saw this on Gizmodo:
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2009/05/optus_clearing_out_old_iphone_stock_with_a_price_drop.html

thinking about getting this for the GF who really wants an iphone for surfing the web, she doesnt have a huge music collection so capacity isn't really an issue.

The only concern is getting the phone now and then the new iphones being released in a month with a feature that she really wants. any idea on what will be on the next iphone oher than bigger capacity/better camera?

As you said, bigger capacity and a better camera are pretty likely. Also probably general improvements like signal strength etc. And possibly a proper keypad.

its likely that there will be a 3.2mp camera and a 32gb model among other things. But thats only based off hardware purchases made by apple.

Pretty sure older models will still be available for a reduced price after the new ones come out. Personally, I'd be pissed if someone bought me an older model product just because it was cheaper (depending on how much cheaper and difference in functionality).

Any idea if they are making it thinner? It's a bit chunky atm.

Personally, I'd be pissed if someone bought me an older model product just because it was cheaper (depending on how much cheaper and difference in functionality).

You would be pissed if someone brought you a iPhone just because it was a bit cheaper than it used to be due to a new model coming out? It's not like the old one becomes useless... still a pretty awesome phone.

And possibly a proper keypad.

How'd you come up with this idea?

Has anyone actually confirmed that there will be a new handset in June?

I am not getting it solely because it is cheaper, i think its going to do what she wants it to do, also, she will appriciate my thriftiness if it turns out to be a smart move.

afaik the new iphone 3.0 software will work on current gen iphones? so she wont be missing out on MMSing and copy/paste?

Why not link to the actual offer so people can check it out?

Optus are jettisoning old stock eh

I think an 8G is all you need; seems like an ok deal to me? The only catch is the 250MB monthly quota.. Maybe find out how much they'll burn you?

I just checked my usage, 3.5G downloaded in cellular data since bought; that's probably September.. used in the context of 'unlimited' data.

How'd you come up with this idea?

It's just what some people are speculating. It makes sense since the lack of a keypad is one of the few criticisms of the iPhone, and Apple is usually good at addressing any improvements people want (eg. tethering)

all their marketing is built around it being a single touch screen; if they put a keypad on it I will eat my hat

I can't see a keypad ever being on an iPhone .. it's just not the Apple way to add buttons for the sake of it. One of the biggest revolutions to UI design was their clicky wheel.

vodafone are doing a similar deal but optus looks a bit better value

http://store.vodafone.com.au/apple-iphone-3g-8gb-49-vodafone-cap-contract-plus-internet-on-your-mobile-pack-offer.aspx

You must admit there is not much value in having a typewriter crammed onto your telephone. Just exactly how much wordperfect do you use that you need to be doing it when you're not at home or in an office or using a portable computer ?

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that'd be f***en right, got the 16gb on the $59 cap plus $6 a month handset payment about 2 weeks ago, would have gone this deal if it was around.

I hope the new phone doesn't come out too soon so I can have at least be on my plan for 12 months before upgrading to the new iphone.

You would be pissed if someone brought you a iPhone just because it was a bit cheaper than it used to be due to a new model coming out? It's not like the old one becomes useless... still a pretty awesome phone.

You missed the bit in brackets :p

Wewt, ordered one.

It's just what some people are speculating. It makes sense since the lack of a keypad is one of the few criticisms of the iPhone, and Apple is usually good at addressing any improvements people want (eg. tethering)

The lack of keyboard isn't a valid criticism because the high-quality multi touch screen is the main reason why they don't need one. I've tried to use Blackberry, Palm and other real-QWERTY keyboard smartphones and they're bad.

Apple would rather die than put a plastic hard-to-type keyboard on. A good 5 minutes of the first keynote was entirely about why they got rid of it.

I doubt the iphone will change that much.
Bigger camera ... who cares
More memory ... vaguely useful
Thinner ... cos its not thin enough ?

Most of my critisms are being fixed next firmware

The lack of keyboard isn't a valid criticism because the high-quality multi touch screen is the main reason why they don't need one.

That's rubbish, there are plenty of people out there who need their phone as an e-mail device, and the iPhone's on screen keyboard is pretty average if you need to write something more than a sentence or two.

the main thing i would like to see on the new iphone is it to be a bit tougher i know lots ppl who have broken theirs i know i would be one of them

iPhone's on screen keyboard is pretty average if you need to write something more than a sentence or two.

Only if you suck at life, its predictive stuff is awesome (way faster then the windows mobile phones we have with little keyboards).

Now that you get landscape mode with the keyboard in most applications, having a physical keyboard is not required. The predictive stuff is awesome on the iPhone.

**** FAN BOY ALERT ****
http://gizmodo.com/5233180/iphone-vs-asus-netbook-extreme-typing-test

Retarded argument, the most important thing when you're typing is how comfortable and effective you feel, ie. it's entirely personal preference.

ohhh c'mooooooonnnnn reso!!!

lol reso - kinda dodgy though: you can clearly see he does a double space at some stage, with no full stop :O

Retarded argument, the most important thing when you're typing is how comfortable and effective you feel, ie. it's entirely personal preference.

Retarded argument, it'd only take you a week or two to get entirely comfortable with any device, no matter how retarded.

Retarded argument, it'd only take you a week or two to get entirely comfortable with any device, no matter how retarded.

Unless its crippled by a terrible software translation of the input (I'm speaking to you, Mac OS mouse driver).

Retarded argument, the most important thing when you're typing is how comfortable and effective you feel, ie. it's entirely personal preference.

Retarded argument, it'd only take you a week or two to get entirely comfortable with any device, no matter how retarded.

Retarded fanboy:
First of all, not an argument.
Secondly, you missed the point, even if you get used to it to the point where you can use it well, it doesn't mean you'll ever feel comfortable or enjoy using it.

I didn't miss your point, I just didn't agree with it being a point:p

do's: buy her an iphone, it'll get her off your back
don'ts: put your credit card into her itunes, she'll rape you clean

I always use a condom when I put my "credit card" into a girl's "itunes".

There is no new iPhone coming out anytime soon of there is to be one the rumor is it will hit china/hong kong first

Theres a new software update coming which brings new features to the iPhone in june/july but thats it.

Has anyone used one of these to unlock an iphone or know anyone who has?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/REBEL-TURBO-UNLOCK-SIM-FOR-IPHONE-3G-3-0-2-2-1-2-30-03_W0QQitemZ230341784872QQcmdZViewItemQQptZSIM_Cards?hash=item230341784872&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A1|39%3A1|240%3A1308|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50

Mine just showed up.

gf is ordering hers RIGHT NOW.

tempted to get one with this new deal that optus has..only 8g model...but that'll do me

i orderd one monday it came today.. wasnt home so its coming tmrw!

Man, I take back all the crap I heaped on friends who got one. These things are the ultimate gadget :D

syco, they actually worth it?

say compared to an n95/n96..

i hate apple and itunes, but the iphone really is the ducks nuts.

ps i have an 8gb one rolly and have probably used about 1gb for photos and apps etc, 7gb is a lot of space left over for even just mp3s. f*** you could put a hd video on there also

sweet as, thinking of doin the optus deal tonight..see what happens

syco, they actually worth it?

say compared to an n95/n96..

I'd say yes. The camera isn't so great but I have a DSLR for photos.

I've had a crapload of phones in the past from PDA's to top model Nokias to cheap Chineese phones that run linux, always had issues with finding useful software and then getting said software on there. Apple just made it so easy heh there's a whole community out there developing apps and they're all available from the one spot.

I mean ... I've got the full damn version of Myst on there and it runs great :)

Edit:

Also the thing just works at full speed no matter what it's doing, I haven't had the usual slow downs while doing something I do with other phones, everything just goes fast and fluid. The interface is great.

Damnit, I think I'm turning into a fanboy. If I buy a macbook someone shoot me.

last edited by Syco at 18:20:47 14/May/09

whats the coverage like?

whats the coverage like?

Ahh, well that I wouldn't know at this point. Some people online have said they'd like a strong signal from them but I've not been more then 10K away from home this week so haven't really tried it. I've got to drove to Caboolture tomorrow, I'll let you know how the coverage goes on the way up to there and back.

k, just hope it has good coverage..say in like townsville.. ha

At $49 per month for 24 months it's still $1176.

For a mobile.

At $49 per month for 24 months it's still $1176.

For a mobile.

There's no handset repayment, they eat it. I'd hazard to guess most people pay atleast that for their current mobiles per month, especially with the included data.

I was on pre-paid and spent around that per month, my previous post-paid phone was $60 a month.

At $49 per month for 24 months it's still $1176.

As Syco mentioned, that is for both the phone and $300 of calls/text + 250MB.

So you could buy it outright for what? $500-700 for an 8GB i think? Even if you could pick one up for $500 (which is even less than how much most used ones go for on eBay), and assuming you spend a conservative $30 worth of mobile services a month, it still works out cheaper to get this plan.

Anyway, my contract is just about up, this offer is tempting but I think i'll wait a month or two and see what the new model has to offer.

Can't do it..if I do it, have to cancel current contract which will cost around $550..guess i have to wait for new iphone to come out in few months and pay handset payments.. yay!

ok i've succumb to the iphone juggernaut. i think i was the only person at CeBIT that didnt have one. Most of the guest speakers were frothing about them too, saying they are the next step in web evolution etc etc..

decided to stick with vodafone cos i havent had a prob with them ever.

went on $75 plan though. better value imo.

- 16gb iphone
- $400 credit
- 1gb downloads
- 3 free months
- 100 free texts
- docking station

i would have blown the 200mb limit on the $49 cap for sure, and then got raped at $5 a meg. 1 gig is much nicer w00t

last edited by StreX at 09:43:01 15/May/09

i would have blown the 200mb limit

I thought the same so I got a 700Mb cap and only use about 80-90Mb/mth with daily email checking, news reading, MSN, etc. If I stepped it up to YouTube video watching on the way home then it might get a bit hefty on the usage.

i would have blown the 200mb limit on the $49 cap for sure, and then got raped at $5 a meg. 1 gig is much nicer w00t

What the hell are you doing to download more than 200meg? I'm like Ticcles - I struggle to use more than ~100 each month, and I feel like I hammer data usage.

I'm like Billy and Ticles

I have 1G usage a month ... and I'm flat out using 100MB a month.

gf got hers, i am best bf ever.

hi5's all round.

Gonna grab one methnks, see what this s*** is all about :)

PFFT, $30 a month nokia slide phone represent.

d0mino o/

God damn, when I signed up it failed at the number porting thing twice so I figure "screw it, I'll put it through and surely when I ring to activate it they can sort out the porting".

Phone showed up two days ago, I ring up and the dude says it should be fine he'll just need to email someone to sort it out and they'll get back to me in two days.

I get a SMS today (Two days later) "Thanks for using your iPhone on Optus". Old card still working, number not ported etc so I get on the phone.

A freaking hour and a half later, 6 department transfers (3 Indian, surprisingly the Aussie sales department chick was a rude bitch the Indians where super nice but just can't understand a problem) later I crack the s***s and tell them to just activate the new f***ing number.

So I lost the number I've had for 5 years :(

Anyone know of or heard of anyone buying an iphone from ebay?

iphone for the GF

do your self a favour get her a clock for the stove instead...

woah, i was just googling CeBIT cause it sounded like a badass acronym had nfi what it meant and tried to go to the cebit homepage and got this http://www.google.com.au/interstitial?url=http://www.cebit.com.au/

SAFE!! from the evil overlords of the interwebs thanks to google! how long has google been doing that for? (srs noob question)

also strex what kind of crazy trade show is this that wants to give my pc aids?! :D

edit: http://www.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?site=http://www.cebit.com.au/&hl=en

What happened when Google visited this site?

Of the 308 pages we tested on the site over the past 90 days, 14 page(s) resulted in malicious software being downloaded and installed without user consent. The last time Google visited this site was on 2009-05-18, and the last time suspicious content was found on this site was on 2009-05-18.

lol.

last edited by taggs at 20:22:30 19/May/09

As much as it feels so wrong to say so after piling scorn on the mac fanboys for their non cut and paste no mms silly phone ... God this is a very cool gadget isn't it.

The boys at Redmond certainly have their work cut out for them if they want win mo 6 & 7 to seriously compete with the iphone especially in the consumer sector. Even with it's obvious functionality flaws, it's still a full generation ahead of my old htc touch.

The app store is awesome too. I'm slowly finding myself willing to part with $ for small convenience apps just because it's so convenient to bash a button on the home screen and be near-instantly rewarded with the desired result

I still don't like apple and Job's benevolent dictatorship crap. This is just a really nice phone.

SAFE!! from the evil overlords of the interwebs thanks to google! how long has google been doing that for? (srs noob question)

Quite a while, last year they f***ed up and blocked every page heh.

As much as it feels so wrong to say so after piling scorn on the mac fanboys for their non cut and paste no mms silly phone ...

Not for long! I, for one, have MMS working (it sends, dunno if people receive it...).

3Dee, I'm thinking about playing around with iPhone dev - I'm that impressed with the device, and think they might become more popular. A lot of what we do is distributed computing using web services etc which the iPhone seems to do pretty well.

Do I need a Mac to do this, or can I run the SDK on Windows? Might be better off doing iPhone-happy mini-websites instead if I need to buy a dev station for it...

Do I need a Mac to do this, or can I run the SDK on Windows? Might be better off doing iPhone-happy mini-websites instead if I need to buy a dev station for it...

You need an Intel Mac with updated Leopard. But if you don't know yet, the SDK is free to download and test using the Simulator. Costs $119AUD/year to test on device and also put on the App Store. But thats all you spend.

last edited by 3dee at 10:36:58 20/May/09

So the simulator and IDE only runs on OSX I guess?

Yep. You could do a hackintosh? or maybe try virtually running it (slow?)

Meh.

Easier to just do a .Net web page tailored to fit neatly into the thing's Safari browser. No need to mess with the App Store then either - not sure my clients would really want this stuff in the public store anyway.

You need an Intel Mac with updated Leopard. But if you don't know yet, the SDK is free to download and test using the Simulator. Costs $119AUD/year to test on device and also put on the App Store. But thats all you spend.

Another reason I don't like apple. They tell their users it's fine to run XP on their machines but they wont let their OS run on a non-mac or as a VM on even a Mac box. I know a dev who owns 4 seperate macs. Not because he's that much of a fanboy but because he's not even aloud to run any versions of their OS's in vitalisations to test his stuff he needs to keep the last four versions of their OS at hand.

On the upside he gets to charge for revisions. 1.1 comes out he gets money, 1.2 comes out he gets money etc etc because of the mindset of Mac users they think it's great haha.

I know a dev who owns 4 seperate macs. Not because he's that much of a fanboy but because he's not even aloud to run any versions of their OS's in vitalisations to test his stuff he needs to keep the last four versions of their OS at hand.

See, this is s***house. To contrast, Microsoft offers entirely for free a Virtual PC environment for all its recent OSes. For a lousy few grand you can get a developer's version of effectively their entire catalogue.

Half the reason why they rule the world is that they look after developers really well.

Another reason I don't like apple. They tell their users it's fine to run XP on their machines but they wont let their OS run on a non-mac

Uh, the whole thing is that you buy a MAC to run MAC OS. Its about quality and hardware matching. Mac OS X is only expected to run on specific sets of hardware. This way they can optimise how their operating system is run, provide a high quality working hardware combination and have a stable operating system as a result.

Why do you think Windows runs like s*** on so many computers? Because they don't have control over the hardware combinations so they have to try and make as much as possible compatible with everything else. I don't envy Microsoft.

Apple is a hardware company as much as it is a software company. Its like Apple saying, hai guys, here's the source code to iPhone OS so you can build it for your Windows Mobile pos's.

last edited by 3dee at 13:34:05 20/May/09

Agreed on the OSX on Windows thing. I'm not that interested in OSX to be honest, aside from a requirement to run it to tinker with iPhone software.

There's really no excuse for the lack of virtualisation support for software vendors though.

From a business perspective, why do you think Apple doesn't allow this? More people buying Macs... You gotta see it from their angle too!

From a business perspective, why do you think Apple doesn't allow this? More people buying Macs... You gotta see it from their angle too!

Absolutely, but its a really, really s***ty way to treat developers.

See note above about dominance of Windows. They need people to invest in building software for their devices, and tying them over a barrel is just not the way to go about it.

Absolutely, but its a really, really s***ty way to treat developers.

See note above about dominance of Windows. They need people to invest in building software for their devices, and tying them over a barrel is just not the way to go about it.

If using Mac OS X on your Windows PC to do said development is what you'd like then, yeah, fair enough thats its a bit excessive to need a Mac. But if you expect Apple to port its developer toolchain, including Xcode and Interface Builder and its Simulator (which is bascially running out of Mac OS X frameworks) to Windows then that's getting a bit naive.

One thing a lot of people don't get is that the iPhone OS and SDK are all tightly coupled and based on the Mac OS X operating system and as such, its not economically feasible or logical for Apple to port the SDK to Windows.

Apple want you to buy Macs, so saying that they're selfish to limit it to Mac OS X is kinda naive once again.

Uh, the whole thing is that you buy a MAC to run MAC OS. Its about quality and hardware matching. Mac OS X is only expected to run on specific sets of hardware. This way they can optimise how their operating system is run, provide a high quality working hardware combination and have a stable operating system as a result.

I'm talking about a developer who develops applications for Mac OS's. He HAS to own many seperate Mac's because Apple wont even let you run a previous version of OSX inside a VM. I'm quite sure he'd be happy to own just the one and have 3 other VM's inside that one desktop, it doesn't have to be a Intel PC that wasn't made pretty by apple, it could be an Intel PC that was made pretty by apple. But they don't even let you run VM's of their own software on their own machines.

Apple want you to buy Macs, so saying that they're selfish to limit it to Mac OS X is kinda naive once again.

Yet they want to force their developers into silly annoying multiple machine ownership. They'd make a mint if they let people run OSX on other machines, I mean they charge for every single little update don't they? OMGOMG OSX 10.0.0.0.0.0.1 IS OUT I MUST SPEND $200 ON IT NOW TO GET THOSE SECURITY FIXES. hehe

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But they don't even let you run VM's of their own software on their own machines.

It could be money wise, or it could be something to do with the fact that Mac OS X runs on EFI motherboards, not BIOS, like Windows.

Surely someone has VM'd Mac OS on the intarwebs?

It could be money wise, or it could be something to do with the fact that Mac OS X runs on EFI motherboards, not BIOS, like Windows.

Surely someone has VM'd Mac OS on the intarwebs?

A VM doesn't run on any hardware, it's software emulation of a PC (well most of them) if Apple allowed it tomorrow there'd be an app out the week after working on any machine most likely.

I'm sure someone has done it but if you're a developer you don't want to brake agreements with the platform you're developing on. You could be sued, lose industry certs, accreditations etc etc that are Apple approved.

It's not a software or hardware limitation, it's a legal one.

Just get a Mac mini. Actually, don't. They're way more expensive than they should at the moment :(

That being said, I have a Mac mini and its great for iPhone dev.

What Syco said. I'm not talking about Apple making their dev tools available for Windows - I fully expected that this wouldn't be the case, and that I would need some mac hardware to build a native iPhone app.

But what he describes as Apple's practice towards their own developers - people who build their busines writing software for Apple systems - is really bad, and I'm very surprised. Screwing people who not only buy your hardware and software, but who are in the business of trying to make it more popular? That's very short-sighted imo.

When I started out, from memory I gave 5 grand to Microsoft and I had a complete dev environment, Visual Studio, Source Control, Office, SQL Server, practically every piece of software in the MS catalogue including server operating systems and solid virtualisation so that I could develop and reliably test for almost any Windows environment off a single computer. For the young gun on a budget, you can write entirely uncrippled software for free using Express versions (but don't get integrated source control etc).

This is what I mean when I am talking about supporting developers.

And here I am sizing up replacing all our DELL Latitude's with MacBooks next year :D

But what he describes as Apple's practice towards their own developers - people who build their busines writing software for Apple systems - is really bad, and I'm very surprised. Screwing people who not only buy your hardware and software, but who are in the business of trying to make it more popular? That's very short-sighted imo.

Well, ideally Apple wants its developers to not be using hacked or VM-ran versions of its operating system which kinda makes both financial and quality-assurance sense. Hackintosh all you like, but in the end, you can't blame Apple for wanting to improve its business through the iPhone development phenomenon.

All I'm saying is that Apple hasn't exactly had many problems with its current restrictions to its own hardware when it comes to the iPhone developers.

Well, ideally Apple wants its developers to not be using hacked or VM-ran versions of its operating system which kinda makes both financial and quality-assurance sense. Hackintosh all you like, but in the end, you can't blame Apple for wanting to improve its business through the iPhone development phenomenon.

??? You're either being obtuse or missing my point, and its a pretty obvious one. I'm not talking about hacking anything, a VM is a very solid test environment there are a lot of virtual servers in production as VPS's, its not really a hack job at all.

I think the main thing is that Apple doesn't want you using your own PC that you didn't pay Apple two grand for...

Well, ideally Apple wants its developers to not be using hacked or VM-ran versions of its operating system which kinda makes both financial and quality-assurance sense. Hackintosh all you like, but in the end, you can't blame Apple for wanting to improve its business through the iPhone development phenomenon.

Again, we're not talking about using OSX on a PC (a white box PC, not a Mac PC.. pretty much the same thing but anyway) we're talking about Apple not letting Apple devs use an Apple OS on an Apple machine.

Mac fans are typically blinded by the Apple social machine and they don't see the issue with what are pretty fundamental flaws in the way Apple do business.

I mean ... c'mon Steve Jobbs actually said "No one uses Flash anymore, it's dead" and people gulp that up and believe it.

we're talking about Apple not letting Apple devs use an Apple OS on an Apple machine

um, Apple is happy for you to virtualise OS X if you are on apple hardware. latest version of Parallels.

But what he describes as Apple's practice towards their own developers - people who build their busines writing software for Apple systems - is really bad, and I'm very surprised. Screwing people who not only buy your hardware and software, but who are in the business of trying to make it more popular? That's very short-sighted imo.

every mac sold can have the full dev environment installed for free. then there's their awesome frameworks, documentation, cocoa-dev mailing list etc, wwdc and all the resources that come out of that.. Apple has lots of lubbing for its mac developers.

for iphone developers, the only thing is the app review process - which i can understand them wanting to control their platform. i dont think that means they hate on iphone devs. the NDA was kind of stupid too, but they relaxed it to allow open development discussion.

I mean ... c'mon Steve Jobbs actually said "No one uses Flash anymore, it's dead" and people gulp that up and believe it.

I agree about Flash being legacy and a lot of well respected people are leaving it behind, html+javascript 4ever - but that's idealistic thinking today - flash has its place. although I use flash block, just have youtube and vimeo white-listed and I don't miss much. i think it's ok for steve jobs to be opinionated, as long as they keep pumping out awesome products.

Flash should be dead - I'm all for Jobs paving the way to help kill it off

um, Apple is happy for you to virtualise OS X if you are on apple hardware. latest version of Parallels.

How long for? My mate went into a tirade about it maybe 12 months ago (could've been longer/shorter heh).

Yeah, sure, I'm not a fan of flash either but there's still a whole crapload of it out there.



last edited by Syco at 19:45:16 20/May/09

I think I read about it maybe 12 months ago too? just had a quick look into it, it was a change in the eula that allows only leopard server (costs $500) to be virtualised. so yeah, hack the planet.

I think I read about it maybe 12 months ago too? just had a quick look into it, it was a change in the eula that allows only leopard server (costs $500) to be virtualised. so yeah, hack the planet.

Yeah, he develops desktop apps, has to use a few previous revisions of the desktop OS to check compatibility.

I just noticed the "Bonus $50 credit" for signing up online on the iPhone on the Optus site. Anyone know how long it's been running for? I ordered mine about a week ago. Wondering if I'll get it or not.

btw, this guy has been right a few times regarding apple releases - today he posted info about the next iphone rumoured to be released in the next couple months.

http://daringfireball.net/2009/05/the_next_iphone

So if I were a betting man, here’s how I’d handicap expectations for the WWDC keynote:

WOULD WAGER HEAVILY UPON: A next-generation iPhone to be released in July, with roughly double the CPU horsepower and an improved video-capable camera, with 16 and 32 GB storage capacities.

WOULD WAGER A SMALL AMOUNT UPON: New iPhone prices at $199/299 for 16/32 GB; 256 MB RAM on new iPhones; existing stock of current iPhone 3Gs sold at a discount through Apple’s web site. (Also, in Mac news, I’d bet a small amount on a refresh to Apple’s notebook lineup, with a branding change where the “MacBook Pro” designation is used for all aluminum models,1 and just plain non-Pro “MacBook” is used for plastic models.)

WOULD WAGER A SANDWICH UPON: Improved battery life for the new iPhone, despite the beefier CPU.

WOULD WAGER HEAVILY AGAINST: Anything at all related to the in-the-works tablet thingmajig. Not going to happen at WWDC.

WOULD NOT WAGER UPON, BUT, WELL, I’VE HEARD THINGS: An “iPhone Mini”, with hardware roughly three-fourths the height and width of existing iPhones. I expect to see something along these lines sooner than later, but I do not believe it’s going to debut this July alongside the new flagship iPhones.

Kind of cool - I have a contract coming up due early next year so might scab a new one if they turn out any good.

Do I need to re-buy appstore s*** or do I get like a 5-device grace?

Do I need to re-buy appstore s***

I'd assume you'd re-sync your itunes account with your new device and get access to all your apps, as you would get your music and movies etc.

Yeh but do I get to keep them on the old phone too, or is it a buy-per-phone dealio?

Yeh but do I get to keep them on the old phone too, or is it a buy-per-phone dealio?

hehe

Why is trog laugh at me.

WTB descriptive post!

I read something that said it's tied to your account instead of a phone. So if you had your iTunes with 2 iPhones and an iPod you should still be able to sync the apps to all of them.

New hotness - thanks. 3dee said something about synching multiple phones to a single itunes.

Why is trog laugh at me.

WTB descriptive post!

yeh I thought it was common knowledge that you could plug your iphone into anyone's account and copy all their applications

Just found this, I reckon it's yes - I can't imagine the old phone realising its itunes account is being used on another device and deactivating itself or something. And I can't imagine apple not making the hardware upgrade as attractive as possible.

http://www.tuaw.com/2008/07/25/multiple-iphone-household-share-your-apps/

yeh I thought it was common knowledge that you could plug your iphone into anyone's account and copy all their applications

yep, I definitely didn't know :D my gf will be happy about that.

Why is trog laugh at me. WTB descriptive post!

yeh I thought it was common knowledge that you could plug your iphone into anyone's account and copy all their applications

Nah didn't know that ... nice, but harsh on the poor bastards developing the software :p

IIRC it blows away your existing apps, so it's not really that useful

All purchases you make are tied to your iTunes account so it doesn't matter which devices or computers your purchases are put on as long as iTunes is authorised to use your account's purchases.

Original Optus offer expired yesterday.

A new one has taken its place: $59 ($10 more expensive) but double the data (500MB). Until June 30.

Linky

I got 2 iPhone's on saturday as I was originally going to just get the one for GF's birthday, but I got 2x 16GB versions. I made sure to disable bluetooth pretty quick and to check it had the latest firmware installed. I saw too many reasons to get one vs reasons not to. Not cheap, I got the insurance and whole bunch of extras so its going to be close to $170/mo for both handsets but I'm paying close to $100/mo for my current N95. I chose not to port my numbers across cause I know optus are crap for that. Gives me a chance to filter out the people I don't want with my number again. :D