Ecstasy

Have to thank Plecostomus for letting us know about this.

Anyway, that link has an excellent doco about the history of it and goes into detail why it's become the biggest party drug and why it was originally used. Even if you think E's are good or bad this doco is f***ing great.

There's one catch, you'll need Real Player to watch it plus you have to stream it off the site. Maybe someone here knows a way of downloading it. Also it's about 40 minutes long.

So yeah, excellent doco and it's also done by ABC television in the US so it's not some one sided pillfreak ranting on how good pills are.

8-)

i think sometimes you guys forget theyre illegal :/

40 minutes :(

real player :(

last edited by epi. at 20:01:34 30/Jul/04

lots of things are illegal

the abc in australia had one of the best docos on pills ive ever watched (the whats your poison series)

id really like to watch this, but real player is just so dirty

ill do my own experiments! (quite possibly at GT on tuesday nite at the empire)

Well if you watch this you'll find out why they were made illegal. It's because the US government are tards.

Real Player is excellent now.

Also, look at our postcounts Spook. JINX!!!

8-)

last edited by Reverend Evil at 20:03:26 30/Jul/04

Real Player is excellent now.

oh hell no

haha, nice one rev!

oooh, mines bigger now

And im bigger yet... :)

RealPlayer, hmm, considering it.
BAH!

i think sometimes you guys forget theyre illegal :/

How does your big mac taste?

tasty

i think sometimes you guys forget theyre illegal :/

Are they?

seems to be the most objective approach to the subject ive seen so far. a very interesting watch imo, and well worth installing the gheyness that is realplayah

lol @ mooby

lucky tourist >:(

Hahaha realplayer... no seriously hahaha. *wipes tear from eye*

Next you'll be telling me that quicktime is AWESOME. HAHA.

When it comes to streaming stuff off the net it kicks the ass outta Media Player. I don't see what the problem is with it. It used to be s*** but the Real One Player is heaps better. Anyway, you lose.

yeah it's come a long way, it looks f***ing impressive now.
If you hate real (who wouldnt)then use realplayer alternative

lol I came home on Tuesday from interstate trip my brother has got the dreaded 'RealPlayer10GOLD' on the desktop FFS.
Yucky

Realplayer is full of spyware/whatever the hell it is they put on now. f***, everything is full of spyware :(.

Real Player is excellent now.

What next? 10 guys taking you up the arse repeatedly will be good too?

It's because the US government are tards.

But it of course wouldn't have anything to do with the harmful effects of the substance, no, not at all...

Of course, we know the next step is the alcohol bandwagon, but we also already know alcohol is dangerous in excessive amounts, which by any token -ANY- substance is, including air and water.

They are all with their problems, but, illicit substances generally have immediate and potentially life-threatening biological implications on our bodies at the level where it has having any 'effect' on us, which is the problem.
I'm no scientist or whatever but AFAIK Alcohol doesn't have anywhere near as severe an effect on Body Temperature regulation as E does (as an example)... Then again, Alcohol doesn't -have- to be taken to those levels to get something from it, whereas other illicit drugs have to be taken to a 'dangerous' level to get anything from them.

We'd probably prefer to see a community running around on E than Alcohol, we'd probably just hug each other to death instead of beating each other to death =)
But because of the health risks, it's not going to happen =)

last edited by Loki at 23:55:42 30/Jul/04

*shrugs.
the young ppls will always need some way to rebel.

Err, whats so rebellious about it?

Im assuming your making statments about things youve never tried, or even have half a clue about

Unless rebel = fun?
:)

Err, whats so rebellious about it?

Im assuming your making statments about things youve never tried, or even have half a clue about

Unless rebel = fun?
:)

The only problem is you pretend it's 100% safe, it's not.
If you wish to be ignorant, than by all means, please do, but do not preach to others that because nothing has happened to you that it is 100% safe.
It may not be the worlds most potentially dangerous narcotic, but no substance, including alcohol, is 100% -safe-.

last edited by Loki at 00:02:59 31/Jul/04

The only problem is you pretend it's 100% safe

Nah.

last edited by Hemerage at 00:08:52 31/Jul/04

your the one assuming Heme.
assuming that rebelling is bad is probably your first mistake.
i guarantee your parents thought they were hard core listening to elvis or the beatles.
admittedly neither were terrible for your health or in most cases illegal, but they represented a good time their parents would frown upon.
ps just cos it's fun, doesnt make it ok.

ive said it before... 20years they will be legal and sold in blister packs

loki, no one here is trying to say that eccies are safe, or that eccies are safer than alcahol, or that we should legalise eccies!!!

so take ur ill-informed crap elsewhere

its just an interesting doco that may help some ppl put it all into perspective

ive said it before... 20years they will be legal and sold in blister packs

You really believe that? The war on drugs has been going on for what, a century? In 20 years they will have vaccinations that make you immune from the effects of drugs, will they make them mandatory?

It could really go either way imo.

War on Drugs, hehe

so take ur ill-informed crap elsewhere

Whatever helps you sleep at night.
I don't know -that- much, but I know enough about the effects and the s*** people go through when things go wrong and how we have to deal with those people, I've seen and heard enough of it through QAS and University to know that I don't want to touch the stuff...

If that's unedcuated, then, ok dude.
Don't see what you're defending, I only pointed out that it's not okay to tell people who are considering taking the narcotic for the first time that it's perfectly safe, as I've seen people argue on here many times before.

Or perhaps you missed my comment at the end of my first post that was in jest, either way, rage on Nat, Rage on.. Don't mind if I grab some popcorn while I sit back and watch you fire up over nothing at all do you?

last edited by Loki at 02:12:30 31/Jul/04

i like quicktime

War on Drugs

man, that's an awesome song. Sundissential 3, Disc Two.

"Real Alternative" is the best software. It's not bulky, no spyware, an looks like good ol media player classic (before it became gay an had borders 20 feet wide)

either way, rage on Nat, Rage on..

hang on mate, i was only trying to put out the fire that you seemed intent on starting...

hang on mate, i was only trying to put out the fire that you seemed intent on starting...

Of course, the word "mate" makes you seem infinitesimally more 'mature' and the bigger person, but go back, read my first post. If I was starting a huge debate I wouldn't have put the last comment and I would have put alot more facts and actually attacked your prEciousssss without such generalised sweeping statements, and someone else besides you would have said something.

I'll let you get back to your "ill-informed" posts.

last edited by Loki at 10:42:06 31/Jul/04

f***ing hell, read whatever you will into my posts loki, i choose to leave this argument now.

moron.

I win, you lose.

Ta ta, thanks for playing Virtual Fishing

ffs be considerate nat... loki is having girl problems at the moment... didn't you see all the threads here and on ocau?

ffs be considerate nat... loki is having girl problems at the moment... didn't you see all the threads here and on ocau?

Man, it's pretty dry today isn't it boxhead, not many fish biting, must be the bait you're using =)

last edited by Loki at 11:00:46 31/Jul/04

I don't know -that- much, but I know enough about the effects and the s*** people go through when things go wrong and how we have to deal with those people, I've seen and heard enough of it through QAS and University to know that I don't want to touch the stuff...

Ive seen it effect a whoolllee shiiitload of people!
Different people handle it different ways.
Some people have addictive personalities or cant control themselves. There are also people who get next to no side effects after taking it. Youve gotta take it for the right reasons. Not, im feeling bad...ill have an e, WRONG, itll make you worse!
Every now and then, it seems ok for some people. I do uni and would rather be able to think striaght :) Sure alot of people are able to think perfectly fine the day after, but then there are others who cannot, i dont wanna risk being the other who cannot! (Hey, who knows maybe on holidays! 8-))

Ive seen a few people who can control their intake, and not let it affect their lives, and for them thats totally ok, and i say all the power to them!

It can on a rather off chance do far worse [permanent serious dibilitating effects] than anything ya listed there Fire. It's more to do with underlying problems that people have that trigger when taking E, and also any other drug. But nonetheless that's probably the worst risk factor with E and not a great big deal of a chance of it happening either, you're screwed if it does though. =|

last edited by Loki at 11:15:28 31/Jul/04

X - T - C

Ive seen a few people who can control their intake, and not let it affect their lives, and for them thats totally ok, and i say all the power to them!

nice one brah!

I've tried e's once and didn't like them. Wont bother taking them again.

LIES

dAnce spook Dance !

Of course, we know the next step is the alcohol bandwagon, but we also already know alcohol is dangerous in excessive amounts, which by any token -ANY- substance is, including air and water.

nice... errr.. logic? so coz you know alcohol is dangerous in excessive amounts... air & water are too? thats bulls***. how can having excessive amounts of air hurt you? & water is only dangerous if you are drowning in it!
also, real player IS much better than it used to be, it can be installed without spyware & most of the junk if you are careful... its just that the lossy compression of the format is still crap quality.

Ive seen a few people who can control their intake, and not let it affect their lives, and for them thats totally ok, and i say all the power to them!

only a few people? you must have some weak friends if thye let pills run their life, generally everyone i know that does them, only do it when they go out ect..

This was posted a while ago I think, either here or some other forum.. which in no way meansI am saying this is old.. the more educated people out there, the better!
Anyway, I have a ~350mb DivX of that doco.. got it off BT "Peter_Jennings_Reporting-Ecstasy_Rising_WABC_01_04_2004_DIVX.avi".
It's much better having that copy then the streaming bulls***.. because you can educate mates aswell :) So I recommend trying to find the torrent and getting it!

only a few people? you must have some weak friends if thye let pills run their life, generally everyone i know that does them, only do it when they go out ect..

I dont purport to know everyone there is that does drugs. I however do know alot of people who do.
Only do when they go out?
What if they go out every weekend? or every 2?
How many?
How long are you high for?
What do you have to give up in order to have a good night (Oppourtunity Cost)? Could you stop if you really wanted to? Ever gone out deciding not to do anything then end up doing it?

Theres a f***load of factors. It may not SEEM like its f***ing ya life up, and it probably isnt. But theres no prove to the contrary! Everything in moderation :)

Also Loki:

It can on a rather off chance do far worse [permanent serious dibilitating effects] than anything ya listed there Fire. It's more to do with underlying problems that people have that trigger when taking E, and also any other drug. But nonetheless that's probably the worst risk factor with E and not a great big deal of a chance of it happening either, you're screwed if it does though. =|

Yeah ive heard/read all about it. Alot of it is scare tactices IMO. And i totally aggree, some people shouldnt do drugs...EVER.
But same deal about allergies as well, and probably a fair few other things i have forgotten about. (Diabetics and s***?)

edit: re-read, disclaimer: I do not claim to have read ALL about EVERYTHING to do with E or other drugs.

last edited by Fireblood at 13:14:58 31/Jul/04

And i totally aggree, some people shouldnt do drugs...EVER

On the flipside, NOBODY GIVE FIREBLOOD ALCOHOL!!

Eye, ss this stream the same as the one that went around a while ago, as the torrent? (assuming you watched the stream and realised...)

GOOGLE "REAL PLAYER ALTERNATIVE" and get it. YOU'LL THANK ME!

On the flipside, NOBODY GIVE FIREBLOOD ALCOHOL!!

That was ONCE!! :P
And it was vodka! :P

mongie, does it stream into MPC?
If so, rad.

yes.

E E E



No one here should try and justify exstacy use as 'safe', even users that count themselves relatively experienced. However, no one here should try to deny (especially that twat that's never tried pills) that there are ways you can take exstacy safely.

Keeping it to a once a month limit (harder than you think), taking it with people that you feel are responsible, looking out for your mates, only taking pills that are widely known as safe, getting a testing kit, taking it in safe dosages etc. all greatly decrease the risk to taking it.

I still firmly believe that the main risk exstacy poses is its 'gateway' effect. Once you start pilling, drugs like speed, cocaine and crystal meth all seem a little less dangerous and a LOT more inviting. Once you start hitting that s*** up you know you are taking big risks..they're the type of drugs that screw your life up big time..

air & water are too? thats bulls***. how can having excessive amounts of air hurt you?

5 entries found for hyperventilation.
hy·per·ven·ti·la·tion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (hpr-vntl-shn)
n.
Abnormally fast or deep respiration, which results in the loss of carbon dioxide from the blood, thereby causing a fall in blood pressure, tingling of the extremities, and sometimes fainting.

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4 entries found for hyponatremia.
hy·po·na·tre·mi·a ( P ) Pronunciation Key (hp-n-trm-)
n.
A deficiency of sodium in the blood.


Basically, Hypoatremia is when you replace too much of the bodies lost fluid with JUST water and not sodium (or salt), it causes inbalances which can lead to brain hemorrhaging and leaking of fluid into the lungs.
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Both have had reported incidences of death, and in fact, Hyponatremia is what has caused death from people on E funnily enough, because they get scared of not drinking enough water, they effectively overdose ON water [Dance all night and only replace the water].
I only know of one incidence that has happened whilst under the influence of E, but it has happened to Marathon runners as well...
That's why sports drinks replace the lost sodium as well.

And hyperventillation has also had reported incidences of death (people deliberately hyperventillating to pass out but actually cause cardiac arrest)

So in short, yes, both water and air can be lethal in excess, both are pretty extreme and not likely but still...

Well there you go, I don't know what more you want, but I wasn't bulls***ting, and I did state that both were unlikely in the first place.

last edited by Loki at 15:33:26 31/Jul/04

Early LSD tests on soldiers

I think it's like 10MB.

Keeping it to a once a month limit (harder than you think), taking it with people that you feel are responsible, looking out for your mates, only taking pills that are widely known as safe, getting a testing kit, taking it in safe dosages etc. all greatly decrease the risk to taking it.

Listen to that ^
And get some of these:

5-HTP
-Replaces seritonin, the doco said there was a 5% loss in seritonin levels of the brain, and that it was a problem. 5-HTP helps to replenish those levels
http://store.yahoo.com/clubnatural/cramrx.html
Pretty cheap, 25c a capsule, take 4 per time you take e, and you could possibly reduce brain damage :)

Also if you wanted to look into other vitamins there are HEAPS out there to help recovery, and reduce damage. Harm minimisation peoples!! Alpha Lopic Acid (Reduces free-radical damage), Vitamin B (replenish what is lost) and Vinpocetine (Increases blood flow, and aids memory, particularly good for pot users(I vote pot is worse for people functioning normally than e, f***s ya lungs, and has the image of being ok all the time))

Noone is saying E is safe, and it is not good for anyone! But there are ways to reduce damage.

Yeah ive heard/read all about it. Alot of it is scare tactices IMO.

Could be, the only real incidence I know of
[and I can't say for sure if it's true, it was however a first hand account from my tutor at university who is a practicing nurse]
was someone who had (we'll keep it simple here) a 'weak' spot in her brain so to speak, when she took E, it cause stress on the brain (I'm taking a guess due to the other changes in the body) and that part basically just gave out and hemorrhaged, she can now barely talk and cannot walk.
Apparently she was a really good looking young girl who had just finished her Diploma/Training as a hairdresser and went out to celebrate.

Like I said, that's the only real severe case that I know of and it was pretty much just a time-bomb waiting to go off and could have happened anytime, apart from the one death (there may have been more since then? I don't know?) that's it...

Anyways, like I said, it's not a huge risk, dunno what else is in that crap, so I'd rather just stay away from it knowing what can happen =)
Then again, probably have just as good a chance dying in a car accident, if not better, guess the difference is one is a matter of choice while the other isn't really [or at least one is a necessity in getting to things like work on time etc.].

last edited by Loki at 15:30:30 31/Jul/04

That's why sports drinks replace the lost sodium as well.

Actually thats cause they work on the principles of ORT.

IE, water is absorbed faster when it has NaCl and sucrose in it (due to Cl and sucrose co-transporters).

Nf - I'll take your word for it =)

I just assumed Sports Drinks had it for the principle of Hyponatremia.

See, I dont know -everything- =)
I'm only going off the top of my head of things I've learnt along the way, so I still might not be 100% correct on everything, if anybody has any med books and wants to do any research and correct me if I'm wrong that's cool =)

Great watch, very well done.

Yay for chomping bikkies :D

Gotta eat big to get big.

Could be, the only real incidence I know of
[and I can't say for sure if it's true, it was however a first hand account from my tutor at university who is a practicing nurse]
was someone who had (we'll keep it simple here) a 'weak' spot in her brain so to speak, when she took E, it cause stress on the brain (I'm taking a guess due to the other changes in the body) and that part basically just gave out and hemorrhaged, she can now barely talk and cannot walk.
Apparently she was a really good looking young girl who had just finished her Diploma/Training as a hairdresser and went out to celebrate.

ohhhh, there is also a few cases where people had underlying psychological problems. And the intense E "experience" brought it out of them. Big thing is, if you dont feel good then taking it isnt gonna help!

I take 5-HTP but I'm not an E user.

I just take it as it improves general mood and feeling of well being.

Heme, I didn't start watching the streaming.. but i'm assuming based on the link looked veryyyy similar to the orginal crappy streaming link I used ages ago.

An annurism could be triggered by a rave. Probably less to do with the E, more to do with dancing for hours, getting a bit dehydrated and the higher blood pressure.

hot dog...

3 things...

1 you can save streams... google leads the way...

2 eccy is bad mmm k

3 20000/1000 4 u

Here's my opinion. From the viewpoint of someone who doesn't indulge in most illicit drugs on a regular basis, if at all.
DISCLAIMER: Some of my claims regarding the doco may be a little off, as I haven’t watched it for aaaaaaages! So forgive me, and correct me :)

I once had the view that taking ecstasy would be like taking a suicide pill. Destroying you, your brain.. Hello Mr. Vegetable.
For the last.. Year or so.. Some of my mates have been indulging. Which exposes me to firsthand proof you will not instantly die from taking an pill.
1.. 2... 3... 4.. Whatever many days later.. They hadn’t changed.. Still fully function human beings, keeping in mind they would of had a fkn awesome time whilst indulging!
I then saw that Doco.. And without putting too much faith into a documentary.. It showed me a s***load about the history of MDMA, original uses, the progression.. And most importantly.. The effects of it. Effects being ~5% loss of serotonin. Which, according to the German experiment showed signs of returning after the drug has not been taken for 2-3 months.

The other risk.. Getting a bad pill I guess. That part is entirely up to the consumer.. Whether they have a 'trustworthy' source and whether they test it. I'd be interested to know if there are any other ways of avoiding bad pills.

At the end of the day, this generation are guinea pigs..

That's why there are field test kits.

:)

I dunno about this but I just get this feeling that because E's toy with your seratonin levels that with repeated use it will greatly increase your chances of getting alzheimer's over a long peroiod of time. As it seems to help with alzheimer's affected patients. My 2 cents.

last edited by Tollaz0r! at 09:50:42 01/Aug/04

Serotonin is vital to a healthy mind and body... having it fluctuate wildly can cause a lot of things to happen in your brain (well I guess if you're taking pills from people you don't know, your grey matter is a bit lacking so maybe it won't make much difference).

That's why there are field test kits.

Yeah cause they can test for every known chemical maens! /sarcasm

Seriously, you are fooling yourselves if you think buying pills from some dodgy disco dropkick is safe - buying homemade backyard drugs is one of the stupidest things a person can do. I like drinking, a lot, but there is no way in hell I would be moonshine, f*** I wouldn't even buy homebrew. There's a reason why alcohol production, particularly production of spirits is highly regulated - you could either kill someone, give them brain damage or send them blind.

last edited by sikgem at 09:57:26 01/Aug/04

Effects being ~5% loss of serotonin. Which, according to the German experiment showed signs of returning after the drug has not been taken for 2-3 months.

mmmm 5-htp :)

Hunter: Haha, Fireup! How about this: you do what you want, and ill do what I want, so FYAD :)

Actually, maybe you should read something first:
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_faq_testing_kits.shtml (if an admin doesn't want it here, feel free to nuke it)

If ecstasy wasn't illegal and had no known side affects I bet people wouldn't be whinging about them.

had no known side affects

Theres plenty "known" side effects, proven side effects on the other hand ;)

STUPID GOVERNMENT CONSPIRACIES!

The point I'm making is not whether the drug itself is harmful or harmless - the point is that you have NO IDEA exactly what is in a given pill unless you take it to a laboratory and put it through a barrage of tests - its patently ridiculous to think you can obtain a full chemical analysis of a pill on the spot using a simple disposable kit...

Here's some information frm that site you posted:

A chemical reaction will happen between the liquid reagent and some of the more common chemicals found in ecstasy pills...

...The kit can identify whether a substance does not contain the presence of ecstasy-like substances (MDMA, MDA, MDE) through lack of reaction. The test kits can not positively identify that a pill contains ecstasy. It can not differentiate between the MD* chemicals nor tell you how much of these are in a pill. There is a growing belief that 'bunk' ecstasy producers are including a small amount of Marquis-positive chemicals to 'fool' the tests.

Oh and I see that the kits contain another "nice" chemical, Formaldehyde:

Formaldehyde (the secondary ingredient) is a known carcinogen in humans which has been linked to nasal and lung cancer and with possible links to brain cancer and lukemia. Formaldehyde exposure can irritate the eyes and mucus membranes if vapors come into contact with the eyes.

So not only does the kit not identify every known chemical (because that would be virtually impossible with such a simple kit) but it also uses carcinogenic and caustic substances. Good stuff. I'll remember that when I down my next beer, safe in the knowledge, that it is in fact beer and that I don't need a special kit containing nasty chemicals to tell me this.

Basically, do what you want - I don't care how you get your kicks as long as you don't harm anyone else, but please don't try and tell me its safe when its quite obvious to even blind freddy that it is fraught with danger.

last edited by sikgem at 12:56:29 01/Aug/04

I think i had weed laced with some f***ed up s*** like cocaine or something i was so f***ed off my brain...

My favorate part of that doco was seeing those cowboy rednecks square dancing off their heads.

So not only does the kit not identify every known chemical (because that would be virtually impossible with such a simple kit) but it also uses carcinogenic and caustic substances. Good stuff. I'll remember that when I down my next beer, safe in the knowledge, that it is in fact beer and that I don't need a special kit containing nasty chemicals to tell me this.

They take a scraping of the said pill...therefore they dont consume the chemical.

Effects being ~5% loss of serotonin. Which, according to the German experiment showed signs of returning after the drug has not been taken for 2-3 months

As was said, 5-htp helps boost your levels back up so you aren't depleted in the coming days after you dropped

...The kit can identify whether a substance does not contain the presence of ecstasy-like substances (MDMA, MDA, MDE)

.. and PMA, Ketamine, Amphetamines, DXM, 2C-B .. and heaps more (theres like 20 more specifics you can gauge from)

Oh and I see that the kits contain another "nice" chemical, Formaldehyde

Whats your point?
You don't touch it or drink it, so why give a f***?

I think i had weed laced with some f***ed up s*** like cocaine or something i was so f***ed off my brain...

But was it fun? :)

I know that - but the fact is you're still using toxic and caustic chemicals to test it! The formaldehyde will give off toxic fumes and I would not like to breath it in (it is carcinogenic).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formaldehyde

You use 1 drop...
I bet you're inhaling so so much!

Enjoy those cigars/ciggies much Hunter?
Breathing in nasties, no way

your worried about toxic fumes...and you drive a gemini? :| j/k

I think i had weed laced with some f***ed up s*** like cocaine or something i was so f***ed off my brain...

Na... just doesn't happen. Either just REALLY strong bud or some fly-spray weed.

But was it fun? :)

Yes it was f***en fun as, i was wasted for so f***en long. Best bud ever.

...and thats all that matters kids!

Touche hemerage, touche... yes I enjoy cigars... but I don't go around telling everyone how wonderfully safe it is (cause its not really).

cocaine doesnt make u go "f***ed off your brain" it just numbs you...

nice feeling

i did feel numb, i sat on this girls balcony for a couple of hours and smoked a whole pack of smokes. hah.

cocaine doesnt make u go "f***ed off your brain" it just numbs you...

nice feeling

Cocaine can indeed get you "f***ed off your brains" quite easily.

Also, people do not lace weed, it does not make any sense? Why take the s***tiest/cheapest drug and mix it with something much more profitable to sell on it's own. Then you got the actual problem of lacing it, assuming cocaine hcl is NOT active (or it is in the most minute amounts) when smoked, and cocaine freebase (crack) does not dissolve in water.

So beats me how and why you would get cocaine weed.

last edited by CHUB at 13:50:55 01/Aug/04

ok chub...

drug guru to the stars

i never said it WAS cocaine, i'm just saying i think it was laced with some other hard out drug or it was just a f***en strong bud.. meh either way it was good.

Well I like real facts when it comes to drugs and not misinformation... when people go around saying "Cocaine just makes you numb" or "I got f***ed up on cocaine weed" I feel the need to correct them.

Education is the key.

i never said it WAS cocaine, i'm just saying i think it was laced with some other hard out drug or it was just a f***en strong bud.. meh either way it was good.

I wasn't flaming you or anything, I was just pointing out that people lacing weed basically nevers happens (unless it's fly-spray or raid... something along those lines) just to clear it up, so when people say that next time people won't automatically believe them.

last edited by CHUB at 13:56:55 01/Aug/04

Alright dude..

the only thing i have heard weed laced with is...

hash
cement powder
meth

coke is too mellow a drug to have it mixed with dope... you would just waste the effects of the coke...

and considering how much more pricy coke is over dope... i doubt you would find dope laced with coke...

Mellow coke-heads? Does not compute..
I've only spoken to a few when on it, but theyve been CHARGIIIIIIIN! :D

But I know 0 about coke..

last edited by Hemerage at 14:05:59 01/Aug/04

if they were charging... then either

1. they didnt have enough

2. they were on something else

its more of an internal feeling of relaxation

numbs your arms and legs and you just feel like sitting and chilling...

its not even a good idea to drink when you take coke...

crack is different though... i'm talking normal coke

if they were charging... then either

1. they didnt have enough

2. they were on something else

its more of an internal feeling of relaxation

numbs your arms and legs and you just feel like sitting and chilling...

its not even a good idea to drink when you take coke...

crack is different though... i'm talking normal coke

You must be thinking of someone else... the CNS stimulant effects of cocaine/crack don't produce feelings of relaxtion, your heart should be beating so fast it feels like it's going to burst out of your chest, you'll be energetic, talking s*** (most likely really arrogant) and if you're a newer user fidgeting/twitching along with a variety of annoying side-effects.

Cocaine/crack puts your whole CNS under MUCH more pressure then methamphetamine/mdma(ecstasy), and you can't tell me they produce feelings of relaxtion.

It's fine to mix cocaine/crack with alcohol, although it does put your liver and various body parts under additional stress. Cocaine and alcohol are metabolized in the liver into cocaethylene, which is a stimulant but with less edge then cocaine and more "mellower".

Wow hunter, I’m surprised how you didn't just flame me :).

Stupid people do stupid things on alcohol; stupid people do stupid things on E(people that dont think about limits). Check out: http://www1.enoughisenough.com.au/ for alcohol related problems. You may not be one of the people contributing to these but imagine if alcohol was banned because of the stupid people that do these things under the influence of alcohol.

At least people are using a field tests to minimize harm, you can't say it’s completely useless. At least you won’t end up with Ketamine instead of MD**. Field test kits are only one way to minimise harm. Being physically fit and preloading/postloading (supplying your body with vitamins/serotonin i.e. 5-HTP, Magnesium, Vitamin C etc. to avoid serotonin depletion etc.) will dampen the side effects of MD**. Anyone with the brains to ensure there safety wouldn't be stupid enough to take E all the time (because that will definitely do damage)

The test kits do contain formaldehyde and sulphuric acid. That's why in the paragraph above the one you quoted explains the importance of safety and careful handling of the test kits.

I do believe you’re correct in saying that people shouldn't say how harmless it is, but then again people shouldn't say how harmful it is either. I think people tend to exaggerate the harm it does, and if you are very worried about doing harm to your body I’d stop indulging in ciggies and alcohol :P. I think it's ok if people do whatever they do as long as it’s not harming anyone else.


last edited by FlyingLlama at 14:38:28 01/Aug/04

and you can't tell me they produce feelings of relaxtion.

i just did...

also i'm not saying not to drink and have coke...

just that its unwise because the beverage will undermine the subtle effects of the coke...

before you say otherwise have some then tell me otherwise

i just did...

also i'm not saying not to drink and have coke...

just that its unwise because the beverage will undermine the subtle effects of the coke...

before you say otherwise have some then tell me otherwise

You're talking s***, sorry. I don't see how anyone can class one of the strongest CNS stimulants as "relaxing". The majority of people will be coked out, talking s***, charging around and then suffer a very unpleasant comedown.

Relaxtion++

u read too much

get out in the real world more...

u read too much

get out in the real world more...

Well don't go talking about s*** you don't know, either pull your head out of your ass or stop spreading misinformation.

i'm talking from experiance... your talking through your ass...

i'm telling you what its like in the real world...

so get a clue f***tard

werd superform I agree coke is hell relaxing, especially compared to ampetamines.

Coke clears the mind.

seriously dudes, don't listen to the typical 'your pill might be laced with something toxic' line.


the drug dealing business is so tight these days profit-wise...it would just be stupid for your dealer to sell you an unhealthy pill unless they were wanting to harm/kill you..the less punters willing to buy your gear the less profit you start making...


also, word of mouth is generally the best and safest way to determine the safety of pills. through sites like http://www.pillreports.com and other punters you can determine what is good around brissie at a particular time..eg. everyone was buzzing about the blue smilies/blue skies that were floating around about a month ago.


and although it probably goes without saying...don't ever buy from someone you don't know/has a bit of a shady reputation. the horror stories you hear about pills being laced from ratsack and s*** are all brain dead ppl that buy gear from dealers in toilets at clubs/parties etc. even though 99% of this gear is perfectly fine for consumption, you can always come across bad pills that can be harmful.

blue smilies/blue skies

:)~

last edited by Hemerage at 19:18:13 01/Aug/04

I was never interested in E, but after watching that doco I am now...:/

See you at the Family i guess :D

McBuff....

Time Tunnel - Tuesday 10th August @ The Arena

:D

I could lead a complete Christian life-style, walk out of my house on my way to church on a Sunday morning, and get run over by an incompetant drunk driver......... Or hugged by someone tripping on E. I know which i'd rather (in the most hetro way possible :P).
Nothing in life is safe.. the key is to take every precaution possible.
Honestly.. the next beer you drink Hunter, could contain brake fluid.. it could contain petrol.. it could contain any number of things.. but you are putting your trust into the manufacture's of said product to test batches vigerously. But, as every body knows.. its possible through either machine or human error, something could of found its way into your drink, allthough chances are very small, its possible.

At the end of the day, everybody has their choise of poison. Some people smoke, some drink, some trip. It's their body, their life, their money. All you can do is worry about your own life, and make decisions accordingly :D

could lead a complete Christian life-style, walk out of my house on my way to church on a Sunday morning, and get run over by an incompetant drunk driver......... Or hugged by someone tripping on E.

Yeah... and people driving on pills never kill anyone hey?

At the end of the day, everybody has their choise of poison. Some people smoke, some drink, some trip. It's their body, their life, their money. All you can do is worry about your own life, and make decisions accordingly :D

So you have that same opinion about all drugs? Should people be free to smoke crack and shoot heroin?

/just stimulating discussion

Eye, 'Es' dont make you trip... (not talking about MDA etc, nor is he I bet)

last edited by Hemerage at 22:43:02 01/Aug/04

MDMA dose have a pyscadelic component, and it is entirely possible to get closed and open eye visuals off really large doses... doesn't happen that often though.

MDA on the other hand :D:D:D

Large, yes, I know
But he's not talking about that is he :)

could lead a complete Christian life-style, walk out of my house on my way to church on a Sunday morning, and get run over by an incompetant drunk driver......... Or hugged by someone tripping on E.

Yeah... and people driving on pills never kill anyone hey?

Erm, I didn't say that at all. It was an example, of what COULD happen. Switch around the word drunk and the letter E if you really want. You obviously missed the entire point anyway.

So you have that same opinion about all drugs? Should people be free to smoke crack and shoot heroin?

Aslong as it doesn't directly, or indirectly affect my life or anybody I care about, I couldn't honestly give a s*** what crackheads do to their mind and body.

Eye, 'Es' dont make you trip...

Sigh.. Buzzing? Googling? Offtap? All of those words mean, in one way or another, that a person is affected by something. I wasn't exactly trying to win awards via my description of somebody affected by Ecstasy.

last edited by Eye at 23:00:26 01/Aug/04

While on the subject of e's I thought this might be funny. I stole this link off inthemix.com but if your up for a bit of a read this s*** will crack you up.

http://www.truthaboutrave.com/

f*** this, I'm throwing away my current lifestyle and heading off to the confession box.

BBL

But giving a description which is regarding a different substance .. made it unclear :)

But giving a description which is regarding a different substance .. made it unclear :)

You are correct, and for that unclear statement, I apologise!
What is the correct terminology for each drug then, as a matter of interest?

Hahah, good link :)

Just wondering, have the "Say NO to G" stickers made it up to Brisbane raves/clubs yet?

Which of you guys have had a 'bad' experience from e, or know someone directly who has? Just out of interest.

MDMA = rolling, chopped, peaking

That's what's used around here :) "Trip" or "tripping" are exclusively reserved for things such as LSD/Mushrooms/DMT :D

I've had plenty of bad experiences from MDMA, nothing serious or fatal, but unpleasant. That being said, if you start low and work your way up, nothing should go wrong :)

last edited by CHUB at 23:16:44 01/Aug/04

MDMA = rolling, chopped, peaking

That's what's used around here :) "Trip" or "tripping" are exclusively reserved for things such as LSD/Mushrooms/DMT :D

Fair enough!
I guess there's a bit of lingo diffrence between QLD and SA.. or simply its because everyone hangs around diffrent people, and every group of people have their own words/phrases. As I said, around here the terms Buzzing, Googling etc are used when someone has dropped! That said, nice to know some cross-group lingo ;D

drugs are bad mmmm'kay.

http://images.southparkstudios.com/media/images/614/614_image_20.jpg

comedy!

drug f***ed tossers of the qgl boards, heed the words of Mr. Mackey, mmmmk.

i smoke, so i won't preach that ecstacy is bad for you

i think it's generally a bad idea to take these pills, but hey, people can do what the f*** they like to their bodies, as long as they aren't endangering other people

i've seen a couple qgl people on pills, and they were having a great night out. i know i certainly can't begrudge them of that, can you?

life is short, have some f***ing fun while you're in it because it's all you'll have =)

those of you who think it's a bad idea, that's good for you... just don't ram your hippy christian yankee attitude down the throats of the people you're trying to "save"

people are sheep, but they aren't stupid, they dont need YOU to tell them what's safe and what isn't

now if you'll excuse me i'll go shoot myself full of arsenic, because i have no f***ing clue just how dangerous it is

I think that's the best thing you ever said man :)

Which of you guys have had a 'bad' experience from e, or know someone directly who has? Just out of interest.

yarp, me and woman had some bad pills years and years ago

dunno what they were, but they were all high energy, HIGH ANIEXTY (in a big way)

affected wifey worse (obviosuly coz shes smaller), but was no biggie
rather than deal with things out, we just came home, tried to calm down, called a friend who came round and helped us relax and the next day we were right as rain

so, thats 1 (maybe there were more, but that was the worst, certainly the only time we've been worried) instance of bad pills in the years ive been using them (over 10 now)

ill also add that it was years ago, when the scene wasnt so big and the drugs werent cut as much as they were now, pills these days arent as strong as they used to be

noone i know has had a bad experiance on E...

although tripstasy and k bombs have f***ed some ppl up..

you just have to know what your getting... its not that hard...

I was just looking at 5-HTP. Apparently it is a precurser to Seratonin, and used widly as a way to combate seratonin-depletion related depression. Maybe if your not feeling any depression whist in between drops is because you medicate yourself with 5-htp :p

Also, what of the damage to the nerve endings of the seratonin receptive neurons? It is unknown if this damage is long lasting or permament?
Are you guys willing to take 5-htp for the rest of your life ? :P

Also arent pills regularly cut with speed and other bits'n'pieces and rarly pure MDMA, MDA, MDM, MDE?

last edited by Tollaz0r! at 09:56:19 02/Aug/04

^more letters please! :$

id like to buy a vowel please.

e or a?

a thanks.

id like to solve the puzzle, lysergic acid diethylamide

congratulations, you have won an all expenses trip to your cerebral cortex!

Also arent pills regularly cut with speed and other bits'n'pieces and rarly pure MDMA, MDA, MDM, MDE?

Generally, good pills will either come with MDMA, MDMA/Meth or if you search around MDA pills.

People think that MDMA will have them up on the dance floor, charging around... but the majority of people that take a good pill (meaning MDMA only) will be totally off faced, couched locked and loved up. A lot (dare I say majority) of pills these days are cut with methamphetamine, giving the user more "bang for their buck", keep them up all night. Meth gives them the energy to dance non-stop for hours, and it's got a very long duration compared to MDMA.

People often get pissed off when they get a proper pill (MDMA only), and they refer to them as "smacky" because they're stuck on there ass and not up on the dance floor.

I don't know if this post makes any sense... I'm also not saying that a MDMA pill won't get you up dancing, it affects everyone differently, but you can definetely tell a proper MDMA only pill from one cut with some meth.

Hmm :)