The Apple store is having a one day sale with a bunch of things at reduced prices. I had a quick look and there's no stellar deals, but if you were in the market for Apple stuff anyway now's probably a good time to buy:

http://store.apple.com/au/browse/campaigns/holiday/giftguide/black_friday

looks pretty s***, nothing out of the ordinary on sale and hardly a sale at all

Educational store is still cheaper.

apple are such tightarses.

Hmm, seems the products dropped from ludicrously expensive to crazy expensive.

Nothing to see here ...

Educational store is still cheaper.

You can get extra discounts with edu, comes to 11$ cheaper for a 2000$ machine :P

Everyday is a sale when you buy PC.

There's never a good time to buy anything Apple.

The problem with expensive things on sale, is they are still expensive

lol not 1 positive reply, thats awesome.

people should be looking at buying apple systems today if they are looking at one at all..

$130 off the price of a $1599 13" macbook pro..

essentially apple is selling stuff to normal people today at the wholesale cost to most resellers so why woudnt people buy them????

because we're all impulse buyers and right now, my impulse doesn't tell me that I need a new macbook

i wouldnt buy a macbook pro, arnt they due for an update relativly soon?

Latest pro just came out in july so not for a few months at least.

if you've always wanted a 13" macbook pro now would be the day to buy one (if it wasn't 7.30pm)
that's fairly new I'm assuming, they weren't out last year when I got my 13" black macbook

Best place to see when to / not to buy a new mac / ipod / iphone

http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/

Guys, I am a recent Mac convert, and for anyone who is thinking about testing out a Macbook or iMac, I can guarantee you won't be disappointed.

$130 off the price of a $1599 13" macbook pro..

LOL - that is still a rip off.

Guys, I am a recent Mac convert, and for anyone who is thinking about testing out a Macbook or iMac, I can guarantee you won't be disappointed

I have used a macbook and my mates MAC on occasion. I have no idea why anyone would want to use mac osx let alone leapord or whatever it's called.

I can guarantee you won't be disappointed.

i can guarantee you i would be

I'd like to know the details of this guarantee before committing to any course of action.

I have used a macbook and my mates MAC on occasion. I have no idea why anyone would want to use mac osx let alone leapord or whatever it's called.

Generally spoken by someone who uses one for 5 mins and doesn't know how to use it.

Its okay, I was like that once.

The build quality of my MBP s***s on any laptop I have ever owned and Iv owned some nice expensive laptops.

Sale prices were s***. If anyone wants to get an Apple then con your parents into signing up to the National Seniors reward system and they have a standing 6-14% discount with Apple on various items.

http://members.iinet.net.au/~davidbroughton/apple.jpg

lols spook

Heh, the funny part spook is that macs can run windows AND OSX, so the mac is in fact, MORE compatible with software than the PC is :D

thats not funny at all

f*** I hate Apple.

I've run a mac OS in a VM, who cares, the reality is its overpriced hardware and they sell a lifestyle not technology.

The build quality of my MBP s***s on any laptop I have ever owned and Iv owned some nice expensive laptops.

The last MBP I used kept overheating so much (even tilted at an angle with a laptop stand) that the CPU kept throttling back and slowing everything down. Games were pretty much unplayable due to jerks every 2 seconds.

Build quality indeed.

Got a funny story about pc superiority and while I use mac/windows/nix/linux and other s*** myself, I had a one of those ha ha moments at work when a film client who was renting a vision research cam from panavision at 6K a day and found out it doesn't support mac, now the funny thing is that panavision doesn't rent s*** out to anyone and in most circumstances insist on sending a trained tech and editing-rig with the unit. Of which the crew told them no way in hell, so at 6k a day and they had filmed 4 days of footage so far and had no way of editing it on site and apparently it needed to be precut before it was forwarded on for final cutting. Why they insisted on doing it this way who knows

They where pissed beyond belief, but its typical behavior from most film crew causes its not their money that they are burning, and all because someone didn't do their homework, and like most mac users had their head in the sand and just assumed that every single high end cam in creation supports osx, normally the case but not in this instance

footage in question shot at 2k btw.

Back on subject the sale was arse, and honesty you can get better deals on quit stock or edu pricing. Also anyone know if apple is on the gtic supplier list yet?

last edited by HerbalLizard at 15:32:20 28/Nov/09

I've run a mac OS in a VM, who cares, the reality is its overpriced hardware and they sell a lifestyle not technology.

The equivalent XPS to my MBP specs came out to a difference of about $80 in the DELLs favour.. it's not really overpriced.

Generally spoken by someone who uses one for 5 mins and doesn't know how to use it.

Its okay, I was like that once.

Condescending, holier-than-thou 'enlightened' mac user on the internet? nowai!

Edit:

The equivalent XPS to my MBP specs came out to a difference of about $80 in the DELLs favour.. it's not really overpriced.

f***ing around on the Dell and Apple websites today I find this statement intriguing. Care to back it up?

last edited by Hogfather at 16:50:53 28/Nov/09

Prices have changed, just did the XPS and it came out to 1779.. still only $150-200 difference which isn't overpriced.

just did the XPS and it came out to 1779

Now subtract the 10% Dell NRMA discount that anyone can apply ... even with an Apple .edu discount on the MBP the gap still widens.

200 dollar difference is real money in my book, about the average person's day's labour - if I lost 200 dorras I'd sure be pretty pissed off?

I'd also like to know what specs / products you were comparing?

$200 is dinner, drinks and a movie

If someone said you can have a MBP or a .. Dell (lolwut?), I'd gladly fork over $200 for the difference

If someone said you can have a MBP or a .. Dell (lolwut?), I'd gladly fork over $200 for the difference

I'm not surprised at all teq.

I had a dell m720 before I got my macbook, the macbook is 11ty billion times better in every way
my dell actually died a horrible death because my gf dropped it on the charge input = destroyed the charge daughter board = no more power ever again (tried to fix it, overly expensive)

the mac has been dropped and kicked and flung into seats after hard braking in the car.. still lives

id take the dell and an hour long lapdance

Condescending, holier-than-thou 'enlightened' mac user on the internet? nowai!

Excellent argument. No, its not a holier-than-thou attitude, its a "Iv used it longer than 5 mins and know how to control the OS" attitude.

Its not just apple, its Apple users with windows, Windows users with apple and linux, linux users with windows.

Because they don't know how to use it immediatly it is crap. Its not a mac attitude, its ignorance from all corners.

its not a holier-than-thou attitude

Then don't use phrases like "its ok, I used to be like that". It makes you sound like a condescending born-again Mac wanker.

I was comparing the 13.3" MBP w 2.53ghz CPU & DELL XPS Studio 13" with 2.53ghz CPU. HDD in the DELL was bigger though.

if you are a leet c*** you don't use macs because you will get an inferior Kill:Death ratio.

I use my PC for CoD4 and my kill:death ratio is inferior .. I suck at FPS wether it's mac or not :(

Then don't use phrases like "its ok, I used to be like that". It makes you sound like a condescending born-again Mac wanker.

It was appropriate at the time because you dismissed something based on using it for 5 mins. As did I once upon a time, with linux and OSX and other apps etc.

Basically you saying that you know its s*** after 5 mins makes you sound like an elitest wanker. Same but different.

Eds > Hogfather

I think anyone who hasn't used OSX (any version of 10.x.x) shouldn't comment on macs being crap
using a mac today is nothing like you'd remember if you ever used OS9 etc

Macs are so hot right now.

There's a difference between saying Apple is s*** and saying Macs are s***.

not really

Yeah, there is.

plz explain

Apple is a company.

Mac is a product.

Apple are a company that make stupid decisions, and set ridiculous prices for their otherwise capable products.

Make sense?

No, because they don't set ridiculous prices or make stupid decisions?

the iPhone is without any doubt the most successful launch of a smart phone in history, bar none
the Mac build quality is far, far superior to anything I've seen come out of dell/hp/asus etc

some people will pay more for high quality, others wont
you're obviously the "others" and I'm the "some people"

team hoggy signing in to say apple and macs are both thist

It was appropriate at the time because you dismissed something based on using it for 5 mins. As did I once upon a time, with linux and OSX and other apps etc.

Did I? learn to read Eddy.

Also: ^5 Spooky

last edited by Hogfather at 14:16:35 29/Nov/09

It was appropriate at the time because you dismissed something based on using it for 5 mins. As did I once upon a time, with linux and OSX and other apps etc.

Basically you saying that you know its s*** after 5 mins makes you sound like an elitest wanker. Same but different.

pretty sure you're the only tard who's even mentioned 'using it for 5 mins'.

The sentiment is still true though - most Mac haters haven't tried using one for very long. Obviously there is going to be a learning curve whenever you try a new system and OS. If you try sinking your teeth into using a Mac, you'll realise why so many people are converting - it's sooo much better.

Pretty sure you missed the first post I had that said "Generally" and took the time literally, rather than an expression, which it was.

But its fun to see that you have no real argument other than to pick apart the wording of my post! Well done!

If someone said "hey I tried using OSX and spent time trying to figure it out properly" then fine, its not for everyone.

But really I am tired of the "LAWL MAC IS s***" from people who have used it for an extremly short period of time and have never tried to use it properly or, have simply just never used it and hate it because its not the product they own.

I run windows 7 on my HTPC and my main rig at home, its great, I love it. I have OSX on my MBP, Its great, I love it. I use XP at work......its..okay.

Windows has its pro's and con's, mac has its pro's and con's and so does linux.

My point in here was people who have little to no exposure to a product and saying its s***, and then people who defend it because they have actually used it and know it are flamed by ignorant f***s that havnt used it.

back to my bbq and scotch

My point in here was people who have little to no exposure to a product and saying its s***, and then people who defend it because they have actually used it and know it are flamed by ignorant f***s that havnt used it.

Your "point in here" doesn't change the fact that your tone in all of your posts here makes you come across as an elitist wanker. Though it's really your choice as to how you want to be perceived.

Meh, thats not what I wanted to put across but its text.... Its up to you how you perceive it.

No, because they don't set ridiculous prices or make stupid decisions?

They make plenty of retarded decisions. They block countless programs from their app store, put ridiculous restrictions on their hardware, and they most certainly do charge way too much for their stuff. Looking at this one-day deal, they wanted $30 for an arm strap for an iPod. $30. For a f***ing arm strap, on special. Utterly retarded.

some people will pay more for high quality, others wont
you're obviously the "others" and I'm the "some people"

You're stupid if you think you can only get quality hardware from Apple. I build my PCs from hardware I buy individually, and my hardware never fails. All you're buying is Apple's bulls***.

most Mac haters haven't tried using one for very long

Unfounded stupid generalisation alert!

Unfounded stupid generalisation alert!

Yes it's a generalisation, no it's not unfounded or stupid, unless of course you mean some Mac haters haven't even tried.

So a generalisation isn't stupid (or unfounded) because Billy says so? lolwut.

So the statement is a generalisation because you say so?

Stop trolling :)

the statement is a generalisation because you say so?

No, because the statement's author said so. Stop being a tard.

lol, its fun tho.

Stop trolling

Stop saying the same f***ing thing over and over, it really makes you look like a re-re.

A generalisation is something that is generally true. Every person who I have ever heard hate on Macs has either never even used one, or only tried for a few hours (with one exception of a friend who tried one for a year and didn't like it).

So far in this thread, I can see only one poster, parabol, who has said one experiential reason for hating Macs. Everyone else has been crying over price points or Apple's retardedness. So, if my generalisation is wrong, I am yet to see any evidence of it.

Last year when I joined a new lab, I had to use a Mac for the first time, and I f***ing hated it. I didn't see how anyone could possibly think it was a good system. But, duh, I didn't know how to use it, which is why my experience was so bad.

Do macs have 2 buttons on the mouse yet?

A generalisation is something that is generally true.

No it f***ing isn't, at least it isn't true because you said so.

So far in this thread, I can see only one poster, parabol, who has said one experiential reason for hating Macs. Everyone else has been crying over price points or Apple's retardedness. So, if my generalisation is wrong, I am yet to see any evidence of it.

I'm not actually debating whether or not Macs are s***house.

I'm having a go at you Mac f*****s popping up and preaching about how it cures cancer. Its just a computer, you play games and check email and do work on it, you can't f*** it.

last edited by Hogfather at 16:27:09 29/Nov/09

Do macs have 2 buttons on the mouse yet?

lol... not even sure how to respond to that...

I'm having a go at you Mac f*****s popping up and preaching about how it cures cancer. Its just a computer, you play games and check email and do work on it, you can't f*** it.

So you're complaining about Mac owners posting in defense of Macs, in a thread about Macs... nice one.

And out of curiosity, what's a generalisation? Maybe you meant "over-generalisation"?

I'm not actually debating whether or not Macs are s***house.

I'm having a go at you Mac f*****s popping up and preaching about how it cures cancer. Its just a computer, you play games and check email and do work on it, you can't f*** it.

Is that the same as "you pc f*****s" popping up and preaching how it doesnt cure cancer? Its just a computer....

That is the irony, you are doing EXACTLY what you are accusing of the "mac f*****s" (which I presume is me and billy because we own macs) of doing

We preach because it really is that good (coming from someone who's used Windows since WFWG). But like everything it has its place.. I have an MBP but I also have a Win7 HTPC, a Win7 PC for gaming and have Win7 on my work laptop as well as Ubuntu on my work desktop. I enjoy using the MBP so much (and it's a retarded reason in all honesty as it's hard to explain) because it just works.

The hardware might be over priced, Apple might have s*** policies, you might suddenly start drinking soy chai cafe lattes with cinnamon and nutmeg on top but in my mind the MBP has been the greatest computer related investment I've ever made - I only wish I bought it earlier rather than sit on the fence for so long.

damnit, beaten.

$30 for an arm strap

I don't know about the $30 one but whatever my mrs has is good quality
something tells me the $10 one from ebay (+$5 shipping, see where I'm going with this?) isn't very high quality leather, if leather at all.

You're stupid if you think you can only get quality hardware from Apple. I build my PCs from hardware I buy individually, and my hardware never fails. All you're buying is Apple's bulls***.

who said "only" from apple?
I build my own PCs too, when was the last time you built a laptop though?

Doesn't Apple/Dell/HP/Sony/nearly every other company get a huge computer hardware manufacturer to build most of it's computers?

have you seen this before?

Doesn't Apple/Dell/HP/Sony/nearly every other company get a huge computer hardware manufacturer to build most of it's computers?

Of course, the same way Nike, Cons and no-name s***ty shoes use the same manufacturing plant. Although Apple are custom for their unibody cases.

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A mac is just an overpriced, but well designed computer with high quality components. OS-X is just linux but with a nice user interface, awesome driver support, and much better application support apart from games.

If that appeals to you, good for you, if it doesn't, good for you.

^_^

it's actually BSD, not linux
it's not over priced when you consider the cost of the billet aluminum that they CNC machine the unibody from?
you're paying for ridiculously high quality work there

it makes the laptop more durable and lighter - something I as a consumer care about when lugging it around all the time?

nice user interface, awesome driver support, and much better application support

'nuff said?
on the games point .. that'll change - my mrs plays Sims3 on her mac all the time
its simply a matter of convining the developers to port their games, which will be inevitable once Macs have a decent market share - also inevitable given the fact that people are switching and loving them because they're high quality with;

nice user interface, awesome driver support, and much better application support

It's "overpriced" if you compare to a non-Mac computer with the same hardware. But you can't make such a direct comparison.

It's "overpriced" if you compare to a non-Mac computer with the same hardware. But you can't make such a direct comparison.

you can if you install windows onto it instead of osx ;)

BillyHardboall has finally migrated his iTunes library from his old PC to his new MacBook Pro. What an effort. What the f*** are Apple doing without having a utility to do this for me??

and this is from a fanboi :p

Is that the same as "you pc f*****s" popping up and preaching how it doesnt cure cancer? Its just a computer....

That is the irony, you are doing EXACTLY what you are accusing of the "mac f*****s" (which I presume is me and billy because we own macs) of doing

Nice attempted riposte, but I'm responding to your assertion that the only reason I don't like a Mac is that I haven't given it a good enough go. I wasn't in this thread (or interested in it) until you two clowns started making generalisations about 'people who don't like macs'.

Incidentally: do I need to get f***ed in the arse before I can say whether I'm gay or not? Why do I need to use a Mac for some indeterminate period of time before I can have a 'real' opinion on it?

Can you quantify how long do I need to be a mac fag before I have a 'real' opinion on Mac computers? Do I need to own one first?

how can you justify saying something is bad without trying it?
just because you're afraid of being pummeled in the ass doesn't mean you wouldn't enjoy it if it was Angelina Jolie doing you with a strap on
your mental state is the only thing stopping you from enjoying it in that scenario, thus your mental state needs to be taken into account when giving evidence of your distaste for macs

You would need to allow a sufficient amount of time to adapt to the quirks and differences between the two operating systems
Just like migrating from windows to linux etc, it's not going to be straight forward because they are different
if they weren't different there would be no point in changing at all
Saying linux is s*** because you used it for half a day but couldn't get your printer to work doesn't make it s***
it makes you a bad googleR

Just for the record, I for one would love for Angelina to f*** me in the bum with a strap on, so long as she was nekkid too

Hogfather, from a quick scan back at the posts, you haven't contributed anything useful to this thread, aside from asking how TicMan did his comparison. You did, however, make a couple of attacks on other people.

I wasn't in this thread (or interested in it) until you two clowns started making generalisations about 'people who don't like macs'.

You still haven't shown that my generalisation was wrong, so what's your problem? Do you really think it's inaccurate?

Incidentally: do I need to get f***ed in the arse before I can say whether I'm gay or not? Why do I need to use a Mac for some indeterminate period of time before I can have a 'real' opinion on it?

You don't as long as your opinion is constrained to the price, because that is almost all you are qualified to complain about.

Can you quantify how long do I need to be a mac fag before I have a 'real' opinion on Mac computers? Do I need to own one first?

I dunno - how long did it take you to get comfortable with the OS you use now? Months, weeks, years? Probably years.

You still haven't shown that my generalisation was wrong, so what's your problem? Do you really think it's inaccurate?

Yes I do.

But you see, you're the one making the claim, not me. I'm the one who has asked you to back up your assertion, which you seem to be trying to get out of. Am I to prove a negative somehow?

You don't as long as your opinion is constrained to the price, because that is almost all you are qualified to complain about.

My personal reason for not even considering a Mac is that they are utterly unsuitable for my use case - Visual Studio won't run on OSX, and OSX is almost the entire point of Mac ownership.

Or is the suitability of the product not a 'valid' reason?

last edited by Hogfather at 22:15:01 29/Nov/09

wait what, I've known people to buy macbook pros to soley run windows
becuase .. wait for it, they have awesome build quality and hardware

and the components are well-known, high end s*** (ie drivers are easy to come by)

I don't personally understand why you would get a Mac to run Windows, but hey people can do whatever they like with their money.

But buying a Mac to run Windows isn't really being a 'Mac user'. The whole argument about being familiar with the OS and giving Macs a go is about OSX vs Windows.

Arguing Mac+Windows vs OtherPC+Windows may as well be a HP vs Dell argument!

of course it is
its not like being an "osx user"

being a mac user is just like being a dell/hp user
mac hardware is superior.

I'm not gonna argue hardware with you, I don't know enough about it these days. It all seems pretty standardised around chipsets (nvidia, ati, intel, amd etc) anyway.

If this is really about Apple hardware vs Other PC hardware I'll leave you guys to it, not interested.

I haven't had any hardware fail on me in years ... Well, aside from my Dell laptop which took a coffee bath, it kept going for nine months after though which isn't bad IMO.

last edited by Hogfather at 22:58:27 29/Nov/09

I think what you mean is "mercy"

the actual bits inside your average macbook is quite high quality - basically
the bits inside your average hp/dell/asus etc changes frequently and is often some very obscure stuff
you never know what kind of problems you're going to run into
at least with apple they're consistent, I know where to find drivers (well, they all just work because with being the hardware & O/S vendor they just build driver support in from the ground level)

also like I mentioned earlier, build quality is very obviously higher in macs (I guess this is really opinion based, I haven't pulled them all apart etc)
but understanding what CNC is really brings it into perspective
they went to so much effort to make it strong but light and they think ahead with their ideas like magsafe charging etc

their products "just work" together, you can tell they've put a lot of effort into making this happen

mercy?

lets just agree to disagree and lock this thread already.

the sale is over and this argument is just going in circles.

i'd try out a mac, but i've bagged them so much to my mates i'll look like a hypocrite so its full steam ahead!

I'd use an Apple as long when it become as cheap as PC and all the software I use is available on it, which translate to, I never will use a Mac not even an iPhone. Oh yeah and Plasma rulz, LCD sucks LOLROFLECHOPTER.

I used to be a hater for no reason too, until I bought one for my gf (years ago now)
I ended up using it heaps so I bought myself one, we got the exact same spec so in order to tell them apart I got a black one

mines called 'boy', hers is called 'girl'

Opec

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Nah teq, I still don't want Apple anything. It's like making me buy an LCD TV, I just feel all dirty and stuff.

yeah i sold someone a macbook yesterday. i felt a little dirty afterward, but i think for $1299 they have good value for money (considering the outrageous prices for other mac products).

I'm with yuo on the LCD front brotha, but macs shouldn't be hated just because they're macs
give them a chance, I used to be anti-apple as they come but my brother was a typical macfag so I got to using a few of his toys and eventually wanted my own (apple tv and mac mini etc back in the day)

I eventually did buy my own, then the iphone came out and I was all like "im not buying some gay phone made by a company who has never made a phone before"
then i bought an iphone once i realised teh error of my ways

now im a mac and a pc user, my primary machine is a win7 box but my take-everywhere/watch movies/lay in bed & surf machine is a macbook

It amazes me that Apple has so many free salespeople on the internet.

You guys don't feel lame ... at all?

but my take-everywhere/watch movies/lay in bed & surf machine is a macbook

can't your pc do all of that?

don't you feel lame for hating something based on 0 information?

don't you feel lame for hating something based on 0 information?

Where do you get 0 information from? You guys really are convinced that nobody can legitimately dislike Macs, aren't you? Doesn't that seem just a LITTLE bit brainwashed?

And once again, I didn't get an answer. Do you feel lame doing Apple's marketing for them? Do you stand up on the internet and praise other products you've consumed so stridently?

last edited by Hogfather at 00:29:03 30/Nov/09

You guys don't feel lame ... at all?

Not really no. Word of mouth is the most powerful marketing tool around.
When I have a good experience with something, I often praise the s*** out of it because it is seemingly rare these days.

I agree that OSX isnt for everyones use and I still run windows in vmware on mine and I use windows at work and home because I need it for work. But for photos and internet and email and other day to day things, there is nothing I cannot do.

The biggest reason I bought a mac (you will love this) is because I spent all day fixing windows servers and workstations and at night I would sometimes have issues with my own machines. My MBP just works.

When I get home I want to surf the net, check my email and basic s*** like that and I have never had an issue on it or had to mod it or anything Iv had to do in windows and thats why I like it at home.

My biggest gripe is now that I have changed jobs and I do a lot of project work now, I wish Office 2007 was available for mac instead of me having to dual boot. (I prefer the gui)

because it is seemingly rare these days

Hah, not in an Apple thread. You guys are f***ing Legion.

The biggest reason I bought a mac (you will love this) is because I spent all day fixing windows servers and workstations and at night I would sometimes have issues with my own machines. My MBP just works

Eds you have just described my situation to a T

Additionally I am gaming a lot less after using mac, and more concentrating on web dev, video and photo editing. Win7 gets used on a daliy basis at home on the main htpc, I seldom fire up my other win7 rigs and barely touch my vm image of windows.

I think I will skip a mbp and just use a macbook, and pour my money in a macpro

The biggest reason I bought a mac (you will love this) is because I spent all day fixing windows servers and workstations and at night I would sometimes have issues with my own machines. My MBP just works.

Ditto.

Reasons for opting macpro is that
1) Need a bit of grunt for the editing work that I am doing when I am doing it
2) Want more than 16Gb of ram for non server vm's normally 2, 4, 4, 512mb and I want at least 4 got the os. And its cheap enough as long as its not purchased from apple. Priced it out at 400usd for 16b in fb-dimm's from a mate in the states (2x8) who is also shipping the machine
3) Need Triple display
4) Not much difference in price when considering workstation grade dual 55xx Xeon capable board + cpu's at least 850watt psu + ram & chassis & video card its in the 5-7k region anyway.
5) Drives I have sorted
6) Ties in with the admin work I'm doing
7) Already have displays
8) Pricing is specific to my situation being a) have contacts b) am reseller (and this doesn't really apply to many people here, who would buy their s*** at msy)
9) Time I don't have much any more

Now I could build my own system or buy a tier 1 system something like a t5500/t7500, which when looking at the workstation grade gear it can be cheaper than building your own just get the hook up from your dell rep, Hp wouldn't get a look in.

And no little f*****s its not a extreme edition i7 & high end board and grunty gaming card type of system we are talking about here either.


last edited by HerbalLizard at 08:06:36 30/Nov/09

Also power usage is starting to become a concern for me, so I am ditching two htpc's, 1 win7 rig, and a host of other s***, and also my wife is cracking the s***s that 7 pc's in the lounge is pissing her off

http://www.macsales.com/ do cheap ram for mac pro's too, I grabbed 16 gig fairly cheap from them a while ago.

My mistake it was actually 4x4 not 2x8 its pretty pricey at malesales considering that they want 619 for a 16gb kit when I am getting it at 400 flat. But for joe average yes the pricing is actually pretty good

My MBP just works.
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My biggest gripe is now that I have changed jobs and I do a lot of project work now, I wish Office 2007 was available for mac instead of me having to dual boot. (I prefer the gui)

Ok not having to sound like an overzealous windows fan boy or anything but those two statements contradict themselves. Clearly it doesn't "just work" because, you now can't do your work at home without using windows.

The statement "I bought a Mac because it 'Just works'" is being thrown around a lot but, you know what I seldom use my home PC for anything cause I don't play games or anything like that so yeah I'd be a perfect target audience for Apple products.

But guess what, when my 6 year old Dell home PC died (I leave this PC on 24/7 for the past 6 years running Windows XP Pro), I bought a new Lenovo PC and run, yeah, Vista SP2 and my PC just works too.... and it only costs me just over a grand.. oh and just so I'm not a hypocrite, "just works" means I have to patch my PC and learn about Vista's idiosyncrasies. But, _to me_ it just works and I can do 100% of everything I do, however insignificant the task maybe.

At least I know I don't have to worry about looking for windows software that I really needed I can get because like it or not Windows still runs 90% of the world and if "just works" mean I have to dual boot into Windows or remote desktop to my work PC so I can edit a simple Office documents, then I think I'll stick with Windows for now. :)

I can however appreciate a beautiful hardware and interface which Apple is a market leader without a doubt, they just know how to make computing beautiful, a phenomenon which I don't quite understand why PC market couldn't quite get right, though probably have something to do with massive market and billion of things it needs to support and be compatible with etc.

So yeah I do get a Mac envy sometimes but that usually only lasts a few minutes because as soon as I thought about that I needed it to be able to do, it just looses its gloss and the tag "just works" just doesn't seem so for me. If you can make it work for you then great.




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I think the statement should be "It just works.... but not entirely for everyone" Also opec there is ms-rdp for mac

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I have Office 2007 (the Mac equivalent which I think is 2008) on my Mac? What you guys talkin about Willis.

Wouldn't know I use open office for mac

Eds - why are you dual booting to use Office? Do you not want to fork out money for a Mac version?

I'm slowly trying to convert to iWork instead of Office. Pages is quite nice, and I hear amazing things about keynote. However, I'm probably going to stick with excel, just because of my detailed knowledge in it. Of course the only hassle is having to convert docs to .doc before I send them to colleagues.

Also http://porting.openoffice.org/mac/download/aqua.html

I got office 2007 free with my macbook

BillyHardball I'm speculating that perhaps he needs to use Visio or Projects which hasn't been ported to OSX platform. I'm sure MS will get around to do it eventually.

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BillyHardball I'm speculating that perhaps he needs to use Visio or Projects which hasn't been ported to OSX platform. I'm sure MS will get around to do it eventually.

Oh that makes sense.