If anyone has ever tried shooting.

Games do not prepare you for shooting it is an entirely different experience, for which I did today go out shooting, and it was damn fun, it was better than counter-strike or any shooting game. It was great for stress relief as well. It also comes with great responsibility and to have an awareness of what is around you.

My point is simply that all these claims that games cause violence is utter bulls***, its the person choosing to act violently that causes the violence and it simply cannot be anything else.

0 apples does not equal minimal oranges.

Did they teach you to put the safety on while beating up hookers?

I don't think anyone's arguing that clicking a mouse or pressing a button on a controller actually prepares you for firing a gun, I think they're arguing that violent games desensitise people to and glorify violence, as well as training them how to use a weapon effectively and efficiently.

I can sort of see their point in some ways, especially considering the US Army recognises it as well (including not only using video games to train their soldiers but also to glorify what they do through releasing their own FPS game).

That said, however, I don't agree that it's ever the cause of the violence, which many people who are vocal in this area seem to think for some reason.

as well as training them how to use a weapon effectively and efficiently.

Yeah, being able to just hold down the fire button on an m4 in cod4 and have my character automatically reload for me when I'm empty has fully taught me how to efficiently hold, fire and reload a weapon and that recoil isn't worth worrying about.

Not to mention that sniper rifles will penetrate foot thick concrete walls but totally bounce off a garbage can so I'd better hide inside a garbage can when facing off against SWAT. Oh and that gravity and wind don't affect bullet trajectory.

Yeah, video games are like a total weapon training package for kids.

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how to use a weapon effectively and efficiently.

bs. ive played a s***load of fps games and theres no way i would be able to use a real weapon effectively and efficiently.

bs. ive played a s***load of fps games and theres no way i would be able to use a real weapon effectively and efficiently.

While playing UT one day with my brother, he was chasing me around the map with that remote controlled nuclear missile thing (redeemer?) and I shot it out of the air with a sniper rifle. I bet if I held a sniper rifle in real life I wouldn't be able to hit the broad side of a barn from the inside.

Of course you can learn these skills playing fps games, you should see my rocket jump!

i can sticky jump like a mad c***

how to use a weapon effectively and efficiently.

bs. ive played a s***load of fps games and theres no way i would be able to use a real weapon effectively and efficiently.

I probably worded that incorrectly, what I think they mean by it is the whole one shot per target, and picking your targets and all that sort of thing (not like the technical skills for using the weapon) I'm pretty sure people expressed concerns over video games teaching kids to take down the maximum number of targets in the shortest amount of time and possibly other similar things.

Interesting read on a study between the link of video games and violence

Note the article points out that video games do not teach violent behavior which is also my opinion. Video Games are societies way of laying blame on something to avoid the more obvious social problems that exist within our society. Forever used as a scapegoat for the media.

Firing a weapon is easy.
Killing someone is hard work mentally.

Not if you're messed up in the head, then I imagine it gets slightly easier. Especially if the people who get killed tormented the killer at school/work/home.

guns are f***ing awesome
talking about guns/videogames is retarded s*** for retards


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i am a crack shot fyi, so not stand still directly in front of me under optimal shooting conditions or i will shoot ur eyes, ears and brains out

I haven't done all that much in the way of shooting.
But all I can say is I hate bench shooting, it feels boring and cheating/unskilled compared to firing a 308 from the shoulder =]

even 25m with a scope takes a bit of getting used to controlling/waiting for the sway, which i imagine would improve with shooting more often and developing the muscles to hold a rifle in such a manner with more stability, and the recoil just leaves a grin on your face after every round anyway :)

I try to murder nonsense every day but helping people learn more about things

i am a crack shot fyi, so not stand still directly in front of me under optimal shooting conditions or i will shoot ur eyes, ears and brains out

hahahwhaew haeh aw

i thought i was a pro with the ak47 in cod4, then when i try to use a 303 for roo shooting i am all over the place.

guns needs more balance IRL.

So where'd you go do it and how much did it cost? I am interested.

Not if you're messed up in the head, then I imagine it gets slightly easier. Especially if the people who get killed tormented the killer at school/work/home.

Well, with proper training 99% of combat soldiers will shoot to kill without hesitation. Do you think they are messed up?

video games don't desensitize people, vids like the russian beheading video / neo nazi beheading, all the random tubgirl / goatse and just the fact that the net is littered with images and videos of people you don't know so it doesn't have as much effect on you.

not to mention anyone that thinks cs is the equiv of really killing terrorists is a fkn moron.

There are plenty of ranges out there just google it. Initial gun purchase is expensive, start with a .22 and remember just because it has little to no recoil doesn't mean it cannot hurt someone, most injuries associated with firing are with the .22 because people think they don't do anything. Its the shock of a bullet thats causes death not the actual bullet puncturing the body. .22 is just as lethal as any other round of ammunition.

Get someone experienced to instruct you and give you a run-down on how to use a gun. Exercise extreme carefulness in learning and operating the gun. Listen and pay attention to the person teaching you and also if there is any doubt in your mind about what to do seek clarification. It is not a toy.

Secondly www.usedguns.com.au for rifle purchases.

well when i want to murder someone the 1st thing i do, is have the boys around for beers and bongs, load up the wii and play house of the dead..
yeah/nah, doesnt really help.......

The thing is, that killing people hast got nuts to do with shooter games. There are hundrets of murders a day, but if they make out that one of them played cs or something like that, its always the game
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Actually,modern Psychological Theory would repudiate media violence being used to desensitise people to real violence. The emotional triggers are different, for instance it is impossible to desensitise an agoraphobic by simply showing them pictures of open spaces or shopping malls, instead to desensitise they actually have to be present in an open space. Systematic Desensitisation is the process of scaling up the emotional trigger until they're facing the exact same thing as they would be in real life. So they'd start by taking a walk outside the house, then maybe a walk down the road, eventually they might visit a very quiet cafe etc. until eventually they're ready to face their phobia. This process doesn't occur within a video game.

In addition to this there is a common paradox that various anti gaming lobbies like to use. Many of them will claim games as being addictive, and yet will also claim that gamers are being desensitised to their content. As the two things are mutually exclusive (Psychological addiction is a dependency based upon sensation or emotion, while desensitisation is a lack of the former due to repeated exposure) this is an impossibility, games are either addictive or desensitising, OR alternatively, they're like violence, subject to either based ENTIRELY on the personality of the person prior to exposure (aka someone who enjoys violence is liable to become addicted to violent games, while someone apathetic to violence is liable to become desensitised).

Last but not least, games don't provide people with a motive for violence. Motive is entirely subject to external circumstance, murder is rarely spontaneously born out of nothing, instead perhaps people should focus upon the factors that precipitate motive as opposed to blaming games directly for violence. By the way, here's another small hypocrisy. If one is desensitised to violence, one is far less likely to commit a violent act born out of passion (due to a lack of emotion surrounding the response), instead though cold calculated murder is more likely to occur (for which there are usually far more serious motives, financial wealth, long-standing hatreds etc).

Anyway's, it's mostly armchair psychology, but it stands up just as well to modern theory as most of the half baked studies do.

Killing people has got nothing to do with shooter games. There are hundreds of murders a day. They make up that one of them played cs or something like that and then can blame the game!
It's just ridiculous!

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i thought i was a pro with the ak47 in cod4, then when i try to use a 303 for roo shooting i am all over the place.

guns needs more balance IRL.

Did you adjust sensitivity under options?

Killing someone is hard work mentally.

How do you know, FaceMan? Hmm?

I just remind people that the Crusades were done centuries before counterstrike/GTA/age of empires/etc... We've been killing each other well before games taught us how to get a high score...

Yeah, paintball is alot of fun too :D trip a mate over, and unload on the bastard...

If someone is trying to kill you then most people will try to save themself unless they panic.

But Killing innocent people ?
That takes a special line of thought.
There is a Lot of evidence to support the theory that Pedophiles begin 'training their minds' by torturing animals.
They progress to children and have little or no empathy for the child victim.
They overcome their Morality.

You can still learn theory and tactics from a game though ?
You can have a game that depicts the rape of women and children banned because it encourages said attacks yet a game that depicts murder is Legal ?

I'm eagerly awaiting a game that trains me to kill FaceMan.

I pretty much see it as follows.

The media in general loves Sensationalism, anything which could be construed as being borderline socially acceptable or even socially unacceptable and then blow everything out of proportion and look for a smoking gun.

Makes for great stories and sells lots of newspapers, you'll be hard pressed to find ANY facts.

Video games don't kill people, people kill people, guns just make it easy.

video games don't desensitize people, vids like the russian beheading video / neo nazi beheading, all the random tubgirl / goatse and just the fact that the net is littered with images and videos of people you don't know so it doesn't have as much effect on you.

not to mention anyone that thinks cs is the equiv of really killing terrorists is a fkn moron.

bahaha lemon party ftw!

i think im gonna go watch 30 rock.

Seems like whats needed here is some Penn and Teller!

Secondly www.usedguns.com.au for rifle purchases.

Holy crap, when did guns become so expensive. I use to own a 44 mag lever action rifle back when I was a kid and it cost me about $200. Just saw the same one there for $1000

I found shooting guns pretty boring unless I was hunting. I'd rather go fishing these days.

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I found shooting guns pretty boring unless I was hunting. I'd rather go fishing these days.

i dont think anything is more boring than fishing.

Poor kid wasn't even shown how to hold the rifle properly....still that is probably how most boys his age will react to shooting an AR15 the first time.