Recently, some people from this forum have displayed racist behaviour. For me, this is a pretty interesting issue that has a major effect on our society.

I would like to hear your thoughts on this subject.

Do you think there is a major racism problem in Australia?

Why do you reckon there is such a conflict between the races, is it deeper than simply looking different?

Some people think that certain races seem to be the source of a lot of violence and crime. For example, Aboriginals and Islanders have a reputation of being extremely violent and aggressive, and Vietnamese are generally thought of as drug dealers who form criminal ghetto's (Cabramatta etc). Are these views well found and accurate?

It sounds like alot of people need to air their opinions, so let's approach this maturely and say something a bit more insightfull than "Yeah dem gooks r gay" or you will most likely get nuked.

Racism...?

No strex, f*** off

you are NOT starting a gay childish flame war about racism

Don't even f***ing start, there is no such thing as racism, it's simply the stupid man's insult to another stupid man.

f***ing get over it, racism doesn't exist, it's simply a f***ed expression of distaste from one person to a general minority of another race.

I'll say it again

You are NOT starting a flame war on a childish subject that lives in the minds of the stupid

nah we prefer childish flame wars with no basis at all

f***ing get over it, racism doesn't exist, it's simply a f***ed expression of distaste from one person to a general minority of another race.

Yeh, racism doesn't exist, all it is is when one person dislikes another race, you IDJIT!

well im white, but have an aboriginal brother (not swiss_cheeseman) so i take any racist s*** personally. (although my bro is perfectally capable of taking care of himself)

i think racism is born from ignorance and stupidity. just before on irc people were making jokes saying things like "asian people have wide-vision because of their eyes" i went on to ask them to stop being racist and they said that wasn't being racist.

thats bulls*** cos i would be offended by jokes like that. whether something iss racist or not doesnt depend on what the person saying s*** thinks, its the people that get offended and the way they interpret it that matters.

i have not seen much racism much first hand, and i am not a violent person and NEVER get in physical fights cos most of the time it wouldnt be worth it. but, say i was with a black friend or asian friend and someone started saying racist s***, and wouldnt stop, if i was not in a good mood that day it would probably put me over the edge.

think about how it would feel to not get a job, or to be refused entry to rent a house cos there were no spots, and the next day watching as a white person applies and gets accpeted. there are f***wits out there like that and personnally i think they are the most low people on the planet that havent commited an actual criminal offense.

i dont think racism has a place in this country, be that whites being racist towards asian, blacks etc, or vice versa

This topic will be permitted to stay providing it stays on topic and within the scope of the question strex asked - any slaw generated by people spouting racist comments will not impress me.

einstein he isnt trying to start a flame war about rasism

he is asking our views on the subject

and if u believe rasicm dosent exist then u r extreemly stupid

Yes, the flames were saved for the "Pond scum" thread.

How ppl choose approach this topic is of there own better judgement, and just ignoring this issue of racism and pretending it doesn't exist, is not going to rectify anything.

Anyway, I was thinking about racism lately, because at a recent night out clubbing I was called "Skipp" and "White boy" - these were meant to be racist slurs, but they had no effect on me whatsoever.

Interesting.

holy s*** 4 posts in teh time it took me to write that one

oh man...

i can't believe this s*** still exists in some places.

define racism in your own words Strex, as many people see the subject from different angles. Highlighting a definition of what you believe is racism may help calm the slaw which is to follow. Props for bringing up such an important topic btw.

Being the member of the overwhelming majority and then being insulted about it tends not to affect people. I guess I'm not sure why, but whether it qualifies as racism, or if that kind of reverse racism is not recognised in society, I don't know.

It's the same with sexism, like if some chick made a crack and said "Get your ass out the back where you belong and do the gardening", you wouldn't really get insulted. However saying "Get your ass into the kitchen where you belong and do some cooking" is a certain way to get females irate.

Very, very interesting indeed.

i wonder if some of the racist people on this forum will try and justify their stupidity in this thread?

Cabramatta.. More generally known as Vietnamatta :)

And I have about 5 vietnamese friends, and none are what I would consider dodgy. One of which is doing medicine at UQ. So I beleive thats you cant stereotype a race to a particular set of characteristics, unless its whats accepted in their culture. And its just wrong to criticize another races' culture.

Difference makes the weak and stupid uncomfortable.

Racism. s***. we would all get along better if we could get over our ego's there are some "groups" of ppl that come to australia, thinking they are all cool, and they run the joint. Or they bully ppl in schools, public places etc. I have nothing against other ppl. at all. i just hate it when they (for some reaso) think they are better then some other ppl

Wow f***pot thats the most intelligent post i have seen you write and will prolly ever see :) Altho i didnt read it all cuz im lazy....

Einstein ; my god u are completely ignorant and fuking stupid.... the amount of tension due to race in the world is phenominal.... look at countries like indonesia... two different "tribes" of people fight over land .. to us they are of the same race but to them they are of different blood line and land ownership and this ends in a lot of hatred and bloodshed that is not neccessary but to some people its a way of life the way they have been brought up.

I don't want to start a flame was with you but unless you grow up and mature in your views you may end up in the s***... altho at the same time and thats your view and you feel equal towards all others than i can almost see your point justified... any word or fight put up against some1 is one stupid man's plege against anothers regardless of race or religon ect. It normally takes a certain person and not a certain race to stem these types of arguments.

StreX personally I am not racist as far as I try to view myself, however I do have dislikes for minority groups like all you little 16 y/o hommie G's out there that klisten to limp bizkit and eminem and then cuz you are bored on a friday nite and havnet taken the time to get an educated you go smoke your weed and bash peoples car's in ajealous fit of rage trying to fit into a society where you think you are better.... no matter your race you little fuks i would kill you all if i could..... U wanna trash a piece of some1's property then get a job buy your own car and smash it yourself!...

There you go....
oh and I hate every1 at QGL cept Nats cuz i have to live with him.

yeah, racism is something i am very passionate about (being anti-racist that is) and therefore know some s*** about :)

You lub me mickey. =]

Of course I do plague :)

Racism is something I'm both aware of and have a large disliking for; I really hate blanket "stereotype" statements (to those doing 1st/2nd year uni, I recommend doing some intro psych courses, its really interesting). I've had many friends of asian-descent during my lifetime and as such I'm particularly aware of racism against "asians".

One smart "asian" friend I have received an OP1 and speaks better english than I do. He wasn't born in Australia either - statements like "they dont bother to learn the language" annoy me. I'd agree that perhaps foreign people not making an effort to learn rudimentary english is a problem - but its not limited to any particular "race" (if such a thing exists).

An intesting thing happened the other day, a friend who doesn't know many of my other friends was playing basketball with us. At a party later that night, for whatever reason I was asked to describe this person. Without thinking, I described him as a "tall, thin black guy"; but I noticed a sort of uneasy laughter around me. It was obvious that some of the people regarded my comment as quasi-racist.

As I said at the start, I'm very much against racism; to me calling my friend "black" was the easiest way to differientiate him from the other basketball players (who were all "white"). There (at least to me) was no racist connotation, I was simply describing the colour of his skin.

I know I'm going off at an angle a bit, but what do people think of this? Have we become so anti-racism that even referring to people as "black" or "white" is frowned upon (or at least, not-quite-accepted?)

And to follow up on Lyco's "get back in the kitchen" comment, to my experience, that sort of comment is becoming a "on-purpose" sexist joking insult, which (at least my) female friends would laugh at (or at the worst, fire back another joking-insult). To me, that indicates that, at least in my age & friendship group, we really are getting over the whole sexism thing.

you see darkangel, making racist jokes as you just did is ummm, racist!

DarkAngel, it's not funny dood..... I wont be suprised if Trog Nukes that....

I agree with what Nat's said.... however yes have we come to the point where describing someone by there skin color is a form of racism.... if you were white but very tanned and someone asked to describe you , no doubt anyone would say that you had dark skin... much the same if you were referring to a person that was "black"... I dunno if that makes sense but as an adjective I really believe that its ok.

Yeh, going on what nathan said..

I sometimes feel uncomfortable even saying thyings like 'black' 'asiain' or whatever in the fact that some people might mistake me for being racist. Really though it's not like it's a secret, if someone is black, they are black just as I am white. However, sometimes I feel teh racism issue is way blwon out of proportion (in different way) so that something not remotely racist, can appear to be.

Not the ebst way to expalin things, just my 2c.

as i said, if you use the adjective 'black' to describe someone, and the person DOESN'T take offense to it, then its not racism

if you describe someone as black, and they DO take offense to it, then it is a racist remark and you should stop saying it

darkangel, man u are a f***head!!!!!! every post on here has expressed someones opinion in a mature and sensible way, and then u go say something stupid like that. u are a d*******

doesnt bother me, trog will nuke it very soon

I think the problem with Racism is a problem on more than one level. Sure, down at its very based is just a hatred/dislike for people of another race, or maybe not even that but just a biased or predjudiced outlook on people of another race. I'd have to say I personally dont condone any of that, but to me, the problem doesn't end there.

The problem can also come from another angle; people who are so used to having predjudice thrust upon them, they immediately get defensive at the smallest comment, be it racist or not. Sometimes people are so keen to discover racism, they will invent it when it isn't even there. Like what Nathan was saying above, some people took his comment as a kinda of racist comment, even when it was as far from it as possible.

I dont think racism is necesarily calling someone names, its more the attitude behind that. If you're joking around with a friend, and you both know you're just joking around, and you're calling each other names, is that being racist? Theres more to being a racist than just throwing around a few insults. Like I said above, racism is a hatred/predjudice against another race; racial slurs are just one way that can be expressed. As far as I'm concerned, if I'm joking around and people are throwing around those names, I wouldn't even dream of taking it in a racist way, because I know there is no hatred behind it at all.

And its those people that I mentioned above, so defensive and so ready to take offense at the smallest comment, be it in jest or not, that I think are as much of the problem as the racists.

Remember that episode of the Simpsons that made fun of australia? Would you call that racist? Would you get offended by a cartoon making fun of you and treat it as racist? Some people would I'm sure, and thats the problem. Everyone talks about wanting to end racism, but it seems at least a minority of the population aren't willing to just let it go, and until that can happen, nothing is going to go foward.

i dont care wot race u r. if ur a dum c***. ur a dum c***

if friends r calling eachother names (racist names i assume) and its all in good fun, they could still be doing the wrong thing.

if in a workplace for example, someone overhears what they r saying and take offense to it, then it is harrassment based on race, and action can be taken.

you have to be careful what you say cos the person sitting in front of you could take offense to it

Hahaha Genocide thats why no one likes you regardless of their race.

I'm not racist. Would I watch anime if I was?
People call me White Boy all the time. That's because I'm as pale as a piece of paper. I actually accept it as a compliment.

Mick: re indonesia, i think you are mistaking racisim/tribal warfare with greed. indonesia's greed and that of the people who fought the guerilla war stuff.

greed will always be worse than racism, or anything else you care to mention, simply because it is a universal language. like money.

my 2c

gomer yes and no... i guess greed was the originiality however it stemmed into more of a battle between tribes because of their tribal blood... in a closed society it's very similar to racism.... I just wanted to use it as an example to show that it does push people to the brink of war.....

Kinda same deal with Palastine and Israel.. however i guess you would call that a relgious outburst that has been fighting for a long time now.

Why do you reckon there is such a conflict between the races, is it deeper than simply looking different?

i think that it's because there is so many differnet races here and the australians are almost outnumbered by the other races that there is a sort of power struggle, and the right-wing activists (like the guy wanting the "coon" cheese banned) dont help matters much either, a little co-op would go a long way these days

i think its my turn here.

Im Sri Lankan, and i have encountered numerous jibes about my 'curry muncher' heritage (GOD DAMN YOU AXIS! :) but it has never really bothered me... what does however is prejudiced stereotypical comments... mainly made by those of the older generation... my parents included

statements that all asians are bad drivers, are stingy, etc etc really bug me, because as a member of a few easily sterotypical groups (under 25, male, sri lankan) i know that stereotyping is harmful to our relationships with others. Now, i know that some people may think they have valid basis for sterotyping, but remember, dont let the rotten apple spoil the bunch.

Oh, and i always take racist jibes pretty well, especially calls of n***** and paki (not so much here as in england) but when my friends get racilaly taunted i dont react particularly well to it.. God knows ive got into enough scuffles becuase ive stood up to defend a friend that was being verbally abused - if only the world wasnt so jealous...

Which brings me to my next point - 'Asians are stealing our jobs etcetcetc' this is not true - what is true is that in GENERAL (please note the general statement) asians seem tob e hardworking, i do believe that is a culture thing - and therefore they seem to be getting the promotions ahead of others... i really dont like bigoted comments like that

/end rant

Tung - your friendly Tamil Tiger Guerilla Extremist

racism and generalisations go hand in hand

but my generalisation is well founded - have a look at the schooling systems in asiaan countries... far advanced to what we have here. Year 10 chemistry in sri lanka is equivalent to the stuff im doing now in uni...

Tung

i actually saw this racist discussion thing on beauties and the beast during the holidays.

racism is a problem. games like cs i'v seen poeple slabbing insults such as you f***ing c00n whore blah blah. then when i tell them to stop. they refer to the "oh its only the last name of that cheese dude". quite pathetic.. even for a 12 yr old.

but ppl these days are being too concious about being racist etc. if your black your black. if your brown (like me!) your brown etc. this is probably due to the media blowing the whole racist issue out of proportion as someone said earlier. racism is not that bad out in the public, but through the internet where ppl can remain anonymous behind thier screen - there are problems, and really - there is no way of stopping it.

i read somewhere that all races think they are supreme to the other races, and i believe that is true to some extent, but learning to keep views to yourself when others may be insulted is a lesson of life, and remember, weather they'r black, white or brown - they can still kick your ass.

my 2¥$£

Racist behaviour and actions are inevitably a sign of an inferior intellect.

It's going to annoy some people reading this, but Australia truly is a very racist country. I love being an Australian, but the vibe over here is pretty full on. Quite a few mates from overseas comment on how overt it is in Australia.

Australian's often seem to confuse intolerance of racism with being a do gooder, or being overly politically correct, I'm sure I'm not alone when I consider the open expression of racist thoughts and ideas to be a backward step for any developed country.

And don't even get me STARTED on how we have treated Aborigines in this country.

Why can't we all just be friends...and pick on those ppl MOST deserving:

no i wasnt having a go at you, i was referring to your comments of "all asians are bad drivers" that is just bulls***.

i think taht saying i can't even make racist jokes to my asian friends si just stupid, i say f*** off, i will have my humour, i have asian friends and i make jokes aboutthem all the time and they laugh, they calme a white boy and i laugh, so you can f*** off if that upsets you because the whole point of friendsis you don'thave to tip toe arodun them you can say whatever and your still mates.

i dont see a problem with describbing someone by their race, like mick said, if i was describing a very tanned white person i woud say, he's got really tanned skin but he's white. and no we don't say "he's white" when describign another white person becasue if yourin a group with other white peole, and most your friends are white, taht's what your used to, and when describign another person you will onyl name those traits taht sets them apart from the norm... is this wrong? is this born of any malice towards otehr races? NO! it just comes naturally and im not gonna have soeone tell me im being racist if im just acting normal and have no dislike towards otehr races.

sometimes it is easy to label certain types of people, i will freely admit that i get annoyed with asian people that don't speak english well and don't understand stuff properly. taht sounds harsh but let me explain, you'll find thesepeople don't learn teh conventions of our society, they are impolite, they push in in lines, they are inconsiderate because they just wander round behaving however because they have never learnt what's expected in this country. now don't tellme im full of s***, you go to china, and you'll see that people have very little reguard for others, to get on public transport its accepted to punch and kick your way to the front, there are next to knwo traffic laws, its crazy, then they coem here and behave the same way, that s***s me. now it sounds like im anti-asian but im not... im anti anyone who comes to our country and then behaves this way. in my experience its usually asians that act like this, but that is prolyl just becasue there are more asian imigrants than other races, prolyl all people who come here and don't knwo the way we work will act like this. Now also i have asian friends and get on fine with them, even at school i had friends who were boarders from taiwan, lotsofthem didn't speak english all that well, well enough of course for me to talk to em and be mates but i often had to explain some words. that's ok, but in public i migh tgrumble to myself "f***ing asians" when im standing in line and one pushes straight past me, or im waiting at kfc while some ditsy lookgin asian chickin her f***gin bizzare fasion style stands at the counter in indecision, having to ask whateach item is, changing her mind, jumpign up and downon the sopt and gigling when she makes a mistake blah blah blah, I WANT MY FOOD! another example at school, on anzac day, during the minutes silence two asian girls in fron tof me keep chattering (always the chattering, never f***in shut up) through it, f***gin no bloody idea that we are suposed tobe silent and pay some respect to those who died.... just another example ofcomming here, and wandering aroudn in a daze having no idea how to behave, that pissed me off but a kick in the middle of hte back helped them shut up.

I don't really knwo what im trying to say here, but i have nothign against people because of their race, i guess what im trying to tell you is taht im not gonna watch my mouth because of their race, i just make observasions and i get annoyed at peopel becasue of the way they behave no matter their colour.

Damn, why can't I punch him?

peace.

My mother says there is a lot of black people in africa...

No serriously ... I dont hate people because of the colour of there skin, religion, sexual preferece. I think people should be treated for who they are, and what they do.

Typo

Axis,

yeah fair enough you talk to your friends and call them names and s*** and no-one gets offended. what if someone overhears you and does get offended? that seems like anti-social behaviour to me, and thats exactly what u were saying you hated with all these people talking during anzac day's minute silence and the kfc incident

"racism and generalisations go hand in hand" f*** off f***pot, don't be such a politically correct idiot, people are alowed to give their honest opinions if they are simply making observatiosn that have no malic in them whatsoever.

asians are hard wokers, that's a generalisation and is it racist? NO! its just my observations. where do i get that statement from? at school the taiwanese guys woudl tell me about how hard youhad to work at school there, compared to here where its easy, lots of suicides due to so much pressure, that is form their lips. they themselves say that peoepl think asians are smarter but they are just more studious. oh gee f***pot, you beter go up to my taiwanese friends and tellthem to stop being racist!!! GOOD ONE c*******!!!

-|LG|-JB is israelie, and we f***gni never stop makign jokes abotu it, does he take offense? of f***gin course not, did you knwo taht he's the messaih? hey you realise he's good at cs becasue everyone ove rthere has ak's under their pillows right? god, lighten up ya d*******.

i actually was referring to the "all asians are bad drivers" ones but i guess you didnt read evey post

god the posts are commign so fast i can't keep up.

simply f***pot i watch my mouth round people that wont take it as a joke, just like i watch my language roudn my grandparents, just like i don't make teh same sexual jokes to my parents, blah blah blah, this doesn' tmean i can't behave the way i want.

and that is onyl part of my point, the other main thing is that its not racist to describe someone in terms of race, like nats brought up.

well thats ok then isnt it :)

yes i knwo you were, but the statement on its own is still wrong what you said abotu generalisations.

look, the thing is, you have to think about not whether somethign is "technically" racist, you have to think whether there is any malic inteh comment, or whether it is driven by racist views. i am not racist at all, but people like youmight go crack a mental abotu some comment si make, and im not gonna put up with crap form some politically correct fag when im not beign racist in the first place. god.

Yeah, that's a point that should be made in this argument, as a rather broad generalisation about most Australians, we tend to enjoy taking the piss out of each other. This is not to be confused with racism, as it's not about any form of hatred, it's just having some fun (plus I'm sure anyone who does it couldn't give a f*** if the other person returned the favour).

im not stupid, i can usually tell when someone is joking and when someone isnt

example:

i have nothign against black people, someoen asks me to describe someon and the first thign i say is "they are black" and someone sitting their goes "that's racist!" and im gonna be like, "f*** off!! im just describing the c***."

i mean, ionyl say it straight away becasue her ei am sitting in a group of white people, the overwhelmign majority of my friends are white, when i walk around teh street the majority ofpeople are white, so its drilled into my mind that being white is the norm, being white is commmon and therefore expected. thigns that are usually the same become things that are assumed. that is just a natural reaction.

if i don't say the guy is in a wheelchair, peopel will asume that he is walking aroudnon two legs right? same principle. and don't tellme its not, taht is aperfect analagy.

And we all have to wonder if pauline hanson would have any followers if it wasn't for people like good 'ol Axis ;)

Pauline Hanson was about tapping people's underlying fears. There's a whole group of people within our community who don't accept people from different racial backgrounds within the community. It was just like Hitler's propaganda against the Jews.

all i have to say is that curry munchers can kcik those severinus albinus's arses anyday :)

i like taking the piss out of people - one of my friends is serbian, and i constantly give him s*** about it, but he reciprocates, so tis all in good fun. what i dont like though is comments that are directed as just a venting of frustration... there isnt any need for it... i mean my comments are thought out, i never say something that could offend whoever im around. its a case of courtesy. i think the biggest thing here though is the fact that racism isnt used in a racially villificatious sense, its used by people that want to rile someone up enoguh to get into a fight with them

now i get pissed off with some aussies beign d*******s about the sri lankan cricket team etc... but all i can do is give em s*** back about the fact that Darrel Hair is a cheating c***... hrm. anyway...

Tung

no offence tung, but i really wouldn't class a srilankan as an asian

Even when talking to my mates... those being taiwanese, kantonese, korean to nname a few i always hold race in regard sub conciously and would never pay them out directly about their race.... I dont even have to think about it... and thats because I do it out of respect... not just for them but for there whole culture...
But as Nats said I also have a friend that was vietnamese .. however he was born in Australia.... and he spoke better english than most aussie people I know.... eventho it wasnt his first language... whether multi-cultural people coming into australia choose to participate in our culture or not its their choice.. providing they live up to the standards regarding law in our society then we should accept everyone afterall australia is the multicultural nation and my form of patriotism isn't being part of the army or anything similar but respect Australian people on the whole whoever they maybe ....
I mean there is only 18 mil ppl here and this country is but 200 yrs old.. thats only 2 lengthy generations... accept everyone... if an asian person does something that you arent particularly happy with just remember that an aussie or a black person or a sri lankin person has prolly done it before...

Why not gomer? u are being ignorant... U are thinking Eastern/South Eastern Asian .... Asia is the biggest continent in the world and covers A lot of coutnries.

as individuals, ppl from other countries are pretty nice ppl to know from experience

but as a whole, i hate them all for invading, yes invading, australia and leaving us with no culture

no, multiculturism is just some bulls*** term for we don't have a definitive culture.

personally i'm not racist, if there's something to be said to someone, i'll say it no matter what their race.

when the Europeans "colonised" Australia and attempted to commit genocide on the Aborginies and forced European culture down their throat, wasn't that -

- Invading
and
- Trying to rid them of their culture

?

Yes is was fp

but just because it was ok back then, is it ok now?

aboriginies didn't have means to defend themselves. it wasn't right what the europeans did, but back then society wasn't exactly civilised compared to todays standards was it.

I think the true Australian culture is being destroyed more by American capitalism than by immigration and multiculturalism. America seems to be trying to produce a global culture. Look at how many people drink Coke and eat McDonalds.

Game set match f***pot!!! :)

in any culture there is some sort of invasion and conquering but "conquering" as such is over now as there is diplomacy and other ways of having people enter a country.... I would not call it invasion at all.... there are s*** all australians in this country and yet a lot of land yet do be used...
I do not agree with anyone that says im not racist i pay out everyone equally about that s***.. thats wrong and the comment " there is no racism" is bulls*** it would be more correct to say "everyone is racist at heart" it's a general nature.... it may not be expressed but amongst two similar races or two different races we all must fight amongst ourselves.

I heard on the radio a few months ago about a group that wanted the police to change the way they identified wanted people. They wanted the police to stop describing people as 'Asian' or 'Middle-eastern'. Now, maybe I've missed something, but races seem to differ in appearance. So I think the police should still be able to describe people that way, its part of who they are.

Also when 'racist' comments are made during a joke it probably isn't designed to offend. I think people are starting to take it too far, and take it too seriously. I think that we may have lost the ability to laugh at ourselves.

I've also noticed that what is considered racist differs depending on what race is involved. Take Irish jokes...we make jokes all the time about them, and no one cares. Now, if we substituted 'Asian' for 'Irish'?

haha cycosis i think the europeans crimes were on a slightly greater scale!

i dont see other cultures coming to australia, stepping of the boats\planes whatever and opening fire at the first mutha f***er that they see

i also dont see them kidnapping children and taking them to schools and force feeding them s*** about their culture and background

Australia was colonised by people who were mostly Christians, who had a habit of doing nasty things to people they couldn't convert. Example: The Crusades.

rcsgd, you're next :P

Of course, the English didn't invade Australia in the first place did they? It was Terra Nullius right? Oh wait, Mabo, s*** that's wrong too. Gee, seems like your argument is mighty flimsy unless you happen to be an aboriginal.

its aboriginies not aboriginals

aboriginal is an adjective

thanks for listening

thanks for your input ineff :P

I don't particularly like the way that the Aborigines (and others) like to mention that we're the cruelest people ever for 'invading' Australia...it wasn't really different to what had been happening in the world at that time, and for centuries before hand. And while it wasn't right, I still don't like reading in school textbooks that I'm the greediest, meanest arsehole on Earth. :|

sacredsperm makes a good point.
one of teh most important phrases in there is:

"isn't designed to offend"

think about that.

Neff is right! :)

SacredSperm: Your point about Irish jokes and what would happen if "Asian" was to replace "Irish" is kinda what I was getting at earlier about Aussies liking to take the piss out of people. Some people tend to be OK with it, whereas others may take offense, but it's not actually driven by any hatred like racism is...

but arent irish technically the same race us us?

aren't we all technically part of the human race?

exactly, thats why i think racism shouldnt exist...

Technically, humans (homo sapiens?) are a species divided into races I believe. The term "The Human Race" is a bit of a misnomer afaik.

edit - I am not an anthropologist of any kind however, so anybody who knows more about this can feel free to rectify my knowledge :)

Hell, I'm part-Irish (my grandfather was Irish).

the majority of the convicts sent to australia were irish

and same with most of the early settlers

Sure, many Australians are part Irish...so does that mean Irish jokes aren't racist?

But I haven't seen anyone that really cares.

I think we're tolerant of it. Look at the movie "Wog Boy". Were any cinemas afraid to play it because of possible controversy? No.

There is no doubt that the jokes actually qualify as racist, but then you need somebody to be offended by them as well. It's a bit like that stupid proverb, "If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around to hear it, does it make a sound?" paraphrase that to " If a racist makes a joke and nobody hears it/is offended by it, is he still a racist?" I would say yes...

i think the term wog is generally accpeted these days...

Maybe...although it also could've been because the guy was a 'wog'.

Would it have been the same if all the stars/makers of the movie were white australians? :\

But they're tongue-in-cheek. If we meant to offend people with this stuff, would we have so many immigrants entering the country?

well if it was i doubt there would be any reason to call the movie "wog boy" :P

It's more because it was tongue-in-cheek... If a friend joked and said "You're a smelly Irish bastard" I'd just say "Did you read that in Dr. Seuss books?"

Bah! Maybe the white australian could pretend he was a wog? :P Besides, since when do they need a reason?

this is completely irrelevant and probably counter-productive to the thread but my great-great-grandfather died after being speared by an aboriginie

not that i hold a grudge or anything.

He should've known not to walk thru Redfern at night

Err, ignore that. Unless of course you see my point about the Irish jokes.

Of course, do you guys even know about Redfern? :|

Don't be stupid f***s i think the basis of all this s*** is from movies that we see lots of asian druggies etc.... and the violence and how much alcohol black skinned people drink but what about all those white f***ups that drink heaps more alcohol... and the whtie people that do drugs just because they are different doesn't mean we exclude them we might have to give a little more notice though aborogines seem to have a more rough play of punching etc...

Ok lets theorise for a moment, what if the Spanish had come here instead of the British eh? I'm fairly certain the Aboriginals would have far worse treatment at the hands of the Spanish (think the Iquisition here). Besides that, someone would have eventually landed in Australia regardless of what the aboriginals say and do right now. Those of you who did history in highschool would remember the three G's: Gold, Glory and God. Thats how the world operated back then so you can't go around laying blame on any one group of persons. Of course it is by no means an excuse for what did and still does happen, I'm merely pointing out facts and reminding people of what could have happened. God knows the Aztecs and all that found out the hardway.

Arctic,

Actually I haven't really noticed that in any movies I've seen...?

i don't care what colour you are
but if you're a mormon and knock on my door be prepared to get told to f*** off

Lyco, homo sapiens sapiens refers to the human species as a whole. now as far as i know, species is the most specific branch on living things - the only thing that separates those within our species, is a different adaption of climate - leading to different pigmentation, slight differing of the shapes of the body and different cultures. it is a shame that noone realises we are all the same genotype at a species level

Tung

100 posts in only 4 hrs.

Yeah, there is no such thing as racism, eh Einstein? Moron.

We needed the Monty Python Spanish Inquisition :)

"Sit her in the...COMFY CHAIR!"
*gasp!*

u were in no way sitting there waiting for that were u strex :P

"No-one expects the Spanish Inquisition!"

Damn my N key, correct Iquisition to Inquisition.
Damn I hate spelling mistakes ( i can't edit my post beacause it wont work for some reason).

Had that problem too, when I f***ed a thread by not putting a quote round a URL. Had to nuke my post...

I think people's own experiences can influence racism.
Like for instance,I live in Sydney,and there are a_lot
of homeboy wankers here,and the majority of them are middle-eastern,lebonese individuals who hang out in "gangs" and start s*** whenever they can.
For example,when I was 16 me and 4 of my friends were walking home from a friends house one friday night at about 10:30 and a group of homie faggets,about 20 of them,all Lebanese decided to beat the s*** out of us and take our money and mobile phones etc
We didn't provoke them,we didn't even look at them,but there was nothing we could do.They chased us and beat the crap out of us with METAL_POLES and other such instruments,and even when we were lying on the ground,bleeding,they still kicked the s*** out of us.
I know not every Lebanese person goes around beating ppl up but I'm pretty sure there is 0 percent chance that if you are walking home on a Friday night you're gonna get bashed by 20 "Aussies" who just happen to be walking by.

I tell you what. Before i start i am not racist, as yall very well know i listen to a 'black' cultured music. I grew up in Inala in brisbane with the rest of my family from uncles to grandparents. The lifestyle i chose has lead me to see some very interesting things, some things personal. People choose to be part of this lifestyle. In my opinion Aboriginals, the ones who you see doing these violent things, have chosen to bring this upon themselves, they CHOOSE to be labelled "Thugs." No-one makes them constantly throw rocks at my randfathers work truck, No-one makes them throw beer bottles at my grand parents house, No-one makes them come to my front door and try to rape my mother. Asians which are involved in this "thuggish" lifestyle CHOOSE to sell drugs. Trust me I know. They choose to come to your mates house and do a "home invasion" smashing televisions, breaking windows, stealing stereo's (1 week ago). It's all about choice, these people have been asking to be labeled like this. As far as racial slurs and the rest, no i don't believe that blatant racism should be tollerated. Altough if a group of Islanders take your best mate into the toilets at the local shopping centre, bash the f*** out of him, security come in and say "Ok boys i think he's had enough" and get away scott free, this is the behaviour which is going to make a race be labelled.
My Grandparents (no exageration) live around the corner from the suburbs police station, whenever they have any trouble with anyone ethnic, the police take atleast a few hours to arrive , meanwhile your home is being invaded!
Asians "gangsters" so to speak all belive they are Al Capone, like most ethinic backgrounds of criminals that i have dealt with.
Don't get me wrong , i have friends from all ethnic backgrounds, i just cannot stomach that these people shouldn't be label'd, and then only to recieve extra benifits from the government.

I think i have voiced myself enough, i hope i help everyone who reads in some way or another. Please excuse me if my post made no sense at all. Feel free to ask any questions or anything.

example that just came to mind

we were walkin along at skool and because of the mass people, my mate accidently was shoved into an asian older then him. The asian guy was put off balance for like 30 cm in which time my mate apologised sincerely.

when we're walkin away, this asian comes up behind him and starts kickin him. Fortunately having good ol backpacks fulla gaysex books it didn't hurt him, but that f***a doesn't deserve to be in this country if he acts like that. He just cursed some asian s*** which neither of us understood.

y'know really i've got a decent temperment with people, working part time at a place where i deal with ppl face to face. But it really makes me wanna drop my bundle and scream f***off to him and his associated race.

also, in another incident several years ago. I was on a bus that was full. the seat i was sitting in next to some guy was also full(get it? 2 seats, two ppl in there = full)
Yet this asian guy walks on the bus(older then me) and tries to sit on the edge of my seat. He didn't even ask and it wasn't even subtle, it was a demand that i should move over without words(even though there was plently of standing space) Meanwhile, he had a unlit ciggy in his hand which had broken when he tried to shove in. I noticed it, then he looked and noticed it as well. He then stood up and hit me in the jaw. No s***, just stood up and hit me in the jaw(i was grade 8 at the time, he was about grade 10).

So tell me, would australians act like this overseas?
No, i don't think so.

Really, i have alot of patience, but lately i'm coming really close to exhausting all patience and graciousness for foreigners, particularly asians because they are the ones i've had the most run ins with, and telling them all front up they should f***off back home.

Could an asian, after considering this, tell me why i should not due to what i've experienced.

heard a funny joke In the staffroom at work today funnily enough told to me by a guy.

Why do men like smart women?

Because they're attracted to opposites.

sorry just trying to lighten the mood

technically, I dont think there are such things as races. That in itself is a generalisation. 'White' isnt a race, what peopl actually mean when they say 'hes white' is that he is descended from some Celtic or Germanic tribes or something. so its no racism more like 'looksism'

What pisses me off most is in lectures, and in general at university, is how the asians just form a separate group from the everyone else. They're not being hostile or anything but they just stay to themselves so much. Having them always not speak english is annoying, also since most of them really can't speak it too well. I don't know how UQ are screening the intake but i can remember one girl in first year who had to do some presentation and she could barely put a sentence together. Another time i had a pre-assigned prac partner just go off with some friends, leaving me to do a whole prac by myself. Maybe i smell or something i don't know :)
It's just that 90% of the asians just don't seem to mix with everyone else (although they are the majority already).

What pisses me off most is in lectures, and in general at university, is how the asians just form a separate group from the everyone else. They're not being hostile or anything but they just stay to themselves so much.

Sif, if you were in a foreign place, you wouldn't cluster with fellow Australians/Caucasians/English speakers.

So tell me, would australians act like this overseas?
No, i don't think so.

Sif Australian's can't act like a******s just as well as anyone; I've known some fully repugnant Australians in my time and it wouldn't surprise me at all to hear tales of them mixing it up overseas.

I have no problems with people having difficulties with the language; I think we should be trying to encourage them to learn to speak Australian (bloke, mate). I had a problem in the last year of CS that I tried; the lecturer for the subject was Chinese (Wei-Ping Zhu if you ever did O/Ses at UQ) and I had great difficulty understanding him. I mean, this is a lecturer teaching a 3rd year CS subject at an English speaking university - I had to spend a lot of time in the lecture struggling to understand what he was saying.

However, I have no problems with him; he was a nice guy. I have no problems with his race or anything - I'm just mentioning the fact that I had trouble understanding him talking.

I think a lot of people would perceive the racial elements behind this first, rather than the point of it and what _really_ irked me about it - UQ hired a teacher that, in my opinion, wasn't really suitable for the job. I would have been just as annoyed if they'd hired an Australian person who couldn't speak the language (I brung me own beer).

With any incident that occurs involving a member of another race, I think, its easy to see the racial side first. Try putting yourself in their position, and avoid making broad generalisations (ie, just because someone of Race X beat up your friend, doesn't mean that all people of Race X are nasty people).

It's just that 90% of the asians just don't seem to mix with everyone else..

How many times have you tried mixing with them? They're probably sitting there, saying "wtf, 90% of the other people in this country don't seem to be mixing with us", just like you are.

Obviously, I don't consider myself racist; I've had a lot of friends over the years that were from all sorts of backgrounds and countries and have never had any problems in getting along with anyone.

One thing that I think is interesting is that the old-school hardcore racism stuff used to be people thinking that people of different colour or race or whatever were actually inferior in all respects. Like, they were actually inferior organisms and that their race was superior in all ways and deserved to rule and live above them. I'm glad that noone has expressed those (totally insane) sentiments here; the remarks that you guys are making tend to be based on social and cultural aspects rather than sheer genetic inferiority.

This is a good thread guys, I enjoyed reading your comments and thanks for keeping it (mostly :) clean.

Sigh just read the crap above willya. Every second one starts with:

"I'm not a racist, but one day I was minding my own business and this ASIAN guy f***ed mysister up the arse"

or

"I've never been a racist, but man this ABORIGINAL guy..."

By relating your experiences in these terms it makes it obvious that you typify certain behaviours by a race of person.

I've spent 99% of my life in either North QLD or Sydney. These are the observations I have made:

SOME Aborigines get f***ed up on metho/drinks etc...as do SOME WHITE PEOPLE. The big difference (In townsville, anyway) is that gangs of brave Army guys from the barracks dont bash and throw molotov cocktails at the homeless WHITE people they see in parks up there. Does that mean all Army personnel in Townsville are f***ed in the head?

The Cairns city council doesn't see fit to pack groups of drunken park people who are white and drive them off to some remote reservation in assf***, Far North QLD just because "thats where their type go" as they have done in the past with Aborigines.

As for packs of Leb guys, maybe thats a hassle in certain places no doubt, just as its a hassle walking past a pub with an Asian gf (as I have had in the past) and have drunken f***wits (all Aussies) scream out racial abuse to her and me. or maybe the homeless white trash who DEMAND money from you and then claim your a 'traitor to your race' (lol) when you tell them to f*** off.

I've lived in Sydney since 1995 for all bar one year, and I'm yet to be hassled by any asian guys, and have had to steer clear of plenty more packs of white guys incapable of holding their grog than any packs of lebs.

As for all these ppl complaining about 'Asians not mixing etc' wtf do you think you are...you're living in SOUTH EAST ASIA. YOU ARE ASIAN. OH NO!

Maybe the reason ppl see so many 'asian' people not mixing is because of the high %age of racist f***s who run around thinking Hanson is such a laugh. I know I wouldnt be bending over backwards to take that risk. Live and let live, it's not a colony of England anymore, we dont all have to be white anglo saxons here ffs.

LIVE AND LET LIVE MOTHERf***S.

you guys know about milpera (special school for english in chelmer). well when i came to australia a few years ago i was sent there (even tho i could speak english fluently). anyway, people tend to hang out with people of the same race there because they speak the same language and i think its the same in other schools.

this isnt south-east asia

last time i checked Australia was a continental landmass in itself.
also last time i checked there were 7 continents
north american
south america
europe
asia
africa
australia (or is the continent called oceania i can never remember)
antarctica

which do we belong to..take a wild guess at it pls

also i think that the reason asians crowd together is baceause of cultural differences with australians. as trog said if you went to saudia arabia or somewhere if you saw a group of aussies sif you wouldnt hang out with them.

its late, ill probalbly write more tommorw

I find the fact that as a fottballer I can get a hefty suspension for calling a dark skinned person a racist name.But if he calls me a stupid white prick he'll get away with it scott free.

So I have a question is it ok to be called a stupid white prick because it's considered good to be white and therefore not an insult.I realy don't care if someone points out my skin colour while trying to insult me as I'm quite happily white.

To me if you take offence to a stupid bit of name calling when it comes to what colour you are then you're only showing your insecurities.

On the topic of large groups of asians living in small concentrated pockets,I personaly don't think many of them want to intergrate.And I think what pisses alot of aussies off is that they appear to be biulding there own country within ours(note I said appear to be).

My family has lived in this country for well over 100 years and have sacrificed plenty so why should some-one from a f***ed up little country come over here putting aussie kids out of work and get a free ride to start them off.

Trog that point you made about ppl sticking together in others countries is total BS.I could understand if they didn't speak english or just got off the boat yesterday but for most asians in this country that isn't true.

They snub us.I happen to think that asian girls are gorgeous but for the most part they will have nothing to do with white men,and for no other reason than we are white.

Now who's the racist.

Just one more thing I used to work at a place at runcorn and on my crew 10 of the 15 guys were from NZ or the pacific islands.All had no prior training in their jobs b4 coming to oz and as a consiquence 10 local kids loser the chance for a job.

Now in my books thats f***ed we should look after our own first then worry about taking in other ppl from else where.

phwoar I missed a lot of action while I was out...

Wog = Western Oriented Gentleman

anybody who takes offence to that is just plain stupid.

my grade at school (Year 12 Villanova) is about 30% wogz (about half and half italian and greek/cypriot), and only 2 asians (sorry if that discription offended you but there's no other way to say it).
The 2 Vietnamese ppl r good friends of mine, and most of the wogz r too.

Two ppl who post on this forum have the names "wog" and "wogboy" so it is really something to be proud of. Wogz r cool (but I am not a wog). I'm half Norwegian (1 generation back), and half Irish (2 generations back).

Well, that's my 2 yen :)

I happen to think that asian girls are gorgeous

Agreed. :)

IMHO, describing somebody as an Asian, or a Greek, or a Swede, or a Pom, ow whatever, is a very effective way of describing someone. It's much more affective than saying "they have dark hair, about blabla tall, and have a slight accent".

That's another 2 rupees for ya.

Oh i have a couple of girls that I know from Malta and they are nothing short of stunning.I love small dark haired girls.

And no StreX I haven't been eyeing off your missus. :)

nG!

Great this thread has gone boom =/

And for all those that are intellectually challenged, you're not getting my drift

I said racism is a stupid man's insult to another stupid man

Who was it that gave me the lame scenario of two tribes fighting each other?

That's not racism

Racism, in every sense of the word that it was intended for, is basically assuming your dominance over what you percieve to be a lesser group.

That lesser group is usually a different race, but because of that fact, all the dumb f***wits bleat "Racism!!!" and of course the lesser group gets babied in favour.

Racism does not exist, it's simply a bunch of people trying to be tough c***s, and slawing the weaker ones... the dumb babies in power call it Racism and make it their problem.

What about school bullies? Why isn't that racist?

Hmm?

It's exactly the same f***ing thing you nongs, therefore i don't accept the term Racism or any sense the word is used for these days.

Go f*** yourselves if you think you KNOW what racist is

back to what trog was saying about a lecturer, while at QUT I had about 4 lecturers that come to mind that their english mastery and accents effected thier ability to teach.

There was a polish, indian, japaneese and australian. Im certain most people that were schooled by these 'experts' would be of the same opinion it was stupid.
They could be the smartest people on earth, but why were they lecturing classes that couldnt completely understand them.

The Australian was actually an english lecturer and he mumbled (we nicknamed him mumbles).
The japaneese guy spoke fluent english, but his accent sounded like one of those computer speaking programs and was real hard to follow for 2 hours at a time :/

Point being, the first second anyone would speak up about the international examples it would be deemed racist. Yet we freely gave the Australian guy a derogatory nickname thought nothing of it.


All that aside, I hope they find life on mars cause then we can all unite and hate someone together.

man i make racist jokes among friends and i happen to b friends with alot of asians and black ppl..they can take a joke..but when it goes beyond a joke like when some ppl acctually meen what they say i think its f***ed ...Anything racist i say is only a joke and is taking as a joke by my friends thay know that i aint racist and s*** :)..i hate racist ppl f***ing idiots

ohkay I think I'll jump in here... as far as racism goes it pretty much depends on who is doing what, I have a mate i've know for several years and we'll joke with each other sometimes in what could be considered a very light racial way but we don't care.

I can assure you tho, i make one of those jokes to someone who takes it a lot more personally and doesn't realise i'm just bein friendly and i'd most likely get a punch in the face - its just how people react when they realise, and it happens both ways.. actually not going at anyone but I think a common example some people may see around is Asians getin together involving work, two reasons been given to me, one they like talking to each other, or two they see most Australians as too stupid, and suprisingly for some groups the second may be true - most often the first tho, but whos to get angry at them for getting together with people they know and stuff - and damn no reason for give them a f***en hard time for doing that

Ah yes, wei-ping. I had him for a while in a subject last semester. It was pretty horrible, lecture attendance dropped to about 25%. People just walked out of his first lecture - it was quite rude i thought. It did take an effort to understand him and when people asked questions there was always several 'rounds' of explaining the question, since there was a breakdown in understanding.

Well i might understand the asians clustering, if it was first year, but this is fourth year now.

I think the big thing we have uncovered here is that no-one here is full on nazi racist but what the majority of people hate is the minority or Majority and Minority races. All the trouble tends to come from that minority within the minority or majority race, and thats the bit people have a problem with.

I totally agree trog i think asians are given an unfair advantage personally i don't think they should be speaking or lecturing in schools i left my old school because my maths teacher was asian and i couldn't understand him his words didn't make sense and it was trying to understand someone with a fully blocked nose i asked if i could change out principal said thats no reason...

Racism:

Started by s***kunt farmers waaaayy back ages ago, then passed down from s***kunt father to s***kunt son.

... thanks for that informative input

Nice one maxe you farmerist. :)

np taips :)

but its true. the whole thing just snowballed from d******* ppl from way back. then they passed it on from father to son. Gradually making up all this scientific/biblical evidence that other races were inferior etc. gradually the KKK, one-nation and all that s*** developed, and here we are today.

Here's another one:

Main Entry: rac·ism
Pronunciation: 'rA-"si-z&m also -"shi-
Function: noun
Date: 1936
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination
- rac·ist /-sist also -shist/ noun or adjective

Alright...

I have been discribed as a pretty right-wing sort of guy, I tend to take opinions to the extremes, I hate fence sitting and indecisions.

Mainly during highschool and tertiary education, through a series of events, I came to the conclusion that I was racist.
I hated the way Asians would talk very loudly in another language when in public situations, for all I knew they could have been saying "haha look at these stupid ugly Aussies, let's go back to my opium den". I hated the way they would show disrespect during Anzac day or Rememberance Day, by chatting or laughing or worse.
I hated the way I would be at a dance party, and a group of Samoans would arrive and try and assert dominance by attacking or threatening people. The way I would get harassed by a mob of Aboriginies when I am walking alone with a girl through Southbank. They way a 12 year old hommie kid would swear his ass of at you, but you could not do s*** because a gang of 50 Tongans were standing behind him.
I hated the way the Lebanese thought it was their duty to smash someone elses property and take whatever they wanted.
I hated the way a group of Aussie yobbos would single me out and abuse me because I was wearing nice clothes and looking respectable.

Then I realised, I am not racist - I hate everyone. I hate anyone who is not a respectable citizen and does not abide by basic rules of society. I hate bludgers, people who are not doing their bit in the community, criminals, and any bastard who does not appreciate the great country we live in.

Everyone of the situations I outlined above could have been instigated by any member of any race or nation. It is best not to single any minority group out, just form your opinions on people by their individual attitudes and actions.

f***ing amen strex.

people, in general, suck™

I know, let's all go and crucify and burn everyone.
I think I have some pieces of scrap wood lying around.

I have "NO COMMENT" about this subject.

Not even about the whole, crucifixtion and burning thing?

Hey, don't get me wrong i LUB the whole burning thing, white phosphorous and flamethrowers rock...

Racism is a very "Touchy" subject, and in fact some things peaple do really pisses me off...

I just want to keep my comments on this subject to myself or you peaple will be calling me a racist...

I think you just hit the nail on the head there StreX.

Taipan - you've got a lot to say, it seems. Let's have a look at it. Ordinarily I hate reading mega posts like this in a large thread but I think what you've said demonstrates the bulk of racism in Australia - not agressive or violent, just ignorant and a little poorly thought out.

1) Non-caucasian slurring you and not being disciplined on the football field: Plain and simple, if you took offence to it, if it was intended to belittle you or if the person just didn't know or care any better to use appropriate language, then yes they should be sent off just like you would if the situation was reversed. That doesn't mean ANYTHING more than crap refereeing - you've not said anything here that is relevant to the question of race.

2) Asian communities not wanting to integrate: I think what you meant here was "assimilate". Before you freak out, think about it. You have a culture here - (subset of)white .au culture. They also have a culture here - (subset of)asian .au culture. You're welcome to do things that fit your culture, and ignore other bits, eg you see sports you like, you hang out at public spaces you enjoy, you follow whatever religious and familial practices you were brought up with. What makes you think that your culture is worth people "integrating" themselves into it?

Don't ignore the fact that wherever people have come from and how far back their family goes, we live in a MULTICULTURAL country - which means that ALL cultures are equally relevant here. If asian people want to "build their own country within ours" as you say, I think you'd better reconsider what "ours" is. NO culture owns Australia or has any rights to it above any others.

3) Being snubbed by other races within Australia: I won't make the obvious comments about other reasons asian girls could be avoiding you - I'll pretend for a second that you're handsome, charming and not even a little confused about your attitudes to race. How can you tell the difference between a total stranger ignoring you and a total stranger snubbing you? I'm sure you ignore thousands of people every day, at uni, work, outside, wherever. Why do you suggest that your culture is being singled out for a snubbing? Is the reverse not true (or don't you care)?

4) Employment for Equal Opportunity target groups: I'll assume that these people you worked with weren't hired because your boss was exploiting them somehow (which is one reason many minority groups find plenty of jobs - they're crap jobs and/or s*** pay). What we're experiencing at the moment is a situation where the country recognises that certain groups are underrepresented in the workforce - women, ATSI, disabled, etc. Incentives do exist to get these people into jobs, purely to balance the numbers. The hard part is removing the barriers that mean incentive schemes are necessary.

Agreed they are a blunt object - you will often get an imbalance where it's difficult to judge whether "true merit" was the basis of the employment. But the alternative is that we let these people fend for themselves in an underclass. I'd much rather be a white guy without a job in this country than an Asian guy without a job in this country. These schemes nothing more than traffic calming - inconveniences for everyone to address a wider problem which hasn't easily or quickly gone away.

"Now in my books thats f***ed we should look after our own first then worry about taking in other ppl from else where." Our own? Hmmmmmm I think you've demonstrated just how much you feel a tie to your own culture, good for you. Respect it in others, and then share your country with them.

As long as there is strong patriotism there will always be racism.

People on the forum seem to forget, Australians aren't the only ones being racist. Racism works both ways.

Just as long as you like the burning thing Primal, all is good.

The big thing with racism is generalisations. About half of my good friends are asians. Hell to many cs players I was an asian cos I was in wired which i got severly abused for. I was taking there uni places, I couldn't speak english (although I did do a pretty good job of teliing this person to f*** off) and I bought my grandmother over here to mooch off wellfare.

Another thing, I think the whole taking uni places thing is wrong. If you really want a uni spot work as hard as my asian friends do... and think about kiwi's "They just come over here and take our social security." Yet I have two nz friends who have gotten jobs before a lot of us aussie kids have. A lot of these generalisations come from a minority of some races who have screwed up, but people with closed minds have formed these opinions on little or no knowlegde and don't realise that most people, no matter what race are "respectable citizens."

[offtopic alert]

And another thing - gays (ooops, forgot - it's cooler to spell it "ghey") get the same s***, only worse. That's even more ridiculous - it's not like gay culture is going to reach down inside your shorts and force you to participate!

And all that crap about it being wrong because it's unnatural - I can only say it's wrong for YOU because it's unnatural for YOU - not anyone else. It's perfectly natural for gays!

I can ignore strange little cultural things like not eating pork or cheering strangers in a swimming pool or chewing bedelnut because they don't affect me - gay culture is no different (except they have cool fashion and music!)

No one ever says "Ancient Greece was a f***ed up culture because they openly accepted homosexuality" - that's because it's irrelevant to what they achieved a a society. Why does that not apply today?

PERSONALLY I LIKE COLOURSZ !!! :O)

That said , I discriminate against people all the time on the basis of whether I like them or not. Its all about ego's anyways ... racism is just a mask. The flux gyrates in both space & time ! inconsistancies in the perfection of the matrix hint towards that which is TRAN !!!

This topic will be permitted to stay providing it stays on topic and within the scope of the question strex asked - any slaw generated by people spouting racist comments will not impress me.

Heheheh classic oxy-moron trog ! ;o)

I was really suprised when I started reading this thread when Nats comes from nowhere with a story of his LIFE??? :P j/k (I have to live with him too). But to hear the moronic drivvle coming from gomer and mick makes me angry. Can't you see that in everyone one of your posts you still took a top down view about everything you where discussing.

It was like racism did not apply to you??? I think you are all fooling yourselves and it makes me sick to read all your thoughts and opinions. Everyone has Idol's all throughout their lives and people the strive to be like. Not one of you here can honestly say they are all their own person. Your character is built by a lot of factors that you idiots probably aren't aware of.

Stop talking about all this shallow crap and get back to games.

As god I know dont bother arguing.

PEACE!

[troll]

notice there are no black characters in CS? ;-)

j/k

There are Arabs though.

No one ever says "Ancient Greece was a f***ed up culture because they openly accepted homosexuality" - that's because it's irrelevant to what they achieved a a society. Why does that not apply today?

Yeah, that's true, the Roman Empire openly accepted homosexuality. But where are they now, eh????

I dunno, I'm not racist, but I don't approve of homosexuality. It's just f***ing wrong. Sorry if you disagree with me, but that's my oppinion and if you don't like it you can go screw yourself.
I compare sexuality to power plugs.
Now, a prong goes in a socket and provides electricity.
Two prongs don't provide electricity, and neither do 2 holes.
Two prongs weren't meant to work together.
So, yes, I disapprove of homosexuals and most people call me homophobic. Yeah, I guess I am.
Got a problem with that? If you do, fantastic, but I don't really care.

Sif you arent dreaming of to hot virgin lesbo's lickin each other infront of you. I have no problems with homosecuality i am very comfortable with mine and I believe any pricks like bob are just a bit unsure

Hardly Sprinkles.
Who's the one in SAS? :P

its just bobs way of trying to hide his true sexuality and wildest fantasies


me, im not gay, but i have no problem with ppl that are as long as that they dont start trying to come on to me

and there is nothing finer than two women

one? hahaha

Well your called bob the FRuIT. Not that I can talk :)

My wildest fantasies...yeah...that must be it...

PK - Wtf you on about?

The whole "Har har har, you have fruit in your name, that must mean you are a faget" is old.

hahahahahah

bob the FRUIT ( fruit is another term for gay if yall dont know)

yes, your fantasies about being let it a prison shower for a night and continuously dropping the soap

haha

and its not old, its BRAND new to the forums now
hehe, FRUIT
ROFLMAO

Eds, I sit around all day, watching anime that largely consists of chicks either wearing skintight clothing or getting naked.
Go figure.

Hehe im not paying you out dude

Good, cause I'm sick of all the stupid faget sk's around here.

When the Roman army were on battlefields,they used to screw each other because their wifes were in the villages miles away so they use to use men for sex.
I'm glad they didn't feel the need for any large gay-battlefield-sex-scenes in Gladiator :p

easy bob, im just playin around d00d

just stiring

Chinpokom0n: I don't think Gladiator would have won best picture if they had included some sort of big gay orgy of death.

The only thing I have against the gay/homosexual/transexual/bisexual community is that QUT wastes money on a queer department. Shouldn't the general community provide these services through the taxpayer dollar, instead of wasting the money I spend on fees, on services I can't make use of? I mean providing services for people with disabilities is something I can cope with, but since when does someone's sexuality affect their ability to study?

In ww2 when Japan attacked China, they took over some large Chinese city and 2 Japanese generals had a competition to see which could be the first to decapitate 100ppl.

I thought this needed to be pointed out.

NOT ALL aborigionals "laze around in parks drinking". Just that the ones that laze around in parks drinking are the only ones were really exposed to, and hence we GENERALIZE that all of them do, which is naughty.

Any person of any race who lazes around parks drinking has a 98% chance of being an utter s***kunt.

this is not a reply to any of your gay posts

but my school had its anzac day ceremony last tuesday, the whole school in the hall, the band played, the trumpet and the captains stood up to make their speeches about anzac day n that.
the captains gave their speeches on galipoli and talked about the sacrifices the diggers made.
then 2 representatives of each year level went up and laid a wreath on the cross.

now heres the fun part:
our female school captain is of TURKISH descent.
half the representatives that got sent up were asian.

sure theyre great students, but the anzacs werent great students were they? they were brave aussies, and i was really angered on the day.

the one day of national pride for our country has been f***ed by my school.

woopdiedoo

Australia is a multi cultureal country scooby.

Australians all have backgrounds of a differant country, even you.

Being born in australia makes you an australian, it doesnt matter where your parents were boen or what your background is, your still an aussie.

So just becuase these kids had a turkish bckground means they arnt TRUE australians?

perhaps you had better define what a TRUE australian is becuase im sure if you went back far enough in your family tree, you would find that you are a decendant of someone british, or a viking or something

The Australian was actually an english lecturer and he mumbled (we nicknamed him mumbles).

Very clever :)
I dont think there is much more to be said on this topic without flaming or reiterating someone else's argument.
But I did find a bit I read somewhere interesting. It said that western cultures (mainly au, US and europe) are very concious of racism. But I a country like China, its simply a way of life. Apparently almost all chinese nationals look down on foreigners. The only thing worse than foreigners is being half Chinese, half foreigner.
Its not that they are consciously racist, its just they way things are, and have always been.
I cant say whether this is true or not, for all I know its a load of BS. Just seemed an interesting perspective.

Maybe there were Australians not Asians.

As for you not being able to recognise the link to Turkey (intentional or not) and the fact that there'd be no doubt more than judt 100% 'PURE' Aussies having died at Gallipoli, that's your own look out.

I've noticed a few references to Anzac Day in here, suddenly everyone is a teary eyed patriot huh? It's funny cos wandering around on Anzac Day I saw plenty of ppl (of all nationalities) doing stuff. As for the minute of silence - I was asleep at the time so unless i was snoring I guess I did my part...however I have this strange feeling that it wasn't just 'Asians' who were DISRESPECTFULLY FLAUNTING THEIR UTTER LACK OF REGARD FOR OUR PROUD AUSSIE TRADITIONS

I think Strex and Shock's posts best summed up what a reasonable attitude is.

Don't hate the nationality...hate the human race

This forumn is prolly ova by now but I would just like to say that. I am not a racist but nor am I an idiot. I have a dislike for some Aboriginals and you wont see me hiding it. But in the same sentence there is more white c***s around. I grew up wif Aboriginals and I have seen my fair share. And I will make the stupid mistake of grouping them together. But I do. So if I have upset anyone I dont give a s*** just speaking my word which I have a right to do.!!! But as for other races I went to skewl wif Chinese, Fijians, Samoans, Papua New Guneians etc. And not once have I eva felt racist against them. So my thoughts bout others races is not decided by what skin colour they have its more how they act.

So Meh!

Bah, who cares. Give us a decade or so and we'll all just wipe ourselves out with nuclear armageddon anyway.

Don't hate the nationality...hate the human race

depressing, but ultimately true.

I'm building my Vault right now.

Well in Japan, alot of prostitutes won't have sex with foreigners because of a believe that only foreigners have AIDS and other STDs/STIs. You can't go into certain Soaplands either. Also any company that has a foreigner as the CEO or president will most likely have been started by a foreigner, as there is a glass ceiling effect in place where foreigners won't be considered for the top jobs.

Go on hate yourselves then. I love everyone and I think that everyone has the ability to be good. Politics just wont allow it. Your all idiots

Well in Japan, alot of prostitutes won't have sex with foreigners

So, do you go to Japan often?
:)

No, I've read a hell of a lot of stuff on Japan though (do a search on the web, you'll find exactly the kind of stuff I'm talking about). Plus there was a interview/feature on cube.ign.com about a programmer who worked for Argonaut who lives in Japan, and has started his own company there. In the interview it was talking about the differences in Japan and stuff...

sprinkles, i love you man.

Lets do the scooby doo ending

f*** me, i read... and read... and read... and then realised the end was no where in site, so ill just mention this while i remember.

there is a site: www.picturepoll.com where you post your pic and people vote on how hot you are, sort of crap i do all the time and find amusing, its exactly like ratemyface.com but its australian. almost everyone there is for australia. and it gets advertised on a melbourne radio station. i havn't been to melbourne except for one day but i hear they have a massive wog population. anyhow the vast amajority of people there are form victoria and heaps and heaps of latino's, you go into the forums and there are actually arguments about who is teh best race... im not kidding, these latino people think they are some sort of god's, and half their nick's have to have the word "latino" in it as if its the most awesome thing ever. they are so f***gn arrogant and racist, id un care that much, i dont have to deal with them, but i bet if i changed my name to "100% anglo saxon" my ratign would drop quite severely.

....uh

I need a GECK for my Vault. Anyone seen one?

sif you would have a decent rating in the first place axis :)

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The mask comes off the evil strexemon OMG its old man Ember from the amusment park. Nice one Maxey!

Ember screams "I WOULD HAVE GOT A WAY WITH IT TO IF IT WASNT FOR YOUR PESKY KIDS"

Doodly do.Doodly do.Doodly do.Doodly do.Doodly do.Doodly do.Doodly do.Doodly do.Doodly do.Doodly do.Doodly do.Doodly do.Doodly do.Doodly do.Doodly do.Doodly do.

I'm going to that site to check out some latino babes :) Thanks Axis.

oh, scooby-do, i see now.

Which meant it waz the end of the post and you dudes ruined it. I think trog should nuke it from orbit

i agree with StreX's viewpoint

Who cares?

I was (and still am) kinda reluctant to post to this monster thread. But what the hell...

I think racism is a form of hatred practised by people with low intellect, or rather lack of education. Many of the people dubbed racist also hate people of their own race (usually the wealthy successful ones). So in the end it's just a lame justification. What they really hate (but could never admit) is there own lack of intelligence/ability/success/etc.

Personally, I hate people because of what they're like. If someone is a dickead then they're a d******* regardless of the colour of their skin or the language they speak. And BTW, cultural peculiarities don't (usually) make a person a d*******, it's their attitude.

What bothers me though is how I can be branded a racist so easily. I play touch football and can't mark up against the "black guy" because it's considered racist to call him black - even if he's the only person with black skin on the opposition team. In my view skin colour is just another distinguishing mark, like hair colour, eyes, tattoos etc. If I was marking up against the "n*****" then that would be racist.

I also take a dim view of the reverse racism laws that seem to be proliferating. It can't be reverse racism - it's just racism with a different target. Equality and justice for all. Oh, and I really don't like the whole "Sorry" thing. I was born in Australia, so were my parents and their parents and a generation of two further back. I didn't come into the country with a gun or blankets infected with smallpox and steal the country. So I feel no remorse whatsoever. That's (unfortunately) how colonisation worked several hundred years ago.

As for branding groups of people dangerous, well... that's easy. I think that in certain areas (Cabramatta) yes groups of a certain race can be dangerous - but only because they are the majority - so in fact the racism has turned full circle. You've always got a better chance of being bashed/robbed by the largest ethnic group in the area - that's simple statistics.

Are Aussies the worst racists? Hell no. In fact as a rule Australia is very good. Travel to a lot of the Asian countries and you will find much higher levels of racist behaviour. Except, it's not considered racism it's called patriotism, or national spirit, or any of a 100 other names. Try to buy property in many Asian countries - you can't. Operate a business - you can - but it'll cost you more because you're a foreigner. I'm not going to get into whether the Govt making those sort of rules is good or bad. But it happens in other countries.

re: Trog's Post - I didn't know they taught Counter-Strike at uni ;) Seriously, a friend was doing a course last year and I believe he may have had the same lecturer - an asian guy who was almost impossible to understand because of his accent. That strikes me as wrong - not because of any racist feeling. Simply because he's a teacher and relies on speech to communicate ideas to students. Having difficulty communicating those ideas should be enough of a criteria to stop him getting the job.

Finally, somone mentioned being angry about Asians and Turks doing tributes on Anzac day. Why? What's the problem? They weren't the people your grandpa was fighting against. Most of those people are already dead. This is a whole new generation and they (hopefully) have the same view about war being bad as we do. My Father works as the Supervisor for the War Cemetaries in Thailand and he sees many people of all races viewing the graves. Some are just tourists sightseeing, but some are ex-soldiers or the children of soldiers and most of them (Japanese included) can see how wrong much of the war was. Some still have no problems with it too - just to show that people will always have their own opinions.

Anyway, that's more than I meant to say...

I thought Axis said ratATEmyface.com. I was thinking that would be a pretty cool website :)

Acid spoke about his lecturers being different races and finding it hard to listen to them. This is my nuber one reason I don't go to lectures with asian lecturers - I cant understand a f***ing word!

The last I heard, the stats for my QUT uni in the faculty of IT there were over 60% of ethnic groups in my course! I went to uni and it was like spot the Aussie! I hate going to uni because when I go I'm unable to communicate with my fellow students - they speak their own f***ing language. This exact issue that is happening within my uni is the same for the outside world.

Taipan said earlier - "On the topic of large groups of asians living in small concentrated pockets,I personaly don't think many of them want to intergrate.And I think what pisses alot of aussies off is that they appear to be biulding there own country within ours(note I said appear to be)." - thats exactly right Taipan (and everyone knows it). It does piss Aussies off! Why?

These groups of people dont want to be part of Australia. They dont want to "assimilate". Their from their own territory and stick with their own kind. I say g'f'ed to people coming to Australia and not being an Australian. If you come on our turf, you will be an Australian and accept everyone whereever they may come from - you will not form a country or group and concider it YOUR OWN NON AUSTRALIAN TURF!

This gets to my pont about racism. It doesnt matter who you are. A person defines him or herself and is defined by others into one group or another; whether you are Aussie, Asian, Black or White, a Sports friek, workaholic, drug addict or computer nerd - your in a group and anyone not in your group who doesnt wish to "assimitlate" with your group is not welcome - because they are on YOUR TERRITORY.

This is the exact reason racisim exists. Racism is based on territory and that alone.

Stg.Strex said earlier "Then I realised, I am not racist - I hate everyone. I hate anyone who is not a respectable citizen and does not abide by basic rules of society.". I agree, but with a slightly different perspective:

I am not racist. I'm territorial. I mean how am I supposed to communicate with other students, or listen to lecturers if they don't speak Australian - I'm Australian and I have every right to be able to communicate, be friends, get pissed together, or date whoever (girls that is :).

On the point of lecturers with accents, I have 3 lecturers this semester that have accents that you can have trouble understanding, 2 of them understood their English wasn't fluent, and would slow down and repeat anything that you couldn't understand. The other was completely ignorant of his problem. They get so much s*** from the students, it's not funny, but I think it's totally wrong, considering I have never seen any of the people ask the lecturers to repeat anything. At least the one who was ignorant of his problem was for the 2 week compulsory computer basics subject. But I see it as wrong that the f***heads sit their whispering racist s*** to each other, when the 2 lecturers at least offered to help them.

Yeah, doing that to lecturers is not right. But thats whats going to happen - ppl will be ppl. However, the lecturers should not be there in that capacity in the first place (whether thy are trying their asses off or not). A lecturer must be able to communicate with Australians - that's their job.

True, but most of the people who seem to be doing it are wankers and bludging cocksmokers, And every single question is pretty stupid, like this one: "Is cache memory like the way Word remembers the documents you last opened?". This question came up after we'd been taught about registers, memory addressing and stuff (completely independent of operating systems, only focus is on the x86 architecture).

big mofo thread. Anyway, I've got two lecturers that I could hardly understand to start off with, but you learn to get thru the accent. The thing about them tho is that it's only an accent, they still have good grammer, vocabulary etc.

That said, I do think everyone living in australia should be able to speak a fair amount of english.

The fact we're even discussing racism is a sign we're so backwards. All this "reconciliation" with the aboriginals is bulls***. What could be more rascist than wanting a f***en TREATY between two races, INSIDE a single country?

Shock I could spend the next couple of hours here explaining to you why I feel the why I do but I don't think it'd get either of us anywhere.

But just quickly on the topic of asian girls I have met many over the years and like pretty well all of them.I have seen on alot of occasions these girls not being permited to date,see or asociate with white guys by either their perents or the group that they hang around with.This has happened to me twice and to a mate of mine twice.

ok ffs. we have already established that should be able to speak english if you are a f***ing lecturer, but the same should apply for the f***ing students. what use are these c***s if they cannot put a sentence together? their degree means s***.
overseas bastards just come over here to do their degree cos it is f***ing easy compared to in their s***house homeland.
meanwhile, they take the uni positions away from fair-dinkum aussies who are doing their best to acheive.

f*** you.

ahahahah that's classic jax, yous should all check out that site, give you some insite into the minds of young imagrants.

Taipan: Your point about Asian girls reminds me of what a friend of mine said the other day (the friend's mother is Chinese, and her father is Australian). She said her mother doesn't like it when she leaves the house wearing skirts or shorts fearing that she'll get raped or attacked by men. Another one of her friends (who isn't a mutual friend, she was just with this friend when we were talking, and also happened to be from an asian background) agreed with her on the matter, saying her parents are like that too.

saVage: They take away uni spots? If I remember they take the students with the highest OP first, then keep going down till they fill enough spots. People who don't have an OP take a test, and how they perform on the test gives them an OP equivalent score. So they're just as entitled to the spot as a hard-working Australian.

Taipan, I hear ya man. I'm working on a asian chick at school, but so far no luck. =/

YEH THEY WEAR TEH COLLEST SHOES THEM ASIAN CHICKS!!!!!!!

S-A-R-C-A-S-M!!!!!!!!!!!!

young imagrants.

thats immigrants axis. learn our f***en language or get back to where you came from!

oh man, this guy is just screaming "im a f***ing idiot" at me.

OK going of the topic a bit, why are African Americans aloud to call each other "nigaz" but when a white person calls an African American a "niga" its a BIG no no?

well maxe im in no way surpised to see your looking through the "top guys" section.

máxe: A real try-hard home-boy there...

GORE^iLA-X: More the question, why do white home-boys call themselves "niggaz"? BTW, I don't see why they object to being called blacks if they accept being called "niggaz", when niggaz is derived from n*****, a derogatory word which comes from negro, which means black (don't believe me, look on a black ink printer cartridge).

maybe the ink in those cartriges is made from a vat full of niggaz ground up and mushed into a liquid

Actually, I think it's Spanish for black...

On the subject of asian chicks...

It actually is "generally" true that asican chicks would instinctively go for other asians first... this is by no means a rascist or exclusive comment, it's actually mostly true...

It comes back to the point about asians sticking together in groups together... which originates from their culture...
I know this isn't always true, but from my experiences it is...

w00t!

Freak of the month Spoonman?

:D

zoix you are lucky i am tired as all f*** and therefore without any wit in any shape or form >:|

Strex said:-

" Then I realised, I am not racist - I hate everyone. I hate anyone who is not a respectable citizen and does not abide by basic rules of society. I hate bludgers, people who are not doing their bit in the community, criminals, and any bastard who does not appreciate the great country we live in.

Everyone of the situations I outlined above could have been instigated by any member of any race or nation. It is best not to single any minority group out, just form your opinions on people by their individual attitudes and actions."

BINGO! Give tha man a cigar! I have just got home from a great week lying on a beach at the north Coast to read this thread. And interesting it is too.

But I reckon Strex is on the money and Shock & GOBO said some very relevant things. There are obviously those amongst you who need to learn and grow a bit..especially in human relationships.

I know it's corny but the golden rule does really work. "treat others as you yourself would like to be treated"

Ok so now I come out of the closet on the forum...a lot fo QGL guys and many Lan gamers know me personally and all of them know I am a policeman. For 24 years in fact ....yep thats ight...longer than many of you have existed on this planet.

Yeh it's a shock and hell it's wierd to have one amongst the 'gaming' community but thats the way I have been for years. I have been in the Brisbane gaming scene as long as Trog and Term and that saying something!!

You take me how you meeet me...don't STEREOTYPE people...that's where true intolerance is borne and grows into something really ugly. I read a thread recently by people who have been booked or pulled up by police. I read one post by a guy who stated that he had his "license for one month and was already down to one point." He then finished the post with " damn those pigs...hate em." Never a mention or an admission that he was a hopeless driver and that his predicament was HIS fault and noone esle's.

That's what it is all about..mindless comments based on a myopic viepoint, generally the wrong viewpoint. He directed his inner hatred and personal failing towards those he could lay the blame on...not himself. These are the same teltale traits of racism..intolerance and misunderstanding.

Guess what? Not all police are pigs..shock, horror, some are nice people and are law abiding citizens who have families and enjoy the same activities as yourself. Don't isolate yourself racially or emotionally. Life is too short to be angry all the time. Life is too short to draw jugdement on others because of petty hatred and feelings of self inadequacy

A lot of people have commented on foreign persons talking loudly in their own language in our midst and to some extent I can see your point BUT how do you think you would fare , living in say Japan and being expected to be fluent in a few years. Remember English is the hardest language on the planet to master.

I have been in Forensics for many many years now but when I was doing general work I used to work in some of the 'racially' hot centres of Brisbane. I never went to a domestic dispute in an asian household, I never went to a domestic in an aboriginal houshold but I went to plenty of jobs where the white father had come home from the TAB and belted the christ out of his wife and kids. Reason? a lot of foregin cultures place great emphasis on 'family' values and respect. They sort a lot of their troubles 'in house' and via generations of respect.

Now this is not to say thet there are many problems facing indiginous peoples and other races..they are all society issues which befall ALL races. Many are due to introduced conditions such as drug and alcolhol abuse...s*** the poor aborignal nearly got wiped out due to small pox and the common cold in the early stages of white settlement" Let alone being treated like a dog and shot on sight.

All I can say in closing is keep a check on your own personal feelings and that of the society in which you live. Intolerance and hatred are very powerful tools used by some to manipulate the masses, stereotyping those you dislike breeds contempt,...if you don't believe me go read about the second world war and a guy called Hitler.

We are all human beings and brothers under whatever skin you wear. Like I said at the start Strex (and others) have got it right.

I'm eagerly awaiting that nuclear armageddon.

I am too BOB, hey i will bring the marshmellows..

it is written that all civilisations go through a period of peak growth and harmony - then it collapses. this happened with rome, greece, egypt etc etc etc. all of them. (i'm speaking about european/western history here though, i don't know much about asian history) the renaissance is said to be the high peak of western civilisation so if this view written by. uhh.. damn i should listen more in ah. but anyway. if this is correct i think we can expect our civilisation to end maybe soonish. hell i dunno.

but i bet itll either be we all die from mad chicken deseases or get nuked by some drunk hoe.

ta da.

Couldn't have put it better myself, Psycho.

Pearls before swine though, given the output of some of these monkeys.

Hi Gobo...how r you doing mate?

I dunno about putting it better than you...you wax the lyrical pretty good.

I do have the advantage of age...a LOT of age! HA..seriously..age is a wonderful thing you get to make all the mistakes before everyone else.

Then you get to tell all and sundry what to avoid, not that anyone listens to old farts like me.

:P

Yeh, it's past your bedtime Pops, now rack off before we put you in a nursing home ;P

spam.

If the nursing home has cable...I go willingly!

damn where I live...damn telstra.

(bugga ...just fell out of my walking frame)

Bob, ill swap you a GECK for a gauss rifle (w/ ammo), a pulse rifle and a set of Enclave power armour. Must be in good condition.

Maxe, lol, gotta love his profile:

Gender: Male
Age: 17
Eye Colour: Brown
Hair Colour: Black
Height: average
Figure: Athletic
Nationality: [n][v][p]
Sexuality: Straight
Availability: Single
Employment Status: Self Employed
ICQ: none - Add to ICQ list

Hobbies: we like to go out, have fun and f*** da world up like only [n][v][p] can do it :P
Music Tastes: we like ministry of sound, techno, hip hop and rnb, we also luv gypsy kings, dmx, bone, thugs and be
Favourite Television Show: we don't watch television we are mirc addicts but pinky and the brain is good narf


If you could go back in time, and change anything what would it be and why?
we would have told our dads to f*** that good bitch they reckon they picked up once, instead of our mums, so we could be better looking and we could perv on our own MILFlol

What qualities do you look for in a partner?
we look for girls who like to have fun, go out a lot, are willing to stay in da kitchen :P only jk babes and have beautiful eyes, sexy legs and tongue rings

If you could be the opposite sex for a day what would you do and why?
we would find out what [n][v][p] means by offering the 3 guys who know head :P(hint: dats one way to find out girls)lol

You have $5 to get you by for a year, what you going to do with it?
if its an american $5 note we would convert it to australian dollars, so its about $11 then we would buy a 20 pack of sausages sell them for $2 each so we have $40 then we would buy a tshirt thats 50% off for $20 sell it for da normal price of $40 so we would have $60 yadda yadda yadda we are the top 3 in the annual forbes rich list

If you were to meet someone for the first time where would you want to go and what would you like to do?
we would take them to a nice restaurant, pay all the expenses, go for a walk along the casino, then we would cross the bridge towards flinders st station, then we would grab our date, and in the middle of the bridge with only the moon as our source of light, kiss ....mwah

Vote for me because?
you don't know what [n][v][p] means and never will... Pedro wishes he had a ferrari

like i could be bothered reading all that, but racism sure is a complicated issue.

the way i see it is racism is a one way thing, if abos beat up 1 aussie not alot would be done about it. but what would happen if 5 aussies beat up one abo? fallout.

im not saying 100% of abos are bastards, just the ones that choose to do the wrong thing get away with too much when they are caught incase were labeled 'racist' for punishing them.

Anyone who gets offended by someone bagging out his or her race is just a little too sensitive. Its fine to have pride in ones own race, but for f***s sake can’t you people take a joke....

I’ll admit that I’m a “racist”, but that’s only because of experiences I have had with certain races not because they look funny and s***… I think some of you could be classified as racist as well by the way you have stereotyped "white people" as being racist (i bet you thought I was white didn’t you???? - you racist f***er!!!). From my experience it is usually the “non-Anglo’s” who are the most racist. The ideals of racial politics have changed much from when the issue of racism, came down fundamentally to whether whites were prepared to accept other races as their equals. Now, however, the issue of race has become more complex because there are now multiple agendas including affirmative action, and “set-asides". The main agenda revolves around affirmative action; steps taken by an employer, school, or other institution to expand opportunities for aboriginal people, women or other minority groups. The clear implications of the most recent Supreme Court decisions on affirmative action programs is that such programs will be upheld in certain circumstances to compensate for past discrimination (E.g. The “Stolen Generation”). However, many Normal Australians would probably view this special treatment of minorities for past discrimination as discrimination towards themselves. Unfortunately this sort of political environment encourages racism in many Australians as a counterattack against affirmative action. I believe that our political system must first become racially unbiased before our society may become more ethnically diverse. Personally I didn’t come to Australia to live with Asians, I came to Australia to live with Australians. If I wanted to live with Asians I would have gone to live in Asia.

Some words that I find hard to believe that people could get offended by are; black, white, Leb, Asian, Wog, gook, and Abo. It’s not like its some kind of secret what race you are or what the color of your skin is and for f***s sake “abo” is just an abbreviation for aboriginal, again I don’t see how this is offensive and racist... When someone calls me an “aussie” or “skip” I don’t get offended because that’s who I am and im proud of it. If you are ashamed of the color of your skin or your race and don’t like people mentioning it, then YOU ARE A f***ING d*******!!!

Finally I would like to conclude by saying that nearly everyone likes and accepts n*****s now since they stopped acting like f***wits and became cool. Maybe if all you stupid ethnics didnt act like such f***wits and just chilled out and be cool for 5 seconds and not act like gay hardcore homies then maybe people would like you, but u don’t so…

Hello Mister troll.

by the sounds of his whole post, it wasnt a troll it was a genuine opinion.

each to thier own I guess.

i have been wacthing this fourm from a far mainly because it is something not to get your nose wet in. but i believe racism only exists in the person(s) saying or slandering another person(s). one of the people should be mature enough to forget was said and walk away than sink to the other persons remark. Yes i do get alot a remarks made to me but you only let something get to you if you want it to.

words are one thing, the real issues start when unprovoked physical violence happens.

Yes it is true. But these days its not so much the issue as it was back in the 1960's. The issuse's today are all about what was said. I mean it is really getting out of control over in England you can inprisioned for 5 years for a racist comment

Sounds to me like StreX is writing a paper on this or something :P

Personally, I don't consider myself a racist, but I am a smart arse... :)

Alot of what I have read here seems to center around comments made about different races in humour.I have heard heaps of jokes and alot of sly comments about me and my white background.But that stuff doesn't worry me as I'm pretty secure about where I come from and who I am.

The funny thing about being an aussie is that we bag out just about everyone but it's usualy only in gest,and we pretty well always pick on the most noticable things about ppl ie skin colour and particular features.I think aussies are one of the most thick skinned ppl in the world and equaly as able to give as we recieve.I just think alot of ppl read to much into alot of things that get said about certain races.

I don't think for a second that anyone here realy believes that their race is in anyway superior to any other,because that as we all know is total crap.I think it all comes from a feeling of insecureity I personaly feel that we should slow down the influx of ppl from other countries weather they are black,asian or whites.

I'm don't see myself as a racist as I have many black mates as well as having a few asian g/f's over the years.When it comes down to it I just like good company and have never stopped myself from getting involved with some good ppl just because of their background.

I will again say though that I am not happy about the level of immigration to this country and that doesn't matter what background they come from.Everywhere I have worked in the past few years has heaps of kiwis and while I like kiwis I don't like the fact that they take local jobs.

Some of you may not like me saying that but to be honest thats something I realy get pissed off about,and as I have said b4 we should take care of those living here b4 taking in the masses from else where.Weather they are white,black or anything else it makes no differance to me.

HATE EVERYONE

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Sif im gonna read that s*** :D

Ahahahah, cooking marshmellows in the middle of a nuclear armageddon.
"Damn it! My fingers are starting to melt!!! It's getting hard to hold the marshmellow stick!!!"

f***ING READING ALL THAT RACISM SUCKS AND WHOEVER IS RACIST IS A f*****

haha strexy its soo not the end :)

Folds out beach chear...

closes kAiGE's beach "chair" its over

this topic has had an extremely passionate response..It seems that many people (including myself) at times have resorted to what is a low, derogitory statement in the name of 'humour'. Names such as Buung, Chuung, Nip, PowaPoints, ETC have all been in the topic of conversation. However it seems that many of these comments arent made to, near or at any peopel of this race particuralry...Although this does not justify the s*** said, it is intened as harmless humour 'a joke amoungst friends' as it were.
It also seems that the many people who make these comments derive their feelings from their own instances..Take Stradbroke island for instance..seeing aboriginals ont he beach with their bottle of alcohol, drinking themselves untill they throw up in a nearby rubbish bin...And Dont tell me it doesnt happen.
Clearly this excites peoples feelings towards an anti aboriginal nature... This does NOT excuse the generalized comment made.
Rascism is a great problem in todays society when people actualyl become passionate about their feelings, or start ethnic and religiouse wars (the bloody arabs ,No rascism intended, know ppl from middle east that arent 'bloody arabs'). COMRADES We must band together in an attempt to kill, rape pillage all that are known as the ethnic group named 'RASCIST'
the end of my rambling bs....prolly means nothing if i read ova it...:)

THAT IS, KILL THE RASCIST PEOPLE...NOT PEOPLE SUBJECT TO RASCIST BEHAVIOUR :)..CLARIFIED

Well i haven't read all of the above post becuz i couldn't be bothered and i have to go to bed but just a few things refering to the top posts, telling younger girls to get in the kitchen and get them some food is something i take offenceivly althought it mightent ment to be like that. I hate cooking and spend the least amount of time in the kitchen that i possibly can!! Where as older women who might like and enjoy cooking probably wouldn't mind that comment at all.

Another thing a lot of ppl complain about all the asians taking Australian's Jobs now i hope none of you take offence to this but if the aussie ppl actually got off the arse and worked a little they might not find it so hard to find a job and whats with the city council workers??? Most of the time i see em the are standing around doing nohting.

we should be greatfull for what we have and use it to its full extent some ppl are just to lazy!!!!

Observation 1:

Majority of comments relate to "culture" rather than "race", per se. Prediction: "Culturism" will become the new buzzword. Science has come far enough for almost anyone who can read to know that biology is irrelevant, beyond basic sexual tastes and curiosity (ie that "asian chix/black doods r hawt" kind of thing).

It is "culture" that people have few skills in understanding, and it is culture that is the hardest to teach kids in primary school when their attitudes are most strongly formed.

Observation 2:

Fears of "kiwis taking our jobs" etc. are based on a nationalised economy. Take away national borders (it isn't as far away as you might think) and you're left with the world struggling to find a new equilibrium for labour and class where all the walls and dams and sandbags protecting our privileged "Aussie" culture are gone. It'll happen in our lifetimes (well, maybe not Psycho!'s - he's getting old I hear)

Holy s*** there are a lot of responses, i'll be f***ed if i am going to read them all.

I AM ASIAN!
as Axis and Tung would know
and i'm a Dirty Asian

U wanna buy some Mobiles, Drugs and/or stole computer parts
we sell cheap.

and as for that new law regarding Mod Chips,
we still have some and import them.

and I am f***en racist
if u ppl touch my car i chop U.
I will smaq j00 ass.
OK seriously, rascism is BS and out of control.
I'm sick of those "try hard, asians" walking around trying to be better than other.
Like they say, Phear dumb ppl in large groups.
me engrish ain't so good.
nien?
P.S i am asian

Just for the record...

I am Australian/American/German/Swedish.

So that should explain everything.

Ich hasse sie noch.

haha S!F u'd be Swedish :)
That's just some thing us Norwegians have.

"Jag är inte sjuk, jag är bara svensk."

does that mean "i am gay" in english?

Generally I get along quite well with most asian people. In my tafe course we do have quite a few people who cannot speak english as well as hoped. Which is cool, because if I went to Japan for example, I know that it would take me at least a year to become fluent enough to keep up a decent conversation. The best way to break an asian's person's "grouping" is to actually introduce yourself and bring up a conversation, like you would with anyone else.

Racism branches from failure to understand. When people become annoyed with a person who isnt of their race, they instantly become enraged with that person's race. Living in Brissy msot of my life, I have NEVER been harrassed by any other race other then good ol' dinky die aussies. Why? Because of my decent (im british but my mother is african) I have a light brown skin, and through most of primary school I was racially insulted for it. It was actually laughable when I told them that I was british, because they had no idea.

BTW - In england, where there are a lot more pakistani and indian people, those races are called "asian". Why? Because those countries of Asia are closer to the UK. SOuth-east asia is closer to us, so we call South-east asian's "asian". Solve any questions?

On the topic of asian chicks - Yes they are hot, yes I have dated one, and it didn't last because her father was strict as. The chick I'm dating currently is aussie- go figure :).

- sR

Yeah well i hate racists fags In counterstrike. Or people who are not being racist and get accused of being racist just to start a flame. And ppl who are like 1/8 black and go around acting like they own.

But all that aside i am australian/dutch :) hehe

Australian/Dutch/d******* right, dirtydog?

I was walking through the city just then, and I noticed heaps of posters advertising an ASIAN ONLY DANCE PARTY.
WTF is with that? So if I go to this dance, they will refuse me entry?

I wonder if there was a 'Caucasian Only' Dance Party would there be a massive outcry...hmmmm....?

wow 264 POST!

=)

does that mean "i am gay" in english?

No, it means "I am not sick, I am just Swedish". You see, it's a similar state of mind :)

Strex you can't be serious about that dance party surely?Not that I realy care but that would seem to be blatent discrimination.

I have seen similar notices in other places I picked up some girlfreinds of mine in Sydney one after they were ejected from a gay pub.There was a sign on the front door saying "this establishmet caters for gay and lesbian clientel not hetrosexual".

Apartently the pub had become quite trendy and all the regulars were bitching about being overun by hetros.My friends weren't the only ones that had this happen about aweek later the news got hold of the story of more ppl being tolled to leave because they were straight.

Discrimination seems to be ok if your in the minority.

guardian is 20, and he's not a little f*****, dirty dog is this just like the time you threatened to kick the s*** out of sprinkles/ross but then found out he's bigger than you?????

LOL WHEN THE f*** did i ever threaten to kick rosses ass ?

My background is German and Irish.

I am ruthlessly stupid!

And yeh Shock Im an old fart but I can still kick some arse ..if I get someone to help lift my leg that is!

:P

ooh well it would appear the light is on and burning brightly when it comes to the masses about racism
meh new idea - if its not racism humans will be s***ty at each other for some different reason, i mean like who the f*** would fight over religion? my gods better than yours although i can't see him or prove hes there
no my gods are better because they bring me good harvest and it couldn't have anything to do with the fact i take care of my land nearly all days of the year apart from 2 blah blah blah bang bang explosions and people that don't give a f*** about the matter die - so heres a quicky - humanity will always be a pain in the ass to itself

stuff like the chinese/US thing that happened recently is just stupid and sometimes i wish they'd just slap each other in the face and be done with it, asses can't stay in their own back yard, who was it earlier that says they need to find life in mars so we can all unite to kill something? it may be a joking comment but sometimes it seems f***ing true eghhh


i think i'm just going on about nothing now so i'll stop
oh and to go on the trend of things Australian with Irish and welsh backgrounds/Greek/Italian

wang