I woulda rather just f***ing accelerated and steered

Exactly, thats the problem with auto only drivers.

that's not a problem at all though
you're clinging to an emotional ideal

That's unsurprising 3dee - you want a car to just work amirite?!

Well.. yeah.

But more accurately, I CBF. Auto is like using "wizard" software or having your own roadie (which I wish I did).

This whole "Oh you have to drive manual because its "hip" and "cool" and your dumb if you cant." thing is f***ing stupid.

last edited by 3dee at 15:09:03 04/Jul/09

Yeah that's right 3dee

nearly all the drag cars are autos, cos they can't afford the downtime of a manual.

Well I don't know about hip or cool, that's a new one on me. I just think its stupid not to possess what is a really basic life skill.

Changing a vehicle's gears manually using a clutch pedal and a gear stick in the modern age of computers and automation is a basic life skill? So you can't have life without manual automotive gearbox operational knowledge?

I seem to get by absolutely fine without the skill of driving a manual.

needing to drive a manual is a phase that has come and gone. the fact is that the vast majority of the cars on the road are automatic, and you'll spend 99% of your driving time driving your own vehicle anyway, of which most people who are going to buy a modern car are going to buy an auto anyway.
I like manuals. They're fun. Manuals have their place. Driving a manual is personal choice, and it's not stupid. But thinking that someone is somehow retarded for choosing not to learn how to drive one in this day and age is a stupid thought.

ITT people on moral high-horses cause they can operate a shift stick

2 years of sitting in peak hour traffic on the Bruce/Gympie Road/Kelvin Grove Road/ICB/Gateway in a manual (V8 heavy clutch at that) made me realise how awesome it is now to have an auto.

Changing a vehicle's gears manually using a clutch pedal and a gear stick in the modern age of computers and automation is a basic life skill?

Yep.

haha this has turned into a car thread.

you can easily spot the car nuts from the normal joes.

So did you get for your manual license Zak?

:P

nah you're being a dill hoggles

I don't have a manual license either

I can drive a manual car no worries tho.. I drove one to work almost every day for a year (had learners and I was driving someone MOST of the time). I had to drive thru peak hour city traffic most of the time and it sucked balls; I'll never buy a manual car.

Yeah but dont u feel like a girl when u have to say "I only have an auto licence i cant drive your car"

I love autos 2, both my car were auto's for ages, cause when u do lots of driving an auto with cruise control is awesome.

But seriously auto licence=gay

Yeah but dont u feel like a girl when u have to say "I only have an auto licence i cant drive your car"

Nah, it's come up like once in the last 10 years (...and I drove it anyway, for like 5 minutes but I still felt super guilty and paranoid the wholllllleeee time and hopefully won't ever do it again).

maybe if you have a little cock and are worried about being mistaken for a girl or something? I dunno it's your story

personally, I'm pretty comfortable being a bloke without needing to show my driver's license

thats it kiddies
do it because you have to conform

So did you get for your manual license Zak? :P

Not yet. Need to find out whether a) I'm going to get to use the car first, and b) How best to get it down here from Hervey Bay.

nah you're being a dill hoggles

Well, not really Jimbo.

In true QGL tradition I'm overstating my point, but I really do think that everyone should know how to drive a manual icar. I don't personally give a s*** what people choose and think that declarations one way or the other are a bit silly.

There's no reason not to learn and every reason to have this simple skill.

autos are fine for spastics and women

anyone who isnt in the above two categories that doesnt drive a manual should have a long hard look at themselves

s***ty gridlock/peak hour is the only legit excuse.

Besides what Spook already covered.

another couple of micropenif clinging to a stick to compensate - ironically only for themselves

driving a manual is hard for some people jimmy, i dont think less of you for not trying*


*yes i do

Bah Jim!

My first Sigma didn't have first gear or a handbrake.

Epic hill starts, these auto noobs couldn't pull that s*** off.

Autos are a god send for parents and those who deal with rush hour traffic

Hahaha ashamed to have an auto license? Jesus christ sad f***s. Never learnt manual cause couldnt afford it (no one i knew had a manual car so didnt see the point). Dont see any motivation to get it now other than internet heros saying its cool, and u'd have to be a f***en little dickless bitch to care about that kinda s***.

:D
been driving manuals for 20 years, that's why I know it aint no thang unless you're mentally pre-pubescent

I mean... if the almight trogdor has an auto license, it must be alright though, yeah? Hello?

Just means you're a bum Jim.

Lazy bum.

100% correct!

I mean... if the almight trogdor has an auto license, it must be alright though, yeah? Hello?

trogs is pretty crap at a lot of things

driving and cars are at the top of the list of things he is crap at

hahaha

FYI most cars in europe are manual (nothing beats a sweeping generalisation :p)

Auto's seem to be the 'non standard' however back home manual seem to be the 'non standard'. Almost all cars I've been in (including taxi's!!!) are manual, I am talking 95%+

Auto's are awesome for being lazy.

Manual's 'back in the day' were handier for more 'control' i.e. downgear to help with breaking etc etc however most modern cars have good brakes and abs and all that new shyte no need to downgear etc.

I still think it's kinda important to know how to drive a manual, but it's hardly a life or death issue... I would have thought most people would want to learn in case they are in a position of having to drive one at some stage...

I personally don't see why having to focus on changing gears makes driving any easier so I don't drive them.

After a short period of time if you still have to focus on changing gears in a manual, you shouldn't be driving.

After a short period of time if you still have to focus on changing gears in a manual, you shouldn't be driving.

Never got that far lol.

Everyone to their own.

Personally I drive a bit of both and I find I become really lazy (notice the "i" not a generalisation about "everyone") and less aware of the road conditions etc when driving the auto but there are many factors which could include the difference in cars (auto hybrid honda civic vs manual straight cut dccd wrx) etc.

I prefer driving the manual but I guess only really cause I grew up driving them on the property.

yeah clubby i can see a couple of factors a little bit greater than transmission when it comes to those two rides that might affect sleepiness or not

Cruise Control ftmfw. Who needs to even accelerate when you can just steer ^_^

the minority of auto drivers who are just so clueless that they can barely drive an auto are the ones who give auto drivers a bad wrap
these are the same people who would lose a hand if they were mulching trees and the machine didn't have a "warning: dont put your hand in here" sign

True but I still think that having to change gears etc keeps me more ummm "awake" if you want to put it that way.

Keeps my mind on the job more cause I am doing stuff rather than just sitting and steering.

Nothing wrong with driving auto's.

No reason to get an auto only license unless you're

A. noob
B. lazy
C. have a vagina
D. 3dee (all of the above)

Not being able to drive an auto well means you probably deserve the Darwin award.

I don't find that driving an auto makes me a lazy driver in that sense or an 'unalert' driver. I suppose it gives me more time to focus on my surroundings and whatnot, but then again, driving an auto makes driving pretty relaxed and easy, which is what I want driving to be. Even if manual driving was second nature to me, I still wouldn't want to do it in traffic.

But then again, driving is a subjective experience. Some find it easy, some find it fun, some find it a chore and some find it difficult.

last edited by 3dee at 09:40:17 06/Jul/09

Peak hour traffic is the only thing I hate about driving a manual

Yeah I dont think its the act of driving a manual that makes you a better driver, its the fact that if you tried to learn a manual and it was too hard so you just got an auto only licence, then you probably lack skill in other driving areas, like being able to do multiple things at once etc.

Yeah I dont think its the act of driving a manual that makes you a better driver, its the fact that if you tried to learn a manual and it was too hard so you just got an auto only licence, then you probably lack skill in other driving areas, like being able to do multiple things at once etc.

that's such an obnoxious needlessly offensive attitude it just makes me think people that get manual licenses must all be losers with amazing superiority complexes, now

Again I think there are way more factors than the transmission or how good a driver you are in a particular style of vehicle.

Try driving a 3 plate button clutch in traffic :) but then again cruising through the hills from personal experience we have found the auto's to chew the fuel quicker.

It is close minded to say one is better than the other cause it is situational. I guess the main advantage to getting a manual licence is you are not limiting yourself to what you can drive -eg- friends cars if you have to etc and they are manual even if you don't want one.

Well the thing is... With an auto I can do (if not legally) all kinds of other s*** like changing CDs, loading up maps on my phone, reading email, holding macca's coke and stuff. I do it in the safest possible way (which still doesn't make it legal), but its still win.

Its like having a dual core with one core doing jack all.

last edited by 3dee at 10:10:17 06/Jul/09

I took my test in an auto. I never even considered a manual. I'd never been in a manual car, or seen one, or know anything about them. They don't ask you at the place 'would you like a manual test?', they don't give you any pamphlet explaining what manual is. Nobody ever made that suggestion to me. I didn't even think about whether my car was auto or manual because the only kind of car I know is an auto.

Luckily the lady who prints the licence for you also does not ask "was the test manual/auto" because they gave me a licence that does not specify 'automatic' or anything like that. So I assume if I ever find a car from the 1930s without automatic I will be able to drive it.

Conversely at the toll booths they don't explain that 'manual' and 'automatic' does not refer to what kind of car you have. That is really f***ing confusing, as I pull up to the 'automatic' one with a note and they have a problem with that - but I do drive an automatic. Perhaps they should choose more appropriate terminology.

lol ^

if having a manual licence makes you a better person than having an automatic licence then i must be super-awesome-o with my manual car, motorcycle & light rigid licenses! :P & then other people with medium & heavy rigid, heavy combination & multi-combination licenses must be the BEST PPL EVA!@#! AMIRITE!?!? :P~~

Yeah I dont think its the act of driving a manual that makes you a better driver, its the fact that if you tried to learn a manual and it was too hard so you just got an auto only licence, then you probably lack skill in other driving areas, like being able to do multiple things at once etc.

Pretty much.

It's not the fact that you're driving an auto or want to drive an auto that makes you a noob... its the auto license.

It's either.

A. Manual was too hard
= you fail, get off the road
B. You're just lazy
= s***ty attitude, get off the road

Everyone should get a manual license, regardless of what type of car you're going to drive.

apparently so demon. by having a heavy articulated it makes you the most skilled person in the whole entire universe.

oh and you're 100% ignorant chub. for most people there's no point in being certified in a skill that they most likely will never need to use.

last edited by Mr Hardware at 10:23:14 06/Jul/09

for most people there's no point in being certified in a skill that they most likely will never need to use.

Should tell that to uni's, they specialise in certifying people for crap they will never use.

Conversely at the toll booths they don't explain that 'manual' and 'automatic' does not refer to what kind of car you have.

I understand if you haven't ever been exposed to these that this would be confusing but I still lol'd. Now I have that stupid tune from the ad stuck in my head.

last edited by Clubby at 10:32:58 06/Jul/09

yeh it's odd... generally the truckies i know aren't scintillating personalities... but they have the phat licences!! HOW CAN THIS BE?!?!? surely they should be able to flawlessly perform 17 complex functions whilst rubbing thier tummies n patting thier heads, proving beyond any doubt thier state government approved awesomeness!?!? ;p

heh, licences. :D

that's such an obnoxious needlessly offensive attitude it just makes me think people that get manual licenses must all be losers with amazing superiority complexes, now

Realy?, that was the least offensive way I could have said that. I still think its true though. If u just didnt even bother to try and get a manual licence then thats kinda different, you probably could drive a manual, its realy not that hard, but if u tried and tried and couldnt do it then in my opinion, chances are you are probably a bad driver, even in an auto.

So I assume if I ever find a car from the 1930s without automatic I will be able to drive it.

There realy are alot of manuals still around these days. Auto 4 cylinder cars are the worst thing ever, gutless pieces of crap, i'd never even consider getting a 4 cylinder auto.

Also, if I didnt have an manual licence I wouldnt have my current job, or wouldnt have gotten the company car, cause they are all manuals.

i'm hoping that post of thermite's is a troll or something

he wonders why i call him a deads***

Auto 4 cylinder cars are the worst thing ever, gutless pieces of crap, i'd never even consider getting a 4 cylinder auto.

You haven't driven a a modern 4-cyl with a 5- or 6-speed manual have you.

. by having a heavy articulated it makes you the most skilled person in the whole entire universe.

More than Darth Vader?

oh and you're 100% ignorant chub. for most people there's no point in being certified in a skill that they most likely will never need to use.

I did a games programming degree then got over gaming. Go figure...

now you work for apple

Aren't you a drummer 3dee?

Perhaps this whole auto business makes sense :D

I work for Telstra and program tools and macros (go figure).

Yes I'm a drummer. don't know how that really makes any difference _/(0_0)\_

I hate studying and due dates. In other words, I hate stress and chore-like tasks. Eh, everyone's different.

steer with knees

change gears with the left

sausage roll/drink with the right

while drifting

I like your style, maxe

when I can play drums better than danny carey, I'll happily start mocking drummers

Are you a drummer jim?

nah but I have played them occasionally

If anything you expect drummers (im a drummer too) to be able to learn a manual pretty easy, its foot and hand co-ordination that drummers would already do pretty well.

1st sensible thing viper has said all thread

If anything you expect drummers (im a drummer too) to be able to learn a manual pretty easy, its foot and hand co-ordination that drummers would already do pretty well.

dude
seriously
stop talking up driving a manual car like it's something that's actually hard to do

steer with knees
change gears with the left
sausage roll/drink with the right
while drifting

Hehehe reminded me of the Mr Bean skit where he is on his way to the dentist (was going to youtube link but am being lazy).

That being said, drumming doesn't automatically qualify someone as liking or easily picking up coordination of manual gears.

Like I said, I know how to work a manual gearbox (though I never got good at it), but I just didn't like it. I tend to like things to be easy and enjoyable regardless of whether I know how to execute a task, and driving auto is no exception. Its just... easy to drive an auto. There's no effort or chore-ness involved (such as heavy traffic).

I don't really care if that makes me lazy or whatever, because its my choice as a free-thinking human with my own personality to not bother with having the ability to use a manual gearbox. Its not a skill I've ever required. Drumming is not a skill I require, but it makes life easy and interesting and fun, so I pursue it.

I'm sure after two or three months of solid driving, I'd be fairly good at it, but I honestly have no reason to bother at this point since I rarely ever drive anyone else's car and don't have the desire to use a manual.

last edited by 3dee at 11:41:54 06/Jul/09

It's funny in all the posts I've seen paveway make he never has anything constructive to say about the topic, just picks a random insulting word, uses it incorrectly, and makes no supporting argument relevant to his opinion or the discussion at hand. What is the point.

IMO its always a good idea to be able to have the option of driving a manual if you're required to.

Hypothetical: You go somewhere with a mate who drives a manual car, they get injured and you have to drive them to hospital. If you never learnt they are s*** out of luck or are going to have to deal with you kangaroo hopping the car down the road.

Oh but I'll just call an ambulance, still gonna take time for it to get there. If it was life or death that time may count.

Happened to me, out riding BMX with a mate, smashed my collarbone apart and he drove me to the hospital in my manual car, no problems cause he learnt to drive a manual.


That said I own an auto car. Why? Because manual cars f***ing suck in traffic.
My "fun" vehicles - motorcycles are manual, if I had a "fun" car it would also be manual.

last edited by rubba-chikin at 11:47:33 06/Jul/09

stop talking up driving a manual car like it's something that's actually hard to do

I didnt think I was?, I think I even said it was pretty easy.

Eh. Essentially its just a personal choice. Some people are really dumb drivers and can't even drive an auto properly, some don't like manual and just drive auto, some like manual but prefer auto, some like manual and some hate autos with a passion (as seen on this forum).

Its called free-will. I for one, have not at all been hindered by my choice to just go auto. Manual's pretty much don't apply to anything I do and so lacking that skill doesn't mean anything to me.

If you can't drive a manual you should be killed

Driving an automatic is fine, but the co-ordination required to drive a manual car is seriously f***ing low and if you can't achieve that I definitely think you are wasting oxygen

IMO :)

Its harder to use a qwerty

Driving an automatic is fine, but the co-ordination required to drive a manual car is seriously f***ing low and if you can't achieve that I definitely think you are wasting oxygen

I don't f***ing care if its easy. I don't need or want to drive a manual. So I'm not gonna waste time learning.

This thread derailed pretty quick ey.

does anyone know how many points you start off with on an open qld licence?

you dont have points to, you accrue them afaik.
accrue to many in a 12month period and then u get it taken off you/suspended.

http://www.transport.qld.gov.au/Home/Licensing/Driver_licence/Licence_demerit_points/

&

http://www.transport.qld.gov.au/Home/Licensing/Driver_licence/Licence_demerit_points/Open_licence/


last edited by 3x0dus at 17:44:13 06/Jul/09

last edited by 3x0dus at 17:45:27 06/Jul/09

0, you're allowed to accumulate 12 before they will take your license off you

yeah, cause i,m applying for a job that involves driving and theres a question:
Demerit Points Remaining?

so if i have never lost any points, i can say 12?

Yeah

Well, in the end my GF broke up with me over the weekend, so it's actually become a redundant enquiry. Thank you for the help anyways, and glad I was able to start such an active thread.

Was it cos you couldn't drive a manual? Haha buuuuuuuuuurnnnnnnnnnn.

HAHA

By active thread, you mean internet flame war?

haha what a happy ending.
zak you need to get a manual license and f*** her best friend pronto.

yes
dw 3dee, i think i'm the only one in this thread who's seen all sides of the story, ie had an auto only licence then a manual licence, and owned both manual and automatic cars.

and i will guarantee that manuals are hugely overrated and if you choose not to drive them you ain't missing out on too much.

still depends what you're doing with it
you dont buy an auto if you plan to drift it or race it on the weekends or track days @ QR etc

some people actually like changing gears, its far less boring than an auto

I might have access to a manual car for the next few months

haha you didn't plan to go out with her very long did you?

yeah, and what tequila said is exactly right too. By and large i enjoyed my time with a manual. That being said i don't think i'll buy a manual again - certainly not for my main car.

I seem to have an ever revolving door of what car i have as my second car - i'm onto my third different one in 6 months. I wonder what i'll get next....

i have a gay spanish friend who drives a manuel !!!!

har har har

jesus that sucks Zak, assume she is still over in London?

last edited by HeardY at 21:07:02 06/Jul/09

Yeah still there. Part of the reason for it I guess - still not sure when she wants to come home, whats she wants to do, etc. 6 years together, so you never know what might happen if/when she comes back.

Enjoy the cricket you bastard!

Manual 4 lyfe!