Another weekend, another LAN gone. This one was an interesting one in many respects and will definitely make the QGL History Books for a few reasons.

We had some power problems mainly on Saturday; some of which were due to problems with hardware and others due to some completely uncoordinated people that can't walk past a power socket without tripping over the cable and knocking it out. These were eventually sorted out and once this was under control things calmed down a bit.

On Saturday night we ran a small Battlefield 1942 competition, which is one of the first we've ever run. Thanks to the guys from 1st, we came up with a nice quick competition structure which gave everyone a few cool organised games. We ended up with 8 teams of 8, which was good and hopefully means we'll be able to do more next LAN. QGL Admins even got a team together and had a few really fun games. Props to 1st and RQR for making the finals, but I can't remember who won.

There was also some Counter-Strike competition action happening on the Sunday, which I'll let Tung wrap-up elsewhere. Congratulations to the teams that made it to the finals; it all sounded very entertaining.

We had some problems with theft - there are a few suspects and I believe the people involved will be investigating this themselves. Theft will not be tolerated and if we can help in any way put criminals away, we will do so.

Of course, this was a relatively minor affair compared to some of the other going-ons. For those that don't know for sure, what basically happend was some seriously illegal content was found on a computer at the LAN that was being shared across the network. This was brought to the attention of the admins, who set about trying to find this person. During this time, one of the concerned citizens that had stumbled across this material had notified the police.

Just as we were about to notify the police ourselves (I had just loaded the Queesland Police website to get the appropriate phone number), two officers from Task Force Argos arrived to investigate. These two officers were very courteous and very professional, and spoke to several people that were "involved" in this incident. The net result was that the officers basically agreed that it was very difficult to track the source of this material, and advised us that we should perhaps clarify our policy on such material to the attendees of QGL.

Unfortunately, the material in question was child pornography, a heinous crime that is taken extremely seriously by most law enforcement agencies, including (as we observed this weekend) the Queensland Police. While our terms and conditions does not specifically state that this sort of material is not permitted at QGL events, it should be obvious that this is the case and we will be amending the terms and conditions to account for this.

Further, in any situation in which we find people breaking these terms and conditions, you will be disconnected from the network immediately and the police will be notified. We strongly urge you to take this warning extremely seriously - the fact that two police officers can be on the scene within minutes of notification on a Sunday should impress upon most people the seriousness of such an offense. The crime in this case is possession and distribution - this is not stuff you will be merely kicked out of the LAN for, but you will get in real trouble.

Hopefully, this will be a valuable learning experience for attendees of LANs - not just at QGL but at other events around Australia. There are definite stages at which your actions at LANs will start drawing more attention. We have reached several of those stages already, and to be honest I am not sure how many - if any - are left. LANs are simply becoming too risky, and - lets be honest - most people aren't helping them to become any less so.

Several other issues have surfaced as a result of this LAN; several logistical ones that I can't be bothered explaining because they would only bore you and me, and it is fairly obvious most people don't care, which is sad. The QGL Admin team will be meeting as soon as convenient to discuss the future of the QGL LAN and how recent events will affect the way we organise and run them. Stay tuned for more information.

Thanks go to a bunch of people. The people that helped set up on Friday night (Primal, Erik-the-Red, Mr X, Insolence and amms and anyone else I forgot). amms for her help dishing out the Subway on Saturday. Also, props to Bad! (sorry, forgot ya in the original post, you're a cainer too!)Subway at Stones Corner for their awesome service and skills that allow us to provide you guys with food. Thanks to my brother stick who, on extremely short notice, came out not only to drop off his PA gear but to come out and help us pack up on Sunday when things were starting to fray around the edges (particularly my patience and capacity for rational thought). Thanks to stagrrr who came to help set up and was instrumental in a bunch of other ways.

Thanks to the guys who stayed and help pack up at the end; in case it wasn't obvious we were a bit short-handed admin-wise on the Sunday and your help was greatly appreciated. Thanks to Voodoo who, on almost zero notice, rustled up some servers for us. Thanks to Cisco for the BEST NETWORKING GEAR EVER. Thanks to Comindico for being the BEST INTERNET COMPANY in the country and catering to our needs with speed and professionalism at every step of the way.

Special props go to Electoad for being such a goddamn legend all the time, and to Tung for sticking it out pretty much the whole LAN. Thanks to everyone for coming and we'll see you at the next one.

On a more personal note, here are some things that really, really infuriated me over the weekend that will definitely lead to some more changes.

First of all, my pre-emptive apologies go out in this rant to the (sadly few) people that can actually behave themselves at a LAN and restrain their compulsions and hold back from doing anything stupid, idiotic, disruptive, vandalistic, or outright ILLEGAL. There are a bunch of great guys that come to QGL LAN, more than I can name, and you guys should be proud of yourselves for your behaviour - for me at least, you are the kind of guys that keep me involved in QGL LANs.

Sadly, we are now at the point at which the amount of slaw that we have to deal with in order to run a LAN far exceeds any possible enjoyment we - or at least I, I cannot speak for all the admins but I fear many feel the same - get from running these huge events.

Again, for the millionth time, everyone that is involved in the running of QGL events is a VOLUNTEER. In case you're not familiar with this term, it means these are dedicated people that put their time on the line to do something they believe in. Now, if you have any common sense or manners at all, this fact should filter in to your consciousness and it should affect the way you BEHAVE at a LAN event.

The thing that really, really annoys me more than anything else is the way people leave rubbish around. And it isn't just a few people, so no-one can accuse me of making a big deal out of this. There are a large number of people that treat LAN events like an excuse to act like filthy, lazy, piggy slobs. You forget that mummy, daddy, wife, girlfriend, sister, brother, guardian, or trained helper monkey is simply not there to clean up after you, and you leave the area in which you were sitting covered in garbage, food remains, and spilled drinks.

This is not good enough. We are not, believe it or not, there to clean up afterwards. Your attitude might work at McDonalds, where you can say "oh, they're paid to clean up my filthy disgusting mess, so why should I expend 1 joule of energy and one sixteenth of a nanosecond of time cleaning up after myself", but at QGL all it does is mean SOMEONE ELSE has to clean up after you. Usually an admin, a volunteer, who could be doing something really constructive with their time for other QGL-goers that actually clean up after themselves and respect their efforts.

I will say that this LAN was mildly less disgusting than the last ones, but it was still NOT GOOD ENOUGH and so the next LAN I will be taking steps to ensure that people clean up after themselves. I have a few suggestions that go along the lines of "if you're competing in a competition and your area is messy, you'll get a 5 minute warning to clean it up and if you fail to do it you will forfeit your game", or perhaps "if you can't keep your area clean after repeated warnings you will be asked to leave the venue", or something like that. This is one of the issues that we'll be discussing at the next admin meeting. Cruel suggestions on how to deal with dirty little boys from mothers that know how best to deal with them are welcomed and appreciated. Time to grow up, guys.

Other things - if I catch you sitting at a desk with a PC and find out you haven't paid, don't talk at me with an attitude. Don't ever come in without having paid first. You know who you are. From now on, anyone that I find sitting at a table with their PC switched on that doesn't have a sticker or a stamp will be kicked out immediately. You guys DO understand that SOMEONE has to pay for all the stuff that we have to do to get these things up and running, right? You ARE familiar with the basic principles of PAYING for a service? (Or are more of you thieves than we think?!@#$!)

This should be obvious, but bears repeating - don't draw on the floor or walls. Jesus.

What, exactly, do we need to do to encourage people to be socially responsible at these things? Obviously our policy of trying to be nice to everyone just isn't working - a lot of you guys are kids, and you're either spoiled rotten at home and have no concept on how to behave in this sort of environment, or you just don't care at all. Maybe we should have some sort of peer monitoring system - if you see someone doing something that you know is against the rules and you point them out, we reward you with a cookie or something.

Oh, and this one was my personal favourite. Someone called UspGuy was blatantly hacking in a Counter-Strike game. I don't know what clan he was in, but I'm sure someone will, and I hope public humiliation is what awaits him. It was funny, because I was standing _right behind him_ while he was doing it. I'm sure tung would have kicked him out, but by this point I had LAN shell-shock already and was just too apathetic to deal with it proactively. Anyway, I'm sure the CS cheating grapevine will take care of that one. By the way, great game you guys play.

Oh, another thing - if you see a sign on a table that says "RESERVED", what that means is, its reserved. Exactly how big does the sign need to be before it is considered REALLY reserved? Like, I guess people saw the bits of A4 paper on which I had written it and gone "well, those bits of paper are pretty small, so I guess they're not _really_ reserved - they're just a little bit reserved, right?"

IN CASE IT IS NOT OBVIOUS, what I'm trying to say with this equally childish rant is, it would really, really, really, really, really, really be appreciated if more people could just make a bit more effort to BEHAVE like SOCIALLY and MORALLY AWARE citizens. I personally HATE to have to act like a mean and rule-enforcing guy, and I know a lot of the other admins do as well, which is almost certainly a significant factor in why everything is just so icky at the moment anyway.

But at some point - ie, now - it just becomes too much. Now each LAN leaves me with an increasingly bitter taste in my mouth. Before the event has even started I have usually put in around two full days of organising stuff , and by the time I walk through the door on Friday afternoon I'm ready to go home and sleep for the entire weekend.

At this point we're at, as mentioned above, the downsides of the LAN now exceed the upsides. And when the ONLY upside is a warm fuzzy feeling anyway - well, it just becomes a bit mentally daunting.

So, the point of my post (which I will reiterate is solely a personal opinion/comment on the LAN and _not_ an official QGL official policy or statement) is just a heartfelt plea, beg and request for people to try and just not be so lazy and to put some effort into not creating more work for admins.

Again, those of you that actually don't do this, my apologies if you bother reading this far. There are a bunch of great guys that come to QGL, and a lot of them not only take care to keep their area clean, but contribute in other ways - they help clean up other areas, help set up, help haul stuff around, help other people when they're having problems. You guys rock. Please keep coming, because you are the guys that make it even remotely worthwhile.

Forgot to add, sorry to those people that I said I'd play certain games with them and never got around to it. Just didn't have time.

Edit: for relevance.

Great writeup trog, shame to hear that the problems plaguing the lans growth are still on the rise.
I guess a lot of it comes with the territory. I hope you guys can just work through the problems like any major event organiser would and help to keep making it the great day it should be.

I would hate to see QGL become less frequent or even cancelled because of idiots like the afformentioned.

Props to 1st and RQR for making the finals, but I can't remember who won.

there were some logistical issues with getting the game to run smoothly, and we didn't complete the full four rounds, a few guys on each side had to leave, so we called it a null game (since it wasn't a serious comp).. but the way things were going, it would have been 1st

thanks trog, that summed up pretty much what i wanted to say.

we are here as volunteers, dont treat us as if we get paid to clean up after you, or to run all this stuff for you.

i know for one trog has forked out of his own pocket substantial amounts of money to pay for prizes and occasionally just for gear because we didnt have any really spare... thats dedication. there are admins there throughout the entire weekend to make sure any problems you have are looked after, and remember we have to answer to anz security
so many times i was approached by security with complaints about more and more guys. be responsible please, dont be going down climbing fences to get out, or walking around in areas not in the immediate vicinity to the hall.

if you work with us, as opposed to against us, then everyone has a decent time.

anyway, my only real rant :)

Yes gg 1st to bad our guys couldnt have got in there quick enough (RQR) nice meeting a couple of the RQR guys for the first time Rommel, Toll and Hermitech as well from 1st Harass and freewheelin and thanks to the admins for putting on the comp

I was about to do a "Thumbs up, Thumbs down" post, but you've pretty much summed it up Trog.

When all the tables and cables were all packed up, I had to mop up no less than 15 drink spills. The amount of crap left behind all over the floor was double that of any other lan we've run. This is totally unacceptable, and we should NOT have to clean this up.

If you spill something, you should clean it up immediately rather than leaving it spilt all over the table or floor or even equipment, so people can walk through it and spread the stickiness throughout the hall.

It's not just rubbish either that's getting worse as Trog said. The security guard told me this lan people in general are starting to misbehave more and cause more trouble, which is what we DON'T want.

As Trog also said, we've tried the nice approach, but it just doesn't seem to be working anymore, so don't be suprised if we start doing things in a more nazi fashion.

I think it would be great saint if you tightened things up a bit (i used to goto a boarding school so i know how strict strict is !) it would take out most of the crap that some people throw around at QGL

I have trouble understanding why people can't clean up after themselves? Between me and Vorador, we managed to have like 4-5 bottles/cans of drink and 1 meal at mcdonalds. As soon as we had finished we began the massive journey of a whole 4-5 meters to the bin, cleaned up, and that would have taken us maybe less than 10 seconds total.

To me, its second nature to always clean up after myself whenever I'm out at a place/venue/friends house etc, sure I may leave my office at home in a bit of a mess, but I'm the only person who deals with it, when I'm out and about, I try to be considerate to the people sitting around me.

It just seems like common courtesy to clean up your s***, how hard can it be I mean, a single person cannot physically produce that amount of garbage which could not be handled by 1 trip to one of the 15+ bins around the QGL venue.

Also, another thing which s***s me to tears are the poor pathetic people who did this s***

http://www.qgl.org/lan/photos/viewphoto.qgl?img=/2003/January/DSC02754.jpg

There would have been a bin within 10 meters of that bench, how god damned hard is it.

When I go out in public, I try to be considerate to everybody around me, try and make their experience fun and enjoyable too. Part of this is to clean up after yourself - especially if anybody reading this is one of these garbage hoarding tards. Clean up after yourself, 10 seconds and the 50 callories you'll burn while picking up and walking to a bin will do you more good than harm.


Edit Also : Who was the tard or two who brought speakers to the LAN - not any speakers either. Huge subwoofing moron blasting speakers, don't do it again, nobody wants to hear your music.

Edit Also : Who was the tard or two who brought speakers to the LAN - not any speakers either. Huge subwoofing moron blasting speakers, don't do it again, nobody wants to hear your music.

Spamzor and Twiztid Coza both had Logitech speakers with subs, i kept unplugging them cause i was sitting behind them, ill remember to bring scissors next time :)

I agree with EVERYTHING trog has said... i know i left sunday morning and missed the cs comps, this child porn stuff and packup (for which im sorry :P) but god damn the rubbish is still terrible. I do believe the new coke bottles are much better than the cans but still i just cant believe people can not walk 5 metres to a bin to put it in.

I rekkon subway rocked again this lan, SUBWAY ROCKS!

What also sucks is people putting 1/2 full (or empty :P) drinks into bins so when u go to pick it up and take it outside (wow another job u guys dont have to do) the drink leaks through the bag. I mean come on people... least finish your drink!

Tung is a machine.

I think that the responsability of dealing with the idiots in every area of the LAN is as much a responsability of the gamers as it is the admins. We are set to loose more than the admins if and when the police turn up not only to look for kiddie porn, but to check all our software regos. They know about us now. and they know that we are the culture that makes itself knowen for pirating ect ect. What im trying to say is that them coming on saturday means that they know about us now and that means possiabily that they will pay a few more visits in the next few lans.

rubbish can be easily dealt with by the groups of peple. If 5 or 6 guys come up to you and tell you to do something then your gona do it pronto. I saw that when Eric the red got people together and layed the smackdown on the fag who had the sub. Even tho he turned it on again, my voice echoing around the hall of TURN THAT f***ING SUB OFF seemed to fix the prob for good.

Most of you forum regulars go there with some mates, so get together in the true spirit of the forums and help tghe admins out with their jobs.

i think that the message(s) that trogah and tungah are saying is understood by most the forum goers because all the ones i met had reasonabily clean areas. the descusting ones were from the fags who turn up. The people who dont use the forums. The people who arn't in the community.

Trog, i suggest that when people come in, they identify themselvs with photo ID (15+) and you take their name and match it to their IP on your database. it wouldn't be that hard, and when s*** like this porn crops up at least you have a name that you can give to the cops. i know that people could swap IP addys but i seriously doubt that many would.

If you gusy decide to keep puttin qgls on (i dont blame you if you dont after seeing what i saw) then me and eric will be at everr setup and, if we have our eyes open, every pack up.

Cheers :)

i agree with what trog said, i also believe the messages arent getting across because think of the amount of people that use this forum etc compared to the amount of people that go to qgl

i dunno, just a theory

make a bit more effort to BEHAVE like SOCIALLY and MORALLY AWARE citizens

Good luck. Unfortunately the majority of gamers have been bred in front of their pc 24/7 and have neglected to pick up from social interaction what is and isn't socially acceptable behaviour.

This is a sad truth. You would probably find the gamers that blend games with normal life (g/f, going out regularly, sport etc) are the non-offenders, and the complete freaks that don't work or interact what so ever with any other humans besides their mom, are the ones who lack the ablility to behave like a human because they have had no real interaction with other humans in an environment outside computer la-la land. A high post count here is a forehead sticker that reads: 'I never leave my pc'.

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Jesus christ, thats twice I've agreed with tref.

I know it's outrageously stereotypical to say, but this kind of s*** is all the more of an argument to make major lans 18+.

The way I figure it, the majority of the trash and thoughtless bulls*** that goes on is by socially retarded kids.

At least if it's a socially retarded adult, you can lay the beats and boot them out without worrying about minor's rights.

Yes, I am fully aware that there are many normal gamers under 18, it's just that policing stupid behaviour comes a lot easier.

All of this bad s*** comes down because people don't know most of the people at these events. It's a lot easier to be a total c**t to people you don't know personally. That goes double for abusing the admins.

It seems a constant refrain after every big lan - theft, litter, disrespect and moronic behaviour.

I know it's outrageously stereotypical to say, but this kind of s*** is all the more of an argument to make major lans 18+.

It is a stereotypical argument. and as someone who is only turning 18 this year (and someone who does not make a mess and act like a complete a******.), I believe it would be unfair to make lans 18+ for that reason. But i also believe that it would clean up the lans abit, aswell as eliminating a large part of QGL's clientel. Making the Lans 18+ would have exactly the same effect as the 15+ rule did.. some unrulely and messy kids are kept out, and some orderly well mannered ones (which are sadly the slight minority) are kept out.

So in the end, its not really worth it, although singling out those responsible would be far more difficult, it would be far more rewarding (ironically enough)

just find the people who are doing it and ban them ffs.

we warred the f***ing clan with uspguy in it, I cant remember which clan it was.

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Thats over 4 years! (or since day one)

you guys (admins) need to be more strict, you see a littler bug kick him out straight away, do not tollerate that kind of bulls***, i know i won't. and i might actually have to come to next qgl clean up, this isn't really fair.

do not tollerate that kind of bulls***, i know i won't

Get a swastika armband and you can go around "removing" cheats and trouble makers

if i was admin, i would carry a kane, and wack them right on the neck :P

Well, I must say I really enjoyed giving the admins a hand this time around, hopefully didnt get in your way or anything!

I also hope that these issues can be sorted out and QGL will continue and improve in the future. Unfortunately I think it will require some stricter enforcement of rules, which will result in some unpleasantness for some people. QGL may get a negative reputation among certain groups (the slobs I guess) but its better than getting the negative reputation if current trends were to continue. Once the message gets out that bad behaviour will not be tolerated then the people who want to enjoy QGL the way it should be will have a much better time.

if i was in trogs case id shut down the lan and stop running them for awhile

then if i ever reopened them id make it invite only 18+ with a heap of other restrictions to stop people from comming.

sounds to me like qgl just isnt worth running anymore, maybe theres hope but is it worth sitting through the months and months of crap to get it.

A high post count here is a forehead sticker that reads: 'I never leave my pc'.

stupid generalisations ahoy!

i think that part of the problem with litter is that people associate the area they are sitting in as "theirs" for the time that they're at qgl and as such treat it like they would their desk at home. Maybe every couple of hours get on the loudspeaker and ask everyone to get up and place any rubbish around them in the bin.

I know that in where we were sitting i had to make a mental note to get up every 3 or 4 hours and chuck our foodscraps in the bin and that if i hadn't it would have sat their till i was packing up.

On the other hand people that leave rubbish after they leave are just f*****s

and what would be helpfull for the admins,is that people should pack their chairs that they were using, or even others that are just lying there. that would make things way easier.

as I mentioned in my post on sat night - I was sitting up with RQR blokes and I think everyone in that entire row was having a damn fine time, the place wasn't a mess or anything, I can't quite figure out how hermi plays how he does, but i'm sure it makes some sense... somewhere :D

anyway- on topic. its a damn pity that people just can't put stuff in the bin.. when I left on sat just around us was pretty clean, walking out didn't seem -too- bad.. but wtf go and cause s*** for other people because you're too f***ing lazy to move like 10 steps and drop a handful of crap in the bin.

As for people writing on floors/walls - this could only be the work of immature f*****s - sadly still being in high school I see far too much of it and it is one thing that can be pushed down right into a stereotype caused in the past 3 years, f***ing wiggas, HI MAN-LOVING EMINEM FAGS, BEING ABLE TO TAG IMAFGT ON A WALL DOES NOT MAKE YOU COOL. I'd think an apt punishment for doing this would be forcing them to clean it off with their f***en tongues followed by rolling their pc out of anz stadium and into the main road. Sadly not everyone is over-reactive like me.
/end fgtrant

regardless props to admins for holding as much as they could together, damn good work for something they arn't actually being paid to put on. Hopefully the problems can be resolved quickly (and with the use of big blunt metal objects) and the Lanning can continue.

I would like to thank Saint.
He was a great help as that this was my first QGL Lan and I sort of had no idea what I was doing with seating/payment/ips.
(Saint, I was the fellar who came in late)

(also, how did trog type that much after his first post without anyone typing after his first post.)

Does that make sence =S

its a common way to seperate news from opinion...

he had the thread locked (he has teh powa!)

excruciating, nice o'clock (sorry to go offtopic a bit)

he locked the thread after posding then unlocked it

So apart from all the bad stuff that happened what games where played?

I just thought QGL was a Community event and because its a community its a ommunity responsibility to look after one another. Which means you try to help everyone out a little by keepin your stuff clean. You just do what you have to do to have a good time with your fellow people without disturbing/disrupting anything.

Basically as a community you should be able to work togather (imo)

Oh, another thing - if you see a sign on a table that says "RESERVED", what that means is, its reserved. Exactly how big does the sign need to be before it is considered REALLY reserved? Like, I guess people saw the bits of A4 paper on which I had written it and gone "well, those bits of paper are pretty small, so I guess they're not _really_ reserved - they're just a little bit reserved, right?"

I thought you weren't allowed to reserve seats at QGL.

some peaple are pigs

oink oink oink oink

clean up your act or go back to your mud pits :p

*sigh*
After spending 20 minutes writing a huge reply to this, I lost it because I accidently closed IE. Expect an abridged version, and two parts to it.

Since I started coming to QGL in September of 2001, I've slowly seen the quality degrade. The issues of theft, rubbish and the general attitudes of others has gone downhill since then. Trying not to sound over-the-top, I think a complete overhaul needs to be done to pick it up again. As trog said, he leaves with a bad taste in his mouth, and I have to say for me, the attraction of going to QGL is weakening.

Theft
When I first came to QGL, I saw people leaving phones on top of wallets sitting on the tables, and they were never touched. Admitedly, the lans were smaller then (350-400 people) and most people knew everyone else, but it wasn't really an issue. The theft floodgates really opened when Morgish's phone got stolen. I think people were probably considering it, but never had the guts to do it. Once one thing was stolen, I think it became an attitude of "Well if they got away with it, so can I."
It's sad that now whenever I get up even to have a piss, I need to take my phone and MX700 in my pocket when I go.

Rubbish
Rubbish was always a minor problem, but lately it's gotten really disgusting. Seriously, take some responsibility for your area. You don't even need to go through the extra effort of going out of your way to get up. If there's ever a better time to get up and clear the rubbish from your area, it's when you either go to the toilet or go to get another drink. There's no need to let 15 cans of softdrink pile up as some kind of display. The only thing it displays is that you're either too immature or too sheltered to realise how much of a slob it makes you look like.

As for drink spills, averting your eyes doesn't make it go away. You might feel like a dick asking for paper-towel from the admins, but you can bet that they're glad you're taking responsibility for cleaning up after yourself. One spilt coke can actually cause a lot of trouble. All it takes is one person to walk through it, and then spread their legs out under the table, and you've got coke dripping into powerboards, switches, you name it.
Clean up after yourselves, understand that the admins, and the other people who help clean up, are not your paid handlers whose job is to clean up after dirty little children.

Attitude
Attitude as another thing which has gotten progressively worse throughout my QGL's. Speakers, drawing on walls, commando-drills around ANZ, all things that never used to be a problem. To people with speakers, you're not just annoying your table with the treble, you're pissing off half the hall with the bass. There's nothing worse than hearing the "DOOF DOOF DOOF DOOF!" of a wigger rap song, or the droning of a BF1942 plane-engine filtering through your headphones.

As for people who draw on walls. What are you, THREE? I thought most people grew out of this when they were toilet trained. Grow up, seriously.

To the fools who go running around ANZ. Get over yourselves. The whole centre is blanketed in video security. You will be caught, and you will probably be escorted off the grounds.

One more thing to go under attitude, how people respect and treat others. The admins are not your parents. They run the whole event completely off their own backs. They are not paid for it, and in some cases (as saint said) they fork out cash from their own pockets to cover expenses. Don't think that because you pay for the event that you can talk down to them and expect them to be your servants. They're volunteers that should be treated as your equals, and whose decisions and requests should be respected. For the socially inept, this means you don't tell them to f*** off when they ask for you to turn your speakers off.

-end part one-

This first post was generally my observations on what's been going on at QGL. Once I have some dinner, I'll come back and post some suggestions to the admins on how to help improve the event from a player's point of view.

...this got longer than I thought it would...much longer than the orginal was, and that was both parts.

my first qgl, definately not my last had a great time. but like most of the posts above i agree that things need to be looked at.

first the rubbish what a problem, ppl just dont need to be that lazy. second who ever had that child porn should be stoned for a while, it is just wrong expecially sharing it on a 500ppl lan. finally i think that the speaker ban should be enforced. people have speakers they are turned off and a cable or something that disables them is confiscated. its really hard to concentrate when all u can hear is ppl watching a movie behind u or someone playing s*** music LOUD.

i think the best solution to these problems that someone suggested above is that upon entry ID is required, so ppl can prove their age and a name can be matched to a nic and IP. that way dodgy dealings can be traced and if the stickers containing the IP, DNS info had to be visible on each machine, it would also be easier to control.

apart from these few negatives i had a great time and before the next qgl i can attend i will hone my skills and learn how to play 1942!!

thanks to admin and all volunteers, it was a sic weekend.

i think the best solution to these problems that someone suggested above is that upon entry ID is required, so ppl can prove their age and a name can be matched to a nic and IP. that way dodgy dealings can be traced and if the stickers containing the IP, DNS info had to be visible on each machine, it would also be easier to control.

/me bows

Whsn you impliment that and it fixes all your problems trog dont forget to take alllll the credit for it :P jk

i may joke around about Trog's opinions on gaming, but the man works dam hard. when i saw him on sunday he looked ready to drop it all and go home. seriously, some admins work dam hard. the lan has gone down-hill over the past 4 or 5 through no fault of the admins. i feel sorry for em.

the stealing issue has slowly gotten worse and its one i am worried about. ever since one of my friends had his MS explorer nicked over night i have been taking my mouse and headphones home. but taking hard-drives? i have 2 and my case side gets left off. i leave my PC at QGL over night when i go home to sleep, as do my housemates. we usually all sit near people we know well, but they cant be there all the time and they arent watch dogs. this is something we all can help with though. WATCH PEOPLE's STUFF! please.

the child porno thing was kind funny at first because we found it on a 15 year olds HDD. it turned very NOT funny when it started to spread and of course some people were offended. i dont know what to say about this. its dispicable. disgusting.

people leaving rubbish isnt as big of an issue i spose but something the admins have to deal with. have you noticed the last few lans they come around with bins to accomodate for lazy poofs who cbf moving? they shouldn't have to do that. to those who leave rubbish get off your god dam arses. SIMPLE! problem solved. easier said than done of course.

speakers at lans are gay. people who use speakers at lans are gay. its in the rules. admins should smash those faggety doof doofs over your heads.

cheating at lans is just dumb. my opinion is that some1 who cheats at a lan should be thrown out, and should never be allowed to return. if a person cheats it shows a lack of respect for others. these people may do other things to hinder the enjoyment of others such as the above mentioned things.

thats my cry.

more positively the comps were good. the gaming was good. fun was had. friends chatted. all the usual stuff.

This is a sad truth. You would probably find the gamers that blend games with normal life (g/f, going out regularly, sport etc) are the non-offenders, and the complete freaks that don't work or interact what so ever with any other humans besides their mom, are the ones who lack the ablility to behave like a human because they have had no real interaction with other humans in an environment outside computer la-la land. A high post count here is a forehead sticker that reads: 'I never leave my pc'.

f***ing hell tref. I don't have a gf, nor do i have many friends and i go out even less. u sure know how to kick someone in the guts when their down. and the f***ing generalisations, even if i got the courage to goto qgl i wouldn't f***ing dare leave my area in a mess. Its just how i've been brought up.

Parents + licence = good kids

A high post count here is a forehead sticker that reads: 'I never leave my pc'.

I have a high post count, and I went to the kitchen this morning to get food. My mum brought me my lunch, but the fact still remains that I left my computer at 11am and made breakfast, so go take your generalisations and shove them up your ass!

Mmm. Seafood

Anyway, now I'll just give some suggestions as to what should be done. I think the only way to really improve most things is a complete overhaul, and zero-tolerance. While the nazi-ness may turn some people away, the overall quality of the even will improve, and therefore attract more people.

Theft
Zero tolerance and awareness. If anyone is caught stealing, report them to the cops straight away. I think it was displayed this QGL how quickly the police can get together and act on a call. Awareness can also help. If you see anyone looking suspicious around someone's gear (dead giveaway is the "look left, look right, look left again"), confront them. If they were stealing it, they're likely to make up an excuse to put it back and then pissbolt. If it's really theirs, they're going to be glad that you're looking out for their gear.

Rubbish
Three warnings system. If you're asked to clean up, and don't do it, strike one. Same again on 2. And on the third time, you're ejected and banned from the next QGL. You can bet they'll be putting their rubbish into the bin when they come back. If they don't, then it's one less litterbug messing the hall up for the rest of us. A last-ditch option, if the whole hall is pretty gross, turn the switches off for 15 minutes, therefore killing the network, and get everyone to clean up.

Attitude
There's a few ways that the ever-present speaker issue can be dealt with. You could use the three-strike system and then kick them out, or confiscate them. Just ask for their speakers, and their real name, and keep them behind the admin desk. Then to retrieve them, they'd need to provide photo ID with their name on it. This stops anyone from coming up and saying "Err yeah...I'm L33t r0ck4r. Can I have my speakers maen?"

The commando-runs around the ANZ grounds can be stopped by closing the doors to the Hall when the gates are shut. If the gates are shut, there's no reason for anyone to be going outside.

Overall, as people mentioned, photo ID etc. Take it one step further. Start dealing out membership cards. This way, people can be certified 15+, they can get their own IP for as many LANS as they go to. This way there's no need for the stickers, which saves setup time, and also cuts down on how long it takes to get people through the door. Also for the issue of illegal things being thrown around on the network, it means they know exactly who is behind the IP.

i've only just got home and had a chance to post since QGL.

i'd like to say, that i had a good time there.

mad props to the admins

myself and Mr X had no problems coming to set up, and we'd be more than willing to come and help again. we would have stayed to clean up too, but we left at about 10am sunday.

speakers: myself and a few other people asked for these guys to keep it down/off, but they just turned it back on again. THIS IS AGAINST QGL RULES!

theft: it's lame, i know, but some people are like that. pretty much the best solution is not to leave your computer unless you have a mate there watching it.

kiddie porn: that s*** is wrong, and don't bring that s***.

rubbish: clean up after yourselves! we kept our area clean, and you wouldn't believe how much stuff we brought. so next time, when you're on your way to ask to borrow a linux distribution cd, pick your s*** up and bin it! i even mentioned it to some people. i'm not an admin, and even i was getting up people. some guy had literally 2 plastic bags full of rubbish at his feet.



aside from these things, i had a good time, but i can understand how the admins would get extremely s***ty. if u guys want a hand with anything, just let us know and we'll help.

/me bows

Whsn you impliment that and it fixes all your problems trog dont forget to take alllll the credit for it :P jk

ARHG!#
DAMMIT! I had this in my original post that got canned by me closing IE. Dammit, give ME credit! I thought of it!

if u guys want a hand with anything, just let us know and we'll help.

put me down for that aswell.

I know I've never been to a QGL (funnily enough) but allow me to make a few suggestions to the admins:

1) Re rubbish - Why don't you guys allocate several times throughout the weekend where everything stops (turn the power off if you have to - perhaps not long after the subway etc arrives) and go around telling people to clean up their area, rather than leaving it so everyone just pisses off at the end?

2)Attitudes - maybe you could ensure that you have a few tables of older/more responsible gamers spread throughout the hall who can watch out for idiots and get them kicked out? Perhaps invite friends of yours trog/tung/saint etc and give them free entry or something? More people to help the 'official' admins on the day(s) sounds like something you guys need.

3)QGL userid's & last ip addy. As someone suggested above, maybe you could ensure that everyone attending is involved in the QGL community - anonymity breeds ignorance.

4)18+ might be a consideration? Perhaps if you take down somebody's d/l number or if you still want 15+ take down a student id or something and tie it in with the QGL username?

I dunno. Just my suggestions from attending a few lans over the years. Forgive me if you already implement some things or they have been suggested in the past.

id like to thank the admins for putting on a great event. im sure 450ppl out of the 500 really appreciate everything you do. maybe people should be able to reserve particular seats (like a numbering system)so that if there is a pile of rubbish you have an idea of who has made them mess and reprimand them for it. well, thanks admins your effort is appreciated :)

ARHG!#
DAMMIT! I had this in my original post that got canned by me closing IE. Dammit, give ME credit! I thought of it!

i win i win i win!

what eric said. qgl id cards! id pay 10 bucks for one AND THEN all you do is get that plastic neck thing you had for the finals and put your card in there when qgl is around. instant ID!

put a barcode on the back. swipe it when you get in an BAM 5 mins off rego time. you sould swipe and they could have you as paid then your swipe means your there so no one else can swipwe your card.

EASY!

Erik: you were at setup? were u the guys helping ducker lay out the power?

In gaming related news, BF1942 is a fun as s*** game and would be awesome for competitions, if only the software didn't SUCK SO MUCH. It will be the death of the game unless they fix it. Hint to developers: copy all the server aspects of Counter-Strike, merge in some OSP features, and voila - we have a weiner.

yeah dan, i was

trog, the bf1942 comp was fun, but our team of randoms got owned so hard

Trog...damn man i didnt know you felt so bad. I aggree with most of the stuff people have said around here.

I sat with Erik/Mr X/Hem/Suhaib and we kept our area rather clean...at some stages it was gettin pretty bad....but we cleaned it up...but we also brought a lot of stuff and we put most of it in the stand behind us. I think ill bring a bin next QGL just for our little groupie.

Trog, you should enlist the help of a few people (probly from forums) to help you out during the day...i know i would...and i know sooooo many other people would also help you out. Just get em to run around their immediate area and tell people to pick up rubbish. (Maybe get an "Assistant-Admin" programe going)

The Theft situation....perhaps provide a bit more room on tables....there was suffcient room but it was slightly cramped and i ended up puttin alot of my s*** behind me in the stand (which i wont be doing next time). Underneath the table is a bit dodgy (Hem left his wallet in his bag under the table and lost 60 bucks from it, f***ing theiving c***s accross from us.) Next time ill probly just put my PC under the table and have my valuables around me.

It would be a good idea to get a group of people going who would be willing to help setup/finish up. Maybe even have a roster? Could work like a school tuckshop. You Admins do a fantastic job i think its time we gave some back and let you guys get a bit of gaming going as well.

Ill see ya next setup....maybe packup if i leave and get some sleep :D or maybe bribe the guard.../me looks at Suhaib

EDIT: and those f***ING speakers....i also yelled out to them a few times to STFU and it did work.....I dont mind speakers....there was a FEW times that we were watching moives/funny clips that we could have used a set of speakers. They wouldnt have been loud, just enough for all of us to hear. Get a warning system....1 Strike and then Confiscate them. (Make it a condition of entry...isnt a condition anyway?)

Any comments on the suggestions, trog?

I really wish I was there on sat for the comp.
Was there only 1 comp? How many people and how did it work Trog?

it was pretty impromptue, i think it was 6-8 teams of 8 people, double elim, single map, 1 round as Axis, then 1 as allied

its not my fault the security guard is so corrupt :D

yeah dan, i was

heh i rule at meeting people, I was the guy with the vertical black hair constantly reminding stagrr of his newbness.

also yelled out to them a few times to STFU and it did work.....

nothing matty, NOTHING compares to my scream of rage towards them

nothing matty, NOTHING compares to my scream of rage towards them

you scream like a girl

you scream like a girl

probly why they stoped and came to look for her ;)

"OMG hi2u!"

Enough of the bitching you f***ing women
NOW i have a question. Who knows who was siting here?/

http://home.pacific.net.au/~eviljosh/theif2.jpg

on both sides? i know 3 ppl who where sitting on the tables opposite of us.

awww im not mentioned


:P haaa

http://home.pacific.net.au/~eviljosh/img00031.jpg

thats impella, cindy and me standing up

Now stfu :P

pictures = no cigar

i'm 2 seats to the right of the fag wearing a bright orange t-shirt about 2 rows in front of you tools

ok whats the point of all of you just saying the same thing trog did in his post?
Like thats all you lot have done...

I gave suggestions!

Mr X!!! nooo!! it was the one to that guy's left, not him. the guy u have highlighted/blocked out is NOT the thieving c***

josh you got the wrong dude, the dude who took the hdd his name is psycomunkey. he was also banned\kicked of ocau for ripping off ppl.

thanks for the cookies trog they where awesome :)~

http://users.bigpond.net.au/khove/thief.jpg

he lives like 3 streets away from me, maybe i should fly a 747 into his house :P

he lives like 3 streets away from me, maybe i should fly a 747 into his house :P

suhaib have a lan at your house. il bring some friends :D

what swat0r said.... 3 pages of repetition

yeah, because that's the only way those tards will learn. repetition of "don't be a tool"

The commando-runs around the ANZ grounds can be stopped by closing the doors to the Hall when the gates are shut. If the gates are shut, there's no reason for anyone to be going outside.

exo, except you forgot the nicotine addicts amongst the qgl community.

MR X:

That person you blocked out is microant, He was the person in charge of the haul against psycomonkey against the theft, big props to him, hes a champ, he also helped me selling Below-0 Gear...
Cheers
Az

That person you blocked out is microant, He was the person in charge of the haul against psycomonkey against the theft, big props to him, hes a champ, he also helped me selling Below-0 Gear...
Cheers
Az

he also begged me to buy a new case ROFL, cos it made so much sound, from all that rattling and bodge case modding :D

real shame that sort of stuff is happening :\,

try matching photo id to mac addresses at paytime, then check out leased dhcp on a mac reservation basis as you may be able to secure that to the point that people with a non-valid/spoofed mac/ip set will be denied access and hence unable to participate. From there most generic network problems will be cause they a) havent paid, b) changed nics or being cheeky.

check out what options you have with your switching for dropping as much as possible at the switches themselves.

if your lucky you may well be able to filter just about everything except ftp*,dhcp, http (provided you have an intranet), dns and game ports. potentially route packets off the network and onto the backbone for the ftp server, dhcp or dns.. that may well ease the flow of traffic and problems caused by people running services since clients wouldnt be able to access them.

as far as people running ftps etc on gameports, thats pretty easy to track with any sort of traffic monitoring, how many quake servers transfer a gig in 10 mintues ;-)

*setup a central ftp server off the backbone and log everything by ip. that hsould see whos doing what and even if youre not fussed about ze warez n stuff, you can kick it in the ass till people get a position of trust happening

anyways im half asleep so this probably doenst make sense ehhe, good luck wtih qgl, be nice to see it continue :-)

all this ID talk is just gonna be a headache to the admins, i mean c'mon they are stuffed as it is, and now there is even more work... its physically impossible for them.

i hear ya..

only providing some feedback on what i see to be an issue for em.

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/switches/ps708/products_configuration_guide_chapter09186a00800eb77c.html

hmm sounds pretty crap, lazy mofo's can't be bothered cleaning up. Maybe you should start a rule of no food or drinks inside the hall, if you wanna eat go outside, if you wanna drink go outside. There was a bin right next to me and I saw a few people doing the right thing. As for the kiddy porn, that's just wrong. I know people like to have stuff to trade at lans but kiddy porn is just plain stupid. Makes you wonder about some of these people and their ability to live in our society.

I know it's outrageously stereotypical to say, but this kind of s*** is all the more of an argument to make major lans 18+.

then people would think all the more that minors aren't around and it's ok to share porn around the network and other questionable materials.

Maybe it's finally time to say farewell to what was once a terrific LAN.

you can say that again!

you can say that again

if you're refering to the "bid goodbye to qgl" remark, how about you just f*** off. many of us enjoy QGL, and we would like to see it keep going, even if it means restrictions

i wasnt
so shut up

hehe, soz then :P

suhaib, if u want a nwe case, i can give u a discount plus myself and microant can discuss modding of it :)

very interested, i might get a new one in a few weeks, gotta see the mullah :D

oi erik why am I blotted out I'm not a stealing little f***


naaa just jokes if the guvna and his friend are reading and this goes for everyone, ur s*** is ur own responsibility and its a shame u can't trust anyone these days so I'm happy I was able to help

no, i think he blotted you out, and the stealing f***s were supposed to be the row that the text is over :P

my pic is better though :P

lol

hey a poll vote whats worse??


CS cheats

OR

stealing little c***s

poll ends in 10mins

Both, kill em all

http://www.cnn.com/reports/2003/WORLD/0194/747049.html

The Queensland Gaming League had been encouraging people to share material of illegal nature, including child porn and pirated software to other computer saavy community members.

The ring leader of the League, going under the alias "Trog" has been arrested for possession of underage indecent material with intention to distribute.

Several other such computer meets are under investigation and face possible bans of their events.

holly s*** is this true? this is really really bad.

OMG nice work teen !! domain hacking right ? or REAL D:

thats not even remotely funny

yeah its fake

and i believed him and made a thread about it, its gone now. you suck teen I HATE YOU!!!!

/me sexehs teens leet web skillz

66.111.43.11= teens IP

66.111.43.11 == teen's webhost's IP

66.111.43.11 === Teens ICQ IP

ffs we dont need anymore do we !!

66.111.43.11=teen's ass crack ip :P

/me starts port scanning

/me starts neo trace

OrgName: United Colocation Group, Inc.
OrgID: UCG-14

NetRange: 66.111.32.0 - 66.111.63.255
CIDR: 66.111.32.0/19
NetName: ASN-UNCGI-EXC-01
NetHandle: NET-66-111-32-0-1
Parent: NET-66-0-0-0-0

make anything of this ?!

it's probably a webhosting company....

there were also a few other bad cookies doing net sends and shutting people's computer down remotely with win XP server.

too bad things get ruined

yeah, because that's the only way those tards will learn. repetition of "don't be a tool"

You think they are even reading this thread? and in the slim chance they are, I doubt they would take notice what you would say.

This page no longer exists. Our new server has changed the way our directory structure exists - it is possible this file is at a different location. Click the image below:
http://66.111.43.11/reports/fakecnn.png

I read only the first 2 pages.. i really do think people should clean up after themselves i mean there is a bin normally at every second how how hard is it to get up and walk?

i know for some of you that your parents or brothers / sisters put all the crap away but they aint there to clean up after you.. the admins shouldn't have to do it..

grow up or just piss off and don't come back to QGL because u are screwing it up.

I'm 100% behind the admins, sick of people being rude at QGL, leaving garbage around and screaming out and many other silly things, some more serious, I think the admins should look at borrowing some cams from somewhere and having the lan recorded for the 2 days.

Just a thought.

and wtg.. why did i just post under ]SUPERBOSS[

.... hmmm

that's a good idea.

Damn, some of the problems are really disturbing - and just plain shouldn't happen (theft, graffiti, kiddie pr0n). Great work in getting the authorities there quickly, that sort of thing should be stamped out.

Pity about the same stupid problems that keep cropping up time after time (messy areas, kicking out power cords etc). While they're not quite in the same category as the other problems they still shouldn't happen.

Maybe it's time to introduce some sort of roster system where people are required to help cleanup? Maybe nominate a table an hour and anyone sitting at the table has to go round picking up junk?

Or do a round and anyone with junk sitting there gets a whack on the head and told to clean it up. No more than two drink cans on the table at once, that sort of thing.

Maybe give everyone a plastic bag when they come in and take away the big bins altogether. When the person leaves the lan they have to carry their own personal placcy bag full of rubbish out with them?

As for the reserved bit - Maybe people didn't realise they were officially reserved. Maybe they thought a couple llamas just wandered in and stuck handwritten notes on the tables for the heck of it. If QGL is officially reserving tables then printed out labels would be cool.

Actually - that brings another idea to mind. Maybe seating should be organised for you. You don't just go sit wherever the hell you like. Picture this... we have an online system where as you register you nominate the seat you want as well. It can match a diagram (JPG) of the planned layout (they don't vary much between lans do they?). If you want to sit beside friends you nominate a seat beside them. If you're a "random" you can just pick a random vacant seat.

The system could even be tweaked a bit to allow reserved seating, clan bookings etc. If the admins like the idea let me know - I have a friend working on a University seat allocation system. I can talk with him and maybe "borrow" some code to help set it up.

Forgot to add, if you want to roster people for setup/packup I'm all for it. I don't normally hang around for setup cos I leave Saturday or early Sunday. But if you really need the help in packing up say the word.

That system would help in locating people aswell. People could just point to the diagram, and also the admins can know where people are sitting if the authorities need to be called in, or if it's a mystery person talking about theft.

and then attach an IP address perminantly to a person and then you can havbe the persons location, the ip addy and their name

easy

QGL membercards. Trog and the other admins hate the idea, but it would solve a lot of security issues. One person gets an assigned IP, and they don't get it activated until they pay, and swipe their card.

Trog and the other admins hate the idea

We don't hate the idea at all; we've discussed it several times in the past and just never came up with a flaw-free implementation that was simple enough to make it worth taking up.

Damn, some of the problems are really disturbing - and just plain shouldn't happen

I know, I saw this one guy that played UT2003 for hours - I didn't know what to do about that guy, what a sicko

he sittin near the stands? in the "reserved" row? hes a champ....and i wish more people would play UT2k3 like they play CS

sifnt UT2k3 is better than CS

theres even a Tac Ops mod for it!

well I am the sicko that everyone is talking about. :) And I totally agree with fireblood. More people should play it.

No one would play with me. :(

i think i will have to stop going to qgls, adsl is getting cheaper and free local traffic between me and my mates mean that big lans make no offer for us except maybe linux distrobutions and meeting some exceptional older guys with some cool stuff to see. the kiddys are just annoying, with there screaming and breaking there parts, and now theiving, i mean what has gaming come too? u are there to play games, sure there is some cool s*** on the network, but good game competition is easy to get online at home without the d*******s being there, its not exactly the atmosphere that we once had, and surelyt not the atmosphere that most people want to go and and play games in.. i think i will watch the forums, and if it starts to clean up, i will begin to come again, but if not, i think me and my companions who are loyal qgl may have to settle for good old adsl.

Thanks for all the hosting and the admins for helping us out when we needed information or a patch.

LOL! Trog, I thought you were starting to be tempted by the glory that is UT2003 CTF. It's just like Q3 CTF only prettier ;)

I don't mind the idea of ID cards, dedicated IP addresses, fixed floorplans, etc. Basically whatever it takes to make QGL easier to run and more secure when it comes to theft, pr0n, etc. It may take a little while to get it nutted out to start with, but I think in the long run it'd be better, faster and safer for all involved.

Get a swastika armband and you can go around "removing" cheats and trouble makers

I'll do it... I HATE ungrateful f***wits at LANs.

the worst thing about it is, all the tard that f*** about and cause the problems outlined in this thread, will probably never even read this thread.

in fact I doubt any of them even read these forums, they probably just check back to the QGL homepage every now and then waiting for rego to open.

I have no suggestions to fix the problem other than if you see someone doing something wrong, alert an admin.

hopefully now people will just be kicked out on their first offence - according to comon sense of course.

Simply charge more, then with the extra money employ cleaners and roadies to help clean and pack. After all if the community won't act like one then you will have to charge day care rates to accomodate.

Trog those 2 posts were really touching i feel for you. I back your comments 110% Everytime i see you at a qgl you always seem really pissed off and i feel sorry for you. So i try and do my best to clean my area, and others peoples mess AROUND my area. I suggest something like you walk around and if theres s***loads of mess around somebody you kick them out unless they dont clean it up. I find it utterly appoling that people just leave there mess behind. I dont know what mummy and daddy have told you but the qgl admins _DO_NOT_ get P A I D. Therefore they dont have to do s***. They dont have to do any of this. which means they dont have to clean up for you. But they do it. they do it because they want to - because they run the lan and obviously it is within there best interest to keep the area clean because the lan is "theirs" so to speak. But i was impressed last lan at when i went to put something in the bins the only ones i could find were 100% full. which means people actually ARE putting things in the bins. Maybe a few more bins could help make it cleaner?

Anyway on a better note i'd like to thank the admins for the great lans they provide and like to. on behalf of the the QGL'ers - sorry for all the cockweeds

well I am the sicko that everyone is talking about. :) And I totally agree with fireblood. More people should play it.

No one would play with me. :(

i played on the server until id had enough of my ass getting reamed :)

I also saw the FAT GROTTY RETARDS who left all the s*** around the bench outside, there was s*** everywhere and they were still feeding their faces and i doubted if theyd clean it up :/ disgusting slobs!