Well I don't know about the rest of you but CS this time for me just didn't appear to be the "game of the weekend" as it normally is. I mean sure there were alot of teams in the competition including SAS, MP, FD and the such but the heart wasn't there... no one seemed to really care anymore?

My question is ... If CS starts to die then will less ppl come to the LANS? If my theory is correct, looking at the turn out on saturday I'd say it didn't make a difference and ppl just come cuz QGL is the shiz .. and to see me of course.

Oh well what does everyone think? Is it finally the fall of CS and Half-Life related Mods? Will people finally look for something new?

Oh and one thing that sort of reinforced this theory for me was when I was talking to Deeper and he said "I didn't really care about the comp i didnt even play one of the matches"..... hmmm if deeper doesn't care im sure the rest of you can stop caring too :)

no, there is always d0d.... cs should be put on a new engine it is a good game and has the idea there jsut needs to be on a MUCH better engine... there isalways other games like fallouttactics,quake 3,max payne (lan?)

Mick everyone might of come to see you but I know you only come to see me.I could see that it was a thrill for you I'm just glad I could turn up and make your day. :)

DOD MOTHERf***ERS!

Strex, were you not playin it?

Yeah, i think CS is beginning to lose some popularity, but then again, i think Q3UT is gaining some. So i spose we'll just wait and see what happens :)

P.S. The lan rocked hardcore!!! =P

I haven't played CS for about 2 months, I have removed CS from my computer and I don't plan on restoring it :o) I haven't played any games for about 3 weeks come to think of it...

Were you at the LAN Taipan?

I asked Tung if you were there and he said no :(

I just get too frustrated with all the bulls*** playing cs. so i'm starting to get into UT which roxors :)

CS still rocks for me, i think if they made it with a new engine it would be like a new game, live on CS.

Counter what?

Yes FP I was at the lan but only on Saturday and I left at bout 7pm.I was taking my son to Movie world on Sunday so I couldn't stick around.

Who's that trog guy that keeps posting here?

Must think he has authority or something...sheesh.

:P

And yeh...most of us are losing interest in CS, but at the same time we gain interest in you Mick. :P

Maybe 1.3 will fix some of the bugs...if so, I might start playing it again.

DoD was great though - I've only ever played it a couple of times before, and that was my first time for 1.3. Is it very different to 1.2??

yeah, like 1.3 is going to fix anything.

hitbox bug still exists im told

and the desert eagle is more accurate apparently.

wooo, they are making cs gayer and gayer, and CPL is using it as their official game for tournaments.

stupid valve/gooseman.

CS has had its time. And its WAY overdue to get into a new mod. I mean ffs. What can you do, when clans feel the need they have to CHEAT at a LAN ffs. Its time to move onto a new MOD peeps, can't you hear DOD calling..

im not sure, but i can hear the doctors coming to take kaygen away. Then everyone will be happy, and their will be celebration. And Q3A will hold the crown once more =]

I think i need a white jacket.

DoD, i hate DoD, annoys the crap out of me, no offence.

Why? whats wrong with it in your opinion

just shutup about it ffs!!

hehehe :D

CS is dieing

mick, its time you finally found out, the only reason i come is for you.
seeing you walk in the door on friday took my breath away, my knees started to buckle, and i dont think it was because of the table i was carrying with term and saint going at it on top, you really are something special.

see ya around, chief.

Well, I've played DoD a bit, but for me, I know it's not the next game I want to play to a high level. For me it's just a bit of point and click fun, but I will probably play it a couple of times online before the next lan in 3 weeks. I've already uninstalled CS until the next lan, but I'll probably have to install it 'cause I'll have to play an ACA war online or something. As much as I hate it, I'm still yet to find a team-play game that I enjoy to replace it. I mean, I enjoy the game and the simple, straight forward objective style, but I get so frustrated by the cheats and the game bugs. I could write a 30,000 word document on every little bug that's in CS, but then again, most of those bugs also translate into DoD as well.

My stance on the matter is: as soon as a better, realistic, team-based modern combat game comes out, I'll move to that...

f*** CS. f*** DoD.

WOLFENSTIEN 3D IS THE s***!!!
YEAH, YOU HEARD ME BITCHES!!!

dod

dod is gay because poofs like Jim never stand up. He reminds me of the scared guy in war movies that hide in the trenches crying, to scared to do anything but army crawl...

muhahaha :D

Yer good idea. Stand up and get your f***ing head blow off

cool, I'll be sure to try and find other poofy things that help me get killed less, and annoy you more =]

f***in CS...anyone see me at the LAN?? I was the guy with the orange wrist band on and a sticker on my computer :)

the poofiest thing of all, is when people charge at you shooting (specially allied light fags) then when you see them and shoot, they drop to the ground like homos.

i just try to activate bullet-dodge combos, and fail miserably

Day Of Defeat is a little too easy, and repetitive.
You spawn, go out, shoot someone, kill them with one bullet, then get killed yourself by a sniper 4 kilometers away. then respawn again far away from your team.
It's a little mundane.


CS is a great game. It's done better than it's competitors, but the cheats and people who play it really make it dissapointing.
It's still my favourite game at lans and stuff.

I have high hopes about the next PunkBuster to be released, and hope that cheats have been fixed for cs1.3.

I will go and play beta5.2 which shouldn't have too many cheatings fag0ts on it.

I don't get it - if you're getting shot by a sniper 4km's away, how can you say it's easy?

I'm also interested in how respawning isn't less mundane than dying, and not respawning - but instead, waiting for the round to finish.

True. And it is a 'war theme'd ' Game. Of course you can't run out in the open cause of snipers. If you don't like it don't play it. Too many ppl look for 'arcady' games. If there is ever an option in an FPS for a "class" as a sniper you should KNOW not to run out in the middle of an open space, i'm not saying that snipers only aim for open spaces but yer.

Dod foreva :P CS sux :P

Did CaPtO just say that CS sux? hehe =P\

Yeah DOD's allirhgt, i even went to the trouble of starting a CS beta5.2 server yet nobody bothered to join :(

I don't get it - if you're getting shot by a sniper 4km's away, how can you say it's easy?

Because it's easy for you to kill someone. Easy for someone to kill you too.
Easy to die as well.

I'm also interested in how respawning isn't less mundane than dying, and not respawning - but instead, waiting for the round to finish.

because it's so simplistic and brainless.
"oh i died... DOESN'T MATTER!!! I'm back!"
that's why it's mundane, cos it's no challenge.
Waiting for the round to finish is not only a punishment, but an oppurtunity to recollect your thoughts study the play of the game, and prepare yourself to play smart. Not point'n'click killing like DOD.

triangle brackets
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but with dod you have to have your cursor on them to kll them, and when you do have your cursor on them you do kill them unlike cs bs

I sorta agree with Goa'uld. I found DoD bloody frustrating. The number of times I was fragged just as I was coming from the respawn point was vergin on the ridiculous and the snipers picked me off as soon as I got clear of the base - whether I was running, walking or crawling. And don't even get me started on the grenades...

Frankly I will never play DoD again if I can possibly avoid it. I'll stick with CS with it's BS hitboxes and whatnot in the hopes that they'll be patched because it is still fun.

Either that or I'll go back to Q3 or maybe give Urban Terror a whirl.

you guys should just duck and weave when you spawn :p

give those snip0rs a moving target hehehe

and Spawn camping is a valid tactic and should be allowed in wars (which I was told was not allwoed).

I rekon if someone has somehow managed to get to the other teams spawn point (in war its much harder) then good on em, stop that other team from advancing while the rest capture the flags :D

Toll, I was speaking to Obes today at work and apariently spawn camping is legit. WEe both agreed that it is a valid tatic. Because if 5 spawn a sniper can't take all 5. And also there are flags right beside some spawn points.

"and the snipers picked me off as soon as I got clear of the base"

s*** i would hate it if they didn't do their job

Tung, that's EXACTLY what Jim does, which is why I'm paying him out :)

I don't mind it to much if there wasn't bugs in going prone. Just like CS models who have no heads when they crouch, DoD has the same problem.

I once saw Jim come down a ladder prone - asif that wasn't the funniest thing ever :)

Haha, and BTW Jim, I get annoyed easily when it comes to games, so you probably won't find it too difficult :)

sif half-life engine 'duzzenroxj00'

ahhaahhhhhahha

Kaygen, the problem was practically every time I spawned I was dead within a few seconds. The only tactic I could use was to camp in a corner of the spawn and hopefully frag someone before they killed me.

Maybe it was just the particular map, but that strikes me as poor and not at all fun.

hitbox problems in cs?
Ausgamers is the only site i hear this crap.
I don't think there is anything wierd with the hitboxes. Apart from, when you crouch, your chest is partially covered by the arm and leg hitboxes.
The hitboxes are slightly larger than the player, but if you want, go get a larger player model to fill the hitboxes so you can see precisely where you are shooting.

You have a head when you crouch, that was fixed months ago.


Heh I also hate most DOD maps.
There is a saying: an infinite number of r_speeds in a warehouse with 1 computer and 1 monkey and you'll make a dod map
But seriously... some of the dod maps have outrageously high visibility regions. I'm surprised they don't crash half-life.

guys guys guys - we all know we're waiting for duke nukem forever to come out, and someone to make a CS like mod for it...

as opposed to "get in position and wait for my go".. it'd be "get yer ass where i can see it u wannabe pimp" or something to that extent!!

Goa'uld!, you are so clueless....
Test it for yourself and you will see that my point is proven.

AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT, CS IS TWICE AS GAY AS MICK!

:D

hehe those crouched head models have issues.

I've stood behind ( and in many other places) crouched people and shot there heads to find where the hitbox is. The Arctic Avenger seems to have the worst problem as the model is stooping foward slighty, which the hitboxes dont seem to take into account, so if standing to the side of him you can shoot clean through his forhead/noise area and shoot his 'head' if you aim just behind his hood thingi

I think you and i need to have a comp TBW DOA 2 on PS2 and i will bring TTagT next one aswell

Deeper... there was a server side patch released for it a while back on the official site.
Obviously if you did not download this, then you still have the problem if you try to host.
But if you connect to a server that has patched it, the problem is not there.

Well, most of the servers I've played on still have the problem.

I think DeePer would know a s***-load more about CS then you do, Goa'uld......

O yeah, Bring Tekken Tag. Its good to 0wn people in that too :p

And Soul Calibure :D

and sif that DOA 2 isnt the easiest fighting game I've played in a while hehehe. Made fun games though
Dynasty Warriors is good, but no good when multipal people wanna play on the PS2.

Was Red Faction good ? ( FPS on console generally suck, not game wise just controller wise )

f***pot, then why does he not know about the hit-box bug patch?
ding ding ding.

I know there was a hit-box patch. I also know that hit-box patch didn't fix it. I also know that it depends on certain weapons you use, which is even gayer.

die CS die.

I hear that DeePer guy is gay.
!!

You heard correct !
I love men!

I've heard that thos SAS guys have orgies with small animals and pvc pipes..

o and barbed wire too :p

No, that's just you toll, you gheybar.

i enjoyed the cs wars imensly,

when i first played urban terror i thought it was awesome and that i'd be happy to chang egames, but i got bored of it quickly, i dunno why, it just seems boring, i think the way oyour life is important in cs makes each round more unique and keeps it exciting rather than just dieign respawning and dieing and so on

also losers like [dkn]Yanzi who is the same person as[tpm]snoopy ruin it. get this, he dint' want anyone to knwo he was snoopy because he wanted to abuse people without fear of them beating his head in.... what a loser.

anyhow, as for dod, its way to lame, you can just be the biggest camping poof and get lots of frags because no one notices where you are and because tyhe guns are so accurat eand powerful, peopel ignore flags that would win the match just to camp, its so lame its not funny, dod is fun between friends when you all agree to play like men instead of f*****s.

i still don't see what people have agaisnt the hl engine, it does everythign it has to do to run cs, it isn't lackign in any respect, just because its not new anymore doesn't make it bad, stop carign so much about graphics, the graphics are still plenty good in my opinion, i don't think reflective srufaces, curved surfaces and lots of couloured lighting is going to add anything worthwhile to cs.

Oh of course. The ability to manipulate it and get cheats thats a great thing!! And you can even shoot through walls How f***ing cooL!! maybe it they took out the BS factor... oh wait you still want the mod around..... if they took out the shooting through the wall s*** and the get hit by grens when your around wall s*** it might be more upon skill that you win in CS

grenades through wals can be annoying yes, but what's wrong with shooting through walls kaygen? if i shoot at your house with an ak47 do you think you'll be safe so long as the front door is closed and all the windows are shut?

as for cheats, well you even acuse peoepl of cheating at a lan so i don't think you'lle ver be satisfied in that department.

ahah your so funny. I can't remember hearing myself accuse ANYONE at lans(since the RAC one, and theres no need to bulls*** on about that like you always seem to do). cause i know it never happens at qgl.. well until the qgl just gone. But i pity them more then anything. That they feel the need to do it. No Axis you are CORRECT about the wall thing with the bullets but the s*** about hitting through 2 and 3 fully BRICKED/CEMEMNTED walls. What a load of f***ed up s***

asif you didnt know yanzi was snoopy, duh.... :)

Because it's easy for you to kill someone. Easy for someone to kill you too.
Easy to die as well.

Yeah, ya get that with guns and bullets and humans

because it's so simplistic and brainless.
"oh i died... DOESN'T MATTER!!! I'm back!"

Oh, you meant 'For me, personally, it's mundane because, etc etc'

that's why it's mundane, cos it's no challenge.

If you're dying so easily and respawning so often, it sounds like you're having quite a challenge. Maybe you should try not dying. There's a challenge for ya.

Waiting for the round to finish is not only a punishment, but an oppurtunity to recollect your thoughts study the play of the game, and prepare yourself to play smart.

Nah, that's mundane

Actually, there was a person caught using the cheat at this qgl.

lol jim :P DoD foreva :P

DoD roxdme

asif DoD duzzenroxdj00

sif DoD doesn't have better physics than CS. After thinking about both game plays, DoD is much better and more funthan CS now.

Go to bed Capt0, you have work in the morning.

ya i do, night :P

Really with the physics?
It feels as s*** as cs to me :P

I love playing it because the fun of the style of game usually outdoes the s*** feel of a half-life based game - although playing in comps when that stuff really counts casts a downer on it for me - I don't need that s*** in a comp. In a comp, it should feel exactly like the original Quake :)

Casual play it's just too much fun though cos I don't really care if something goes wrong.

Jim, you sound like the kind of person that would play quake.

wall thickness for bullets and such isn't programmed into HL automatically. the type of surface of a brush is only taken into account with footsteps. anything else has to be added by the modder.

cs didn't always have shoot through walls full stop.

One thing i love about DOD are the sounds. The running noise and the radio commands.
It really immerses you in the scenario. Whereas the CS radio commands are a little unconvincing. They don't sound like hardcore special forces guys and russian terrorists; They sound like a homosexual actor from San Fransisco sitting in a recording studio getting his nuts massaged.

Yeh DOD has real atmosphere, reminds me perfectly of watching a war movie or something similar.

Goa`uld!, I resemble that comment

What you massage your nuts Jim?>

You only feel that way because you got slawed in the comp by people who have played 10x less than you Jim.

:)

capt0 ownz all but your ftps had nOoOooO Pr0n dammit

Einstein had some descent stuff

hahahaha, you guys have been playing cs as a team for how long? Our team consisted of pickup players who mostly played quake, tribes and console games. :P

Not to mention the inexperiance of HDC. One person I can think of hasn't realy played DoD apart from lans of 4 on 4 at my house, one who has played at two QGL lans (maybe two).

Additionaly half of our team has never played as a clan before ... In anything

i dont play dod at all

im not a clanner...
is there a clan by the name of tNt? that goes to qgl?

heh, our tactics consisted of, SAS go left, mP go Right....

that about sums it up heehhe

This lasted about half the map, then we just started to play deathmatch style untill we won :D

TACTIC?! OMG WTF? HAHAH i jsut run on there... take out about 2-3 and then die... i know im gonan die but the enimes dont expect it but then they start camping where i suaually come out :(

the thing is, that first half of the map was the crucial one, we were locked even until you got a cap with that method, then we started to panic a little i think, german medium is pretty homosexual.

I am about to give this mod a go. From all accounts on their forums it seems to be an extreemely realistic representation of real world psyhics and weapon behaviour. I'll report back later. It's early beta but you might like to check it out.

True Combat for Q3A

sif Tribes2 doesnt have a great engine!
or Q3 that has a good engine, although i hate the game in MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE.
i would still go to QGL even if cs did die and im sure lots of other people would too

You only feel that way because you got slawed in the comp by people who have played 10x less than you Jim.

haha, whatever bitchlips :)

when qgl admins played you, I outscored your teams highest scorer in both games, even though I've only started playing a half-life based game since dod beta 1.2.

haha, that musta hurt :)


when I later played for hdc, you were just lucky that I was playing with no mouse or keyboard, and no monitor

asif I'm not gonna smack you down like it aint no thang once I get used to the homosexual playermovement/hitbox-shooting of halflife

DoD r0x0rs

I've taken more of an interest in it - but I it still doesn't give me the rush of CS.

I played in the UT comp against dkn, which was hard until I came up with some sort of idea on how to control the flags. UT is cool, DOD is cool, but they aren't CS.

I think people exaggerate the problems with the HL engine, particularly the hitboxes. Some things are f***ed, but I'd hardly quit the game over them. The game is too cool for that. Besides that, down south the CS scene is as strong as it ever was. Sure its a lot more of bitch fest down there, but they all enjoy the game. I do to, so I'm not quitting any time soon.

it's just whatever you're used to

coming from games like quake (where if you actually shoot the player model they take damage) to games like halflife where you need to re-learn this principle can be annoying

that's why I say 'once I get used to it'

asif you'd play a broken game

you're happy playing quake3 with it's broken player physics

Jim, :p

Our scores where spread out amoung the team, representing good teamwork, no 1 man slawing. perhaps if j00 helped your team defend flags and whatnot...

heheheh :D

they're not broken, they're just stupid with stupid dumb bunnyhopping stupidness

hey, the points were from getting flags, not frags :)

I don't care about cheats or bugs in CS, i just hate the game play full stop. Maybe i can play it for a while if some friends are lan'ing at my house or something but that's about it.
While CS et al have too much 'realism' (ie. slow, boring, lame deaths in one shot), quake3 has too little.
Of course in the end it is all down to personal tastes so it really matters squat what i think and that is well demonstrated by the fact that CS is by FAR the most popular.

Despite that, i say more fun games like codename eagle or serious sam are in order. They are actually targetted to be fun rather than either lame realism ala CS or a tech demo like Q3 (not really anymore since everyone turns the detail right down to 'pre-wolfenstein' level)

Yeah i not a big fan of Q3, but i find it hard to understand why everyone turns down the detail so much, i know it makes everyone easier to see, but really why dont you just play Q2, you have reduced it to the same graphics detail and ppl complain about CS been a boring looking game, Q3 in full res and quality looks awesome, sometimes i like to play becuase because they look awesome.

i played q3 with high detail for ages, then realised that i can play 10% better with crappy graphics

i think more ppl would play dod and not cs IF some of the cs servers were turned into dod servers

there needs to be a new team game with a good engine that everyone plays, but there is'nt many new games lately... just mods i reckon

"when qgl admins played you, I outscored your teams highest scorer in both games, even though I've only started playing a half-life based game since dod beta 1.2."

Haha, I'd played 4 maps of b1.3 before QGL, so me getting 3 maps of practise at qgl in the comps went by the end I kinda worked out who to shoot :P

Jim - you sark !

:D

I've never played it at all, but I reckon I'd kick all yer butts.

cs is still as popular as hell, nearly every server is full, it just that you dont see the people playing you used to see, probably cos they've found the game to be way to newbie freindly so they've decided to cut back on cs time. im looking at server query now and every single cs wireplay server is full.

No game is taking over another, people are able to play more games than one, all DoD is doing is broadening the gamming spectrum, giving us more of a choice not taking over cs. For argument sake, just imagine if DoD (or any game for that matter) becomes bigger than cs, wont it then become more susceptable to cheats just like cs has?, and wont it also "opress" the gamming community just like cs apparently has? People will be saying s*** like "i wish DoD would die already, its depriving the gamming community of choice" just like some have said about cs. The fact is games are good (doesn't matter which ones), play them when/if you wont, who cares what others think of/about the game thats their problem.

oh and mick, you are right in saying "cs didn't appear to be the game of the weekend", however, no game really was, are they dying to :)?

yeah there was less gaming overall

So you were actually playing in those games deeper?
I presumed you were afk or something

=]

im never going to play another half-life mod ever, for much the same reason that I will never shove a foreign object up my ass.

sif the day won't come when we all ditch Dod for something else. I don't see what the big deal is. I find CS old now, and while it is still a Cpl game, it simply can't keep my interest.

Cs is a classic game, but then so is Doom.

HaHa - don't make me post the screenshot !
Get some more kills than death skills Jim :D

only a faget cs player would care about kill/death ratio

Give it up for tfc it has been around since quake and it is still going

Heres my take on it ... how bout the CS players keep on playin CS they have fekked their own game.

And then us old folk can keep playing DoD.

can i be an old folk too

how about we play both, they're both good

I will never shove a foreign object up my ass.

So as long as its familar to you it goes up there acid ??

haha

good observation about ass penetration there obes ;)

yay fool! Go TFC!

You remember? the game that most people were playing before CS?