Ok this is something I have known about for ages but I couldn't find a document that would explain whats going on so everyone could understand it This thing is going to be activated in just 6 days form today !!!! .... this is BIG ...and I mean really BIG .... do some research and let me know ur thoughts ..... personally I am a little worried as to whats the outcome

here are some resource links as well

http://www.lhcountdown.com/?p=1

http://lhc.web.cern.ch/lhc/

The Price of Knowing - a warning to all
=======================================

The LHC (or Large Hadron Collider) is a machine that has been built at
a cost of $8.5 Billion dollars over a period of about 14 years. It is
the most complex and advanced device ever built by humans. It is located
about 100km beneath the French-Switzerland border and is in itself 27km
in legnth and 7000 tonnes. This atom-smasher as it has been dubbed, is
being built by the European Centre for Nuclear Research (or CERN).

The purpose of the LHC is to recreate the conditions that existed one
trillionth of a second following the purported Big Bang, and in doing
so locate the elusive Higgs Boson God-Particle, the missing link
particle that gives all others their mass. Another secret that may be
unlocked is the question of extra-dimensions. By being able to analyze
the very fabric of time and space the scientists at CERN may be able to
discover these dimensions and the mystery behind dark matter which
comprises 96% of the entire universe but which we cannot see.

The process involves smashing protons against one another at nearly the
speed of light to create a mini Big-Bang, which will then give us a
glimpse into a self-created mini-universe. Effectively we will be creating
a galactical ant-farm of unlimited answers and new possibilities.
And playing God in the most literal sense of the term.

In short, the LHC could very well answer the mysteries of not only the
universe but how we came to be. The LHC is scheduled to be switched on and fully operational this July. The scientific world is eagerly anticipating the roaring to life of the worlds greatest ever experiment, hoping that the remaining gaps in physics can finally be filled.

But this is at a cost. Two men in particular, Walter Wagner and Luis
Sancho, are well aware of that cost and intend to caution the world. They
filed a lawsuit against CERN (The European Centre for Nuclear Research)
on March 21. Their case is that CERN have not been able to adequately
guarantee that in the process of smashing the atoms and protons together
at such terrifying and unprecedented force, a mini black hole or stranglet (among other apocalyptic scenarios) would not be created. Some veteran physicists who have closely examined the Large Hadron Colliders function have themselves warned that the risks have been underestimated.

CERNs argument is that even if a mini black hole were to be created, it would evaporate instantaneously. They dismiss Wagner and Sanchos warning as baseless and scare-mongering. Another point CERN makes is that stronger collisions of energy have been taking place on earth and the moon for billions of years, without any consequence. The force of a hypothetical mini black hole would have as much energy/force as a mosquito, says CERN. So even if one were generated, there is no way that it could pose any credible danger to the earth.

This is all well and good, except for two things, which make CERNs argument fundamentally flawed. CERN say that cosmic rays with equivelant energy to that of the LHC smash into the earth and moon all the time and have done so over billions of years without any consequence whatsoever, thus making the LHC harmless. Cosmic rays travel too fast to be captured by earths gravity. The Collider particles, however, smash head on like a car crash and can be captured by the earths gravity, and the laws that govern relativity predict mico black holes would therefore not decay.

Secondly, the theory that a hypothetical black hole would evaporate due to Hawking Radiation is also flawed, as there is no evidence to suggest that Hawking Radiation exists, let alone works. Lets look at the following quotes which have been compiled for the readers consideration:

* Dr. Adam D. Helfer: Do black holes radiate? [1] [2] no compelling theoretical case for or against radiation by black holes

* Dr. William G. Unruh and Prof. Ralf Schützhold: On the Universality of the Hawking Effect Therefore, whether real black holes emit Hawking radiation or not remains an open question

* Prof. V.A. Belinski: On the existence of quantum evaporation of a black hole quote the effect [Hawking Radiation] does not exist.

And the next statement is particularly important, considering the source.

Professor Dr. Otto E. Roessler estimates 50 months Earth accretion time from a single micro black hole captured by Earths gravity. This gives us until 2012. Thats IF one of the other several horrors dont manifest. One of them them is the stranglet, a strange form of matter that attaches itself to anything it touches, ultimately turning the entire land-mass of the earth into a clump of strange matter. I guess well wait and see.

Now, on a seperate (but eerie) note let us look at this. Whatever happens when the LHC reaches maximum performance in 2012, the following is worth a read.

There is an ancient 3,500 year old calander called the Mayan Long Count Calander, historys most accurate astronomical calander, that ends abruptly on December 21, 2012. The Mayans believe this is the beginning of a new cycle. This very well may have an ominous double-meaning.

The timing is indeed strange. CERN conclude that the Large Hadron Collider will be at maximum performance in 2012. This said, we should be closest to filling all the gaps during that very year. And if we do? The mystery gone. The questions answered. We would have discovered the Grand Unified Theory. The universe will have been explained.

Worryingly, December 21, 2012 is the exact date that the planets in the solar system allign with the galactic equator (an imaginary line that runs down the centre of the universe). Also, on this exact day, the earth completes its 26,000 year wobble. The earth will be in a position that puts us in front-row position for extreme Solar-Maximum, an event that, on this scale, may wreak havoc with the ocean conveyor belt. Many astronomers warn that this could expose earth to unsustainable conditions, and possible polar-shift. Both of these scenarios are beyond catastrophic.

Some may argue that the coinciding celestial event in 2012 may be cosmically designed to prevent Our Greatest Discovery of All. After all, what would be the fun anymore?

Others may just call it coincidence.

Thats some coincidence.

http://www.break.com/index/awesome-lifelike-robotic-dog.html

I forgot to mention .....

It has been turned on but the first collision is happening in 6 days .

For ref, this has been discussed here before:

http://www.ausgamers.com/forums/general/thread.php/2603970

Pretty cool though, and worth a bump if it's about to kick off.

if something does go wrong we probably wont be alive long enough to bitch about it.

Read "The safety of the LHC" on the CERN website:

http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/LHC/Safety-en.html

It's in plain, simple english so most people should be able to understand it.

Now to address the rubbish quote you included in your first post:

There is an ancient 3,500 year old calander called the Mayan Long Count Calander, historys most accurate astronomical calander, that ends abruptly on December 21, 2012. The Mayans believe this is the beginning of a new cycle. This very well may have an ominous double-meaning.

Haha, discussing both particle accelerators and the Mayan calendar in the same opinion piece. Gold!

The credibility of the author after this comment = 0

do some research and let me know ur thoughts

What kind of research would suffice? Most if not all of us aren't particle physicists so we wouldn't be qualified to give a technical opinion.

Just let it go, all this fear-mongering is lame.


last edited by parabol at 12:51:48 01/Jul/08

repent before it's too late

July 6th is the first test? does that mean if it all goes to s*** that I wont be getting my iphone on July 11 :(

if anyones interested theres a lecture on ted by a physicist working on the lhc about what they are trying to accomplish etc.

Read "The safety of the LHC" on the CERN website:

http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/LHC/Safety-en.html

It's in plain, simple english so most people should be able to understand it.

Now to address the rubbish quote you included in your first post:

There is an ancient 3,500 year old calander called the Mayan Long Count Calander, historys most accurate astronomical calander, that ends abruptly on December 21, 2012. The Mayans believe this is the beginning of a new cycle. This very well may have an ominous double-meaning.

Haha, discussing both particle accelerators and the Mayan calendar in the same opinion piece. Gold!

The credibility of the author after this comment = 0

do some research and let me know ur thoughts

What kind of research would suffice? Most if not all of us aren't particle physicists so we wouldn't be qualified to give a technical opinion.

Just let it go, all this fear-mongering is lame.
last edited by parabol at 12:51:48 01/Jul/08

actually you got me there ....it was just something I copy and pasted .... The myan thing I don't really agree with myself and I do have to agree with you that part is rubbish

The world must endure! I want my Diablo 3!!!

Cool video of this thing, well what it's meant to do anyway

my thread was better.

Thats a great VID ... Thanks

The world must endure! I want my Diablo 3!!!

f***ing werd

f***, why haven't I heard about this before? I would have thought they'd have been a QGL thread about something so dangerous.

Will it be like in an earthquake where you are supposed to hide in the toilet or under a table ?

cheers rev, thats the vid i was talking about

STINKY, welcome to February.
http://www.ausgamers.com/forums/general/thread.php/2603970

So Bill gates leaves microsoft, 7 days later they fire up the LHC destroying the earth, exactly 5 days before the Iphone is released, coincidence, I think not.

stinky caught an et =]

[20:59:11] (Grandia) tell me more aboout the strangelets
[21:05:08] (sii) they are hypothetical objects? =D
[21:08:41] (Grandia) that'll kill us all in august
[21:08:59] (Grandia) my prediction is the micro black holes interact with them...
[21:13:23] * sii nods and agrees
[21:19:12] (Grandia) ....
[21:19:34] (Grandia) DON'T PATRONIZE ME!
[21:30:15] (sintackz) strangelets + micro black holes == teh gateway thru the van allen belts to... planet x!
[21:31:21] (Grandia) you mock me
[21:31:29] (Grandia) but the clouds were going against the wind tonight
[21:31:58] (sintackz) i found knots in my goats intestines too
[21:32:08] (sintackz) can only mean one thing

I wont be getting my iphone on July 11 :(

and if you do and turn it on....well mmmmmmmmm
i'm with viper this is way to coincidental
7+5 = 12 the year quoted is 2012
1+2 = 3 so 2012 is THE NUMBER 23 OMG!!!!!!

whats the dude in the wheel chair say about this...Hawkings??

He says shut up and let the scientists blow us all up already.

can they do it on the 17th so I can watch the Dark Knight first?

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/1570/dilbertkv7.gif
:D

^lol

can they do it on the 17th so I can watch the Dark Knight first?

make it the 19th. i already bought my gold class ticket

Where are you getting the dates from? I haven't found anything referencing the 6th July. Wikipedia rekons the 1st collisions aren't expected till Oct or so...

What if this is how our universe was made?!@? Some other society decided to make their own LHC and we're living in their LHC.

OMG IT WILL BE NEVER ENDING

Large Hardon Collid0r!

heh

There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened.

Douglas Adams The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. 1978.

OMG IT WILL BE NEVER ENDING

all of this has happened before and will happen again

nice work on the Battlestar quote ravnos

great vid, that brian fella is really good at putting it all into understandable english

if only it would happen on July the 4th, then America could save the f***in day yeh!... this has movie script written all over it

Large Hadron Collider? I barely even know her!

edit: ^ ahahaha

edit: #2 -just to be clear I'm laughing at my hilarious comment not twat's

last edited by trog at 17:25:58 01/Jul/08

Not a bad contribution from the 18 post'er.

Large Hadron Collider? I barely even know her!

And then they built a Large Hadron Collider.

first..

personally I am a little worried as to whats the outcome

LOL!

2nd, that article trying to discredit sounds like utter bulls*** to me.

Cosmic rays travel too fast to be captured by earths gravity. The Collider particles, however, smash head on like a car crash and can be captured by the earths gravity, and the laws that govern relativity predict mico black holes would therefore not decay.

sure, i only did grade 12 physics, but what the f*** does speed have to do with gravity? gravity affects everything equally.

if you have to much speed gravity can take its effect

too

^ I remember from elementary physics at uni that travelling near light speed you experience time dilation / space contraction etc, but I can't recall it effecting gravity?

I think massive amounts of gravity are supposed to have a time dilation effect. I've read that somewhere, I could be spouting complete bulls***.

It happened on Stargate SG-1, anyway.

The guy was saying basically at high speed comsmic particles will travel right through the earth not having enough time to affect it, but at the low speeds of the lhc they will stay on earth and do bad s***, now this is probably bulls*** but that's what he is saying.

I have an LHC in my pants if anyone is looking for a good time...

(i wonder what insults this opens me up to)

more lhc == satan's stargate?

i'll get my crowbar ready

This is all well and good, except for two things, which make CERNs argument fundamentally flawed. CERN say that cosmic rays with equivelant energy to that of the LHC smash into the earth and moon all the time and have done so over billions of years without any consequence whatsoever, thus making the LHC harmless. Cosmic rays travel too fast to be captured by earths gravity. The Collider particles, however, smash head on like a car crash and can be captured by the earths gravity, and the laws that govern relativity predict mico black holes would therefore not decay.

Bzzt. Wrong. Cosmic rays hit the earth all the time. Doesn't matter that they don't get affected much by Earth's gravitational pull, since they still manage to smack into things. A collision 100,000,000 times more energetic than the sort that will happen at the LHC burnt a hole in a radio satellite dish in the early 90s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-high-energy_cosmic_ray

Secondly, the theory that a hypothetical black hole would evaporate due to Hawking Radiation is also flawed, as there is no evidence to suggest that Hawking Radiation exists, let alone works. Lets look at the following quotes which have been compiled for the readers consideration: ...

Who cares. The law of mass/energy conservation still applies here, as does the one about the strength of a gravitational field based on the amount of mass/energy present. Even if the BH doesn't evaporate, it still will be about as gravitationally destructive as a mosquito.

I got the countdown form the following link

http://www.lhcountdown.com/?p=1

im gonna be in my basement with a shotgun waiting to fight off the hordes of demons flocking out of the hellgate.

hordes of demons never flock, the preference is to lurk, then once unleashed, rampage. flocking is for seagulls ;D

What about sataicic seagulls ? or ghoulish geckos !

they can get flocked!

The counter on the countdown website has reset again ...apparently there is a cool down or something happening at LHC. Oh well suppose we have to wait another 30 days till the end of the world lol

might ues this to see how many times i can get laid before we all die...

I'm posting this from the alternative quantum universe.

might ues this to see how many times i can get laid before we all die...

OH god ...why didn't I think of that earlier .... if you don't mind Im going to use that too :)

i wouldn't get too excited.. if you need to use that for a pickup line, chances are your not getting laid anyway...

ask them if they want to ride your Large hardon collider?

i wouldn't get too excited.. if you need to use that for a pickup line, chances are your not getting laid anyway...

ask them if they want to ride your Large hardon collider?

LOL and LOL

Reviving an old thread.

Latst update on this beast:

The Large Hadron Collider is entering the final stages of being lowered to a temperature of 1.9 Kelvin (-271C; -456F) - colder than deep space.

The LHC has thousands of magnets which will be maintained in this frigid condition using liquid helium.

The magnets are arranged in a ring that runs for 27km through the giant tunnel.

Once the LHC is operational, two particle beams - usually consisting of protons accelerated to high energies - will be fired down pipes running through the magnets.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7512586.stm

apparently the Catholics are experimenting with the Jedi order now.


sad times ahead people


sorry - had to do it :P

ask them if they want to ride your Large hardon collider?

Haaa hahahahaha

I love it how the world can blow 8.5 Billion Dollars on a science project while people are starving and s*** in africa.

I love it how the world can blow 8.5 Billion Dollars on a science project while people are starving and s*** in africa.

why send money there? they cant help themselves.

Are you suggesting they accelerate tomatoes to near light speed and aim them at ethiopia?

why send money there? they cant help themselves.

Yeah, so do a food token type deal, go over there and build s***. Eh the LHC is freaking cool, and theres about a million things that we could do without that we still have, and its not like im going to give up my LCD TV or my life savings etc to help some random person in Africa. It was just a thought :)

if we gave food to the starving people the world would be more f***ed up and over populated then it already is.

yer but we gave them guns and they still don't finish each other right, fkn sigh :|

meanwhile giving to 3rd world countries gets owned by the dictatorship neway :\

guys, we'll be able to make universes, they can just eat one

Wonder what sort of condensate you get when you get a tomato that closer to 0k.