difference to my commute to and from work (I don't use the tunnel) so I hope that doesn't change.

I'm on holidays this week so they'll have 1 week to sort it out!

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I do see a lot of people using the tunnel, though no-where near as much as when it is free. So your commute should still be slightly faster.

Anyone with a company vehicle will surely use the Tunnel. Most Tradies I know said they couldn't justify the extra $45 a week to use it. Some have said they will use it though, as it all goes back off tax.

still free between midnight and 5am i think, or something around that time frame
sounds like they're trying to avoid what happened with Sydney's cross city tunnel

sounds like they're trying to avoid what happened with Sydney's cross city tunnel

and that is?

$900m The cost of building the tunnel.

$350m Estimated sale value.

$570m What the banks are owed.

$220m Likely loss for the banks.

$100m The looming court claims.

97,000 Original daily traffic estimate.

30,000 The current daily traffic flow.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/fire-sale-as-tunnel-price-plummets/2007/02/07/1170524164264.html

Basically. No-one used it because the Toll-Fee was too high.
Much like the White-Elephant a few people are predicting the Clem7 will become.

and that is?

no one used it for ages because it was ridiculously expensive

edit: beaten+ ^

to put things into perspective, the few minutes you'll save each day will cost you $2k/year at 48 weeks

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You'll save a bit in fuel and wear and tear on your car though which will be a small saving to offset the toll cost.

I reckon the $4.28 is too high.

$2.50 sounds good to me. I'd use it daily for that if using it was an option for me.

Why dont they offer a discount for the 2nd trip in 24hrs or even 12 ?

It shouldn't be tolled if it is such an integral part of Brisbane Traffic management.

That being said, I have absolutely no reason to use it. It would only be of use to me if I was going to Stones Corner or something near and that doesn't really happen.

I used it the other day purely to use it, to get to my destination from Holland Park to Kelvin Grove it would have been better to go a different route, but I used the tunnels, it took a similar amount of time but I would normally have to pay for it :/

why don't they learn from others mistakes and not set ridiculous toll charges from the get go
c***s put the gateway tolls up to try and force people through the new tunnel, all it seems to have done is increased congestion through the city

Out of curiosity is it a flat fee or is it cheaper for bikes?

Still over here in Canada... but I'll be back in a week.
Missed the free period, but if it is infact free after midnight I'll take a run through it just for the hell of it to take a look.

No use to me for where I go but hopefully inbound traffic on the freeway will be a bit less which will benefit me.

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Shoudln't be any toll for it anyway already paid for it why twice?

Has anyone really been far as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

WTF^ ?

what going f*** on this in thread

why don't they learn from others mistakes and not set ridiculous toll charges from the get go
c***s put the gateway tolls up to try and force people through the new tunnel, all it seems to have done is increased congestion through the city

they put the tolls up to make it look like a nice investment for buyers.

Has anyone really been far as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

Grammer gone what my mothers bike?

Shoudln't be any toll for it anyway already paid for it why twice?

I've never seen any stats on Public to Private funding for the Tunnel. Is it something they havent released or is my Google-Fu weak?
I was under the impression that the lions share of the cost for the road was footed by the RiverCity group. They would also be incharge of maint costs if i'm not mistaken.

rubba-chikin;

RiverCity Motorway has left the door open to continuing the discounts beyond May 10, when it was expected to begin charging the full tolls: $4.28 for cars, $2.14 for motorbikes, $6.42 for light commercial vehicles and $11.33 for heavy commercial vehicles.

People like to get things for free.
If you do 9 trips make the 10th free.

I was reading somewhere that Australia has the highest tolls per Km in the world.

http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2010/04/14/1225853/785747-story-bridge-traffic.jpg

lol, awesome tunnel guys!

Old mans shares have been going to s*** since the day it opened.

Went to uber s*** when they stopped the free tolling and the numbers dropped to a level where they're actually losing money.

Went to uber s*** when they stopped the free tolling and the numbers dropped to a level where they're actually losing money.

Wasnt this pretty much expected though?

$4.50 is just too much for a toll that they expect people to pay for a daily commute. Thats like $45 a week if people use it every day to and from work, thats over $2000 a year. Alot more than people would pay for insurance, more than the cost of fuel, more than rego.

I think about $2.50 is the highst people would deal with.

I reckon that new bridge they are building from west end over to the ICB is going to fail even more, its a toll to cross a bridge and I thinks its going to be over $3.

Went to uber s*** when they stopped the free tolling and the numbers dropped to a level where they're actually losing money.

Gee, who could of predicted that?
Oh, wait. Everyone.

I think they're screwed, lowering the price of the toll might increase the amount of people but ultimately they needed the same amount of people going through when it was free (assuming new + free = max amount that will ever go through in the near future) but paying the $4.30 to turn the profit they wanted.

paying the $4.30 to turn the profit they wanted.

Thats the whole problem with this kinda thing, people shouldnt be making money from the roads we drive on.

Im not sure if its possible but the government should have funded it all and run the tolling. Then it should be run with the minimum toll to pay it off in 30-50 years.

I reckon $2.50 is also max it should be. You'd probably save a litre of fuel avoiding all the stop start traffic so it really isn't too bad then. I wouldn't think twice to use it at $2.50.

I couldn't believe that new Go Between Bridge is going to be tolled, that's just dumb.

Trying to fix traffic problems by charging commuters stupid tolls ain't going to work.

meh within a few weeks people will start to realise that a loss of $4.50 is better than sitting in traffic for 30mins.

didnt people whinge and bitch about the gateway? now look at how many people use it.

didnt people whinge and bitch about the gateway? now look at how many people use it.

Ya well it's going up to $3.85 in july so you can expect less people to use it. They paid that thing off years ago yet the prices are still going up.

yeah lol that gateway bridge is going up by like $1 in price over the next year

forget that, that's insanely blatant revenue raising. more blatant than speed cameras

Im not sure if its possible but the government should have funded it all and run the tolling. Then it should be run with the minimum toll to pay it off in 30-50 years.

The council built it though (along with some private company), I don't think they'd have the money to build it outright.

I hope the tolls fail so maybe they'll re-evaluate tolling everything / letting private companies do it. The Hale St Bridge one is the biggest joke, I hope it never gets used.

if it pisses you off just do what I do, don't use it

The Hale St Bridge one is the biggest joke, I hope it never gets used

ill use it when the riverside is f***ed.

Ya well it's going up to $3.85 in july so you can expect less people to use it. They paid that thing off years ago yet the prices are still going up.

they put the price up because they want to sell it.

And how does that relate to my point of saying that less people will use it because of the price hike?

Man that strawman is strong with that one.

i was explaining why they put the prices up ya mong.

anyway i dont think the price increase is going to have too much of an affect on traffic. the other options people have to get over that way are even worse than the gateway imo.

I'm not really interested in why they put the price up. They can try and justify it until they turn blue and purple. It's the motorists that always get the raw deal at the end. I for one won't be using it when the price goes up, only if a really have to.

anyway i dont think the price increase is going to have too much of an affect effect on traffic

Fixed FYI.