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Topic: Question about QLD drivers licenses
Zak
Posts: 1983
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
People

I have held an open driver's license for 6 or 7 years. However, when I did my test, I only went for an automatic license rather than the full manual/automatic as the cars my family owned were all automatics, which meant cheaper/quicker way to get it.

I might have access to a manual car for the next few months, and wanted to know whether I need to do anything to be able to drive it legally? The actual driving of it isn't a problem, as I can do that. But I can't seem to find anything on the QLD Transport website about it.

I have heard in other states that once you hold an automatic license for several years, you just get bumped it to it after a while. Not sure if that is the same here or not? Does anyone know? Anyone work for QT who can shed some light on it for me?
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épic™
Posts: 2231
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=qld+upgrade+automatic+licence

How do I get my licence changed to drive a manual vehicle?

To change your licence to allow you to drive a manual vehicle you will need to:

* book a practical driving test for that class of vehicle
* pay the test fee
* pass a practical driving test.

Once you have done this your licence will be upgraded to show you can legally drive a manual vehicle.
Spook
Posts: 25515
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
yuo are fail for only getting an auto license
Zak
Posts: 1984
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Thanks Epic - as I said, had a good trawl through their site but couldn't find it.

Spook - irrelevant as always.

/thread
Kat
Posts: 10999
Location:
I have heard in other states that once you hold an automatic license for several years, you just get bumped it to it after a while. Not sure if that is the same here or not? Does anyone know? Anyone work for QT who can shed some light on it for me?

What a stupid thing to do. Most people drive an auto because they can't drive a manual and you don't learn to drive a manual by driving an auto.
Zak
Posts: 1986
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Yeah does seem strange. Oh well, guess I'll have to pay for the upgrade. I just bought a new 5 year license too, unlucky me.
HeardY
Gaelic newb
Posts: 16223
Location: Ireland
Pretty sure NSW have the automatic upgrade thingo...

Though I was a skilled driver and got mine on a manual car so it doesn't impact me :p

last edited by HeardY at 20:41:30 03/Jul/09
whoop
Posts: 14163
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
My bro got busted driving a manual on an auto license. sux2bhim.

edit:
Though I was a skilled driver and got mine on a manual car so it doesn't impact me :p

Skilled eh? If NSW testers are anything like QLD even unskilled drivers get them. I nailed it through a set of orange traffic lights during my test, I still passed.

last edited by whoop at 21:26:41 03/Jul/09
Damo
Posts: 3845
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I don't see how driving an automatic car for a number of years gives you the skills to drive a manual..
Mr Hardware
Posts: 5176
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Well take it from someone who's done it before

Zak i was in the same situation as you, only ever had automatics in the family (i didn't know what a manual was until i was about 9) and it was easier and cheaper and quicker to get an auto licence, so I did.
12 months later i saw fit to buy a manual car, so i went and did the test again. Was a piece of piss as i already had a year's real experience. Basically i hopped in the car, the QT guy said got your learners there (this was 5+ years ago so i still looked young) and i said its an auto licence actually, and he said 'oh, rightio, umm, ok, well, where do you want to go?' so i just cruised around all the back streets i knew and a few main roads and we were back at the test centre 12 mins later with not a single x on the test. Went in, they printed me a new licence at no charge.
Self taught on the manual too, but that's another story.
Oh and i think the fine for having an auto licence in a manual is (was) like $30 or something ridiculous cos it falls under the category of 'a learner not being accompanied' or some poop.
Oh and all you people who say 'err you're stupid to not get a manual licence what happens if one day you really need to drive one' well it's the same as a truck or motorbike, if i really friggin need to i'll do it anyway licenced or not. Oh and my mum has had an auto licence only for 30+ years and has never had to drive a manual, ever.
Mantorok
Posts: 3549
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Should people learn how to drive or just learn how to pass a test? Getting an automatic license when you're physically capable of changing gears falls under the latter for me. If it's too much effort to learn, driving isn't for you.
Mr Hardware
Posts: 5177
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
learning on your parents car is a s***load cheaper than a driving school
3dee
Posts: 3875
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
If it's too much effort to learn, driving isn't for you.

No, changing gears manually using a clutch and stuff isn't. Driving auto is piss easy, which is why a bunch of people just say "f*** gears im getting an auto license".

Even though I know how to drive a manual, i kinda suck at it and just did the above, "f*** this im getting an auto license".

I have nothing against manuals, I personally just cannot be bothered having to change gears myself constantly. I'd rather just point and accelerate. Call me lazy or a newb if you want. They didnt invent autos for no reason...

/waits-for-"your a driving newb"-flaming...
Mr Hardware
Posts: 5178
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
yeah, i owned a manual car for years, you get pretty good pretty quickly
but i don't think i'll own a manual again, effort++, not for all the city/traffic/peak hour driving i do, seriously, what a joke
Zak
Posts: 1991
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Cheers MrHardware. And yeah, same situation as you - I couldn't afford to keep getting manual driving tests, so just did the auto one cheaply. I've only ever owned one car, and it was an auto, so have never had the need for a manual license.
greazy
Posts: 1241
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
how does changing gears = competent driver?
Mantorok
Posts: 3550
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
how does changing gears = competent driver?
It's more the attitude of "It's too hard to pass the manual license test, I'll get an auto license instead".
3dee
Posts: 3876
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
In this day and age its more a matter of "why should I have to change gears when a car can do it for me and has been able to do it for me for 50 years?".
FraktuRe
Posts: 1005
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland
why do they even make manual's anymore?
3dee
Posts: 3877
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Being able to change gears doesn't make you better at driving a car on the road, it just means you can change gears manually while driving, big deal, its just something extra you can do.

I personally don't see why having to focus on changing gears makes driving any easier so I don't drive them.
Damo
Posts: 3847
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
frakture, because manual is better?

try driving a v8 supercar or any racing car with an automatic transmission..
3dee
Posts: 3878
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Hahah. Plant it and wait for the auto to realise... Then you get the Waaaayyiioooooo ooo while it goes back to a higher gear.
FraktuRe
Posts: 1007
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland
Well yeah, you're going to race in a manual, but you're not racing in the streets are you?
3dee
Posts: 3879
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Fast and Furious isn't real?
Tollaz0r!
Posts: 9729
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I find that manuals have better control.
`ViPER`
Posts: 1274
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
yeah if u cant drive a manual "cause its too hard/too much effort" then u cant drive, its that simple. Its not that you need to know how to drive a manual its that u get more of an understanding of how the car feels.

Auto drivers seem to only be able to think of go/stop direction.

I blame the emo/metrosexual thing, man up, drive a manual fags.
straw hat hippie
Posts: 219
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
^^ Couldnt afford manual lessons because family only owned auto cars and i was a student. Go f*** yourself.
whoop
Posts: 14165
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I prefer an auto in stop/start traffic, the constant 1st to 2nd shift and back again every 2 seconds pisses me off (I usually drive a stick).

*shakes fist @ peak hour traffic jams*
3dee
Posts: 3883
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
yeah if u cant drive a manual "cause its too hard/too much effort" then u cant drive, its that simple. Its not that you need to know how to drive a manual its that u get more of an understanding of how the car feels.

LOLWUT.

Changing gears says NOTHING about ability to drive a car and drive it well. A car should change its own gears. Its the car's responsibility to manage how it gains speed. You should just tell it how fast (accelerator).

People who want to change manually can get a manual, otherwise, I don't see any reason why people "have to" be able to change gears to be a good driver.

Manual merely gives you more control of the gears. For most drivers, theres absolutely no need to have complete control over which gear the engine is using.

last edited by 3dee at 23:44:48 03/Jul/09
sLiNky
Posts: 1120
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Skilled eh? If NSW testers are anything like QLD even unskilled drivers get them. I nailed it through a set of orange traffic lights during my test, I still passed.



That's crap! I failed my first test because I was speeding! All I was going was merging with traffic and had to plant the foot in the little mirage.


That been said I prefer to drive a manual. I don't drive much in peak hour traffic so that really isn't an issue for me. I just like to have that little bit more control over the car. When it changes gears, the choice to slap it back two gears, I dunno, just prefer it over auto's.

I also do have 2 auto's here at home and it's not like I don't like driving them. Great cars to drive but they get boring to drive.
Jim
Posts: 9894
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
frakture, because manual is better?

try driving a v8 supercar or any racing car with an automatic transmission..
automatic transmissions were banned in formula one, you're only allowed semi-automatic

an automatic or semi-automatic designed for the type of driving you're claiming a manual is better for, will typically s*** all over a human+manual - especially a pleb driver who doesn't actually race professionally
Skitza
Posts: 8791
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
It should be illegal to get an auto only license. You should have to get your manual then you can drive an auto if you want to. If you can't get your manual license then you shoudln't be driving at all, no questions.
Jim
Posts: 9895
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
it's not logical to state that it should be illegal to get an auto only license, because it shouldn't be illegal as there's no rational reason for it to be. this is most likely why it isn't illegal.

saying that if you can't get a manual license then you shouldn't be driving at all is equally illogical because the rational conclusion is that if you can't get your manual license, you shouldn't be driving a manual - but it's fine for you to drive an auto, because you have an auto license.
Skitza
Posts: 8792
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
^ I was generalising. What I meant is that you should have to get your manual license without being able to go for your auto in the first place. If you want to drive an auto after you pass your manual, then go for it. If you cannot get your manual license, you should not be allowed to drive until you pass the manual test. Auto licenses are for the weak and it would weed out a lot of s*** drivers. The other reason being in an emergency if you need to drive a manual you can, 1) legally, 2) you'll know how to. The Auto license only option is there for thr s***kunts who cannot drive and subsequently, shouldn't be allowed on the road imo.
CSIRAC
Posts: 1679
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
On a totally different note: QLD is the only state that asks what skin complexion you are when you go to apply/renew your license. (according to my NSW friends who found it funny when I told them about it)
Jim
Posts: 9896
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
but it's not logical to state that you should have to get your manual license without being able to go for your auto in the first place, or that if you cannot get your manual license, you should not be allowed to drive until you pass the manual test.
or even that auto licenses are for the weak, or that your irrational position would weed out a lot of s*** drivers.

nor is it logical to attempt to support your position with the idea that some kind of emergency where you need to drive a manual but can't because it's illegal, would actually be an issue that warrants more than token consideration before being tossed aside as being almost as inconsequential as the idea that we should all learn how to fly a helicopter in case there's an emergency and can 1) legally fly one, 2) know how to
Vorador
Posts: 1350
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Reading QGL at late night while on holidays was a bad idea on the basis of this thread so I feel like I need to contribute something as equally as retarded as this argument

http://i39.tinypic.com/140ak40.jpg


GLORIOUS NIPPON TEREBI
Martz
Posts: 2198
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
learning on your parents car is a s***load cheaper than a driving school


if you're parents know how to drive to the book.
infi
Posts: 12757
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
only poor people drive manuals.

edit: actually my BMW is 6 speed steptronic so I can chuck it into manual whenever but sif you would really.

last edited by infi at 09:31:32 04/Jul/09
euphoria
Posts: 1282
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland
The gateway motorway at rush hour convinced me to get an automatic. Never looked back. Sure, occasionally I miss the ability to chuck it into second or third and hoon around a corner, but for the most part automatic gearboxes rule. I had to drive my brother's car (which is a manual) a while ago and what a mission! It's the 21st century and I was being asked to tell the car which gear to use? SIF

Manual: left hand required for gear selection.

Auto: left hand free to hold my morning coffee - illegally, sure, but better than steering with my knees while holding coffee and changing gears! See? Progress! Safety! And caffeine. Mmm, caffeine...

/heads off to the kettle
Martz
Posts: 2199
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
edit: actually my BMW is 6 speed steptronic so I can chuck it into manual whenever but sif you would really.


it's not manual.. do you have to press a clutch?
Jim
Posts: 9897
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
you might as well have gotten a merc if you're not gonna really drive it infi :)
Tiny
Posts: 1471
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
why do they even make manual's anymore?


So all the revhead d*******s can do fully sick drags cause everyone knows a manual beats an auto....TOSSERS.
tequila
Posts: 2626
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Oh and all you people who say 'err you're stupid to not get a manual licence what happens if one day you really need to drive one' well it's the same as a truck or motorbike


uh actually, its nothing like that
you're more likely going to have to drive someone else home in their own /manual/ car than their truck or on their motorbike
infi
Posts: 12761
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
f*** mercs, i want style.

clutching is too much effort.
shad
Posts: 2693
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I prefer manuals because they are usually cheaper and I can roll start them. I don't do much driving in traffic so its never been an issue. I want an auto diesel for my next car tho.
Jim
Posts: 9898
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
uh actually, its nothing like that
you're more likely going to have to drive someone else home in their own /manual/ car than their truck or on their motorbike
and likewise, you're far more likely to just be driving around your own auto than you are to have to drive someone else's manual
infi
Posts: 12762
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
or clutch starting
crazymorton
Posts: 778
Location: Gladstone, Queensland
autos are obviously better cause you can more easily use your mobile and Ipod while driving without worrying about changing gears
tequila
Posts: 2627
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I just use voice control for the phone/ipod

I bought a manual because autos are craptastic when 4x4ing
Hogfather
Posts: 3066
Location: Cairns, Queensland
Haha otherwise healthy and normal people who don't have manual licenses are f***ing hilarious. Seriously there's no excuse, its a life fail.
thermite
Posts: 1955
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
What if you don't have access to a manual car?
Kat
Posts: 11001
Location:
otherwise healthy and normal people who don't have manual licenses are f***ing hilarious. Seriously there's no excuse, its a life fail.

Yeah, it is pretty lame and embarrassing.
Hogfather
Posts: 3068
Location: Cairns, Queensland
That's no excuse unless you have nobody in your network of good friends and family who has a manual car - which either means you have very few people close to you, or your peeps all suck too.

Seriously, lets look at some life skills / achievements of varying difficulty:

  • Riding a pushy
  • Attaining a Drivr License
  • Swimming
  • Using a computer
  • Completing Year 10
  • Completing Year 12
  • Trade certification, degree
  • Playing a musical instrument
  • Learning a second language
  • Forklift ticket etc.
  • Boat license

    So where does being able to drive a manual car fit in you reckon? It would in my mind be one of the simplest and easiest skills to attain, requiring only access to a very common commodity and time / effort. Its more difficult to learn to swim. You require better balance and co-ordination to ride a bicycle.

    I'd be ashamed to admit I couldn't do something as simple as operate a manual car, its only one step away from not being able to drive at all. I don't agree you should have to learn it (nobody should have to learn to ride a bike either) but its just such a basic skill!
  • Minxy
    Posts: 1149
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    Changing gears was the easiest thing for me when I started driving, so I've never really understood why some people find it so difficult - knew a girl at uni who'd been trying to get her manual license for about 5 years and was still bunny hopping :S I've never driven an auto though, so I can't say I don't like driving them. I like changing gears so I'll probably always stick to manuals. I don't think there's anything wrong with driving an auto, but even if I was only ever going to drive autos, I would still have gotten my manual license anyway.
    `ViPER`
    Posts: 1276
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    Right on Hogfather, its not that knowing how to drive a manual makes you a better driver, its the fact that if you cant think about driving a manual while doing the other things required to drive, then your overall driving skill is probably pretty low.
    Jim
    Posts: 9899
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    autos aren't craptastic at all for 4wding, in a lot of situations they are better than a manual. even in comp trucks a lot of the guys are using autos now
    3x0dus
    Posts: 1189
    Location: Townsville, Queensland
    just have a decent transmission cooler so the auto dosnt overheat and have you stuck somewhere you don't want to be stuck.

    the new 4wd autos with the Hold button for the current gear are pretty caw.

    (i still prefer manual)

    last edited by 3x0dus at 13:48:58 04/Jul/09
    Jim
    Posts: 9900
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    yeh mine's a manual but I know a lot of blokes with autos who do just fine, and in some situations better than those with manuals

    in fact until I installed 85% reduction gears a couple of years ago I would've been better off with an auto, I burnt out the factory clutch at 20,000k's and the replacement at 38,000 because of the type of terrain and the weight of the vehicle vs it's engine. blokes with the same vehicle in auto don't have the same issue
    3dee
    Posts: 3884
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    Honestly, I never really took the time to learn manual. I had a few lessons in manual after practising in autos for 6 or so months, knew how to drive manual, but I just hated it. I woulda rather just f***ing accelerated and steered, so I went straight and got an auto license and have never even touched a manual since.

    I'm sure I'd be able to drive one (though prolly pretty rough) in a situation as knowing how is not my problem, its just that I hate manual gear changing and never bothered to get good at it.
    `ViPER`
    Posts: 1277
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    I woulda rather just f***ing accelerated and steered


    Exactly, thats the problem with auto only drivers.
    Jim
    Posts: 9901
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    that's not a problem at all though
    you're clinging to an emotional ideal
    Hogfather
    Posts: 3071
    Location: Cairns, Queensland
    That's unsurprising 3dee - you want a car to just work amirite?!
    3dee
    Posts: 3885
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    Well.. yeah.

    But more accurately, I CBF. Auto is like using "wizard" software or having your own roadie (which I wish I did).

    This whole "Oh you have to drive manual because its "hip" and "cool" and your dumb if you cant." thing is f***ing stupid.

    last edited by 3dee at 15:09:03 04/Jul/09
    Mr Hardware
    Posts: 5180
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    Yeah that's right 3dee

    nearly all the drag cars are autos, cos they can't afford the downtime of a manual.
    Hogfather
    Posts: 3072
    Location: Cairns, Queensland
    Well I don't know about hip or cool, that's a new one on me. I just think its stupid not to possess what is a really basic life skill.
    3dee
    Posts: 3891
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    Changing a vehicle's gears manually using a clutch pedal and a gear stick in the modern age of computers and automation is a basic life skill? So you can't have life without manual automotive gearbox operational knowledge?

    I seem to get by absolutely fine without the skill of driving a manual.
    Mr Hardware
    Posts: 5181
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    needing to drive a manual is a phase that has come and gone. the fact is that the vast majority of the cars on the road are automatic, and you'll spend 99% of your driving time driving your own vehicle anyway, of which most people who are going to buy a modern car are going to buy an auto anyway.
    I like manuals. They're fun. Manuals have their place. Driving a manual is personal choice, and it's not stupid. But thinking that someone is somehow retarded for choosing not to learn how to drive one in this day and age is a stupid thought.
    Thundercracker
    Posts: 2004
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    ITT people on moral high-horses cause they can operate a shift stick
    TicMan
    Posts: 4842
    Location: Melbourne, Victoria
    2 years of sitting in peak hour traffic on the Bruce/Gympie Road/Kelvin Grove Road/ICB/Gateway in a manual (V8 heavy clutch at that) made me realise how awesome it is now to have an auto.
    Hogfather
    Posts: 3073
    Location: Cairns, Queensland
    Changing a vehicle's gears manually using a clutch pedal and a gear stick in the modern age of computers and automation is a basic life skill?

    Yep.
    greazy
    Posts: 1245
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    haha this has turned into a car thread.

    you can easily spot the car nuts from the normal joes.
    3dee
    Posts: 3892
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    So did you get for your manual license Zak?

    :P
    Jim
    Posts: 9902
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    nah you're being a dill hoggles
    trog
    AGN Admin
    Posts: 27385
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland

    I don't have a manual license either

    I can drive a manual car no worries tho.. I drove one to work almost every day for a year (had learners and I was driving someone MOST of the time). I had to drive thru peak hour city traffic most of the time and it sucked balls; I'll never buy a manual car.
    `ViPER`
    Posts: 1278
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    Yeah but dont u feel like a girl when u have to say "I only have an auto licence i cant drive your car"

    I love autos 2, both my car were auto's for ages, cause when u do lots of driving an auto with cruise control is awesome.

    But seriously auto licence=gay
    trog
    AGN Admin
    Posts: 27386
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland

    Yeah but dont u feel like a girl when u have to say "I only have an auto licence i cant drive your car"
    Nah, it's come up like once in the last 10 years (...and I drove it anyway, for like 5 minutes but I still felt super guilty and paranoid the wholllllleeee time and hopefully won't ever do it again).
    Jim
    Posts: 9903
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    maybe if you have a little cock and are worried about being mistaken for a girl or something? I dunno it's your story

    personally, I'm pretty comfortable being a bloke without needing to show my driver's license
    Mr Hardware
    Posts: 5182
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    thats it kiddies
    do it because you have to conform
    Zak
    Posts: 1993
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    So did you get for your manual license Zak? :P


    Not yet. Need to find out whether a) I'm going to get to use the car first, and b) How best to get it down here from Hervey Bay.
    Hogfather
    Posts: 3074
    Location: Cairns, Queensland
    nah you're being a dill hoggles

    Well, not really Jimbo.

    In true QGL tradition I'm overstating my point, but I really do think that everyone should know how to drive a manual icar. I don't personally give a s*** what people choose and think that declarations one way or the other are a bit silly.

    There's no reason not to learn and every reason to have this simple skill.
    Spook
    Posts: 25518
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    autos are fine for spastics and women

    anyone who isnt in the above two categories that doesnt drive a manual should have a long hard look at themselves
    CHUB
    Posts: 5336
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    s***ty gridlock/peak hour is the only legit excuse.

    Besides what Spook already covered.
    Jim
    Posts: 9904
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    another couple of micropenif clinging to a stick to compensate - ironically only for themselves
    Spook
    Posts: 25522
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    driving a manual is hard for some people jimmy, i dont think less of you for not trying*


    *yes i do
    CHUB
    Posts: 5337
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    Bah Jim!

    My first Sigma didn't have first gear or a handbrake.

    Epic hill starts, these auto noobs couldn't pull that s*** off.
    Kat
    Posts: 11005
    Location:
    Autos are a god send for parents and those who deal with rush hour traffic
    straw hat hippie
    Posts: 220
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    Hahaha ashamed to have an auto license? Jesus christ sad f***s. Never learnt manual cause couldnt afford it (no one i knew had a manual car so didnt see the point). Dont see any motivation to get it now other than internet heros saying its cool, and u'd have to be a f***en little dickless bitch to care about that kinda s***.
    Jim
    Posts: 9905
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    :D
    been driving manuals for 20 years, that's why I know it aint no thang unless you're mentally pre-pubescent
    3dee
    Posts: 3893
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    I mean... if the almight trogdor has an auto license, it must be alright though, yeah? Hello?
    CHUB
    Posts: 5338
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    Just means you're a bum Jim.

    Lazy bum.
    Jim
    Posts: 9906
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    100% correct!
    Spook
    Posts: 25523
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    I mean... if the almight trogdor has an auto license, it must be alright though, yeah? Hello?


    trogs is pretty crap at a lot of things

    driving and cars are at the top of the list of things he is crap at
    3dee
    Posts: 3895
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    hahaha
    HeardY
    Gaelic newb
    Posts: 16227
    Location: Ireland
    FYI most cars in europe are manual (nothing beats a sweeping generalisation :p)

    Auto's seem to be the 'non standard' however back home manual seem to be the 'non standard'. Almost all cars I've been in (including taxi's!!!) are manual, I am talking 95%+

    Auto's are awesome for being lazy.

    Manual's 'back in the day' were handier for more 'control' i.e. downgear to help with breaking etc etc however most modern cars have good brakes and abs and all that new shyte no need to downgear etc.

    I still think it's kinda important to know how to drive a manual, but it's hardly a life or death issue... I would have thought most people would want to learn in case they are in a position of having to drive one at some stage...
    step
    Posts: 1755
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    I personally don't see why having to focus on changing gears makes driving any easier so I don't drive them.
    After a short period of time if you still have to focus on changing gears in a manual, you shouldn't be driving.
    3dee
    Posts: 3899
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    After a short period of time if you still have to focus on changing gears in a manual, you shouldn't be driving.

    Never got that far lol.
    Clubby
    Posts: 156
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    Everyone to their own.

    Personally I drive a bit of both and I find I become really lazy (notice the "i" not a generalisation about "everyone") and less aware of the road conditions etc when driving the auto but there are many factors which could include the difference in cars (auto hybrid honda civic vs manual straight cut dccd wrx) etc.

    I prefer driving the manual but I guess only really cause I grew up driving them on the property.
    Mr Hardware
    Posts: 5185
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    yeah clubby i can see a couple of factors a little bit greater than transmission when it comes to those two rides that might affect sleepiness or not
    3dee
    Posts: 3904
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    Cruise Control ftmfw. Who needs to even accelerate when you can just steer ^_^
    tequila
    Posts: 2633
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    the minority of auto drivers who are just so clueless that they can barely drive an auto are the ones who give auto drivers a bad wrap
    these are the same people who would lose a hand if they were mulching trees and the machine didn't have a "warning: dont put your hand in here" sign
    Clubby
    Posts: 157
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    True but I still think that having to change gears etc keeps me more ummm "awake" if you want to put it that way.

    Keeps my mind on the job more cause I am doing stuff rather than just sitting and steering.
    CHUB
    Posts: 5342
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    Nothing wrong with driving auto's.

    No reason to get an auto only license unless you're

    A. noob
    B. lazy
    C. have a vagina
    D. 3dee (all of the above)
    3dee
    Posts: 3905
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    Not being able to drive an auto well means you probably deserve the Darwin award.

    I don't find that driving an auto makes me a lazy driver in that sense or an 'unalert' driver. I suppose it gives me more time to focus on my surroundings and whatnot, but then again, driving an auto makes driving pretty relaxed and easy, which is what I want driving to be. Even if manual driving was second nature to me, I still wouldn't want to do it in traffic.

    But then again, driving is a subjective experience. Some find it easy, some find it fun, some find it a chore and some find it difficult.

    last edited by 3dee at 09:40:17 06/Jul/09
    Minxy
    Posts: 1150
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    Peak hour traffic is the only thing I hate about driving a manual
    `ViPER`
    Posts: 1279
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    Yeah I dont think its the act of driving a manual that makes you a better driver, its the fact that if you tried to learn a manual and it was too hard so you just got an auto only licence, then you probably lack skill in other driving areas, like being able to do multiple things at once etc.
    trog
    AGN Admin
    Posts: 27389
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland

    Yeah I dont think its the act of driving a manual that makes you a better driver, its the fact that if you tried to learn a manual and it was too hard so you just got an auto only licence, then you probably lack skill in other driving areas, like being able to do multiple things at once etc.
    that's such an obnoxious needlessly offensive attitude it just makes me think people that get manual licenses must all be losers with amazing superiority complexes, now
    Clubby
    Posts: 159
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    Again I think there are way more factors than the transmission or how good a driver you are in a particular style of vehicle.

    Try driving a 3 plate button clutch in traffic :) but then again cruising through the hills from personal experience we have found the auto's to chew the fuel quicker.

    It is close minded to say one is better than the other cause it is situational. I guess the main advantage to getting a manual licence is you are not limiting yourself to what you can drive -eg- friends cars if you have to etc and they are manual even if you don't want one.
    3dee
    Posts: 3906
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    Well the thing is... With an auto I can do (if not legally) all kinds of other s*** like changing CDs, loading up maps on my phone, reading email, holding macca's coke and stuff. I do it in the safest possible way (which still doesn't make it legal), but its still win.

    Its like having a dual core with one core doing jack all.

    last edited by 3dee at 10:10:17 06/Jul/09
    thermite
    Posts: 1961
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    I took my test in an auto. I never even considered a manual. I'd never been in a manual car, or seen one, or know anything about them. They don't ask you at the place 'would you like a manual test?', they don't give you any pamphlet explaining what manual is. Nobody ever made that suggestion to me. I didn't even think about whether my car was auto or manual because the only kind of car I know is an auto.

    Luckily the lady who prints the licence for you also does not ask "was the test manual/auto" because they gave me a licence that does not specify 'automatic' or anything like that. So I assume if I ever find a car from the 1930s without automatic I will be able to drive it.

    Conversely at the toll booths they don't explain that 'manual' and 'automatic' does not refer to what kind of car you have. That is really f***ing confusing, as I pull up to the 'automatic' one with a note and they have a problem with that - but I do drive an automatic. Perhaps they should choose more appropriate terminology.

    paveway
    Posts: 10032
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    lol ^

    demon
    Posts: 4456
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    if having a manual licence makes you a better person than having an automatic licence then i must be super-awesome-o with my manual car, motorcycle & light rigid licenses! :P & then other people with medium & heavy rigid, heavy combination & multi-combination licenses must be the BEST PPL EVA!@#! AMIRITE!?!? :P~~
    CHUB
    Posts: 5343
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    Yeah I dont think its the act of driving a manual that makes you a better driver, its the fact that if you tried to learn a manual and it was too hard so you just got an auto only licence, then you probably lack skill in other driving areas, like being able to do multiple things at once etc.


    Pretty much.

    It's not the fact that you're driving an auto or want to drive an auto that makes you a noob... its the auto license.

    It's either.

    A. Manual was too hard
    = you fail, get off the road
    B. You're just lazy
    = s***ty attitude, get off the road

    Everyone should get a manual license, regardless of what type of car you're going to drive.
    Mr Hardware
    Posts: 5186
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    apparently so demon. by having a heavy articulated it makes you the most skilled person in the whole entire universe.

    oh and you're 100% ignorant chub. for most people there's no point in being certified in a skill that they most likely will never need to use.

    last edited by Mr Hardware at 10:23:14 06/Jul/09
    Clubby
    Posts: 160
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    for most people there's no point in being certified in a skill that they most likely will never need to use.


    Should tell that to uni's, they specialise in certifying people for crap they will never use.

    Conversely at the toll booths they don't explain that 'manual' and 'automatic' does not refer to what kind of car you have.


    I understand if you haven't ever been exposed to these that this would be confusing but I still lol'd. Now I have that stupid tune from the ad stuck in my head.

    last edited by Clubby at 10:32:58 06/Jul/09
    demon
    Posts: 4457
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    yeh it's odd... generally the truckies i know aren't scintillating personalities... but they have the phat licences!! HOW CAN THIS BE?!?!? surely they should be able to flawlessly perform 17 complex functions whilst rubbing thier tummies n patting thier heads, proving beyond any doubt thier state government approved awesomeness!?!? ;p

    heh, licences. :D
    `ViPER`
    Posts: 1280
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    that's such an obnoxious needlessly offensive attitude it just makes me think people that get manual licenses must all be losers with amazing superiority complexes, now


    Realy?, that was the least offensive way I could have said that. I still think its true though. If u just didnt even bother to try and get a manual licence then thats kinda different, you probably could drive a manual, its realy not that hard, but if u tried and tried and couldnt do it then in my opinion, chances are you are probably a bad driver, even in an auto.

    So I assume if I ever find a car from the 1930s without automatic I will be able to drive it.


    There realy are alot of manuals still around these days. Auto 4 cylinder cars are the worst thing ever, gutless pieces of crap, i'd never even consider getting a 4 cylinder auto.

    Also, if I didnt have an manual licence I wouldnt have my current job, or wouldnt have gotten the company car, cause they are all manuals.
    paveway
    Posts: 10033
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    i'm hoping that post of thermite's is a troll or something

    he wonders why i call him a deads***
    Mr Hardware
    Posts: 5187
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    Auto 4 cylinder cars are the worst thing ever, gutless pieces of crap, i'd never even consider getting a 4 cylinder auto.
    You haven't driven a a modern 4-cyl with a 5- or 6-speed manual have you.
    3dee
    Posts: 3907
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    . by having a heavy articulated it makes you the most skilled person in the whole entire universe.

    More than Darth Vader?

    oh and you're 100% ignorant chub. for most people there's no point in being certified in a skill that they most likely will never need to use.

    I did a games programming degree then got over gaming. Go figure...
    paveway
    Posts: 10034
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    now you work for apple
    CHUB
    Posts: 5344
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    Aren't you a drummer 3dee?

    Perhaps this whole auto business makes sense :D
    3dee
    Posts: 3909
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    I work for Telstra and program tools and macros (go figure).

    Yes I'm a drummer. don't know how that really makes any difference _/(0_0)\_

    I hate studying and due dates. In other words, I hate stress and chore-like tasks. Eh, everyone's different.
    maxe
    Posts: 13939
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    steer with knees

    change gears with the left

    sausage roll/drink with the right

    while drifting
    3dee
    Posts: 3910
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    I like your style, maxe
    Jim
    Posts: 9911
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    when I can play drums better than danny carey, I'll happily start mocking drummers
    3dee
    Posts: 3911
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    Are you a drummer jim?
    Jim
    Posts: 9912
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    nah but I have played them occasionally
    `ViPER`
    Posts: 1282
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    If anything you expect drummers (im a drummer too) to be able to learn a manual pretty easy, its foot and hand co-ordination that drummers would already do pretty well.
    Mr Hardware
    Posts: 5191
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    1st sensible thing viper has said all thread
    trog
    AGN Admin
    Posts: 27392
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland

    If anything you expect drummers (im a drummer too) to be able to learn a manual pretty easy, its foot and hand co-ordination that drummers would already do pretty well.
    dude
    seriously
    stop talking up driving a manual car like it's something that's actually hard to do
    Clubby
    Posts: 161
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    steer with knees
    change gears with the left
    sausage roll/drink with the right
    while drifting


    Hehehe reminded me of the Mr Bean skit where he is on his way to the dentist (was going to youtube link but am being lazy).
    3dee
    Posts: 3912
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    That being said, drumming doesn't automatically qualify someone as liking or easily picking up coordination of manual gears.

    Like I said, I know how to work a manual gearbox (though I never got good at it), but I just didn't like it. I tend to like things to be easy and enjoyable regardless of whether I know how to execute a task, and driving auto is no exception. Its just... easy to drive an auto. There's no effort or chore-ness involved (such as heavy traffic).

    I don't really care if that makes me lazy or whatever, because its my choice as a free-thinking human with my own personality to not bother with having the ability to use a manual gearbox. Its not a skill I've ever required. Drumming is not a skill I require, but it makes life easy and interesting and fun, so I pursue it.

    I'm sure after two or three months of solid driving, I'd be fairly good at it, but I honestly have no reason to bother at this point since I rarely ever drive anyone else's car and don't have the desire to use a manual.

    last edited by 3dee at 11:41:54 06/Jul/09
    CHUB
    Posts: 5346
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    thermite
    Posts: 1966
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    It's funny in all the posts I've seen paveway make he never has anything constructive to say about the topic, just picks a random insulting word, uses it incorrectly, and makes no supporting argument relevant to his opinion or the discussion at hand. What is the point.
    rubba-chikin
    Posts: 6405
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    IMO its always a good idea to be able to have the option of driving a manual if you're required to.

    Hypothetical: You go somewhere with a mate who drives a manual car, they get injured and you have to drive them to hospital. If you never learnt they are s*** out of luck or are going to have to deal with you kangaroo hopping the car down the road.

    Oh but I'll just call an ambulance, still gonna take time for it to get there. If it was life or death that time may count.

    Happened to me, out riding BMX with a mate, smashed my collarbone apart and he drove me to the hospital in my manual car, no problems cause he learnt to drive a manual.


    That said I own an auto car. Why? Because manual cars f***ing suck in traffic.
    My "fun" vehicles - motorcycles are manual, if I had a "fun" car it would also be manual.

    last edited by rubba-chikin at 11:47:33 06/Jul/09
    `ViPER`
    Posts: 1283
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    stop talking up driving a manual car like it's something that's actually hard to do


    I didnt think I was?, I think I even said it was pretty easy.
    3dee
    Posts: 3913
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    Eh. Essentially its just a personal choice. Some people are really dumb drivers and can't even drive an auto properly, some don't like manual and just drive auto, some like manual but prefer auto, some like manual and some hate autos with a passion (as seen on this forum).

    Its called free-will. I for one, have not at all been hindered by my choice to just go auto. Manual's pretty much don't apply to anything I do and so lacking that skill doesn't mean anything to me.
    jmr
    Posts: 6361
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    If you can't drive a manual you should be killed

    Driving an automatic is fine, but the co-ordination required to drive a manual car is seriously f***ing low and if you can't achieve that I definitely think you are wasting oxygen

    IMO :)
    Jimbo
    Posts: 162
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    Its harder to use a qwerty
    3dee
    Posts: 3914
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    Driving an automatic is fine, but the co-ordination required to drive a manual car is seriously f***ing low and if you can't achieve that I definitely think you are wasting oxygen

    I don't f***ing care if its easy. I don't need or want to drive a manual. So I'm not gonna waste time learning.
    FraktuRe
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    This thread derailed pretty quick ey.
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    louie
    Posts: 102
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    does anyone know how many points you start off with on an open qld licence?
    3x0dus
    Posts: 1190
    Location: Townsville, Queensland
    you dont have points to, you accrue them afaik.
    accrue to many in a 12month period and then u get it taken off you/suspended.

    http://www.transport.qld.gov.au/Home/Licensing/Driver_licence/Licence_demerit_points/

    &

    http://www.transport.qld.gov.au/Home/Licensing/Driver_licence/Licence_demerit_points/Open_licence/


    last edited by 3x0dus at 17:44:13 06/Jul/09

    last edited by 3x0dus at 17:45:27 06/Jul/09
    paveway
    Posts: 10039
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    0, you're allowed to accumulate 12 before they will take your license off you
    louie
    Posts: 104
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    yeah, cause i,m applying for a job that involves driving and theres a question:
    Demerit Points Remaining?

    so if i have never lost any points, i can say 12?
    Mr Hardware
    Posts: 5194
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    Yeah
    Zak
    Posts: 1995
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    Well, in the end my GF broke up with me over the weekend, so it's actually become a redundant enquiry. Thank you for the help anyways, and glad I was able to start such an active thread.
    re so
    I can't read
    Posts: 4804
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    Was it cos you couldn't drive a manual? Haha buuuuuuuuuurnnnnnnnnnn.
    paveway
    Posts: 10040
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    HAHA
    3dee
    Posts: 3919
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    By active thread, you mean internet flame war?
    reload!
    Posts: 4666
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    haha what a happy ending.
    zak you need to get a manual license and f*** her best friend pronto.
    Mr Hardware
    Posts: 5196
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    yes
    dw 3dee, i think i'm the only one in this thread who's seen all sides of the story, ie had an auto only licence then a manual licence, and owned both manual and automatic cars.

    and i will guarantee that manuals are hugely overrated and if you choose not to drive them you ain't missing out on too much.
    tequila
    Posts: 2645
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    still depends what you're doing with it
    you dont buy an auto if you plan to drift it or race it on the weekends or track days @ QR etc

    some people actually like changing gears, its far less boring than an auto
    thermite
    Posts: 1978
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    I might have access to a manual car for the next few months


    haha you didn't plan to go out with her very long did you?
    Mr Hardware
    Posts: 5197
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    yeah, and what tequila said is exactly right too. By and large i enjoyed my time with a manual. That being said i don't think i'll buy a manual again - certainly not for my main car.

    I seem to have an ever revolving door of what car i have as my second car - i'm onto my third different one in 6 months. I wonder what i'll get next....
    louie
    Posts: 105
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    i have a gay spanish friend who drives a manuel !!!!
    Mr Hardware
    Posts: 5198
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    har har har
    HeardY
    Gaelic newb
    Posts: 16235
    Location: Ireland
    jesus that sucks Zak, assume she is still over in London?

    last edited by HeardY at 21:07:02 06/Jul/09
    Zak
    Posts: 1996
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    Yeah still there. Part of the reason for it I guess - still not sure when she wants to come home, whats she wants to do, etc. 6 years together, so you never know what might happen if/when she comes back.

    Enjoy the cricket you bastard!
    Clubby
    Posts: 165
    Location: Brisbane, Queensland
    Manual 4 lyfe!
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