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if i had an xbox, that would be cool.

(but consoles are gay)

Which one should i get??
PS2?? Xbox?? GC??
i was gonna get GC cus well..its NINTENDO!!
but 'eaps of ppl are gettin x boxes (hehehe BOX!) so i dont wanna be stuck with the dreamcast of the new gen of consoles..HELP!?

Buy all 3 if you can't make you your own mind...

Fireblood - If you buy the Xbox you will be stuck with the N64 of this generation.

Is anyone else wondering what rcsgsgsiugisdgfkjgawer does for a living?

He seems a tad r-a-b-i-d in his anti-fanboydom.

Gobo - I'm a uni student.

Ahh cool, just making sure that your blanket generalisations were founded on mere ignorance as opposed to some sinister hidden agenda.

Gobo - It's neither actually. Xbox has the least developer support, which would make it more likely to fail than the GameCube or Playstation 2.

sif....id be happy to buy the GC if it was like the n64...a few awesome games...but if the xbox had a MILLION awesome games then id go for that..but ive heard the game developers have gone off ps2 and gone to GC...havent heard much bout x box

Fireblood - The GameCube is going to be more like the SNES than the N64.

ya think?? s*** i thought it was gobnna be awesome!! aint they bringing out one with broadband modem to connect to other gc's??

Yes, they plan to release both a 56K modem and a broadband adapter for the GameCube, but it's up to the developers to decide whether you can link them or not.

rcsgd you never cease to amaze me with your comments.

Developers do not like XBox?? ok, how many launch titles were there?? how many did PS2 have at launch??.

If there was little interest as you suggest, why would Nvidia have wanted a finger in the pie? why would Microsoft have gone ahead with it? why would 2 WELL estabelished companies go into something that was doomed to fail??. Maybe they just didnt do there homework right?, maybe they should have asked your opinion (your oh so knowledgable opinion) on things first and saved themselves the trouble. I think not.

I try so hard to stay out of it and not comment when you post about your passion for the XBox, but you are so factually incorrect with so many things that you say that you make it really really difficult.

Lets see, XBox had many launch titles compared to PS2 and I know lots of people who have jumped on the XBox bandwagon since release day. And when you continualy post about how crap it is and you bag it out at any opportunity, it really does look like sour grapes, you look like a little kid in a candy store who has had his wrist slapped and been told NO. In fact you know what, im gonna terminate my post there and let you live in your ignorance, for ignorance they say is bliss.

Leave him be, he'll have his hands on a Gamecube soon and then he'll retreat into his own little fantasy world of make believe where Mario is king and rules with an iron mushroom.

I can just picture rcsgd sitting on his bed, stroking his Gamecube and mumbling "My preccccioussssss".

HAHAHA, Thanks for the mental image Khel :).

Blade Hunter, stop living in the present, back in the good old days you were meant to like one console and the rest of them SUCKED MUCH HEINOUS ASS.

Actually, I'm pretty interested to hear about the GC's online plans, I thought nintendo didnt give a rats ass about online stuff.

things change

Hehehe yeah Gobo fair enough.

PC's All The Way

Asif Kaygen's opinion counts for anything, it changes more often than the time of day.

Xbox Wilts in March Video Game Sales Figures

bit old, but still seems like the ps2 is stomping on the xbox, and to a lesser extent the gamecube

i could really give a damn about online s*** for consoles, id always use the pc for that. But X-Box is going to have the Buffy game .... mmmmmmmmmm virtual buffy. god im sad.

You can tailor any stats to mean anything, for example, Halo was the quickest console game to ever reach 1 million sales but overall what does that mean?? absolutely bugger all as does the stats reported on the page linked above, Xbox caqn be slated as good or bad but until its been in the market for 6 months to a year we really can't make any assumptions good or bad.

Personaly I love mine, and don't regret the expenditure, I now have 15 games for it and there are maybe 3 out of all those thast I dont enjoy.

If I had a PS2 it would probably be similar interest levels, but there is no way I would own a game cube, Nintendo never impressed me, even in the old days, I was more into Sega ie SMS and Mega Drive, I never saw something on a nintendo and thought "Wow!!" but on the sega consoles I did and on XBox I see it every time I power it on.

Blade Hunter - Why is it whenever I raise the issue of developer support you automatically respond with "Xbox had more launch titles than PS2"? It's completely irrelevant and a blatantly obvious indication that you're avoiding the subject because I have a point.

Also, it's hardly sour grapes, I could quite easily go out and buy a Xbox right now IF I wanted to.

Nice to see you still spouting that "Halo was the first to sell 1 million" BS.

get the one that has/will have more games you want than the others.

Buying a console based on who made it is quite stupid.

rcsgd, irrelavant?? so your saying all launch titles were made by 1 developer?? f*** me they muct have been busy.

Why would I avoid an issue when the issue you try to raise is complete and utter bollocks??

Nintendo did to us with the 64 what George Lucas did with Episode 1. However I can forgive George Lucas, but Nintendo had better have a ton of awesome, maturish games on gamecube or they'll forever go down as s*** in my books

15? there are 15 good games on the xbox worth paying for?

what 15 are they?

Blade Hunter - No, I'm saying it's a poor measure of developer support, because there were more developers supporting Sony than there were launch titles for the PS2.

The issue isn't bollocks, Xbox seriously lacks developer support. Konami, Square, Enix, Namco, and Capcom aren't ditching the PS2 for the Xbox are they? No, they're supporting the PS2 and GameCube.

why not just buy all 3 instead of argueing for the next century or so with each new console release.

Blade Hunter, shut the f*** up. On any other messageboard, you would be regarded as a troll. Luckily for you, the QGL Forum mods look after this forum like a dead two dollar hooker.

Regardless, I'll reply this once.

Developers do not like XBox?? ok, how many launch titles were there?? how many did PS2 have at launch??.

Remind me again which AAA console developers are in development with xbox-only games?

What's that? You can count them on one hand? Sega does not developer support make.

At launch, there was one (Halo), maybe two (Gotham Racing) good titles. Since then, the only AAA console developer to put individual title weight behind the xbox was Sega. Everyone else (Namco, EA, Activision, Capcom, Konami, etc) either went for a all-platform or PS2/GC focused state.

If there was little interest as you suggest, why would Nvidia have wanted a finger in the pie?

Because the hardcore PC market is incredibly tiny. Even if the xbox flops at 5mil consoles sold, NVidia comes out on top having sold 5mil more chips than had they focused on the kind of people who post here.

why would 2 WELL estabelished companies go into something that was doomed to fail??.

Because they didn't have hindsight, prehaps? That's like saying:

Why did Sega and NEC go into something that was doomed to fail? (Dreamcast)

Why did people invest in Compass when it was doomed to fail?

Why did Hitler invade Poland when he was going to be overrun by the allies, and doomed to fail?

If everyone knew what was going to fail, then the world would be perfect and no-one will ever make a mistake.

you are so factually incorrect

Pot. Kettle. Black.

And when you continualy post about how crap it is and you bag it out at any opportunity, it really does look like sour grapes, you look like a little kid in a candy store who has had his wrist slapped and been told NO.

Yes, we're saying it's bad not because of lack of AAA developer interest, but because we can't afford more than one console.

Oh wait, that doesn't work for those of us (like me) who have access to both consoles. My mistake.

Blade Hunter, you look worse than rcsgd. At least he attempts to provide a balanced argument, instead of your loose arguments and slanderous comments.

rcsgd, irrelavant?? so your saying all launch titles were made by 1 developer??

Unique developers at launch.

xbox launch: Microsoft, Bungie, Bizzare Creations, Oddworld Inhabitants, TDK, Tecmo.

GC launch: Nintendo EAD & NST, Sega, Neversoft, Factor 5

PS2 launch: EA, Namco, Konami.

What's your point? Are you seriously comparing Tecmo to Namco? TDK to Neversoft? Bungie to Sega? Can you not see the distinct lack of AAA support?

This doesn't count the unique titles announced afterwards, of which xbox has...er...none.

In summary, you're the most blatant troll ever known to man. Give it up. Stop acting all high and mighty and come to grips with what you admitted in the last xbox thread, that you "don't know everything about consoles, just my opinions".

Man, sometimes I really wish I had mod status on these boards...

Rcsgd we are going to have to agree to disagree, my main point here was that every time there is a post about XBox, your all over it about how crap it is, we ALL know your opinion by now, you don't need to drive it home any more. I can't stand Nintendo, but do you see me all over the GameCube posts from people who are genuinely excited about it?? no, I have no need to do that, ultimately haveing 3 new gen consoles breeds competition which will only benefit the gamer.

Blade

Also, someone broke Mozilla support again.

my main point here was that every time there is a post about XBox, your all over it about how crap it is, we ALL know your opinion by now, you don't need to drive it home any more.

And you don't either. If you had ignored him, this whole flame war wouldn't have happened.

Personally, I think rcsgd could have worded his response a bit better, but really Fireblood shouldn't have asked which console is better in an xbox thread.

f*** it, I need to get back to work. Both of you are as bad as each other, and you both need to stop being such evangelists.

testing mozilla support

is your computer turned on spray?

Just because XBox doesn't have a swag of exclusive games doesn't mean it sucks. Most of nintendo's "exclusive" games are games I wouldn't want to play. The only exclusive games on GC that interest me are the Resident Evil ones. I'll be buying an XBox once I have the $$ spare, because honestly, who wouldn't at that price. Contary to what everyone seems to believe, I can't see XBox going quietly into the night and Microsoft just giving up.

Whos to say Microsoft dont announce a whole s***load of mega uber titles at E3 that nobody knows about yet?

SprayNWipe, I was wondering how long it would take you to jump all over me. I think the fact that some people have agreed with my comments are proof enough that im no troll, Yes I did indeed say im not a definative word on XBox and I believe I also said im sick and tired of you people bagging out XBox, if you want to do that then make a new thread called XBox suxks and people like me will stay out, why come into a thread talking about how good XBox is and start dissing it??. Tell me the difference between that and going into a gay bar to start spouting slanderous crap about homosexuals, ok granted its a different level of stupidity but never the less, there both stupid.

I will say to you what I say to Rcsgd so often, if you dont like it FINE, but WHY continualy post bulls*** in threads promoting XBox?? now who looks like the troll.

Why have my posts not been deleted?? because the only people who get upset at them are people like you, fortunately your not the majority of the populace.

Your attempts to put me down fall upon deaf ears, you are completely bereft of any fact about me or my opinions.

My posts on this topic while heavy in nature have been on topic and in response to other posts, im so curious as to how this constitutes a troll in your mind.

Now if you have nothing further to say about me (Which being that you dont know me I would make a fair assumption at that) then this conversation is over.

Have a good day

Khel yes I agree, I have never liked Nintendo games, and im impressed with the XBox titles so far, Amped is great, PGR is great, Rally sport challenge is great and of course, HALO is awseome.

Oh and I cant forget the ultimate party game, Fusion Frenzy :)

xbox fanboy...scary concept

Blade Hunter, shut the f*** up. On any other messageboard, you would be regarded as a troll. Luckily for you, the QGL Forum mods look after this forum like a dead two dollar hooker.

Haha "Hi Mr Kettle, Pot here, you sure are one black sonofabitch!"

I wish I had moderator status too, so I could nuke any over the top, personally abusive posts by people who reduce every argument into a subjectively oriented bitchfest.

consoles are dumb, ahahah roofle

I know what you are trog, but what are consoles?

Halo was the quickest console game to ever reach 1 million sales but overall what does that mean??

For starters, nothing, because it wasn't.

Microsoft I'm sure were referring to some other technical aspect, like maybe fastest launch title to reach a million, or something. I find it hard to believe HALO sold quicker then MGS2, GT3, pick a Final Fantasy etc..

someone, quick. flame me.

Cailean - Add the Dragon Quest games to that list of fast selling titles. They can't release them on week days in Japan because people will skip work/uni/school to get a copy.

hehee they really like their consoles over there

Sigh....here we go again...

ve been on topic and in response to other posts, im so curious as to how this constitutes a troll in your mind.

C'mon, you've been blatantly trolling rcsgd. You could have just left him be, or even asked one of the mods to nuke his posts, but instead you cast the line out and started spouting pro-MS sentiment to a GameCube supporter.

WHY continualy post bulls*** in threads promoting XBox??

Que? I wouldn't have entered this thread if it hadn't been for your inaccurate posts. If this post had been filled with Xbox Live, TH3 on xbox, E3 lineup, or any other pro-xbox stuff, I probably wouldn't have entered. Instead, you chose to troll a Nintendo fanboy in an xbox thread with inaccurate facts.

I completely agree with you that rcsgd stepped over the line. I disagree with your posts, which for the most part are inaccurate when dealing with factual information.

Next time, just get someone to nuke his posts.

why come into a thread talking about how good XBox is and start dissing it??

I didn't. I came into this thread, in which you were having a flame war with rgscd, to add balance to your fanboy statements.

I know, lets play a little game. It's called "How to promote the console you like without lying or personal bias".

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The Wrong Way: Please look at Blade Hunter's posts for an example of this. Uses personal bias, believes his personal opinion is law, doesn't use real world information.

An example?

Oh and I cant forget the ultimate party game, Fusion Frenzy :)

At face value, it's a personal bias, which is useless in an argument. However, lets deconstruct this.

Fusion Frenzy is the perfect example of how not to do a Party Game. For a start, there is no metagame - which is half of a party game right there. Imagine Mario Party without a board!

Ignoring the fact that this automatically disqualifies it as the "best party game ever", since it's just a collection of minigames, the minigames themselves are poorly designed. The screen real estate is spent on showing the background, not the playing field, thereby making the characters extremely tiny and gameplay difficult. Some minigames, like the Glitter Catching game, rely on 3D co-ordination on a 2D surface (screen), which is hard without things like shadows.

On top of that, the final "game" serves to reinforce who is already in the lead, not allow a weaker player to get the upper hand.

These reasons are just scratching the surface of why it's a bad game, without any personal opinion. If Blade Hunter had played any other party game, he would have realised this, however, he decided to say that his xbox game was the best without comparing it to any other potentially better games. That's blind support, which is also considered fanboyism.

"But how do we respond correctly", I hear you ask.

The Right Way. The right way to respond is typified by Khel. Khel has a slight bent for the xbox, however he doesn't let that spill out into blind fanboyism, but instead uses good points in his arguments. Lets take a look:

Whos to say Microsoft dont announce a whole s***load of mega uber titles at E3 that nobody knows about yet?

This is completely correct. If MS have a boatload of ubertitles at E3, then the xbox is in with a good chance in the battle for second place. This is something we have to wait and see for.

Just because XBox doesn't have a swag of exclusive games doesn't mean it sucks

While correct, it doesn't mean that more people are going to buy an xbox over another system that also has those non-exclusive titles.

Note - since he replied nicely, I responded nicely. Khel obviously wants to have a rational discussion about this, so I'm glad to respond.

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I wish I had moderator status too, so I could nuke any over the top, personally abusive posts by people who reduce every argument into a subjectively oriented bitchfest.

I agree, I probably was a bit over the top. However, that's just because in the last month or so, whenever we've tried to have a decent console conversation here, BH has always butted in with his fanboyism and completely derailed any kind of useful posting by spreading his fanboyism everywhere.

I didn't want to reduce this argument into a personal attack, but the frustration of writing the same post over and over and over again to reply to BH's same posts which he ignores and just responds with personal attacks just pushed me over the edge this time.

Don't worry, I won't be posting around here anymore, since it seems I can't talk rationally about anything here with people like BH around.

Well, im not going to quote you because that was just way too long to bother with, but I will attempt to reply to those points where I feel a reply is due, please note this will exclude 30% of your post instantly as it was..... "a personal attack"

1) Once again, I ask you to define a troll, I merely respond to people in the same manner they post, if someone is nice, im nice, Evidently you have a history of posting on these forums as do I, so I will give you the benefit of the doubt that "maybe" you know Rcsgd in real life or have known him online for some time and he is a swell bloke, but if he is gonna start s***ting on the XBox, you want me to sit here and say "oh please don't say that" NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. if you want to go off at me fine, but make sure your points are valid, read my entire history of posts if you choose, you will see ALL my agression is only ever retaliation, NEVER do I look for a fight, if it comes my way, I stand up for myself, Simple.

2) I am glad you agree with me about rcsgd BUT, how does that constitute you coming in here and bitching at me?. please point out the spot to me where I said im factualy correct or unbiased, you seem to dwell on this fact like it should surprise me that you have some inner knowledge into my character, ok here we go, you ready?? "I LOVE XBOX AND IM UBER HAPPY WITH MY PURCHASE OF ONE, AS FAR AS IM CONCERNED, THE SUN SHINES OUT OF ITS ASS" Sorry for the caps but you get the idea that its like im standing in the middle of a crowded street and professing it to the millions.

OK, You want to play announcer do you?? (Forgive me for not inserting a line like you did, but my html is not particularly good)

Begin generic newspaper typography:

Headline: Blade Hunter, spurned by society for his opinion

body: In what can only be described as a monumental move by society, Blade Hunter has been put down by society, while he never proffesed to being knowledgeable of anything he posted and did in many instances explain that it was personal opinion, he surely should have known that the community expects him to keep quiet when people start dissing a product that he supports.

Closing: Maybe next time Blade will think before having an opinion, what does he think this is, a public forum??

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SprayNWipe, you have dragged me down to a stupid level now and succesfuly made us both look like complete idiots, while you may be happy with that and call it a result, I personaly am not.

Sp here is what we are going to do now, if you see anything I post that you dont like, your going to ignore it, you will not post in response to me any more unless you have something that you think I might "want" to read. And I in return will ignore Rcsgd, why im even bothering to compomise with you is beyond me, maybe im just in a good mood, and finally:

I agree, I probably was a bit over the top. However, that's just because in the last month or so, whenever we've tried to have a decent console conversation here, BH has always butted in with his fanboyism and completely derailed any kind of useful posting by spreading his fanboyism everywhere.

Please point me to a non XBox thread where I have spouted about XBox, hell you guys even got carried away about gamecube in one of the gamecube threads, but I purposely left it alone, if you want to try and tarnish whatever image people have of me, try to do it honestly.

For the replies to your questions, please see the post above.

Adios, QGL Forum dwellers!

Looks like someone's packed up his bat and (super monkey) ball and gone home.