Not surprising that Microsoft would finally start to get things right with their security.....they've had long enough.

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/13051/ie_8_comes_out_tops_in_security_test/index.html

and more websites work with it as well;

if only they get a 64bit flash player that woudltn fall over all the time

Firefox 3.5 is s***. Way less stable than 3.0

I wish i'd never used it, now I like the add-ons and there aren't any other options!

Opera 10 beta 3 FTW!

IE8 is still slow on a lot of computers, though. Nothing worse than hitting New Tab and it taking literally about five seconds to finally be responsive.

Firefox takes way too long to open (on all OSs). Its great being all secure and everything but when you have to wait fages it gets tedious to use...

ive never had any problems with any version of firefox.
and yeah, the addons rock..
can ie do :-

ad blocker plus
myspace login tool bar
bookmarks toolbar
etc etc.......

Firefox always takes f***ing ages to start, so I stopped using it. Then again, I don't really bother with all these fancy "must have" plugins.

I don't start firefox very often, I just leave it running for weeks unless it crashes which isn't very often despite the insane amount of tabs I have going all the time

and when I do have to start it it just starts in like 3 seconds - how slow is 'way too long' for you guys?

I don't have many addons: firebug, avg, cooliris, english dictionary, firedownload, nagios checker, tamper data and the ms .net one

ie8 is horrible and not standards compliant - almost everything you do in making websites you have to make special consideration for IE. For example you can't set the opacity of an element with a 24 bit PNG without f***ing the PNG up. So you need to create a second set of low-grade graphics (minus shadows and smooth curved edges) just for IE users. Any DOM scripting requires a seperate lot of code for IE as well.
If you think 'more sites work with ie8' then you are basically looking at poorly made websites, because well made websites will work properly in everything other than ie8, and exceptional websites will work in everything. Poor websites won't work in a standards compliant browser, but they will work in IE because the developer was a dumbarse and only tested in the default browser that came with their Hewlett Packard.



last edited by thermite at 13:33:58 25/Aug/09

ad blocker plus
myspace login tool bar
bookmarks toolbar
etc etc.......

i dont want to do any of those things

I want ABP, DownThemAll and Unlinker.

I have to use spikeproxy when I mess with IE.. Firefox I have HackBar and TamperData installed in the browser to view everything in my HTTP travels. Lets me mess with things like the referals and cookie creation.

Only place I have IE8 installed is my gaming desktop with windows 7. :/

Firefox starts quick for me

I don't have many addons: firebug, avg, cooliris, english dictionary, firedownload, nagios checker etc

OMG JIM. Just installed nagios checker, EPIC WIN!

<3 <3

IE8 for the win. There was a close contention for the crown between Firefox 3 and IE7, now with the POS that is Firefox 3.5 and the brilliant IE8, the choice is easy. IE8

bookmarks toolbar

Uh i had this in ie6, ie7 and ie8. It's called links.

$ack - credit to blahnana, who told me about it

<3 blahnana

[what thermite said]

Man. After doing a decent amount of web dev recently, I have built a hatred toward Microsoft and Internet Explorer. Now they want to keep IE6 around for another four years.

I make sure it looks ok in IE7/8 but I don't go out of my way to fix small issues. Microsoft are the most f***ing annoying software company ever to exist. Vendor locking bastards. /end-overthetop-rage

I code in standard-compliant XHTML+CSS and don't care much for the problems that IE creates if they're small things.

and Unlinker.

lol @ the last screenshot on the website for that addon:

http://www.unlinker.com/screens.php

hahaha NWS that s***

I code in standard-compliant XHTML+CSS and don't care much for the problems that IE creates if they're small things.

Unfortunately not everyone has this luxury.

That study was paid for by Microsoft, so right from the start its meaningless.

http://www.thetechherald.com/article.php/200913/3329/Can-you-trust-the-NSS-Labs-report-touting-the-benefits-of-IE8-Update has some critical analysis of the study.

In the research world you're blacklisted if you do dodgy stuff like this.

Unfortunately not everyone has this luxury.

I suppose I'm lucky then ^_^

I guess so!

You do love the s*** out of Apple though, not sure I'd count myself being lucky if I was that way!







bait bait bait

I tried switching to safari and I liked it at first but after a while it's started using %50 of my CPU when it's just sitting there with a page on QGL opened so I uninstalled it & went back to Firefox 3.5.2. Also my ipod stopped working in my car spontaneously after itunes updated its firmware. So much for Apple's "everything just works" slogan. I've had no trouble with any windows software. f*** Apple.

I really only do more simple sites for things I'm a part of so its not too imperative to have it perfect in every browser. I've upgraded to IE8 at work and every IE-based application works perfectly fine. There's all this talk that upgrading to IE8 breaks them, but so far I haven't had one problem with these 'corporate web-apps'.

**shrugs**

EDIT: yeah safari is a piece of crap on windows. I had it running meebo.com and it was using 250mb of ram. wtf

safari is really secure

it can hang out with fags all day and not worry if it gets seen with them by its mates

EDIT: yeah safari is a piece of crap on windows. I had it running meebo.com and it was using 250mb of ram. wtf

It's a pity too because I really was starting to like it, except the fact the refresh button is on the right hand side of the address bar and it seems to be the one button they don't let you move, wtf.

Either way I found a safari skin for firefox so meh :p

if only they get a 64bit flash player that woudltn fall over all the time

The problem is Adobe isn't it? Not IE. I thought Adobe had refused to release a 64bit version because they didn't see a need to. Or maybe I'm wrong :)

Posting from safari. The latest version rocks.

Still have to use IE for work stuff though, and Firefox for Firebug.

sounds like a major hassle

Nah. Just open what's needed. General surfing = safari; debugging some client side code or css = firebug (so firefox); and sharepoint / msdn = IE.

All of the browsers have their strengths / weaknesses.

Well here's Apple's advertised benchmarking on Windows.

SunSpider Javascript
Safari 4 - 609ms
Firefox 3.5 Beta 4 - 1102ms
Internet Explorer 8 - 4735ms

i-Bench HTML
Safari 4 - 1.0s
Firefox 3.5 Beta 4 - 3.1s
Internet Explorer 8 - 3.6s

i-Bench JavaScript
Safari 4 - 0.18s
Firefox 3.5 Beta 4 - 0.83
Internet Explorer 8 - 1.07

Surely Microsoft are ashamed of Internet Explorer. It’s getting whipped by browsers with 1/100th of Microsoft’s resources. It’s not getting beaten the way OS X beats Windows either, browser performance can be measured by real, tangible tests and IE8 comes last every time.

My favourite windows browser is definitely Chrome. Feels right, and nice and fast. But I haven't tried Safari with the windows...chrome.

That study was paid for by Microsoft, so right from the start its meaningless.

http://www.thetechherald.com/article.php/200913/3329/Can-you-trust-the-NSS-Labs-report-touting-the-benefits-of-IE8-Update has some critical analysis of the study.

The first question in this thread should have been, "where did this data come from?" Don't you guys listen to what BillyH says all the time?!@#

Firefox just took less than a second to load while the cpu was at 100% converting a movie. Never had an issue with it.

I got around to using windows 8 on my dad's computer. Had to set up some compatibility option just so I could use Heritage Building societies website.

The Firefags won't be happy to hear this news that IE 8 is more secure. Safari is really fast for me.

The Firefags won't be happy to hear this news that IE 8 is more secure. Safari is really fast for me.

us "firefags" prolly used out browsers awesome security and speed to read the rest of this thread to discover that the article in the OP is MS sponsored FUD

^ Topic: IE 8 more secure than Firefox - that's all I needed to see :)

The rest of the thread seems to follow suit, firefox is s***, slow, yawntastic. I have no reason not to believe the report in the link I apparently didn't click :)

ps I don't really care either.

What are you people doing with your PCs to make Firefox 3.5 start slowly and crash? Almost everyone I know uses Firefox 3.5, and I've never heard anybody complain about either of these things.

Safari never really grabbed me. All I've got installed on my home PC now is Chrome. It's the bomb.

Safari never really grabbed me

check out the latest version. Finally they've fixed the text rendering to behave like all other windows apps (although you can change it to the mac make-your-eyes-bleed-with-roundness text rendering if you prefer).

What are you people doing with your PCs to make Firefox 3.5 start slowly and crash?

The only way this is achieved afaik is by installing too many add-ons... all of which start up and check for updates when you launch firefox.

It's the bomb.

+1 Chrome is so quick even on old s***ty beige-PCs. I told my sister to go and download chrome because IE was chugging like a whore and she rang me back up and said "OMG its so fast!" and im like "....yep".

Finally they've fixed the text rendering to behave like all other windows apps (although you can change it to the mac make-your-eyes-bleed-with-roundness text rendering if you prefer).

Yeah, having a Mac myself, the text rendering in Safari on Windows seems much worse than it is on Mac, its very smooth and rendered quite well, but on winsafari it looks all "globby". **shrugs**

The old Mac themed Safari actually looked really bad in terms of the GUI, didn't look right on Windows. I'm glad they converted it to use the Windows theming.

last edited by 3dee at 08:19:48 26/Aug/09

Wasn't the latest FF using your temp files to generate encryption keys which caused massively long delays in starting up? Either way, as long as I can hit QGL, The Age and various selected other sites that require "private mode" then I don't care what browser I use.