The GameCube press conference is over, and Nintendo has launched their E3 site with some preview footage of their games before E3 officially starts tomorrow.

All I can say is...wow... If they can get first-generation games to look like prerendered CG (DKR is the main example here), then we are in for some amazing games from Miyamoto-san and pals in the next 5 years.

And to answer the most common complaint on QGL - "Oh, they're all kiddie games!", here's a list of the non-kiddy games for you (there'll be more announced at E3 proper)

• NBA Courtside 2002
  
• Raven Blade
  
• Star Wars: Rogue Squadron 2
  
• Eternal Darkness
  
• Metroid Prime
  
• Perfect Dark Zero
  
• 1080 Snowboarding 2
  
• Madden NFL
  
• SSX: Special Edition
  
• Fifa
  
• Resident Evil 0
  
• NHL and NFL Blitz
  
• Virtual Stiker 3
  
• Phantasy Star Online woooooo!
  
• Thunder Rally
  
• Too Human
  
• Turok
  

...so stop saying "it's all kids games", when it obviously isn't. I'm looking in your direction, Khel ;p

If you're hankering for more 'Cube news besides the official site, check out PlanetGameCube (getting hammered), TendoBox and Cube.ign

Oh, and the release date is September 14 in Japan, November 5 in the US - beating the xbox's release date by 3 days. Talking about the xbox, they had their launch today too, but from all reports it seems they didn't show much game footage, only talked about release plans and already-revealed games from Sega and Capcom.

shouldn't u still be in bed?
where does this unfounded dedication come from?
oh, wait, nintendo?

Nah! carnt be it
:)

oh, and second post!
(like that hasn't been done to death)

<quote>shouldn't u still be in bed?</quote>

Shouldn't YOU still be in bed?!?

Hey, I'm a Nintendo fan, of course I'm going to wake up early to look at movies ;p

The shots of Metroid look sweet, and Pikmin looks like it's going to be a cool puzzler...

go to bed god damnit! :D

no!
mummy said i could do whatever i want when i grow up.

/cops a slap over the head from mummy for being up at this ungodly hour

HOLY s***!! The gameplay footage in the Metroid video looks awesome!! Man, I can't wait until E3 proper...

http://movies.nintendo.com/metroidprime_gcn_export.mov

The ingame footage is in the last quarter of the movie

ok..ok... its ALMOST COMPLETELY kiddie games
better?
and until i see FFX hanging around a nintendo thing i'm running away from them

No oe has said anything about the GBA yet... GBA will be cool cuz at school you could play multiplayer hames of tony hwak 2!!!
and other games

abother thing im too lazy to edit but how mubh will the GBA and agamecube cost and when will it be realeased approximitly?

XBOX release details and prices have been released
http://www.xbox.com/news/0105/1601.htm

E3 Press Conference - Live Broadcast

05.16.01

At 8:30 am PDT, on Wednesday, May 16, during a live webcast, the plans for the Xbox launch were revealed to the world...
Pricing
Xbox will be available at an estimated retail price of $299 USD.
Release Date
Starting Nov. 8, 2001, Xbox consoles will be available for purchase at retail outlets throughout North America.
Quantities
600,000 - 800,000 units will be available on day one.

A rebroadcast of the event is available right here. The full press release is included below.

he he pricing he he

http://www.mcvuk.com/news.cfm?id=840

TendoBox have got a (low quality)* pic of the GameCube/DVD player. If that was shown at the Pre-E3 Nintendo show, then it'll get a worldwide release for sure.

* probably because of extremely high security around it.

Paul, WTF $29 USD for a f***ing dvd remote control!

Pikmin looks cool, kinda like a Lemmings game except the Lemmings can fight back and have to gather food and resources... It's sorta like an ant colony you have to guide/control (except they're not ants)...

Maybe it should be added to the list of mature games...

I think we get GBA 2 weeks after the US or something, which is about the end of June. It'll be about $AU200. (Note: these are estimates as PGC is getting so hammered it's not funny, and they were my main source of GBA info*).
The GCN looks like it'll get released somewhere around March over here, and it'll be about $US200, so it'll be around $AU400, which means it'll own the PS2 and X-Box, cause it'll be so cheap...

* Cause they're pretty easy to navigate through...

<QUOTE>Oh, they're all kiddie games</QUOTE> haha, I wasn't saying that, I was saying they're all plumber games!

...metroid....

ooooh yeeeahh

I am probably the most sad person out of all...I woke up at 3:30am to see the webcast :)

Really? I went to sleep after watching that DKR movie (wasn't going to stay up all night), I knew it'd all be here in the morning. Nice to see Nintendo are doing some official publicity with their E3 site...

Interesting rumour!!! - Nintendo may have bought out Capcom, or is in the process of doing so...

Hmmm, I wonder why noone quuotes are working. Let me try: <QUOTE>Metroid r0X0rs</QUOTE>

I'm just annoyed that they didn't give us anymore info on a European/Australian release date...first half of 2002 just pisses me off a bit....

I think that new game Pikimen or whatever it is looks pretty damn cool...at first it didn't interest me at all...but now it looks kick-arse.

Gamecube r0x0rs

haah GameCube is going to own :P

OMFG!!!!!
some of the screenshots I've seen look AWESOME
Metroid will rock hard

/throws PS2 into rubbish bin

MESSAGE TO SONY:If it wasn't for Gran Turismo 3 I wouldn't have bought you're try-hard DVD player piece of s*** :p

Go check out Xbox. i mean you need a paperweight, s***, what else you gonna put your gamecube game manuals while your playing your GC

I put them back in the game box... Who plans on buying a regular GameCube as opposed to a DVD compatible one? I plan on importing a US DVD-compatible GameCube, that way I can get imported anime DVD's and watch them on it...

Wait a sec, Concerning the issue about the Release Dates.

I can remember from E3 1999/2000 or it could of been SpaceWorld when The president of Nintendo announced the 'Dolphin'.
He said that it would be a WorldWide launch, so as the date draws near then im sure that Nintendo will keep its promises by announcing a Worldwide launch.

all i can say is ahahah

x-box more powerful pfttt, ps2 rofl@sony

X-Box? Why would you want a lame PC in a box with less games?

as much as I hate MS, im backing the X-box in the long run for this next console war.

pc in a box? its going to have exclusive games, and alot more ports over of awesome fps' etc.

I don't think the xbox is going to succeed, simply because it isn't a console.

The major thing keeping console games fresh above others is the fact that programmers can exploit the hardware directly. For example, Polyphony wrote their own libraries for the PS2 so that they could do cool stuff for GT3. Every "generation" of a console's games has had a significant leap of graphics because the programmers managed to figure out how to get the last ounce of power out of those machines.

The xbox, on the other hand, forces the programmer to use a Win2k/CE derivative and DirectX 8. While this may sound nice for first gen games ("look, I can just recompile to get an xbox game!"), it means that there are going to be no "generation jumps" like there are with consoles, because programmers can't use the hardware directly.

This also means that developers are stuck with the libraries MS provides. So, what happens if they stink? Well, developers are stuck with a dodgy API. Compare that to any other console (specifically the PS2), where if the libraries suck you can just write your own (like 80% of PS2 developers have). And don't say "Oh MS can't stuff it up" - look at the shoddy WinCE for Dreamcast as an example.

What does this mean? Well, imagine if Gran Turismo had the same graphics quality as the original Ridge Racer. Or if Zelda or Banjo-Tooie had the exact same graphics quality as the Mario 64. Not very impressive after 5 years of the consoles life, is it?

Also, consoles are designed architecturally different. For example, the PS2 has 5 distinct processors handling different parts of the system, whereas the xbox has only two - GPU and the Pentium. This basically means that the Pentium is going to be doing the job of multiple processors, and if the CPU is running at over 100%, simple things like disc access and controller reading are going to suffer because of it.

I could go on for ages, but the main jist of this is that you can't just put a PC in a box and call it a console - there are a large amount of issues that you have to think of and design for.

(hmmm...I should really save this rant... ;p)

what post?

aha Lowtax perfectly sums up the console hype wars in his latest post.
something awful

and this in his completely objective review of the gameboy advance.

Cons: I hate this thing. I hate you if you don't hate this thing. I also hate your family for not hating you for not hating this thing.

spray, its not so much about the base product ..

MS is a marketing giant, very good at what they do there like it or not. even if the stats didnt keep up, they'd still pimp it to every man and his donkey.

And if you take the example of counter-strike, the game that everyone wants to play is the game that everyone is playing.

Yeah, but CS is different because there is a fun game there.

My point is that while the xbox may be attractive because "it's a PC", it has a lot of negative sides that overshadow any good factors about it, the main one being that it's still a PC and not a console.

I'm sure that even if it was a rebadged Atari Jaguar, MS would still claim is as the second coming and that it beats everything out there - hell, the main guy behind is was also the director of Trespasser, and he did a good job of fooling everyone into thinking it was a good game!

sprayNwipe - Yeah, and then there's also the problem of how stable the OS on the X-Box will be. Sure it'll be stable to start with, but when they try to get everything they can from the system, it'll fall flat on it's arse for sure. And recompiling a PC game to work on the X-Box won't exactly be too straightforward, you'd have to tear out a lot of code that was implemented for features the X-Box doesn't use, and the code might not be stable anyway. And what happens if MS comes up with a new version of DirectX that's written differently? PC software companies will be discouraged from porting titles to the X-Box because they'd have to code it for DirectX 8 as well, when they could use CodeWarrior or something and write it for PC, PS2, and GCN a hell of a lot easier...

spray: you completely missed my point?

im saying cs is not neccesarily the best game out there, but the majority is playing it.

X-box's raw power out ways the competition of the mark and its gonna take some hardcore programmers on the lesser systems to top that.

it might be a pc in a box, but from the look of it MS dont want people to think that by the angles they are taking.

the main thing about console gaming I enjoyed was sitting around on couches with several joypads hammering away at games you could play on the screen at the same time (not mainly split screen), games like snake rattle and roll, bomberman, mariokart.
These kind of gamer defined 'console' for me for a long time.

Recently though we got the snes emulator cranking at Guv's and 4 control pads, some bomberman madness ensued. was an awesome laugh and bridged that PC social gap that we have at lans sitting all on our own machines.

Now obviously your opinion is as a programmer and you're looking at the tech angles more.
I'm just looking at it from a normal Joe consumer angle.

Rcsgd: .. lol what post?

Anyway, I think the best console-style games come from Japanese companies, and a lot of them are'nt giving exclusive support to the X-Box, so it won't win. BTW, the N64 was technically superior to the Playstation, but still didn't do as well, so the X-Box being superior to the PS2 and GCN is no real argument, and considering the GCN is easier to develop for than the PS2, more companies will turn to Nintendo than to X-Box.

huh .. I .. dont know what you're talking about ... :P

lookout, its the forum paparazzi!

I don't know what you're talking about either....

ahahaha gg, but now all your posts are dated later than mine :)

top stuff :P

Not to mention f***ing up the alternating backgrounds on the posts...

Microsoft is new. Microsoft has money. They can pimp what they want BECAUSE of the money. And Microsoft are also scared. When you check out the E3 video "live stream" some dood talks about X-Box etc. Notice in 1 quote he BAGS THE PS2, he is practically saying its s*** and hard to develop for and it is. BUT the only thing he could rag Nintendo about, were the childish games. Now we all know Nintendo have gone with some more "adult orientated" games this time 'round, about bloody time too. I personally think, its just going to be X-Box and The GameCube. I think the ps2 is an overpriced over hpyed DVD player. I know its still got its 2nd Gen games to come etc But so what. Ppl say GT3 is on ps2 etc etc Big f***ing deal. It woulda taken YEARS and ALOT OF HARD UNECCESSARY WORK for that. And metal gear solid? f*** that, the x-box has already got its own version. What i would like to happen is eventually make your console buying choices be based on what games YOU want to play. Not what MARKETING is better for each console. As for developing games for each console. The ps2 pfft, its like finding a needle in a hey stack then once you find it, you f***ing prick yourself with it. X-Box, dunno bout that one, its running off a windows o/s say no more. The GameCube, well well, it is a PROVEN FACT that developers are finding it ALOT EASIER to develop games for the GC. ALSO as quoted by "some developers" ( not sure which ones but it is "confirmed" info ) that the quoted amount of polygons that the gc can pump out is ACTUALLY 100% true. And has lived up to that amount with no slow down. ALL games are running 60fps NO SLOW DOWN WHAT SO EVER. Its all proven fact. If you want info i will give it to you, i have all the proof you need. So far i am only impressed with Halo for the X-Box, and even that seems like a PC game. Its just not a console game, it just doesn't "feel right". One look at the PRE E3 movies of the GameCube and you will be a follower forever. Just thank f*** that the NEw Nintendo console is not cartridge based. PHEW. Till next flame.

The line between PC and console looks to be smudged somewhat by X-Box.

I dont think its a valid argument any more to say a game doesnt 'feel' like a console game.

and the 60fps thing? Goldeneye on n64 had a nice enough frame rate for the most part .. but get 4 players shooting rockets and it just bogs down, and still looks like turd.
even in one singleplayer mission on that ship, if you pan your view fast over the ocean it drops to what feels like about 10fps.
GC will have the same deal if they continue the split screen thing.

Hell the X-Box will probably have the same deal, that's the console problem, you can't upgrade hardware to improve your frames like on a PC .. perhaps that will be remedied somewhat with these new machines.

and as for the cartridge thing .. cartridges had the awesome upside of instant load times and almost the best piracy prevention money can buy.
Not being able to pirate n64 games prolly did more harm that good, as more people would have bought psx's to mod and burn cds .. food for thought.

Kaygen - That's not a flame, that's a rant.

The N64 wouldn't have been so bad if they'd launched the 64DD globally, and earlier in the N64's lifetime...

And I think they'll include some form of linkage with the GCN, they've got the Broadband and 56K adapters planned, maybe they could make a hub device that you plug GCN's into?

And the GCN uses a constant angular velocity drive, so:
1. it'll be hard to pirate even if you can burn mini-DVD's
2. Better load times because the data density stay constant across the disc
3. They could spin the discs the opposite way to conventional CD/DVD drives to f*** over pirates...

The fact that microsoft overestimated everyone of their specs may have something to do with the whole contest too. Personally I think that it will be gcn and ps2. Xbox dont have any good games that you cant get a close substitute on the pc or other console. I mean they say msg2 will come out on the cube too. So with broadband adaptor, ssb: melee, metroid, phantasy star online and a new mario kart and zelda game Im gettin a cube... and lowtax is right the gba will be crap whole bunch of ports that I can get on an emulator and weren't that good to begin with eg super mario advance. The only good thing about it is that it will have a 2D metroid game cos a lot of people think a firs person metroid game will screw it up

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wtf is up with quotes

edited... nevermind theyre working nuke this

spray: you completely missed my point?
im saying cs is not neccesarily the best game out there, but the majority is playing it.

You missed my point as well - I wasn't saying that it was the best game, but however it is a game, and it is a fun game.

X-box's raw power out ways the competition of the mark and its gonna take some hardcore programmers on the lesser systems to top that.

That's completely untrue - the PS2 has more potential power than the xbox, because of that whole generation leap thing I was talking about earlier. xbox titles as a whole are going to be on par with 2nd gen PS2 games/1st gen GC games, however when the 3rd gen PS2/2nd gen GC games come out in a year, the xbox titles coming out are going to look worse because there isn't much optimisation you can do compared to a real console.

and the 60fps thing? Goldeneye on n64 had a nice enough frame rate for the most part .. but get 4 players shooting rockets and it just bogs down, and still looks like turd.
even in one singleplayer mission on that ship, if you pan your view fast over the ocean it drops to what feels like about 10fps.
GC will have the same deal if they continue the split screen thing.

I doubt that, it's just a matter of managing your polys correctly. Rare obviously needed more than 700 polys per frame per view (which is what's available at 60fps 4-ways on the N64) so they slowed down the framerate. F-Zero X, on the other hand, managed it and had 60fps in 4-player mode.

I think since the poly budget is much higher on these next-gen systems, you won't have this problem as much.

Now obviously your opinion is as a programmer and you're looking at the tech angles more

Actually, my opinion is from the angle as a designer, but also as a rabid game freak ;p

There are some consoles that you know are going to fail from day one. Indrema, M2 and Nuon come to mind. I don't think the xbox is going to fail that dramatically, but it's not going to be as successful as the PSX or N64...more of a dreamcast level thing...

i want a gamecube now ffs!!

Hrmm... I kinda suprised this thread isn't dead by now :)

Basically I agree with a number of people who look at it this way... a console is defined by the quality of its games. I'm not gonna buy a console because hundreds of people think I'm a faget nintendo hater, I'm gonna buy a console if it has games I want though.

So far theres enough PS2 games coming that I want to keep the PS2 a firm favourite with me (GT3, MGS2, Devil May Cry, Legacy of Kain: Blood Omen 2, Soul Reaver 2, Smackdown 3). I haven't had a recent look at the X-Box lineup, but theres at least 3 games I've avidly waiting for (Raw is War, HALO and Munches Odeysse), so I'll probably get one of those when they come out.

Gamecube on the other hand? Out of all the games everyones been spamming and getting excited about, only one kinda grabs my attention, the sequel to Perfect Dark. Now, even though I've probably done many other stupid things in my life, but buying a console for 1 game which only kinda interests me, isn't one of them. Now all your nintendo fanboys can flame me if you want, but I'm sorry if I dont cream my pants in anticipation of the Gamecube. I'm sure there are plenty of people out there who are very excited about it, but I'm just not one of them.

Some people have claimed I'm biased, that I have some grudge against nintendo and that prevents me from keeping an open mind, but once again, I'm sorry to disappoint you, this just isn't true. Sure I have made many anti-nintendo comments, but the nintendo fans are just so easy to bait, who wouldn't? If anyone remembers back before the release of the PS2, I used to give it non-stop s*** as well, didn't stop me buying one though :)

Numbers and specs dont impress me. I dont care how many processors the PS2 has. I dont care what angle the Gamecube reads its CDs on. I dont care how big the X-Box's hard drive is. In the end, none of it matters. If the X-Box and the Gamecube are sitting side by side on the store shelf, and one has the games I want to play, and the other doesn't, then its not going to be a hard choice which one to buy.

On the point of marketing though, I think X-Box will be a clear winner. And as Sony proved with the PSX, you dont need to have the most technologically advanced console to win, you just have to mass market it to the plebs and convince them its what they want. I have no doubt Nintendo will market its Gamecube to death in Japan, and probably even win there, it may even put up a decent fight in the US, but in the end I think Microsoft just has enough money and mass market appeal to drown them out. Remember, the majority of people who buy these consoles, and hence make them popular aren't going to be die-hard QGL reading gamers, they're going to be average every day people who may know nothing at all about computers and just want a fun toy to play with.

Uber Rant!

Khel - You should take a look at Super Smash Bros Melee. Super Smash Bros Melee is supposed to retain the gameplay of the original, and Super Smash Bros was one of best fighter in years, simply because it played like a classic 2d fighter, nothing fancy was done to f*** it up. Plus you get to beat the s*** out of Pikachu.

Pikmin might be another choice title, I've read a few impressions and it's supposed to be like an RTS, except it doesn't have s*** controls like most console RTS games, most probably because of the fact that you control a character in the game environment and command the Pikmin with that character.

Then I'd have to suggest Phantasy Star Online version 2, which is obviously set out to make up for the lack of good RPGs that the N64 had.

Khel finally someone who's on track, it doesn't matter which console is 'best' it matters which one is marketed best...case in point

1 The hype machine
Playstation....worst games, worst hardware, best seller
2 True console
Nintendo 64....great games, uber hardware, second place
3 True console
Sega Saturn....great games, uber hardware, just plain died

i just cannot understand how u dont like nintendo games khel....

but on the otherhad i will buy a ps2 when it drops in $, but i get my GameCube first cause i have had every nintendo console and will continue to do so...


mmmmm Metal Gear Solid 2 main reason for me buying a ps2 and other games,

I want one of these (Gamecube/DVD player):


Damn that looks cool, considering how tiny the GameCube is...

Oh yeah Khel, Nintendo fans are no easier to bait than Sony fans, it's just Sony fans give in easier...

What the hell? What's with everyone thinking that the N64 and Saturn are more powerful than the PSX?

The PSX has the highest poly throuput per second of any console in its generation (350,000 from memory), and ignoring the lack of bilinear filtering or perspective-corrected textures is still the most technically superior console.

The Saturn *did not* have uber-hardware. It wasn't even meant to do 3D work until a few months before release.

So it's PSX most powerful, then N64, then Saturn, then 3DO, then Jaguar.

But yes, Khel finally agreed with me on something. It's all about the games. And although Khel doesn't seem to like as many of the GC games as everyone else, there are still more fun games on the GC than the xbox, and that's really the only major battle left in this generation of consoles.

Marketing is a major force, but it isn't the only thing that sells consoles past day one. Look at the Saturn - sold heaps of consoles on day one because of huge marketing, everyone realised it was crap, and then no-one bought anymore because word of mouth went around.

I would've bought a Saturn but I was happy with my SNES, I wish I could pick one up second-hand with Virtual On and NiGHTS...

I bought a saturn, mainly just for VF2, and the Virtua Cop games. I am the uber l33t Virtua Cop Mastah!!

does that Gamecube make toast also?? :P

Sure as hell looks like it dangles

Khel: My uncle used to be a sales rep for sega. trust me , i'd skool you at virtua cop :)

DaytonaUSA, sega rally on saturn and VF2 owned virtua cop and NiGHTS were awsome too...none of that ultra slooow PSX loading either...heh

rcsgd...Virtual On sucked ass

dammit i want broadband so i can download the movies :(

i gotta agree with dangles it looks like a toaster
hehe dangles want me to burn em 4 ya
hahahaha

Cezar: In your dreams! I spent more money on VC 1 and 2 in the arcades than I care to think about, and then far far too many hours on it at home when I bought it. sif you wouldn't go through the entire game doing only justice shots and not losing a life.

The points system was kinda gay though, the easiest way to high score was just to triple tap each bad guy. Counts as three hits/kills even though it was only one guy :P

The saturn version was especially hardc0re cos you could turn off the green target targets and be truly l33t.

spray....the saturn had dual-CPU goodnessHow Saturn did uber 3D

vc with blue plastic gun...so many memories...

Yeah, but that second processor was bolted on at the last minute as a knee-jerk response to the Playstation.

As you can imagine, the unthoughtout addition of an extra processor made it a bitch to code for, such as the fact that only one processor could access memory at a time

And again, US and Japan get the goods this YEAR WE have to wait AGAIN till next Year in MARCH!!!!! f***THAT. Why are we left behind is PAL formattting/ whatever really honestly THAT hard to do? why can't we have the same versions. ARGH GC guess the GBA will have to do till then i spose.

1) GameCube is the ugliest piece of technology i've ever seen

2) Nintendo make s***ty games

3) The people who develop for Nintendo make s***ty games

4) Anything Nintendo has made past the SNES has been absolute pants.

5) PS2 ownz

6) DreamCast would be owning if SEGA hant pissed it off

7) ..|,

yeah that's dumb i still remember soldering the mainboard on my amiga so i could switch between PAL and NTSC it ain't all that difficult, and most tv's can now handle 60Hz anyway...

I hope they don't build in territorial lockouts on the PAL systems, then I'll import a GCN and a few games, then buy domestic releases when it actually gets here...

quite concievable with a DVD-ROM as the reader...pox2, gaycube, and ex-box should be completely import protected...so too bad if you want a game early or buy from overseas or the game you want is japan or us only...!

Nah Nah Nah. They shouldn't have the "lock" on the games anymore, i mean whats it to protect us from? ANd in a way if they DON'T have the lock on. They will be making more MONEY off us from waiting for releases here. Take a look at the ozzie dollar. Heh just an idea. If they are gonna make US wait for games to be released why not , not have the lock on so atleast they get some extra cash for the imported titles

máxe - Nintendo make good games. Mario Tennis is the most fun tennis game in existence. F-Zero X is a briliant racer, pure speed, just because the cars aren't real, doesn't make it any worse than any other driving game. Super Smash Bros. kicks arse, fun multiplayer game. And like everyone didn't think Goldeneye was good.

PS2 sucks arse. Sony made the Playstation to be an easy development environment for third-parties. They basically threw that out the window with PS2, and it's going to kill the PS2.

I can't believe I'm the one that has to say this, but the PS2 isn't going to die. There are some nice games coming out for it soon (TH3, Wipeout Fusion, Getaway, MGS2, GT3). While it's harder to code for, it's also a beast of a box that if coded right can produce some nice results.

The PS2 isn't going the way of the DC any time soon. Although the launch titles sucked ass, the titles this xmas are going to be up there with the GC's.

I didn't said it'd be dead soon, but it's going to lose developers because it's going to take too long to get the results. That's what the appeal of the PS2 is, it's meant to retain all the third party support that the PSX had, but even some of the PSX's biggest developers are having doubts now, before any alternative is available on the market.

I think you'll find it's a lot easier to get results on the PS2 than some people are making out.

Either way, Sony's biggest drawcards are sticking with the PS2 (Polyphony, KCEJ, Psygnosis, Square)

Konami and Square are looking to develop for all consoles, and I'm pretty sure Sony have bought most of Psygnosis.

That would be good, square finally back on Nintendo Systems

The ywa I see it PS2 will most certainly not die, no matter if it the crappest console.

"It's a SONY!"

I think that says it all.

nintendo will be forever around to make GREAT FUN GAMES. it is what they are really truly good at. It has a fantastic Franchise base too.

xbox. Made by Microsoft. The way I see it, never underestimate microsoft. I bet they could pack purple flavoured craps ina box, and still make it sell well. Same goes for SONY to actually, more so actually. However it does seem to be building quite a developer base. let's hope it doesn't pull a 64, or shock horror a dreamcast, or scarily a saturn!

ofcourse let's face it we can't predict too accurately simply because they haven't come out yet. We'll see by the end of 2002 who is king.

I just wish a standard was made for making games, and developers all made games for this. Imagine for a second that laserdisc, VHS and DVD were all popular and games all came out on a particular one, and if they came out on someth else they were a bit different. You would go crazy.

Ofcourse this is a pipe dream as hardware is constatntly evolving.

play the games you like.

Umm a game coming out on VHS? What drugs you on?

Ack. sorry, I was trying to make a point and say for example the mentioned formats were all popular for movies, not games. A comparison.

haha, funny thought though when ya think about it though..

Not really

Mario Tennis is the most fun tennis game in existence

bwahahahahaha.... you haven't played Virtua Tennis much have you?

Its all good for people to support Gamecube, but isn't it a little arrogant to let it blind you to the possibilities of all the other consoles? I mean, the Nintendo fanboys (or as I like to call them, the Plumber Club), always jump on me as soon as I say anything bad about the Gamecube and love telling people how good it is and it shouldn't be dismissed out of hand.... yet are doing exactly the same thing to all the other consoles?

I wonder if we can all say "Hypocrisy"

hmmmm i dont care me buy whatever if it has the games i like...

Khel - Virtua Tennis only offers greater realism by having human players. It's far more fun to play Mario Tennis, and all my friends agree(including someone who owns Virtua Tennis, that's how I played it). We don't really slag off the games, we slag off the consoles, as opposed to you who slags off Nintendo games and consoles.

Me getsign an xbox.

if nintenod can get mario kart going, wave race and zelda. I'll be set, atleats for a few months, then back to xbox. or ps2.

Hrmm... I can see how a game of tennis played with little fat plumbers swinging tennis rackets using their grossly undersized chubby little arms could be lots of fun.

Actually, no, I can't.

<quote>I mean, the Nintendo fanboys (or as I like to call them, the Plumber Club), always jump on me as soon as I say anything bad about the Gamecube and love telling people how good it is and it shouldn't be dismissed out of hand.... yet are doing exactly the same thing to all the other consoles? </quote>

Okay, the only reason that they've been "jumping on you" is because up until a few days ago, you'd been declaring the xbox as the second coming, when it's obviously got a *lot* of work in front of it to become a contender. I hope that I'm not in that club, since I have to agree that some of the Pro-GC posts here have been completely stupid (and that's coming from a GC lover ;p).

Yes, there are one or two people here who can't seem to see past the cube, but it's really sad for them. I'm really excited about 5-6 games each on the PS2, GC and GBA, and borderline interested on JSR Future on the xbox. As for VT vs MarioTennis, I'd have to say VT has the upper hand, mainly because I skool everyone with my lobs o' death.

What annoys me is the fact that MS have managed to build up all this hype for something that they have demonstrated a complete lack of knowledge of, and people/suckers have bought it hook, line and sinker. The xbox isn't going to revolutionise anything, and it'll have to be extremely lucky to get a usable market share. It also, contrary to popular belief, doesn't have that much console developer support - Hideo Kojima is probably the most notable developer who has said that it's crap.

Sony in 95 had the advantage of console developer support, a superior product at a low price, and a year lead time on their nearest real competitor. MS have a whole bunch of PC developers, a technically inferior product in real-world situations that costs $100US more than their competitor at release, and are a year behind the PS2 in both physical release and developer support.

We can ultimately argue this back and forth until xmas, but the fact is that MS is coming in as the supreme underdogs, and they haven't doing anything solid to show that they can make a successful console in the same way that Sony did in '94-95.

Can't look past the characters, can you? It's a fun game, just because the characters are Nintendo mascots doesn't make the game suck arse.

Yeh ninteno makes fantastic fung games, though usually short lived, still..

The single player may be short lived but the multiplayer is great. How long did most of you people play Half-Life's single player game till moving on to multiplayer and mods. It's the same deal with console games. Multiplayer is usually what keeps them alive, unless it's an RPG or adventure game.

Oh, and walking mushrooms. Honestly, walking mushrooms should NOT be able to play tennis. Driving a kart.... yes... ok... I suppose I can live with that... but Tennis! Mr mushroom guy should leave the tennis playing up to his tubby little plumber pals.

Or you could just play Virtua Tennis on the Dreamcast and lay the smaq down as Carlos Moya.

I just feel sorta sorry or nintendo in some ways. Just imagine, your average schmoe walknig inot an electronics store, he doesn't know what games are what, or care, he just wants a bit of entertainment on the side.
But between the PS2 xbox and GC, he'll porbably pick the ps2 or xbox because the game cube looks like it should have "fisher-price" branded on the side of it. No offence to nintendo, I am quite looking forward to it.

You see we can discuss console wars all day about who is going to win etc. But really us people, who know a thing or two about them and such (games, hardware etc), make up a small minority. The mainstream deceides who wins.

Just some food for thought.

Khel - What does it matter what your character is? I bet you'd argue that the right paddle was better than the left paddle in Pong, based on your arguments here. Who cares if you're a walking mushroom? It's just a representation of you on screen.

i'd rather be controlling some chick than a mushroom....

Why? She's a bunch of polygons ffs.

Well really. I like disney movies, there fun look fantastic, and enjoyable. But if I had to watch Dsineys movies all the time, and be deprived of some more dark, moody atmosphere, I'd go crazy.

Cailean - If you're getting at the point that Nintendo is the Disney of the game industry, I'd say you're wrong. Eternal Darkness is coming out around launch time for the GCN, and I think hacking up the undead isn't very kiddie, nor is Duke Nukem Forever (also announced for the GCN).

Also, third-party support is getting more diversified. If you've kept up with your news you'd know that Square and Enix are probably the only major developers who haven't announced support for the GameCube.

Yeh, I suppose i was a little.

Well I am just scared that the only good games will be the kiddy ones.

Ok I have (and love a 64). hands down, the best game I have ever played was/is goldeneye. Second to that came zelda :ocarina of time. Then Perfect Dark and zelda64 2. (of which I never bothered to finish).

point being, There is basically 4 games on the 64 I am willnig to play any time. ofcoruse there are some toehrs I don't own, that i would like to. (RE, WAVE RACE!!, etc.)

But basically the 64 had a poor range, and the only decent games to paly were kiddie. IMO.

Also, just because those games are comnig out, doesn't mean they are good.

Ofocurse we'll enver know till it coems out, we can only really go on from other peoples opinions.

A PS2 is basically the only sure bet someone can make at the moment.

Why is the PS2 the only sure bet? At one stage, it had sold 2.2 million units of software compared to 4 million units of hardware. Hell, in Japan there was an anti-PS2 group, people who were dissatisfied with it so much after buying it. That kind of thing was unheard of before then.

Well, according to the E3 reports, most GameCube software would have to be completely rewritten to suck, the only game I read complaints about was Starfox Adventures: Dinosaur Planet, and that was because Rare ported the N64 code to the GCN (it would run fine for a bit then the game would stop to load).

Sure bet as in it is the only one released and one we can freely play, and base our own opinios on, not to mention it really isn't bad at all IMO.

I am looking forward to GC and xbox as much as the enxt guy, but let's face it, no one has really played it, and we are all going of other peoples opinions and statistics, which to be frank mean absolute dick.

All during e3, all I read aobut was how good xbox was blah blah blah, but now everywhere I go, I see negative comments towards it, (namely Halo and the controller) Opinios change all the eime, as mine are (quite frequently actually, I have gone from wanting a PS2 to xbox to GC, to all 3 or 2, or whatever in the last half hour.

Yeah, the biggest problem is finding unbiased sources on the web, but I read alot of people did find the XBox to be a good platform, but it was disappointing to hear that it crashed, and it's controller stinks.

I think the most unbiased ones are usually the nastiest ones atleats towards some things anyway. unfortuantely.

check this (besides the obviously biased DNF talk, not neccessarily a bad thing)
click!

edit: oh yeh no html.
here is teh link anyway

http://finger.stomped.com/archive.php3?archive=brandonr%7Cfinger.3drealms.com%7C2001-05-21%7C0010

No wonder DNF is taking so long... 33% tech staff? Should be 40% at least...

I'd argue that by saying with hardly any game play staff, the game wouldn't be done at all.

Ofcourse you still need tech staff to amek it run smooth, bubt still.

Anyway statistics /= real life. Things flow around etc.

I guess it depends on how you make the game. Miyamoto has only a few other gameplay staff with him, most of them are tech staff, and his games are pure genius.

<quote>...and his games are pure genius.</quote>

100%

It all varies I suppose. Not to mention, but I'd bet even the 'few' gameplay staff equal QUITE a few.

Actually, He's getting less involved in his games, so they've probably got more gameplay staff. After all, he had to design the GCN controller, and supposedly has more than 20 titles in the works..

Yeh he would probably over see quite few. But that jsut means mroe great games for us :)

That's what you can count on nintendo doing, keeping it real, so to speak. They may not have a grand marketing scheme like sony, or a DVD built in, or any other hoo-dab stuff.

But damn, they make great games.

Yeah, But they've licensed the technology to Matsus***a, which has to be one of the best business decisions in years. If you want a DVD player in your console, expect to pay extra, if you don't, then you can get it cheaper. A very smart move (better than releasing an add-on).

And they have a great marketing scheme: We make good games, 'nuff said!

Yeh I agree totally.

I had heard about the DVD enabled GC, wondered if it was a good move or not. Never saw anything of it till you posted that pic before. My god, that is the swankiest piece of console I ever seen! Good move nintendo.

Woohoo, the price for GCN will be $US199.95! That means a GCN will be $400. Good to see Nintendo know how to price things, considering the SNES and N64 were $300 when they first came out, and the PS2 was $700. They've basically got a license to print money.

PS2 in the US was $300, so by your reckoning it should have cost only $600 here, which it didn't; I'll be impressed if they manage to keep the price around $400 though.

Well, even if they make it $500, it's still beating the competition. Isn't X-Box planning to sell for $US399? That's easily $800-900.

the GameCube is $400 australian and now that you can only get the XBOX BUNDLED with software for pre orders ITS TIME TO LAUGH AHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Thats one f***ING good price. What media does the games come on though? Isnt it some custom disk? If so I doubt ill be getting one.

Yeah, its a custom cd in the shape of a fat italian plumber.

Its a properitory DVD format thats about 5 cm big, it can hold like 1.5 GB. Basically its to stop your "smaller" pirates and the idea is that only the professionals are going to be able to pirate the games this way.

We shall see if it works I suppose.

And dont forget about it being in the shape of a fat italian plumber, thats gonna be a pretty big marketing angle.

ahah khel your a f***ing moron. Your not even a gamer. You "own" a ps2. Good for you heres 40cents. The only thing holding the PS2 in oz atm is GT3 and Onimusha.

y was this thread revived??

Because Kaygen needed to re-assure himself that selling his soul to nintendo was the right thing to do. Is it working? Feeling any better?

Here, have a biscuit, it'll make you feel better, its even red and plumber shaped. I drew a moustache and a beret on it to make you feel more at home.

Anyone remember the Dreamcast?

whats a dreamcast?

Damn, let this thread die!

Khel, give it up. We're not taking the bait anymore. There's no point trying to have a rational discussion with someone about consoles when all they do is bag it out because of a game that hasn't even been announced yet.

You don't like Mario? Whoopde-f***ing-doo! I guess now we all know, if the 50 other "ooh plumber ahhahaha nintendo = plumber" posts didn't get the point across.

I don't like Final Fantasy that much, but you don't see me going "ps2 sux0rs because final fantasy oh go play with your oversized turn based sword l4mer". Why? Well, for starters, I don't use l33t speak much, but mainly because I can see that there are other games that interest me besides FFX.

Take the plumber pants off your head and have an objective look at the games. I bet if half of them were on the PS2, you'd be raving about them. Just because it's on the GameCube doesn't make it some evil plumber conspiracy game.

And on that note, I"m not reading this thread again until Triumph gets page viewing ;p

hahaha GO SPRAY!!

Bah PS2 Ownz GC/Xbox :P

Khel, give it up. We're not taking the bait anymore

Really, cos it looked like I reeled in a whopper there!

teheheh, khel try hard gamer. Who's opinions are biased

Who's opinions aren't biased? An opinion, by definition, is biased. My opinion is my personal take on things, just as your opinion is your personal take on things. Of course its going to be biased.

Stop saying such silly things Kaygen. You give nintendo fans a bad name.

My opinions have not come up in this thread. Its all factual knowledge based on sale. gamers and developers

I recently got a Gameboy Advance, and its so much fun that I think I might get a Gamecube...I don't really know what games are gonna be on it, but I have looked at the PS2, and there doesn't seem to be many interesting games on it :(

Gamecube. March 02. f*** too many to mention atleast 12 titles for our launch here.

PS2 atm only GT3 MAYBE Tekken Tag and DoA2. Some cool ass'ed stuff coming out for it mid next month - chrissy

Really, cos it looked like I reeled in a whopper there!

Heheh not quite - if I'd bit, I'd be defending Nintendo. Instead, I "pulled a Khel" and directed the flame at something indirectly related ;p

From now on, I'll just post console stuff to other forums - no point posting it here, since I'll get the same canned reactions as we have for the last year or so...

Yes GCN is gay because i cannot afford one. And i suck Sony's cock. YaY for me. I am too afraid to get GCN because its quality!

is this the begest thread ever ?

Yes GCN is gay because i cannot afford one. And i suck Sony's cock. YaY for me. I am too afraid to get GCN because its quality!

Its good you can admit that now Kaygen, I'm glad you're opening up to your sexuality more. Repressing it isn't going to help in the long run.

ahahahah, so so pwned

Khel only knows from experience with his own homosexuality...

Tung go suck Khel's cock and vice versa. 2 ppl who base their console knowledge on their opinions