Interesting read:

http://hdguru.com/is-plasma-dead-samsung-panasonic-and-lg-answer/422/

Props to Gizmondo.com.au

I stopped reading after the 1st sentence because it is completely incorrect.

Pointing out that I didn't start this thread... but it appears to be factually correct... SORRY LCD FANBOYS

yer the wolfram style tvs are teh bestsest

Its not an objective article:

We continue to work with our retail partners to promote plasma. LG is a founding member of the Plasma Display Coalition, which is the voice of the plasma industry to promote its attributes as well as combat misinformation that arises, including some of the outrageous power consumption claims raised by some NGOs (Non Government Organizations-Ed.) and agencies

Its like asking Kevin Rudd if the stimulus package helped at all. You can only get one answer.

Dont get pussyhurt just cause you bought the wrong type of TV casa.

We continue to work with our retail partners to promote plasma. LG is a founding member of the Plasma Display Coalition, which is the voice of the plasma industry to promote its attributes as well as combat misinformation that arises, including some of the outrageous power consumption claims raised by some NGOs (Non Government Organizations-Ed.) and agencies

How is that not objective? Its true that people have made outrageous claims about the power consumption of plasma's... Most thing people are told about LCD or Plasma are wrong.

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How can it be objective at all?

You can't get the real story about gun control from Charlton Heston. You can't get an unbiased appraisal of the Government from infi. These guys have an obvious investment in plasma and an agenda to promote it.

It doesn't mean they are wrong it just means they are clearly not objective and that their statements need to be considered in context.

last edited by Hogfather at 13:06:50 15/May/09

plasma 4 lyfe

They also have an interest in LCD.

lols, plasma

They also have an interest in LCD

Yup, and no doubt they would write a nice story about how LCD is the coolio too. It doesn't follow that they would benefit from throwing away their investment in plasma technology.

They have a commercial interest in the continuing viability of plasma sets, see. They also have an organised agenda to promote the technology and extol its virtues.

You can't get an objective analysis of something from someone who is promoting it mongo :)

I declare LED a better tech than both of them, and will be adding one to my collection.

I've seen both plasma and LCD, I prefer PDP warmer PQ. It's a pity that most people buy LCD simply because of some silly myths.

Pioneer is only one of a few PDP makers, I mean how many of you actually bought Pioneer Kuro set - can't imagine many people. To conclude that the entire PDP panel is dead because of one player (not even one of the biggest ones in terms of unit shipped) is gone is just silly IMO. There are myriad of reasons why company stop producing certain products, Pioneer's TV whilst I'm sure are fantastic, they're really not helping themselves by pricing them only at the top 1% of people...

Also LCD tech is just as old as Plasma if not older.. so I don't know what this s*** about PDP being an "old" technologies myth come from.

you absolutely can, but you just shouldn't expect it

I'll agree that the sources for the article can't be objective... but the example you provided is pretty stupid. Its a statement of fact.

Also LCD tech is just as old as Plasma if not older.. so I don't know what this s*** about PDP being an "old" technologies myth come from.

Urr... as mentioned in the article, PDP's have only been made in the last 10 years (in full colour)

LCD's go back way further than that.

Urr... as mentioned in the article, PDP's have only been made in the last 10 years (in full colour)

LCD's go back way further than that.

Exactly my point...

+1 for LED, Plasma is crap

I'll agree that the sources for the article can't be objective... but the example you provided is pretty stupid. Its a statement of fact.

Might be my bad for quoting the whole paragraph. I was drawing attention to his stated agenda in the article to promote plasma tech. I wasn't saying anything about the power consumption - I have no idea about the truth of that!

I happen to have an LCD because it doubles as a monitor and needed the pixels at the time for good text etc. I consider most of the fights over the tech a bit silly to be honest. My eyes aren't really good enough to notice a lot of difference..



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plasma is the best cos it displays blacks better and therefore looks the best when it is turned off

What kind of moron wouldn't want a plasma. LCD?? Hahaha this isn't an 80s pocket watch, it's a TV.

Yeh but Game & Watch was awesome and LCD, so LCD TVs are cool!


http://www.gameandwatch.com/screen/multiscreen/donkey/images/donkey.jpg


f*** yeh, Good times!

hey guys, what happens if a plane trys to take off on a treadmill?

1,000 posts follow?

I've got both...hopefully I'll have an LED one soon too :p
I don't really see any difference between LED and Plasma to be honest. They're pretty close. I think LED looks sharper though.. But the viewing experience is pretty much the same IMO. Games on the Xbox do look better on LCD though IMO.

plasma is the best cos it displays blacks better and therefore looks the best when it is turned off

bahah! win. i can objectively state that my ancient 50cm crt tv looks worse than any plasma or lcd... i still watch it occasionally tho. :/

When you say LED, are you refering to an LCD with LED backlighting?

No, one single red led is far superior to plasmas.

haha Plasma and LCD. Losers. Have you heard of CRT?

haha Plasma and LCD. Losers. Have you heard of CRT?

I got one of those as well :)

LCD represent'n.

Blacker blacks on its own just don't cut it for me.

I prefer plasma especially on larger tv sizes.

LCD backlighting is where its at though.

we've got a 60" plasma and a 52" CRT

plasma POWNS it in every aspect

I would assume hes talking about samsungs new LED range, edge lit LED I believe as opposed to the back lit LED LCD's found in the series 9.

Saw one of these at HN, they look frigging awesome

oh linky

http://www.samsung.com/au/consumer/detail/detail.do?group=television&type=television&subtype=ledtv&model_cd=UA46B6000VFXXY

Yes i did mean the new series 6+ from Samsung. I work for JB Hi Fi and they are so thin its nuts. Thinner than a picture frame. Drool meter is at max.

can you get me a uber discount on one xaltd?

oh linky

http://www.samsung.com/au/consumer/detail/detail.do?group=television&type=television&subtype=ledtv&model_cd=UA46B6000VFXXY

For a 46"....$4,499 f***.Dat.s***.

Personally current generation Samsung Series 6 PDP is thin enough for me (~4"). I really don't understand this obsession with the thickness of the TV set... I mean it's not like you're looking at it from the sides.

As long as it's thin enough (s*** anything thinner than CRT gotta be great right) I doesn't bother me. Lower power consumption is great though, the newer set uses less power.

Thin is probably good if you're a neat freak and you're wall-mounting it. For those of us that have only recently transitioned from 40cm long CRTs, it's really not a big deal.

Can I just point this one out...

TH-P54Z1A - 1" Thin 54" Wireless FullHD PlasmaPanasonic's new flagship model. (this is thinner than the LED samsung LCD's).

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^^^ Yeah those Z1 looks nice but then again, not sure if I'm ready to part with my extra hard earned cash just so I could say "dooooooooode check out my TV it's like only .0000001 nanometers !!@@!"

Well, personally I couldn't care less about how thick my TV was either... but I just wanted to show that Plasma has quite a bit of room to play yet.

The wireless idea is awesome though, I'd be interested to know more about how that works.

The new Panasonics also have internet conectivity built in, consume ~ half as much power as the previous models, and can now completely switch off cells that aren't being used for absolute black.

The LED models are apparently 40% more energy efficient or something too

What happened to CRT?

Nowadays the only relatively cheap widescreen TV (HD or no) you can get is a dismally small LCD (i.e. like 20" for < 500). You need 24" or more for it be useful for a lounge setting.

We would like a largish widescreen TV (doesn't have to be HD at all, just needs to be decent for watching DVDs on), but nowadays nothing but LCDs and Plasmas exist which makes getting a cheap yet large TV impossible.

Any suggestions?

I agree with you 3dee, but I guess they've cornered the market into buying expensive TV's by just not selling cheap ones anymore.

What happened to CRT?

Nowadays the only relatively cheap widescreen TV (HD or no) you can get is a dismally small LCD (i.e. like 20" for < 500). You need 24" or more for it be useful for a lounge setting.

We would like a largish widescreen TV (doesn't have to be HD at all, just needs to be decent for watching DVDs on), but nowadays nothing but LCDs and Plasmas exist which makes getting a cheap yet large TV impossible.

Any suggestions?

Yeah you don't see too many widescreen CRT any more. I got one still, which is what the PDP replaces.. You might have to try eBay or just have keep looking...

I think the point was that they don't sell them new anymore (do they?)

You can't walk into the good guys and buy a $400 68cm CRT.

3dee. I've got one I'm looking to get rid off. Big 83cm widescreen JVC CRT. model# AV-32X4BA if you want to google it. PM if interested

I think I see some in Dick Smith / Tandy..

Yes they still sell CRTs everywhere. No surprise someone on QGL would just assert they don't without bothering to drive down to Kmart and have a look. CRTs are actually far superior in quality/longevity - and to the household electronics industry this is a very big problem, since they don't get many repeat customers for CRTs. If you buy Plasma/LCD then you'll be buying one every two years.

A lot of people mistakenly associate Plasma and LCD screens with widescreen, digital broadcasts, or HDTV... but these are all unrelated concepts that just happen to be in a lot of new TVs.


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CRTs are actually far superior in quality/longevity - and to the household electronics industry this is a very big problem, since they don't get many repeat customers for CRTs. If you buy Plasma/LCD then you'll be buying one every two years.

Urrrr... yeah.

Way to get cranky.


Plasmas (at least) last for several years. Mine is ~ 3 years old at the moment and going beautifully, my auntie and uncle have one that is ~ 5 years old and hasn't skipped a beat.

CRT's are an extremely mature technology... you would expect them to last longer than a fairly new tech like PDP. That being said, the last couple of CRT's I had were s***.

If you buy Plasma/LCD then you'll be buying one every two years.

You're doing it wrong.

Phillips has a tv i would have sex with.

21:9 ratio and ambilight. as posted in an earlier thread with the interactive walkthrough of the tv.

I want one, pity phillips is pulling out (or has already) of the Australian market.

LED tv's by samsung = more power efficient (although running an A/C unit for 1x day would run a plasma tv for a year, so Panasonic says).

Put the thin tv on a wall with a bunch of photo frames. It looks hot. its more gimmacky than anything ofcourse.

I'll stick to plasma, even tho my staff pricing @ JB is sweet as, LED is still too expensive.

Settle pettle (thermite). I'm sorry if I go to Wow and JB Hifi first....

I just bought a 52" Samsung Full HD LCD from Good Guys last week. I was looking for another plasma (to upgrade my older 42" Panasonic Viera) but they have been hard as hell to find. I have to say, I'm happy as a pg in s*** with my new TV. The colours are bright and so very clear. I got it over $1,000 off the ticket price as well.

Happy days :)

Edit: Model is LA52A650A. RRP = $4,999 got it for $3,048. V Happy

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If you buy Plasma/LCD then you'll be buying one every two years.

You're doing it wrong.

CRT's are an extremely mature technology... you would expect them to last longer than a fairly new tech like PDP. That being said, the last couple of CRT's I had were s***.

Yeah, CRT's have been around for what? 50 years? more? I dunno but lets see how long LCD's and Plasmas or whatever last when they've had 50 years to perfect the technology. s*** probably last till the world ends.

CRTs are actually far superior in quality/longevity

yes and no

Sure they last ages, but the quality ... most crts haven't had the same amount of R&D effort that other techs have had in recent years. And I personally haven't seen a readily available CRT that can compare to either a top end LCD or top end plasma in the large screen HD market.

But please prove me wrong.
Show me where I can a decent quality 42"+ CRT with 3 or more HDMI inputs, a vga input, at least 2 av inputs, a usb slot for my photos or camera and weighs under 100kg.

Oh and no rear projection cos in my opinion they look like blurry ass.

Nowadays the only relatively cheap widescreen TV (HD or no) you can get is a dismally small LCD (i.e. like 20" for < 500). You need 24" or more for it be useful for a lounge setting.

We would like a largish widescreen TV (doesn't have to be HD at all, just needs to be decent for watching DVDs on), but nowadays nothing but LCDs and Plasmas exist which makes getting a cheap yet large TV impossible.

Any suggestions?

Just buy an el-cheapo 720p 37" telly from Kmart or the like for $700. I got one for the bedroom about a year ago and it looks fine even with 720p movies playing. Never had an issue with it so far.

my dad bought one of those really big ass plasmas when they first came out.. i think he spent 10g.. as the delivery guys were bringing it through the door they dropped it.. and you could hear s*** smashing...

anyway they had to bring a new one and it looked s***.. a few years later it had bad burn in

lcd4life

All that I know about the situation is that I paid $800 for my 42" HD Plasma TV, purchased in store, new. Therefor, plasma is win.

Tallzor, what brand and where from?

2 1/2 years down on my Plasma, no burn in yet.

MYTH BUSTED

19" LCD monitor of mums,
HAS BURN IN.

has a permanent line along the top where Internet Explorer etc is, GOOD GAME/

your mum sux at using monitors

my dad bought one of those really big ass plasmas when they first came out.. i think he spent 10g.. as the delivery guys were bringing it through the door they dropped it.. and you could hear s*** smashing...

anyway they had to bring a new one and it looked s***.. a few years later it had bad burn in

lcd4life

Yeah using 10+ years old plasma a your primary basis for current generation tv purchase choice....right...

Ive got a 32" Widescreen Samsung CRT, its one of the slimmer models, its still Big and heavy but actually looks alot like an LCD from the front, and becuase it was going in corner, the depth made no difference. When I went out to buy it I was actually looking for a 32" LCD, but they all just had crap picture, I mean they looked awesome on certain things like kids cartoons and stuff like that, but normal tv or normal movies just looked like pixelated crap.

Im sure you could still find a 32" widescreen CRT if you you looked hard enough, I reckon they are still the best value for that size. A good 32" LCD is gonna cost you around $1000, whereas the crt should only be about $500.

LCD seems to look good when you have a realy high quality source, but shows up the imperfections realy bad when you dont have a high quality source. CRT seems to mask this.

And Ive got a 50" panasonic plasma cause PLASMA IS BETTER, LOSERS!! and i've got it hooked up to a media centre via HDMI and its looks awesome for that too.

32" ... These days that's a bedroom tv maybe. Not really in the HD entertainment space.

32" 1080p you'd have to sit about 4 foot from the screen to even get the full benefit of 1080p never mind anything extra from it being a crt.
source

ie. the smaller a pixel gets, the closer you have to get to even detect "extra" quality, because human eyes "resolution" is an angle. So make the angle to small ( increase the resolution,make the screen smaller or sit to far away) and you lose details, make the angle to big (decrease the resolution, make the screen bigger or sit closer) and you see the pixel.

imo 1080p ideal viewing distance is too close to the screen, 720 is actually more practical : /

720 is actually more practical

But its not full HD!!!!

CRTs are actually far superior in quality/longevity

are you saying that crts are far superior in quality over thier lifetime or that they are better in both quality & longevity? coz they are definietly not as good in picture quality as either plasma or lcd & what picture quality they have, deteriorates pretty fast. i used to think that dethon's 82cm crt tv was the best tv circa 2000 ... now it's terrible... blurry to the point of being illegible. the overall longevity of plasmas & lcds are unproven as yet imo.

32" ... These days that's a bedroom tv maybe. Not really in the HD entertainment space.

Yeah I know, but alot of people dont need/want "HD entertainment" they just want to watch tv and get a decent picture. Thats what I use my 32" crt for, its pretty much the kids tv, I watch the 50" plasma in the other room with the surround sound and media centre attached

imo 1080p ideal viewing distance is too close to the screen, 720 is actually more practical : /

Probably agree with you on that one. Free to air tv isnt 1080p though is it, its 1080i, which some people reckon isnt as good as 720p.

720p and 1080i have the same practical bandwidth ... ie. the same ammount of picture information.

ie. the smaller a pixel gets, the closer you have to get to even detect "extra" quality, because human eyes "resolution" is an angle. So make the angle to small ( increase the resolution,make the screen smaller or sit to far away) and you lose details, make the angle to big (decrease the resolution, make the screen bigger or sit closer) and you see the pixel.

I'm not disagreeing with you necessarily, but it also depends on the amount of information recorded in each pixel - right? If you imagine real life is "infinite" pixels, then go from an image on a TV of a face to the same face IRL that subtends the same visual angle, and you'll get better quality. That is, you've gone to "smaller pixels" and still get extra quality, without changing viewing distance. So if you could jack up your res to 10 000 x 10 000, you'd still get extra detail without moving closer, provided that each pixel represents it's relative real world information point.

Edited for readability.

last edited by BillyHardball at 12:07:59 18/May/09

Well the point you are missing is Billy there might be more information there but your eye has lost the ability to distinguish it.
ie. loss of detail.

Now whether a human eye does a better job of handling the loss of detail then say using a lower resolution image. That I don't know.
I can't tell the difference between a 720p/1080i/1080p anyway. Heck I find a really well upscaled DVD is hard to pick.

I can't tell the difference between a 720p/1080i/1080p anyway. Heck I find a really well upscaled DVD is hard to pick.

I can't tell them apart either, unless the screen is > 50". I watched blu-ray movies on my Samsung 32" 1080i CRT (the same one Viper got) and I couldn't see what the fuss is all about, even when I sat really closed to the screen.

But, when it gets up to and past that size (50" or more), the increased in picture resolution really become evident - particularly after I've calibrated my PDP. Picture from Blu-Ray movies are just crisps, the colour more vivid and the minor details like writing in the backgrounds, reflection on the surfaces, clothing textures etc just so much clearer than the unscaled DVD.

I was sceptical at first as well but since then I'd prefer to watch Blu-Ray movies rather than upscaled DVD (even if it's well done).

Its dificult to tell the difference between 1080i (tv) and 1080p (bluray) no matter what device you're on.

last edited by mongie at 15:15:38 18/May/09

^^^ I should add that when I said:

I can't tell them apart either, unless the screen is > 50". I watched blu-ray movies on my Samsung 32" 1080i CRT (the same one Viper got) and I couldn't see what the fuss is all about, even when I sat really closed to the screen.

I meant the difference between blu-ray and DVD movies and not 1080i/1080p. I still can't tell the difference between these two resolutions even on my current big screen PDP. But upscaled on DVD on 50+ inch display, definitely I can see the differences.