An online friend from California shared these pics with me,

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e208/zasabiibasaz/IMG_3962.jpg
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e208/zasabiibasaz/IMG_3952.jpg

Oh god!

How can the US be ahead of us :(

I like the whiteboards with the various strands :D (g/8th/oz respectively)

nope can't say I have

Now go find some photo's of the Coffee Shops in Amsterdam

is that all you dope heads think about?

$400USD/OZ ?!@#$!@#!32 f*** off

that's twice what .. some people pay

I'm assuming the numbers are prices? Is the $400 per ounce? That's pretty freaking expensive isn't it?

Is that for medial use only or?

Edit: *puts glasses on*

I imagine the tobacoo companies jumping on the bandwagon and selling mixtures of different strengths, rather than different strains.

Pretty silly theres places like that in teh world, and in other places they take your whole life away from you if you have even a small amount.

I imagine Faceman would make more sense

$15 a gram is a bit steep! Thats more than 400USD an ounce.. I'll stick to the illegal stuff thanks.

Only when I was a disgusting drug smoking hippy freak loser in my late teens and early 20s, I used to wonder all the time.

Then after I was about 25 I didn't really care any more.

Then just before I hit 30, I _finally_ realised how retarded it was being stoned all the time and stopped smoking.

Smoking is for hippies and losers (because I don't do it any more - reformed smokers ftw)

If you smoke, you're a fag.

so only vape and cookies now freewheelin

$400USD/OZ ?!@#$!@#!32 f*** off

that's twice what .. some people pay

They're pretty brutal highly selective strains, 20-25%+ THC. They take there bud very seriously, you can see the big magnifying glasses to examine the product. It's not crappy bush weed, the stuff is covered in crystals.

Some of the Cali blokes compare 1 oz of regular bud to 1/8th of medical grade, that's what I've been told.

nuthn worse than rehabed drug-users ... 'cept maybe born again christians!

rehab's for quitters. :D

last edited by demon at 14:58:27 15/Jun/09

They're pretty brutal highly selective strains, 20-25%+ THC. They take there bud very seriously, you can see the big magnifying glasses to examine the product. It's not crappy bush weed, the stuff is covered in crystals.

At the end of the day, it's something they spent $10 growing for an entire tree. Sure some money might have went to some hippy to play with the breed but the reason people pay so much now is because it's illegal. They're just profiteering. Half the argument for legalisation is to stop crooks getting rich from illegal things heh.

That would be true if it was legal federally.

At the moment though, the DEA can (and will) rape all the growers for maximum federal jail time.

If you took the risk out of the equation, prices would come down.

Is it even appropriate for threads relating to illicit substances to be posted on this forum? If posting about warez is banned shouldn't posting about illicit drugs be banned?

I always assumed we were allowed to talk about it, never seen a cannabis thread get closed.

Last one that popped up was a 60+ minute video on how to specifically grow it for profit and a few mods even watched it and enjoyed it?

last edited by CHUB at 15:12:34 15/Jun/09

unlike warez and incest on the wynumm side of town, marijuana is a common thing in australia so can probably be discussed sensibly

Photo of "Jack Herer" strain from same guy in Cali, shows why they pay top $.

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e208/zasabiibasaz/PICT0163.jpg

i got charged with the crime of the century the other night...

possessing a utensil which MAY be used for a drug offensive ie a 3 year old pipe i had forgotten about in the bottom of my car

yay nanny state

What, they can't charge you for a pipe.

Pipes are 100% legal.

nope not anymore

Possessing Things - Bongs, Water Pipes etc.

A person must not have in their possession anything for use in connection with the administration, consumption or smoking of a dangerous drug. The most common reason that people are charged with this offence is that they are in possession of a bong, water pipe, or other instrument used for smoking marijuana. The police do not need to show that the thing was actually being used for a drug offence. They only need to show that its intended use was related to a drug offence. It is for this reason that people can be charged with possession of a bong, without actually being charged with possession of marijuana. However, it is more common for the person to be charged with both offences. In most cases, people who are convicted of this offence receive fines. The “thing” is forfeited to the Crown, and destroyed by police.

Photo of "Jack Herer" strain from same guy in Cali, shows why they pay top $.

Pass that s***!

maybe in your world where everyone buys pot from supermarkets they are legal but not in qld.

nope not anymore

That's a bong, not a pipe.

Pipes are legal and sold everywhere.

What, they can't charge you for a pipe.

Pipes are 100% legal.

Lol. They can charge you for a pair of scissors if they have residue/you made admissions to their use.

oh well hopefully the court just tells me to f*** off then :)

Lol. They can charge you for a pair of scissors if they have residue/you made admissions to their use.

Indeed.

A pipe in itself though isn't a crime.

If it smells like weed it is, and I have suspicions it did.

Does that whiteboard say enjoy one free gram?

I don't understand what these bong laws are trying to do? Now instead of safe materials people smoke out of tin can, rubber hoses and plastic bottles.

US has such badass glass, check this s***

https://tokecity.com/forums/attachment.php4?attachmentid=82283&d=1224269152

Harmonic inline diffuser
https://tokecity.com/forums/attachment.php4?attachmentid=82290&d=1224269341

Stoner science at its best.

ok,
so they can do you for having a lighter and a hose in the garden.....

can they arrest corner stores for the ice breaks in there fridges......

and i agree with the whole, now we smoke through crap utensils which may give of even more harmful chemicals when heated.

the U.S can have all the fancy bongs in the world, but a vaporiser is the best way to smoke...cleanest anyway........

if everyone was like me, nothing in the world would ever get done, so no, legalisation is probably not the best thing........

government grade 50 bags from a vending machine aint ever gonna happen ....

and arent those californian pot shops for people with medical conditions anyway........even if the condition is paranoia which is set off by weed anyway in some people?

maybe i watch too much weeds....i know i smoke too much weed....yay for me !!!

time for some weed and wii or wiid for short !!!!!

In the first pic in the OP, I like the LCD monitor in the back-right corner which shows 16x security camera outputs.

Yeah, the dispensaries have beefy security, the doors are big steel f***ers.

You can't just walk in :D

well spotted

and yeah I got over being baked 24x7
when you have done it for years and you eventually come out of it, its like you're just opening your eyes for the first time

everything makes more sense

Indeed teq.

People seem to think if it was legalized the whole world would start blazing and nothing would get done.

Nothing would change for the worse.

Nothing would change

except the world would be a better place

thank f*** stoners aren't in charge of anything and aren't taken seriously.

you seem to be very angry towards stoners infi, why is that?

was your mum a stoner and never loved you?

im all for letting stoners be, they arent hurting anyone;

thank f*** stoners aren't in charge of anything and aren't taken seriously.

Thank f*** for that.

Might edit that, don't want to derail my own thread :D

im all for letting stoners be, they arent hurting anyone;

in fact, they're probably some of the most calm people you know (not directed at spook or chub, but everyone else)

i am not angry towards stoners, i am just thankful they are not in charge of anything cos we sure as s*** wouldn't have running water or electricity or sewerage or anything modern to enjoy.

nothing gets done with stoners cos they are always f***en stoned! i don't even know how they hold down jobs. i have fired every stoner i have ever employed cos they are so spacey and unreliable.

then they obsess all the time about building a bigger bong or getting a stronger strain of drug, or getting two bongs and welding them together or using duct tape for a double barrelled bong to get even more high.

and then they share stories about these overseas nirvana where the super strong s*** is available on every corner at half the price we pay here, like some sort of atlantis for stoners.

meanwhile the rest of society is actually doing stuff. lol

bill clinton inhaled man!! :D

There's a lot of users in Australia infi.

There's lawyers, there's doctors, there's politicians, engineers, teachers... every type of trade, you can't name a single occupation that doesn't have users in it.

Cannabis doesn't discriminate.

i am just thankful they are not in charge of anything cos we sure as s*** wouldn't have running water or electricity

Hey I know a few of the guys who work on powerlines for energex, and they definitly love the ganja. RACQ insurance staff too. Lots of professors. One cop!

bill clinton inhaled man!! :D

And Monica Lewinski inhaled Bill Clinton .

Yeah, I don't think you can generalise.

However, the main point in legislating seems to be the correlation between smokers and associated mental health issues.

Yeah, yeah, alcohol has similar issues and is legal (most common argument) - well, I'm not saying that's a good thing either.

Not to be a fence-sitter, I think you have to go with medical professionals on making decisions with drugs like alcohol, dope, amphetamines.

I mean, should amphetamines be legalised? You could say, "No! People have died taking Ecstacy!" - but you could argue because it wasn't prepared properly in a commercial grade laboratory. Where do you stop?

The government's approach (although they deny this) is still arguable HARM minimisation. Problem is that it's always tough to apply because it's tough to understand all the ins and outs of using and abusing drugs. You employ people to sell, so you create jobs, but your users get health issues, do break-ins to fund their habits, etc, etc. There's so many issues, where do you even begin to start?

and yeah I got over being baked 24x7
when you have done it for years and you eventually come out of it, its like you're just opening your eyes for the first time

everything makes more sense

same.

my opnion is stoners can smoke all they want. do it in privacy. when i stopped smoking all the time it happened more easily than i ever imagined.
i used to move heaven and earth to make sure i had at least a quarter or so on hand for a potential dry week.
i cant even remember what it was that made me stop except i decided to remove myself from the deadbeat mates that liked other more needleee drugs.
after that i looked back as one of the best decisions of my life.
it happens to many i think they just come out the other side and realize how unproductive smoking is.

Well you could start by not confusing cannabis with crack.

my opnion is stoners can smoke all they want. do it in privacy.

Yep.

Nobody is saying it's a positive drug, the large majority would be better off not smoking.

Shouldn't be criminal though.

<-- says it's a positive drug

not the smoking part though

definately shouldnt be legal either.

decriminalized possibly. i'm against people getting convictions and massive fines and rarely jail for 'personal use'


grog is legal and i guarantee more kids have been drunk than stoned. if weed was legal it would become the norm for kids to see openly as something thats ok.

if weed was legal it would become the norm for kids to see openly as something thats ok.

It is ok

Frankly to the people who are all full of themselves for quitting - I have to ask whether your decision to start buying it in the first place was ill-conceived. You can't just fall out of love like that. Did any of these decisions also coincide with a new partner, breakup, or radically different haircut? If so, perhaps it was never for you.

last edited by thermite at 16:47:16 15/Jun/09

when was the last time u saw a stoner think about driving a car?

actually i guess i should thank alcohol for helping rid us of idiots 1 crash at a time, yer it's morbid, but you're a retard if you do it.. and a c*** if u kill / hurt someone who's not at fault

i disagree.
it isnt ok.

in moderation it may be. as is grog.

many smokers (myself included years ago) use the grog/weed theory to justify the legalization etc etc.

you need to acknowledge the negative side to the debate as well if you are to use it as a positive.

making in legal will increase the use of weed for kids. this is bad.
therefore decriminalization will still mean it isnt in everyones faces but those who choose to smoke it wont be dragged over the coals if they are caught with it.

personally being bias and a little bit arrogant at least, having smoked weed regularly and now not smoking it by choice gives a person the whole picture. someone who starts smoking a bit when they are young, continues to smoke it indefinately will never see the other side of the argument. it is the norm for them.
you can tell someone who has never smoked it they have NO IDEA what they are talking about. but that is, they have NO EXPERIENCE in what they are talking about. so a full time smoker and one who hasnt seen the other side after weed IMO has NO EXPERIENCE in what they are talking about.

last edited by sleepy at 16:54:29 15/Jun/09

Frankly to the people who are all full of themselves for quitting - I have to ask whether your decision to start buying it in the first place was ill-conceived. You can't just fall out of love like that.

if a person is 'in love' with a drug i'd take that as a red flag.

my choice to stop smoking was timed with ease of availability of the drug. as i said before some of my mates were using other drugs i didnt want to be around. our group of friends all kinda started drifting in different directions. it only took a few weeks when i realized i didnt want the stuff anymore.

ive also said people who want to smoke it can smoke it in privacy. ive also said decriminalization may be the solution. but i will be voting strongly opposed if they want to legalize it.

ive also said people who want to smoke it can smoke it in privacy. ive also said decriminalization may be the solution. but i will be voting strongly opposed if they want to legalize it.

So it's not criminal to smoke it... but it's criminal to sell it or grow it.

Think about it for a second.

making in legal will increase the use of weed for kids. this is bad.

DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Any kid can get cannabis with ease, it's easier to obtain then alcohol.

<-- says it's a positive drug

not the smoking part though

It has its positives and negatives, I would say for most people the negatives outweight the positives.

One thing I know for sure though, the legal consequences cause far more damage then the drug itself, that is the failure.

last edited by CHUB at 17:13:59 15/Jun/09

Are we trying to prove pothead's are stupid ?

infi were you just going to keep posting increasingly antagonistic replies until someone bit? thank god for spook eh mate?

sorry, reload is this a pro-weed only board?

I just found it funny that you had made your point and when it was ignored you said the same thing again and then again. Hang on, you're not stoned are you?

Hang on, you're not stoned are you?

yeah i'm a convert! i'm rolling a big fattie right now (not your mum).

see how much better it is to be positive :)

All drugs should legalized and Taxed.
Anyone that doesnt agree really has no idea what they are talking about.

AFAIK Portugal now has decriminalized drug possession
http://tinyurl.com/dlyfxp

The paper, published by Cato in April, found that in the five years after personal possession was decriminalized, illegal drug use among teens in Portugal declined and rates of new HIV infections caused by sharing of dirty needles dropped, while the number of people seeking treatment for drug addiction more than doubled.
"Judging by every metric, decriminalization in Portugal has been a resounding success," says Glenn Greenwald, an attorney, author and fluent Portuguese speaker, who conducted the research. "It has enabled the Portuguese government to manage and control the drug problem far better than virtually every other Western country does

The War on Drugs is pointless and creates a reason for Crime Groups to exist.
Legalize it Tax it and provide health services that are outside of fears of Criminal Prosecution.
What will Criminal Groups sell then ?


last edited by FaceMan at 17:30:32 15/Jun/09

child prostitutes and weapons?

Decriminalization doesn't address the crime though.

Which is why sleepy's plan to allow people to smoke it, but still illegal to sell or grow doesn't make any sense.

How can it be alright to smoke?... but you're not allowed to grow it? The only response I ever seem to get from this question is "THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!"

/head explodes

gotta love the reformed 24x7 users. my life is so much better now that i'm not stoned 24x7! really?! f*** me, who would've thought.

american laws are strange. in california its legal for medicinal purposes and you can go to certain doctors and theyll prescribe it for anything, sore throat, lung cancer, sore foot, herpes etc, they just need an excuse.

yet federal laws make it illegal. you can be totally legal in the eyes of the state cops, but if the ATF are in town you can get in the s***.... figure that out.

as for making it legal, well, its not allowed to be 'legal' as such because that contravenes the conventions on drug control that every country must sign to join the UN, which was pushed by america in the first place.

but the most well known country in the western hemisphere that has made it 'legal' (cops just turn a blind eye if its done in the 'clubs'), cant you see how the social fabric of Holland has been torn apart by this rampant scourge of marijuana. its out of control

I think the stoners have a point.

I mean the medical doctors, research scientists and all those other professionals probably don't know a thing through the hundreds of thousands of trials and tests they've done to determine if a product is safe or not.

But the stoners, they smoke weed every day and I've never had any issue with interacting with any of them before.

Obama has announced that he's going to stop the federal (DEA) raids on legal growers/dispensaries/users.

It will be up to the states to decide.

He's also looking at decriminalizing the whole of the US, he's not for legalization though.

I think the stoners have a point.

I mean the medical doctors, research scientists and all those other professionals probably don't know a thing through the hundreds of thousands of trials and tests they've done to determine if a product is safe or not.

But the stoners, they smoke weed every day and I've never had any issue with interacting with any of them before.

Look at the research.

All research points to legalization and the top doctors and researchers support this.

The only doctors/researchers still supporting prohibition are directly tied to anti-drug government agencies.

When Nixon got into the whitehouse 30 years ago, he ordered the largest cannabis study ever done, by the top scientists/researchers. What did they conclude and advise? Cannabis use in itself was not a danger to society and should be legalized.

So what did he do?

He created the DEA and increased punishments for cannabis use.

last edited by CHUB at 18:01:09 15/Jun/09

hey when i got done the cop said "do you have a medical certificate" or something like that wtf? anyone?

Just go to Amsterdam, it's cheap!

http://i44.tinypic.com/5aj2hu.jpg

im over the redundant argument about pro/con weed. i got over a long time ago.

So it's not criminal to smoke it... but it's criminal to sell it or grow it

i dont know the law thoroughly but isnt it decriminalized in SA and ACT? well pretty sure about the south aust part anyways. as is my understanding you CAN grow it but not have more than x amount of grams dried ready for smoking.

IMO that would work.

i'm well and truly out of this discussion. i actually havent read much past that comment from CHUB.

it will never happen. legalization that is. this i am satisfied with as the majority will always oppose it.

I did an assignment on this while i was at uni and got decent marks for it.

Basically decriminalise it and instead of paying cops to chase them, put all that cash into rehab. There are a few countries that have done this and got great results.

I think finland or some european country 'recognised drug use as a phase teenagers go through' and dealt with getting them off it rather than punishing them for using it.

last edited by JakeG at 18:16:19 15/Jun/09

i dont know the law thoroughly but isnt it decriminalized in SA and ACT? well pretty sure about the south aust part anyways. as is my understanding you CAN grow it but not have more than x amount of grams dried ready for smoking.

IMO that would work.

Could work, but a single plant can bring in 500 - 2kg worth of product, it would be hard to allow personal growing but put the 28/30/50g limit (most common) on possession. Even the s***tiest plant will give you 100g+ and into the criminal zone.

It seems like you don't want shopfronts, I think this is silly and a wasted opportunity for tax... it's still going to be sold either way.

The dispenaries would be setup like the one in the OP, hidden/no advertising, big ass metal doors, CCTV everywhere. The kids wouldn't be able to get anywhere near these places and at the same time it reduces illegal selling which is where the kids do aquire their cannabis.

hey when i got done the cop said "do you have a medical certificate" or something like that wtf? anyone?

I know someone that is prescribed. Don't know his exact condition but he erratic and unstable as hell - doesn't work because of his position, no way he could hold down a job.

Keeping with the theme, more pics from Cali dude

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e208/zasabiibasaz/sheezy/tehehe.jpg

i dont know the law thoroughly but isnt it decriminalized in SA and ACT? well pretty sure about the south aust part anyways. as is my understanding you CAN grow it but not have more than x amount of grams dried ready for smoking.

The law in ACT is I think it's a max of 2 plants per household for personal use only, for SA it may be different.

I'm all for decriminalization of it but set a law in place so it's not in public (kind of like the 4 meter rule for smoking except have a designated spot where you can spark up) so the non weed smokers dont get passive smoke then get done for DUI.

If it was to be legalized/decriminalized you would need something in place so that the general public is not affected by it's use.

love the strain names....
chemdawg !!!!

The law in ACT is I think it's a max of 2 plants per household for personal use only, for SA it may be different.

I'm all for decriminalization of it but set a law in place so it's not in public (kind of like the 4 meter rule for smoking except have a designated spot where you can spark up) so the non weed smokers dont get passive smoke then get done for DUI.

If it was to be legalized/decriminalized you would need something in place so that the general public is not affected by it's use.

Agreed.

Coffehouses or public smoking is an issue to be dealt with years down the track from decrimalization/legalization.

Keep it private.

I know someone that is prescribed. Don't know his exact condition but he erratic and unstable as hell - doesn't work because of his position, no way he could hold down a job.

I didn't think we had this in QLD. I also don't understand it. I have a f***ed back, by f***ed I mean really f***ed, and I tried a joint when I was a huge amount of pain, all it did was make me focus on it more. It seemed to increase it.

I don't have a problem with it being smoked or made legal. I used to smoke a little bit when I was a teenager with mates at parties and whatnot. Got two fines (BS ones, .03grams = $400~ and a bong a mate left in my car another time = $300~) and decided there's no point doing it.

I have a good friend who smokes it a lot yet got his Honours/masters degree and has held down a job in a lab for a few years working 50+ hours a week. I know a chick who smokes it most nights yet doesn't even have sick days at her work.

If the government really cared about our health though I guess we wouldn't have alcohol, fast cars or cigarettes available everywhere.

I didn't think we had this in QLD. I also don't understand it. I have a f***ed back, by f***ed I mean really f***ed, and I tried a joint when I was a huge amount of pain, all it did was make me focus on it more. It seemed to increase it.

Different strains for different medical conditions.

They specifically breed certain "pain killing" buds overseas, really deep body effects without the mental stimulation.

They got stuff that will put specifically put you to sleep, or to make you munch out like a motherf***er (they give these to cancer/aids patients etc.).

It's an interesting industry.

Hi Syco, did you get a record for your busts? can you please elaborate more on the process you had to go through with the courts and stuff

thanks

PMed Doob.

last edited by CHUB at 19:51:32 15/Jun/09

I hate the fact that we use the term "legalise" when talking about THC. People might find that I'm just quibbling over semantics but I think it completely frames the debate in the wrong way. The government shouldn't be chewing it's lip and deciding whether or not it will allow its governed to do this or do that thing. People that think that's the role of government have simply abdicated their right and responsibility to make their own decisions in life. Of course the government neends to pass laws. Some things need to be illegal. They need to police those laws. But those laws should not be about "protecting" you from your own choices. They should be about protecting you from other people who don't respect your right to enjoy your own lawful life.

I agree, drugs are not black and white in this area. But in every instance it should be the government justifying very soundly why making a substance illegal protects peoples life and liberty. If they can't make that case strongly then it should not be made illegal.

Some substances I feel do meet that criteria -- some of which are drugs. Things like THC? Please. We can't allow it because then our entire country will light up and haze out into overnight economic ruin? Give me a break. To believe that means that you have absolutely zero faith in your country or your countrymen and countrywomen. It means you have aboslutely no confidence in an open and free market (of the workforce -- and everywhere else it makes sense). It means you think you know what's best for everyone else and you implicitly acknowledge that the only good economy is the centrally planned you (by you and your like minded nanny state lovers).

QGL is already a magnet for authoritarian keyboard warriors so that's where I've addressed this issue. The underlying political conversation about this that no one seems to want to have. (There's little point talking about the science when the science is about as clear as you could ever hope for -- and doesn't support the government's current position).

Won't somebody please think of the children!!!

Good response plok.

QGL is already a magnet for authoritarian keyboard warriors so that's where I've addressed this issue.

I thought it was a magnet for stoners actually.

Stoners and computer games go hand in hand.

Would legalizing weed encourage people to become more aware of the negative effects of excessive weed smoking, like severe mental illness?

imo legalise, but allow employers to discriminate against pot smokers.

Hi Syco, did you get a record for your busts? can you please elaborate more on the process you had to go through with the courts and stuff

I was extreaaaaaaamly lucky.

I got done for the .03 grams first while staying at the parents holiday unit in Caloundra but the court date was set about 6 months later. I then got done for the bong around 2 months after the .03 grams but the court date was about a month earlier then for the .03 grams.

So I went to court for the second offence first at the Caboolture courthouse. The Judge said "No previous conviction so I won't be adding a criminal record". I then went to court for the second and the paperwork musn't have met up or something yet as the Judge said the same thing.

Basically I just went in, looked sad for myself, agreed with everything the cop said happened and apologised. Wasn't much to it really, just the pretty large fines for a 18 year old to pay haha (I was an apprentice back then).

no there would be surely be some provision in an International Convention on Human Rights about the rights of addicts.

I remember an anti-discrimination case where a heroin addict was thrown out of a leagues club for shooting up in the bathroom and sued the club for discrimination because the junky's drug addiction was a "disability".

A guy at uni was saying how up in Cairns the laws are a lot more lenient than Brisbane (which is strange because they're both in the same state) regarding cannabis growing for personal use. He was saying that it's not illegal to grow your own for person, something about a max of 5 plants. I thought this was bulls*** and did some googling and came to this article. Which says:

Possession is criminal, but adults may be cautioned. ACT Possession of up to 25 grams, or five plants, is not a criminal offence but carries a $100 fine.

Have I debunked this myself or is there some truth to what the pothead guy is saying?

last edited by greazy at 12:07:14 16/Jun/09

Would legalizing weed encourage people to become more aware of the negative effects of excessive weed smoking, like severe mental illness?

I donno, probably would be just the same as alcohol drinkers being aware of the many diseases that go with alcohol ... and all the domestic abuse.

from smoking pot to a stoner is as drinking is to a piss head/alcoholic - if anyone goes to work drunk or stoned they deserve to lose their job.

oh yea and comparing pot to smack? at least when children step on a roach they dont get teh AIDS

and just to get away from the alcohol debate.. now that brothels are legal where are all the children hookers? all the moronic generalizations in this thread are keeping me well amused tho so keep them coming :)

pot shouldnt be legalized but it should definately be decriminalized.

Stoners don't mow people down in their cars near as much as drink drivers. Stoners don't fight in clubs and pubs and nor do pillers like drinkers do. Booze brings out peoples true personalities and most people are arseholes. All this hate for a plant that means no harm and makes anything on TV interesting to watch.

My stance is usually anti-drugs purely because of the legalities, which I know isn't a great reason at face value. Here is an interesting article I read today:

The BBC World Service broadcast an interesting programme on the effect of Portugal's 2001 policy to decriminalise all illicit drugs, from cannabis to heroin. Far from what you might expect from your local politician, the effect was rather positive. As also recounted in a recent article for Time magazine, drug use has actually dropped.

Link directly to post is not working, so here's the site: http://www.mindhacks.com/ second article down.

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein

There is no point in discussing this topic on QGl because neither side really sees the others as even valid, let alone listens/discusses. Its just both sides talking over eachother. So f*** it...

Instead, please enjoy this novelty photo series depicting a logging crew hard at work on a snowy mountain.

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/8150/weed1n.jpg

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to get the pot card in the US there are forums you can go to which teach you the right things to say to the right docs.. you dont even need a medical condition.. just that your a bit down or something.. the pot card is pretty easy to get..

in NL pot is legal to smoke and alchol is legal to drink at 16.. but theres not some big problem with it.. dutch people grow up with moderation in everything they do.. so you dont see that many really drunk/wasted dutch people around.. if they are its on a special day in a special controlled area.. for example when people go out for a beer.. how many of you have 2 beers then a cup of tea and head home? well thats the crazy s*** they do here.. its not hard to see why they dont have a problem .. amsterdam is a different story.. too many tourists who come here just to smoke pot and f*** prostitutes turns AMS into a sleaze town.. in reality alot of people in NL are hard core christians and dont even like alcohol being advertised anywhere let alone being consumed, and in the end i think its more about culture and upbringing then about the contraband

also if you want to grow weed this is the place to do it.. coffee shops will buy any amount for cash at any time.. a few bloke at my last job were making 3-4k extra a month with a small (5 plants) home grow

Billy, Portugals stance is still anti-drug. It's just instead of sending the users off to jails to become real crims, they treat them like mental patients that aren't a risk to themselves or society. ie. offer support services.

decriminalisation DOES NOT EQUAL legalisation.

So it can be decriminalised, and you can be fined.

imo Lots of things should be decriminalised. After watching docos on jails, to me jails just are university for criminals. It should almost be once you do something f***ed up enough to be sent there you are never coming out.

imo Lots of things should be decriminalised. After watching docos on jails, to me jails just are university for criminals. It should almost be once you do something f***ed up enough to be sent there you are never coming out.

Murder, Rape, Pedophilia etc yes.

Crimes where it's proved to be a complete accident like manslaughter no as it's kinda not your fault if someone jumps out in front of your car and you hit them

Crimes where it's proved to be a complete accident like manslaughter no as it's kinda not your fault if someone jumps out in front of your car and you hit them

1. I doubt you'd get done for manslaughter if someone jumps in front of your car. UNLESS you were doing some other actitivity which contributed eg. DUI, speeding, red light running.
2. So don't send them to jail and treat them like rapists... we can be more inventive with punishments surely.

That said manslaughter is also used for where they suspect murder but can't quite prove the killing was intentional. they might have just meant to put someone in hospital...

since when has cannabis been legal in USA?

before it was made illegal in the 20s.

now state and federal laws over there contradict themselves.

what a f***ed country. it supposedly prides itself on being the shining beacon the world should aspire to.

DEMOCRACY IF YOU LIKE IT OR NOT EVEN IF ITS FASCISM

america f*** YEAH

we can be more inventive with punishments surely.

Water boarding?