Lost has returned for the 5th season, the first 2 episodes aired in the states today.

Just watched both episodes, they were pretty awesome.

You mean the advanced screening was er, delayed.

I hope they have one of those "previously on lost..." things because I forget what happened last season.

Yeah it has the regular "previously on lost" thing. Also there was a 1 hour special before the two episodes with important clips of the previous 4 seasons.

cool! thanks for the heads up. the last season was pretty cool IMHO

i haven't watched it since s2... i should really get back into it..

i got a bit Lost watching Lost last season.....i really need to get some whole seasons and watch it through from about Season 3 i think.....

Just finished watching both eps. Awesome start to the series.

So anyone have any ideas what timezone they were in on the last jump? Looked like WW2 to me but I'm prolly wrong.

oh f*** yea, i am getting pronto.

you want s5e00 if you want the catchup.

I wish i hadn't watched ep2, i was excited at the end of ep1, but blah at the end of ep2.

I thought 01 was the catchup so i watched 02 first! sheee-eet

So anyone have any ideas what timezone they were in on the last jump? Looked like WW2 to me but I'm prolly wrong.

The one where the dudes are wearing the tan coloured outfits? Thats Dharma maens.


Epic start to the season, I hope they can keep it up. I want more on the Daniel/Desmond/Oxford storyline stat.

Who was the lady at the end of ep2 with Ben in the church?

edit:/ nevermind, it was the lady who sold Desmond the engagement ring in one of his time trips and told him he had to go on the plane. http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Ms._Hawking

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The one where the dudes are wearing the tan coloured outfits? Thats Dharma maens

Ah, cool. I saw the rifle and the uniforms and because they looked old school I figured they went back that far. Looks like I was wrong. LOL

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So any ideas as to why Daniel could get Desmond to come out? Did he lie to Sawyer about not being able to change stuff? Or did he have a memory of doing it in the past.

Hard to say... we've already seen Desmond going to Oxford haven't we?

He might have lied to Sawyer because he doesnt' want him to change anything that could affect the future?

Yeah did he do a secret knock or something, wtf! Daniel knows something we do not.

No it was no secret knock.

As Desmond said, you've been knocking for last bloody 20mins.

If Saywer had stayed there and knocked Desmond would have come out eventually like he did.

Yeah you're right, he had to suit up in hazmat.

Will also be interesting to see what Daniel was doing on the island in the 70s bit.

I want more on the Daniel/Desmond/Oxford storyline stat.

word, that is the sickest bit

f***ing loved the first 2 eps, even made my own thread

payce

I want more on the Daniel/Desmond/Oxford storyline stat.

Fixed.

Desmond-only episodes ftw.

Alt_F4:

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I recall Desmond was Daniel's "Constant" or something in his notebook? Or was that to do with Memory loss like the red heads experiencing.

yer desmond is daniels constant

desmond completes daniel. and he also had him at "hello".

(i just hate daniel's whiny bitch face and it continually reminds of the whiny bitch character he played in Saving Private Ryan.)

I can't believe people still watch this.

I can't believe people still watch this.

Let me guess, you haven't seen the prev season and are unaware of the show's comeback?

it never left imo.

some people just prefer shows like heroes, and thats fine.

Some people just prefer shows with some resemblance of a storyline. But that's cool, each to their own.

Some people would prefer that Sparrow stopped posting in this thread, and that's fine too.

Sorry guys...how do you blackout a spoiler? Forgotten.

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lol

You got your greater than and less than signs back to front auz_guy. Less than signs at the front, greater than signs at the back, just flip them around and you've got it.

Spoiler:
for the love of God



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i should add... i was joking. i don't know how to Spoiler:
spoiler

Rename thread to l2spoiler.

In other news, Lost is getting awesome because of all the hours and hours of detail that was slowly revealed through the mind-bendingly boring first few seasons. Only problem is I've forgotten stuff. Like the whole bit about that lady selling Desmond that ring.

ok here goes Spoiler:
If Sawyer kept knocking on the station door Desmond wouldn't have answered. He only answered to Daniel because they are each others 'constant'. Daniel didn't lie to Sawyer about not being able to change the past, technically, he only changed the direction of the future (when Desmond wakes up from his dream/memory). Big spoilers ahead...Do not keep reading if you don't wanna know about Daniel being in the Orchid station in the 70's...he has infiltrated the Dharma along with Jack, Kate, Sawyer and another cast member we all thought was dead. They do this via their time flash warp jumps.

Spoiler:
also I believe that Desmond is looking for Eloise Hawkings (Oracle chick) who gave him the ring (Daniels mother). I think she is Daniels mothers because he named the rat that he sent back in time Eloise. Also in the last ep he is held at gunpoint and marched to the H bomb to disable it. The girl with the gun is named Elli...maybe short for Eloise (his young mother) he did say that she "looks a lot like her".
Finally, I think that maybe in all the time travelling confusion that Desmond and Penny go back to the island and die in the caves (adam and eve) and leave their son Charlie to grow up with Dharma as Charles Widmore (thats right, Penny's eventual father).

If Penny and Desmond hate Widmore so much why the f*** did they name their baby after him?

They actually named him after Charlie (brittish hobbit) who sacrafices himself in the hydra station. He intercepts the call from Penny's boat just before he dies and warns Desmond that the freighter he thinks is Penny's is not actually hers.

lol penny's son becoming her father is just too weird even for lost.

they already established that charles widmore is that guy that ran away from locke in the forrest --- the guy sawyer missed with the rifle (eg the guy he could never hit or kill because widmore is alive in the 'present')

I know it sounds a bit out there, even for Lost, but stranger things have happened.I was just wondering how Widmore got to the Island in the first place. Makes sense that he was left alone on the island as a boy and was found by Dharma/Others. It would explain his hatred of Desmond (Daddy abandoned me). I'm thinking that the Oceanic 6 have left the Island and gone back to a time before the crash. Ben is organizing for them to go back to the island and Jack is dressed up in the SAME suit he wore during the crash. Not similar, but the exact same one. Spooky.
Also I'm 100% sure that the two dead bodies found in the Caves (Adam and Eve) are Desmond and Penny. In Desmonds first time jump (when he meets the Oracle chick and gets the ring) he wakes up in his old apartment lying on the lounge floor with red paint spilt around him. On his coffee table are two stones, black and white. These stones are found amongst the belongings of Adam and Eve in the caves.

How do you remember all these little details? Or have you recently watched the old seasons again?

I'm thinking that the Oceanic 6 have left the Island and gone back to a time before the crash.

this doesnt work because everyone knows they are the survivors from the crash

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Was infatuated at the start of the show and re-watched eps back then. The first sign of a time loop (and not just time travel) was Locke being able to walk. I figured that when they crashed, they were all sent back to a time before he was paralyzed, enabling him to walk again (and for Rose not to have cancer anymore). When they get off the island they are still in that time before Locke gets paralyzed. But like ravn0s says, it doesn't make sense that everyone off the island knows they survived the crash...unless there has always been a previous crash that we don't know about yet.
By the way, the time loop theory makes a previous post of mine make sense now. I posted in another thread back in season 3 or something that when Hurely got his photo taken with his imaginary friend in the mental hospital (and the photo turned out to be just of Hurely with his arm suspended in mid air), that the photo was taken at a different time to when Hurely sat for it. When the photo was being taken the window in the background showed it was lunch time, but the in the actual photograph the window shows it is now night time (and the setting on the table he was sitting at is different). He sat for the photo twice, or it was photo shopped.
Anyway, with only 2 seasons left, we'll know all soon enough.

I don't think the fact that locke can walk again and the black chick has no cancer is nothing to do with time travel, its been shown heaps of times that the island has some kind of super healing voodoo magic going on.

yea I know...there are holes all through my theories. Locke got his legs crushed under the drop down door in the hatch and healed in a few days and got shot by Ben and healed in a day or two. Maybe time moves faster on the island. A 6mth healing process speeds up to days. Then again, some other people have been shot and stayed dead (for now) eg Shannon, Ana-Lucia, most of the Others. Can't wait to see how it all pans out.

The flight the oceanic 6 were known to be from was definitly 815 - they surely would have had records of these people - and Hurley also went back to his family for a bit and there weren't two Hurleys or anything like that.
The only thing I don't get is why nobody is arresting Kate - is she lying about who she is?

they had kates trial etc last season and she was let go.

they cant have left the island and gone back to a time before the crash, that doesn't work, they had like a massive de-briefing with all the news reporters and they made up the whole bs story about the crash


that makes sense how farradays in the orchid station in the 70's, didnt put much thought to that but the time warp theory definitely makes sense. wouldn't all the other workers realise they aren't supposed to be there though?


Why was widmore funding farradays experiments? maybe faraday meets up with widmore later when he is still on the island and convinces him too?

im pretty sure ms hawking will be his mum as well

Why was widmore funding farradays experiments?

Could Widmore be Faraday's father too?

Could Widmore be Faraday's father too?

re read what u just typed

A potential spoiler... Spoiler:
Another epiphany...Remember the episode where Paulo and his girlfriend Niki try to steal the diamonds from each other and by the end of the episode they get bitten by the Medusa spider. The spider renders them paralyzed for about 8 hours. Everyone thinks they are dead and so buries them on the beach just as they are coming to. Well, the name of that ep was "Expose" and sure enough, in Niki's flashback at the start of the ep, you see that she has had a role on the show "Expose".
In the second ep of this season (which is predominately about keeping John Locke safe), Hurley's Dad (Cheech) is sitting down to a sandwich and turns on the tv and "Expose" is on. Well, that made me think of that old ep with the Medusa spider. Maybe, just maybe John Locke is not really dead. He has been purposely bitten by the spider to make him look dead for the benefit of Jack (the doctor). I'm unsure how John Locke being dead would encourage the 6 to go back to the island...it's just a thought ;)

Yeah of course locke isnt really dead.

Well I think it's safe to assume he will rejoin the land of the living at some point. I'm just suggesting an avenue for that.

Spoiler:
holy s***, great ep!!

rosseau identified!

ben was trying to rat out kate to give her no other option than to come back to the island?

sun is gonna try kill ben, for sure

jin isnt dead!!!!! wooooooot

awesome episode, this season f***ing kicks ass


add thoughts

possible theories here
- Ben is Aaron's dad.
- The flashes happen when they're about to cause a paradox by saying or doing something.
- The people in the other boat were the oceanic 6, crashed on Ajira airlines. They shot to cause a paradox and flash the time travelers away.
- Miles the asian time traveler is the little baby from the first scene of the season, the Dharma doctor's baby.

this time travel stuff is crap. the continuity and stories of peoples' pasts was fascinating but this is just tedious and frustrating.

reckon

This is probably one of the worst written series to date. You can just tell the writers are making s*** up on the fly and contradicting themselves by having this time travel s***.

I think it's pretty obvious they've set this up for a long time. Around the start of Season 2 they would have locked this time idea in.

yeah, youre a dumb f*** bats***

- Ben is Aaron's dad.

Umm, didn't we see Aaron's dad in season 1? Wasn't he just some teenager that Claire f***ed?

Lost time travel article

I don't care I'm too busy fappin' to Evegeline Lilley.

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f*** she's got nice earings

^^ how about them apples

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nice fake ctd

looks chopped to me

You can tell just by looking hey.

thermite, you on the money.

mine looks better

Alright guys here's a good one - when something changes in time, like different trees have been wrecked in a plane crash, or a certain person didn't die, or a certain other person died, the effect we see is the black smoke monster making these changes - tearing down trees, stealing corpses, plucking people up and dumping them on the tree canopy, etc....
What Ben did to summon the 'monster' was to change history in a way that the people who were later seen attacked by the monster were meant to be dead - so the monster corrected the situation.

So why did Ben release the smoke thingy to attack those mercs?

the smoke monster appears in tonights ep

So why did Ben release the smoke thingy to attack those mercs?

He didn't 'release' the monster - he somehow sent a message back in time or some s*** to himself to make sure those people are dead. So the smoke monster came out and made those relevant changes.

so are you saying the monster is changing the timeline? i thought it was stated in the show that they cant change what happens/happened in the timeline.

I'm not saying the monster is changing the timeline - but that yes timelines are changed on the show, and this explains why certain dead people are alive. Several characters say you cannot change the timeline. But if you delve into the mythology of the show - you will discover that the DHARMA initiative was established for the purpose of changing the core values of human existence as defined by the Valenzetti equation (the numbers).
I think they have to be able to change things or there is no point to the show.

new ep is out. S05e05. 720p is public, standard hdtv rip not so public yet

There's a smaller version out finally.

Yay!

Black smoke thing was sounding even more mechanical than usual tonight, lots of clanking and grinding and creaking. Seriously, what the f*** is that thing.

lol i have no idea. however the french guy said it was a security system that was protecting the temple

Thought it was interesting at the end of the ep where Desmond and Ben are in the same scene as each other. I don't think this has ever happened. Ben has never mentioned he knew about a guy in the hatch and when the Losties came to the second island on Desmonds boat, Ben was all shocked about it, saying to Beardy (Tom) "Where did they get a boat". If he was paying attention to any of those monitors he has he would have noticed Desmond in the hatch over the 3 yr period he was down there. But, alas, he was never mentioned by Ben (even when Ben was a prisoner in the hatch). Spoiler:
the producers have said that the smoke IS from the future and is NOT nanotech

BTW Do you remember the very first time we saw the Others? It was in season 2 I think and Jin and a few other Losties where going through the jungle and they ducked behind some low lying branches when they heard some voices coming. From their vantage point all they could see was a group of legs walking by just beyond the branches concealing them. In that scene we saw that a child was with them carrying a teddy bear. I basically assumed it was one of the children that were kidnapped from the tail end survivor camp. But on closer scrutiny, I believe the teddy bear looks alot like the one Aaron is carrying around with him now. Maybe the Oceanic Six made their debut as the 'Oceanic Six' back in season 2. Meaning, for all the people screaming "continuity error, continuity error!", that the writers have had their s*** together from day dot. So there.

Ben didn't look that surprised when he saw Desmond. It was almost like he knew he was gonna turn up at some point.

Yeah, it looked like Ben was expecting Desmond to show up as part of the "lets go back to the island" group. If anything, he only looked suprised when Desmond told him he was just there looking for Faraday's mum, so I'm guessing he didn't know magic island-sending lady was Faraday's mum.

On the theory of Widmore being Desmond and Penny's child... wasn't he against Penny marrying Des in the first place? (its been so long I can't remember)

If he knew he was their offspring prevent them having a child would have ceased his existence. Not something you'd really want to do...

my theory about faradays mum (eloise hawking), is that shes ellie the "other" girl from episode 4. she knows how to get to the island because she been there before.

is this show still goin :/

No. We're just keeping the spirit alive by talking about outrageous and convoluted story lines. Keeping in the Lost tradition.

Yea you's are right, Ben didn't look the least bit surprised at Desmond being there. But I maintain that neither have mentioned the other throughout the show. Even when Ben told Jack that they all had to go back to the island he didn't mention Desmond (but he wasn't part of the 815 survivors anyways).
On Widmore being the kid of Penny and Desmond, you are right that he tried stopping them from getting married, however, he might have counted on the "can't change the past/fate thing" and his disapproval may have directed their paths in one way or another. Spoiler:
Definitely, Ellie = Eloise Hawkings = Faraday's mum

my theory about faradays mum (eloise hawking), is that shes ellie the "other" girl from episode 4. she knows how to get to the island because she been there before.

This is more than a theory I think - she has the same unusual hairstyle, similar accent, and very similar name.

And yes I also don't think Ben knew Eloise had a son, and I wonder whether he thinks it may be Widmore's son? Another person to f*** with?

plots with timeloops are s***
like when jin went back in time and pretty much created danielle rousseau..
didn't that dick head faraday say doing this would be impossible

how f***ing stupid is he???

and i bet you that bitch charlotte comes back to life

this show can go eat a dick

i'm only watching it so i can f***ing tell you how s*** it is.. cause someones f***ign got to

like when jin went back in time and pretty much created danielle rousseau

He didn't change jack s***, it still all happened the way its always been told.

like when jin went back in time and pretty much created danielle rousseau..

I suppose the plot is far less enjoyed when you don't comprehend it!

f*** it, i'm drunk

my point is they've started with this whole timeloop bulls*** which is a f***ing wank

Well at least it's better than season 2 and 3. God damn they sucked hard.

i wonder if locke turning the wheel has stopped all the time jumps or if the time jumps will continue until jack etc get back onto the island.

at first the time jumps seemed random but now it is starting to make sense.

Sense in what way? They still seem random at times, like when there was a few in a really short span yet they didn't say/do anything out of the ordinary.

it's like the time jumps are happening with some sort of intention to make the future what it is intended to be.

Something else in that ep...I don't know if it's just another of the shows 'red herrings' but Charlotte mentioned, just before she died, that she "love(s) that band Geronimo Jackson". Early in the series, Hurely and Charlie go through the records in the hatch and come across a record of said band. Also, in a John Locke flashback (the one where he is living on a pot farm), there is an undercover cop that is trying to exploit John in the hope he can bring down the pot farmers...well, he was wearing a Geronimo Jackson T-shirt. Prolly nothing in it...but it is what makes the show fun. Finding little things that the producers have put in there to maybe throw you off track.
Another of these funny little things was in the very first flashback of Kates'. The producers alluded to the old TV series 'The Fugitive'. Kate, being the fugitive, was staying with an Aussie farmer who happened to have a prosthetic arm (the one armed man).
I think that even if this show has a s*** ending, it has given enough entertainment for me to be satisfied.

I think you can be pretty sure that given the amount of planning in this show, the ending should be pretty epic.

Yea I'm kinda hoping for a big one. But as we get closer to the end, more and more secrets will be revealed and we'll be ever closer to the answers...prolly won't impact us as much as the people who watch it on tv and maybe miss a few eps here and there.

man, this show f***ing rocks my world. i love the sci fi, i love the thriller aspect of it.. i love all the bs plot twists.. its so good on so many levels. you can get completely obsessed with the detail like what auz guy is talking about, or just follow the general story line and it is f***ing gripping!!!

by far the best thing on tv iv ever watched. i cannot wait for the ending, i hope it completely blows your brains away

so now the main question that still bugs me is where the f*** do the numbers tie in!!!! why were they on the side of the hatch, everything to do with them.

i also really like the theory that smokey is sort of a correction tool from the future stuck on the island. if there is someone alive on the island from the future that has died in another timeline, smokey kills them because they shouldnt be there. am i on the right track there? i have been reading that some ppl think that the time travel doesnt actually create new time lines? help?

so hes from the future and is what some new discovery in science? how far in the future is he from? 100 - 200 yrs? 100000 yrs?

faraday meeting his mum as a girl is a total trip out as well

the smokey monster is also not a fan of drink drivers.

The producers have said that we may never find out about the numbers....which is f***ing bulls***, considering the whole show is practically based on them. On the side of the hatch, on the sports jersey's the girls were wearing at the airport when Hurely ran past them trying to catch 815. They were on the police cars in the parking lot when Ana-Lucia was talking to her Mum on the roof of the police station. They appeared on the seats of the survivors onboard 815. Then there's Hurleys lotto ticket.

I think you can be pretty sure that given the amount of planning in this show, the ending should be pretty epic.

No doubt. With all the time loops and causality BS I'm left wondering whether the show will "end" in the future or in the past...

The one thing I want more than anything else though is that the producers will stick to their previous assertion that they won't use the 'it was all a dream' escape clause.

lol no way in gods name would they use it was all a dream, i will hunt them down and execute them if they do

another question : how did charlotte know where the well was? who is her mother?

Charlotte would have known about the well because she lived on the island when she was a little girl. Maybe she is Annie, Ben's little girlfriend he had on the island when he was first brought there. He and Annie made a pair of little wooden statues and kept one each. Since the ep that they introduced her, she has made no more appearances and it's not explained whether or not she died in the purge.

Libby is an enigma. She 'randomly' met Desmond in the diner and said that she could offer him a boat for free (who does that?), because her husband, who died, was a philanthropist and a filthy rich one at that. We know that Widmore is a filthy rich philanthropist and we know that Ben is filthy rich (cos the Asian dude tried extorting millions from him). I'm wondering if her husband is really dead or just thought to be dead...and could it be either of these 2?
P.S. She looks a wee bit like Charlotte.
P.P.S. What's the deal with her in the mental institute with DeepDish?

I don't think Charlotte is Annie, due to the apparent age difference between Charlotte and Ben.

Can anyone make any sense of the latest episode? Have they been transported into the future?

The bit at the end with Jin, is the part I was telling yous about before...with Daniel, Jin, Sawyer and co infiltrating Dharma. So, if Dharma was around in the 70's...then the oceanic six have been transported to the past.

I think.

I like how Hurley just appears at the airport giving no explanation as to how he got outta jail.

yer im sure it will be explained though.

Ben's lawyer (Mr. Norton) told Ben that they didn't have a case against Hurley. The dead guy outside Santa Rosa hospital was found dead before Hurley escaped. He then told Ben that the preliminary hearing would be the following morning and that the judge would basically throw the case out making Hurley a free man.

I like how Hurley just appears at the airport giving no explanation as to how he got outta jail.

Pretty sure the next episode will deal with how the other guys got on the plane... that or the return of flashbacks ugh.

next ep is about what happened to locke after turning the wheel. i guess it could have flashbacks/forwards to the others getting on the plane.

Sayid getting caught or turning himself in might have had something to do with Hurley's release too.

i think hurley might have had one of his "visions" of charlie or someone else who told him what to do.

If they had sayid on the hook for that murder outside hurleys nuthouse, there would be no way for him to be on that plane.
Hopefully their unexpected arrivals (well you knew theyd be there) don't turn out to just be "Ben did it".

i like how suddenly people want lost to make immediate sense

crap, boring episode...

http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/Lost+Titles/

what nf said

Hurely didn't get out of lock up through any magical means or any outside forced help. What I said about Ben's lawyer isn't a theory, it was in ep 4. He told Ben that the judge would let him go free.

I want to know what Kate did with Aaron.

options ?

- Given to Ben or his lawer
- Given to ghost Claire
- Given to Widmore
- Left it with someone from Sawyer's flashbacks
- Left it with someone else from her own flashbacks
- Given to Claire's mum.
- Sent to Korea to live with Ji Yeon and Sun's mum.
- She ate him


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I reckon given to claire's mum, since shes conviniently already in the same city. But I'm more interested in finding out what caused her to flip 180 degrees from "f*** you guys, I never want to see any of you ever again, screw your stupid island s***" to "Ok, I'm here, I'm ready, lets f***, then go to the island"

Yea...got a feeling Aaron is with Sawyers' ex and his kid, Cassidy and Clemintine. Although, Kate did seem pretty f***ing distraught about what she had done with him...might be right about eating him too.

o m f g

WHAT AN EPIC episode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ben is a f***ing bastard after all!!!! so is widmore good now? what is the war coming? the purge?

f*** ben!!

It was nice to have an episode that actually made sense (IE not too much complex s*** going on).

ben is a f***ing bastard after all!!!!

Did you ever doubt it with the amount of times he gets caught out in a lie?
I'm surprised everyone continues to trust him when it's obvious he's not trustworthy.

What the f*** does Locke ending up in a desert have to do with the Island.

I liked the simple mystic storyline of the Island. All this s*** is getting whacky.

What the f*** does Locke ending up in a desert have to do with the Island.

like whidmore said, its the exit. ben appeared there too when he turned the wheel.


as for ben i have two theories. either he wanted locke dead so he could go back and be the leader again. or he knew that for everything to work out locke had to die but he couldnt kill himself. like locke said, to die isnt a choice.

yeah that is what i was thinking and reading too ravn0s.

the way ben said "bye locke ill miss you" after he killed him made me think he didnt give a f*** though

also now the 06 are stuck in like the 70s or whatever with dharma, and locke ben and the arab dude are in 2007? wtf is gonna happen now ? <3 lost

the way ben said "bye locke ill miss you" after he killed him made me think he didnt give a f*** though

i think he genuinely meant it since there was really no other reason for him to say it.

Spoiler:
I guess the interesting bit was how Ben decided to kill Locke only when he revealed that he knew about Eloise Hawking. You would think this meant Ben thought she was dangerous or something like that, but that wouldn't make sense since he met with her in the previous episode. Anyone else have theories on why Locke knowing about Eloise is what made Ben kill him?

Yeah Ben is such a c***! I had a picture of him stuck up in my office, today I tore it down, what a f***head.
He obviously just killed Locke once he found out Eloise Hawking had the knowledge to get back, and he knew Locke's plan to kill himself would indeed work - but he couldn't let him die until Ben knew enough to take over the whole operation!
It was clear in the last few episodes where Ben was still on the Island that the Others think he is a f***wit too, and were only tolerating him until he left.

If Widmore is not a bad guy, then why did Christian tell Locke to move the island? I guess you could make up any reason for that, and they probably will. But I think Widmore is a bad guy - he would have been the one to order the Others to purge Dharma.

Just on a side note, is anyone else starting to find the show a bit tedious? I mean i don't mind watching it - usually it provides a moderate amount of entertainment. While having an air of mystery about the plot is usually a good thing for a TV show, I'm just finding that most of the time there is too much s*** going on to be able to understand and thus enjoy the show a bit more.

No because I watch each episode several times and talk about it on the internet.

I wonna see what s*** happens with jacks dad :O

Yes ben is indeed a c***. Once Locke mentioned Eloise Hawkins that confirmed the way to get back. Ben knows Locke would be the leader back on the island. HOWEVER as you all know, ben has been 'looking' after Locke in the coffin. If Ben doesn't want Locke around (dead or alive) but he had to show Jack to convince him to come back to the island and then the others would follow. Once Jack was convinced, why didn't Ben dispose of Locke's body? Ben knows Locke would be a threat to him back on the Island. Or doesn't Ben know Locke resurrects from the dead?


Also, where did the mexican dude and others come from. They weren't on the plane when it took off. And now they're on the island, are they at another bunker we havne't seen? Why did hurley jack and kate 'disappear' with the flash of light and others crashed on island including pilot who took the planes log book.

Yeah rrocket they were, The mexican dude was at the airport checkout and said "sorry for your loss" or something to that effect. They were on the plain and have since asked questions about what they saw while they were on the plane.

Also you know who the pilot was yeah?

ahhhhh yeah he was too!! I remember him at the airport now. But didn't see him on the plane. The plane wasn't that big.


YEah I remember the pilot. He's the chopper dude.

So when do we get another dose of Desmond? Desmond ftw

why didn't Ben dispose of Locke's body?

they had to try and make everything exactly the same as the original plane crash. lockes body took the place of jacks dad.

The plane wasn't that big.

Yeah, it was big enough, the part all the oceanic six were in was just first class or business class or something, theres a bit where you see the hostess pull back a curtain into the rest of the plane and theres a lot of people in the rest of the plane.

Also, do you reckon the people who chased sawyer and faraday and miles and all those guys in the canoe and shot at them, was actually the mexican guy and his peeps?

Also, do you reckon the people who chased sawyer and faraday and miles and all those guys in the canoe and shot at them, was actually the mexican guy and his peeps?

thats what it looks like

yeah i reckon the mexican and them are the others.

This episode needed more flying engine parts like the pilot episode. What's a plane crash without flying engine parts?!

Also, do you reckon the people who chased sawyer and faraday and miles and all those guys in the canoe and shot at them, was actually the mexican guy and his peeps?

yeah, but then they got flashed into to 70's where they meet jin . so how the f*** are they gonna re-correct the time f***ups

desmond !!

Richard Alpert is the player here. Seems both Ben and Charles are working with/for him.
Spoiler:
Producers have revealed that the last ep will have quite a bit of focus on 'Adam and Eve' (dead bodies found in the caves). They have left this til the last ep so as to prove that they have had a plan for the show all along. Just a theory here but 'Adam and Eve' = Desmond and Penny

^ yeah i did a bit of reading on the adam and eve stuff as well

reading that charles widmore is their son

auz guy tell me some stuff about richard alpert that i probably wouldn't know!!

Not a huge revelation here, but I think Richard Alpert's age has nothing to do with time traveling. I got the feeling he's been around for ages, like he could be 2 hundred consecutive years old. Maybe he was one of the original builders of that giant foot statue. Somehow he got to whatever age he is now, and then just stopped aging. I don't think the island helps him either, because Danielle aged (horribly).

i was reading some s*** that richard alpert, alvar hanso, jacob, all these widmore ppl and others were the first ppl on the island in the black rock, obviously just a theory but interesting

also auz_guy, i got a question for you!

what the f*** is up with the episode (cant remember , in s4 though) when jin is racing around buying a teddybear and you see sun in a different time line in labour in the hospital?

when is jin there?

hes was in the past before they were on the island. he was working for suns father at the time

Wtf is this foot statue everyones talking about...

I've watched all the eps but I honestly cannot remember it.

It was way back in like the second or third season, where sayid and some other people took desmond's boat, planning to sail around the island to where the others were, and they sailed past a big three toed foot from what would have once been a huge statue (well, based on the size of the foot anyway).

Ah yes I do remember that now.

Thats the problem with referring to something so old... I can barely remember half the s*** from the early seasons.

i was reading some s*** that richard alpert, alvar hanso, jacob, all these widmore ppl and others were the first ppl on the island in the black rock, obviously just a theory but interesting

I think it's very likely. Hanso definitly, and I don't doubt the Widmores have a history that goes back further than Charles. Richard and Jacob being from the Black Rock never occurred to me, but it makes sense they have fairly modern names they can't have been there forever.

Maybe they have modern names now, because they're living in modern times and interacting with modern people. Who knows if Richard is even his real name, or what role he played before he was "Richard". Obviously the island was inhabited by natives of some kind at some point in the past, because of all the ruins and when the guys were flashing through time they got attacked by crazy fire arrow shooting natives. I've been wondering if maybe Richard was of them, like a "keeper" of the island.

ravn0s so youre saying the 2 scenes cutting back and forwards between each other have no real relevance?

its just showing a flashback of jin , and sun in present

that is retarded and massively confusing

auz_guy

where do you get your info

wwhat websites do u read? i only read the official abc forum but im sure there is better ones out there

post ur websites up! wtb as much information as i can. totally totally obsessed

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Official_Lost_Podcast is good

ravn0s so youre saying the 2 scenes cutting back and forwards between each other have no real relevance?

its just showing a flashback of jin , and sun in present

that is retarded and massively confusing

the episode revealed that jin wasnt present at the birth of his own daughter. it was to make you wonder if jin was dead or just didnt make it off the island.

Yeah that Jin with the teddybear episode was retarded. It is apparently a form of storytelling to do it like that - for example where you see someone hiding, and then someone approaching the hiding spot, then you see the person hiding again, and then another shot of the person approaching - they do this a few times only to reveal that the two people were no where near each other. It is simply the storyteller LYING in my opinion and deliberately trying to confuse the audience.

yeah thermite i thought i was silly for not understanding it, that was one epi i never got my head around

i thought itwas some silent hill paralell dimension bulls*** haha

bleh average ep

4 toed statue!!

bleh average ep

what?? i thought it was pretty cool how sawyer and co became part of dharma

4 toed statue!!

yer nice tease there. looked sort of egyptian-y from behind.

it was cool seeing how they are now dharma it was sad to see faraday has lost his marbles cause he realises theyre stuck in some f***ed up time

where was faraday when the rest of them joined dharma? i was really expecting it to be like 5years+ (ages) before locke brings everyone back.

it was an average ep because it didnt explain stuff!!! they are the episodes i crave, closure.

next episode should be a f***in cracker though with ben linus and locke hopefully

existence owns

where was faraday when the rest of them joined dharma?

im guessing hes working on the orchid like at the beginning of the first episode.

Yeah it was an average ep despite the fact that the losties are now working for Dharma in the 70s. The bit where Sawyer confronts Richard was interesting. Now we have to sit through the uncomfortable love triangle of Sawyer... again.

Watching this show has become a chore. It's turned wackier than a Japanese game show.

It's better than all the other s***...

Heroes... gone emo
Terminator... went emo long ago

For me the only other drama/action shows worth watching atm are Life and Fringe

The statue is of an Egyptian god.
Richard is an ancient egyptian.


http://www.nilecommerce.net/images/statues/colored/sekhmet-cremeL.jpg

Sekhmet has some relevance to Lost:

She can be construed as being a divine arbiter of Ma'at (Justice, or Order)


One of the items young Locke was asked to choose from was a book of laws.

It was Sekhmet who was seen as the Avenger of Wrongs


Smoke monster goes after people like that...

Seen as a special goddess for women, ruling over menstruation.


Fertility problems on the island?

Sekhmet became identified in some later cults as a daughter of the new sun god, Ra, when his cult merged with and supplanted the worship of Horus


Sounds awfully similar to what Ben and Richard did to the Dharma.

Sekhmet was believed to protect the pharaoh in battle, stalking the land, and destroying the pharaoh's enemies with arrows of fire


Beach attack, flaming arrows.

Sekhmet also was seen as a bringer of disease as well as the provider of cures to such ills.


Ben develops tumors, Rose's cancer goes away...

I only just worked this out but back in Season 2 when the Others made a 'list' of people for Michael to bring including Sawyer, Jack, Jin, Kate, Hurley - I think they're all people who were around back in the 70s, and that's why the Others were interested in 'testing' them and s***.

The statue is of an Egyptian god.
Richard is an ancient egyptian.

I like it, explains the eye makeup tattoed on. lol.

Im glad that f***** scientist and that redheaded c*** died. Giving me the s***s.

Yes, it's called Prison Break. And is a substitute for real suspense and quality writing. Which is why I stopped watching that s***.

It's also used often in Amazing Race to make you think the race is close, it falls apart when 2nd to last is hunting for the finish line at sunset and last place is running around in the pitch black.

There will probably be nothing made of this but it seems as though Lost and Half Life 2 reference each other?

I watched Lost last night and was just completely confused. This show is all over the place now.

What's so difficult, Jin ran away from the crazy french woman, they were looking for the orchid, which later turned into a well. Off the island the story is about Ben convincing the group to go back to the island.
Oh yeah and everytime there is a flash it's a different point in time. You don't really need to keep track of that unless they make it obvious when you need to know when it is.

So the people who made Half-Life 2 are fans of Lost, and the people who write lost are fans of games, doesn't mean theres any relation. They've referenced games a few times in the show, and its written by comic book writers so you'd have to expect they're pretty geeky guys :)

Also, the guy that made that video is on crack if he thinks the Gman and Richard Alpert look the same, they really don't.

f***s sake

they make us wait 2 weeks for the garbage filler ep

that frustrates me

why do they make out like HAVE THE BIG CLIFFHANGER i was expecting after a 2 week wait into "oh lets re-introduce another character youv already met and ALREADY seen as a kid that age into the show and hope they froth over it"

piss weak. although maybe sayid initiates the purge?

but yeah totally bummed. wtb LOCKE + FARADAY + WIDMORE s*** that is 10000000000000000000000000000000000x better


f*** dharma, hurry up and get purged u fgts

i hope the purge happens, then they join with the others and richard fixes the time line!

and LOL owned ben, fgt



edit ok it wasnt a filler really the story progressed.. just... maybe i just dont give a f*** about that side of the story and what happened (coz we already know what happens) bring on TIME TRAVEL AND THE NUMBERS AND MOVING f***ING ISLANDS AND THE WHEEL AND WHERES FARADAY GONE


lost turns me into an emotional wreck

2nd edit DAMN i swear way too much

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its just a tv show dude. its not a doco like 24 or anything.

Hey been off for a while...but...existence...that ep you were wondering about with Sun and Jin, well, Sun was giving birth in the 3 year span since she left the island (Sun assumes Jin is dead during her labour)and like ravn0s said, Jin was buying the Teddy Bear while he was working for Sun's father, before he got to the island.
Did some close ups of the statue...looks like it has pointy ears (egyptians love the cat theme). Looks kinda female. Not sure about the dress. Looks too "ass hugging" to be a toga...it looks sorta modern. Also the statue is holding what looks to be handles of a bag of some sort. Statue is looking out to sea. I wonder what the purpose of it was eg. A warning to sailors/explorers or maybe a vigil to a native, or maybe the statue is a symbolic thing. A traveler lost on an island looking for their way home.
Widmore does have a close affinity to the Black Rock ship. He sold the Black Rock diary in an auction in London for a high price in like season 3 or something. How he came to be in possession of it is a mystery so far.

Faraday was with them up until Richards appearance in the Dhamra camp. Our Losties were ushered in to a cabin and Faraday was last seen looking out the window at Richard. Next ep or two, Sawyer reveals that Faraday is "no longer with us". Not sure if he means not with us/mental or not with us/physically gone...I have a theory...potential spoiler ahead...my money is on Faraday being physically gone. I think he has taken a ride on the submerine back tot he mainland. When he gets there he goes back to Oxford and begins his Time Travel studies at the Uni - FOR THE FIRST TIME - as in, he only ever got into time travel because of his experiences on the island and he only ever went to the island because of his uni studies on time travel. I believe that everything that has happened, is happening and is going to happen on the island has happened because of our Losties. I think every move they make is creating s*** that we've already seen. Faraday will have to come back to the island as we have seen him in the orchid tunnel discovering the 'donkey wheel'. I think when they turn that wheel an event will happen that ties in with s*** we've seen in earlier seasons. It may even bring about the appearance of the Black Rock ship.
Also, I believe that Sun, Lapedis (chopper pilot) and Ben are in the future (as in when the plane went down and Jack Kate etc went to the 70's, I think Sun etc went further into the future. When they figure out a way back to Jin Jack kate etc, I think they will inadvertently bring the 'futuristic' black smoke back with them. I'm just gonna hit 'post reply' now without checking what I've written, so sue me if I've made mistakes.

good idea on faraday.

yeah ben locke etc are in the present (when plane crashed). sun cant be further into the future shes with ben and lapedis!

last 3 episodes have been utter garbage, f*** off dharma seriously

i also think amy is some kind of traitor.. she seems sus for my liking

hopfully next ep will get back to time travel

Sorry I meant Sun, Lapedis, Ben and Locke have all traveled into the future somewhat. The room that Christian Sheppard took Sun and Lapedis into to show her the photo of Jin and the crew, well it looked really f***ed, like it had been trashed years ago. Like years and years ago. If you look at the time line from when the Losties left the island to when they returned, it has been 3 years. I'm not sure if it can be proven but that room they were in looked to have been deserted way more than 3 years ago (Ben and the 'Others' were living in 'Dharmaville' up until the end of season 3ish so that room would have been lived in or used up until that point).
By the way, Hurley has issues with photos. Prolly nothing, but you prolly remember me going on about Hurley's invisible friend Dave and how the photo of them was deliberately changed. Well in the photo that Sun looks at of Jin and crew, Hurley is facing the camera as he should, but when you see the photo being taken in 1977, his head is turned and he is unnecessarily talking to Kate while the shutter sound is heard and the photo is taken. Could be a continuity error, but I like to think that the producers have hired the best editors in town.

Do you guys watch the sneak peaks before the ep?
Today's ep:
http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2009/03/episode-5x11-three-sneak-peeks.html

This better not be 40 minutes of Dr Shephard having an emotional dilemma about whether to save Ben or not, having a flashback to when he operated on a rapist, and then in the end he decides to do the surgery. I'm hoping Ben will be saved by the others, not Jack.

Could be a continuity error, but I like to think that the producers have hired the best editors in town.

As an editor myself just want to point out that no matter how awesome I am, if the actor was looking the wrong f***ing way, nothing I can do!

if this episode is all about dharma in the 70s i am going to seriously slit my f***ing wrists

Good point Thermite...you still get paid at the end of the day.

Awesome episode.

I'd like to discuss the significance of Spoiler:
the Ben / Richard interaction. Richard knew who Ben was. Its extremely hard to explain the "changing the future" idea. My guess is that when Richard talked about "losing his innocence" etc. They realised that despite everything they had done, Ben would turn out exactly the same as he has. Whether that be because Kate and Sawyer ALWAYS HAD taken him to the others, or that no matter what they do, things always turn out the same way.


Spoiler:
There was also something significant about the building Richard took Ben into. I'm not sure what it was, but does anyone have an idea?

Richard knows who Ben is because Richard promised to recruit him. Richard doesn't know about the future.
And the building was the temple, which seems important to the others, that's where Ben told them to go before he moved the island, I think that's where teh Smoke monster hangs out. My guess is this is where the 70's Lost people will hide to survive the Dharma purge and live the rest of their lives in hiding.

Ben and the 'Others' were living in 'Dharmaville' up until the end of season 3ish so that room would have been lived in or used up until that point

Yeah, but when the army guys came for ben, they blew s*** up and f***ed s*** up, and then he summmoned the black smoke and it ripped through the village, I just assumed the wrecked condition of the buildings was due to all that?

Damn cool ep except for the chick trying to play an Aussie. WTF was up with her accent?

LOL

Was she supposed to be aussie? Wow, I thought she was trying to be South African, that was a truly horrible australian accent.

Well, its Claire's mother. So you would assume she was Australian. Claire's accent was f***ing annoying as well.

Haha, it sounded South African to me as well.

Haha her accent was ridiculous! Claire's was normal and fine seeing as the actress is Australian.

the whole timeline thing has got me f***ed

ppl are saying whatever happened happened

so the s*** were seeing in 1977 ie jack kate hurley living with the dharma ppl has already happened.

so what lead them to 1977 in the first place? what was the lead up to them somehow arriving on the island in 1977? that is what i do not understand.


that seems to be the general acceptance im getting from a couple of lost boards i read

the way i saw the ep esp the miles/hurley discussions was that these events actually happened before, but they weren't there, they are in the plcae of other ppl and they are doing the things to cause the same outcomes that other ppl had caused

the line that makes me think that is when miles says

"the conversation alrady happened. but not for you and me. for you and me , its happening right now"

but they weren't there, they are in the plcae of other ppl

No.

No, they were there, they were always there, its just for them it hadn't happened yet, and now its happening. Their own personal timelines, don't go straight anymore, they're all loopy.

The problem most people have understanding the timeline stuff is not understanding that it's a continuous loop that didn't need to be 'started' a normal non-time-travel way, the time travellers from the 2004 'future' was always a factor.
However the characters on the show clearly have disagreements about this just as the fans on lost forums do, and ultimately it may be part of the plot that they did in fact change something?

Hurley predicted back in Season 1 that they travelled in time - it was just a joke at the time, but I think this guy's ideas are worth thinking about no matter how crazy they sound.


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However the characters on the show clearly have disagreements about this just as the fans on lost forums do,

That little hurley bit was obviously aimed at the fans who were voicing the same stupid s*** hurley was.

I completely forgot about that building being pwned by Smokey. I'm on the same track of thought as Khel and Thermite with the time travel theories. Richard talking about Ben's loss of innocence I think is referring to him gaining knowledge. Perhaps knowledge of the future...that would explain why he seems so ruthless but at the same time he maintains that he's a "good guy" - you know, doing some bad s*** for the greater good. ok got another theory, I hope I get this f***ing spoiler thing right... Spoiler:
testing

and they likely had the same basic shape as him too.

Spoiler:
The next episode title is "Dead Is Dead". Having said that, I think that Ben is dead, or will die in the temple. When I say dead, I mean, as dead as Christian Sheppard. And I think he has always been dead, like from the point that Sayid shot him to when the Losties landed on the Island, up until whenever....he's dead. (By the way the bullet wound struck him left off center of his heart and changed sides when Sawyer handed him to Richard - those damn editors)
I'm also thinking that Locke might be the living dead too. Note: Locke said to Ben when he woke up at the end of last ep "Welcome back to the land of living" I think that was a pun.
When Eko was killed by Smokey, Yemi (his brother) appeared to him and told him to confess. Eko says he won't confess, smokey then kills him. In all vision that Eko had of his brother previously to this ep, Yemi appeared fresh as a daisy, but in his final moments his brother looked quite dead, but animated (he still wore the decaying clothes that were found on him in the plane wreck)....maybe smokey animates these living dead people.

Read on for Actual SPOILER...

Last ep of this season will introduce a new character. If you watch DEXTER, you'll prolly know Rita's ex husband Paul (the junkie that Dexter f***ed over).
Well, that actor (Mark Pellegrino) will star in the centric episode about JACOB. Woot! Finally.

The dead people being brought back to life definitly seems like something we'll be finding out about soon. I reckon that ties into the egyptian stuff too probably.

Quite a few Egyptian references...to recap a few...big stone statue that appears to be goddess Sekhmet. Sayid visits Hurely at Santa Rosa and Hurley is drawing a picture of a shpinx (tomb guardian for Sekhmet). Walt says that he isn't interested in studying Australian birds and says "shouldn't we be studying birds of Egypt or something?". The Hieroglyphs on the countdown timer in the pearl (translates to "die" or "underworld") on the donkey wheel (translates to "travel") on the temple (translates to "time" or "vicinity") on the temple column (translates to "resurrection")...this one made me lol...on the boarding pass of Ajira Airlines the Hieroglyphs appear in the corners. They are same symbols used on the countdown timer.
There are loads more...check it out if ya like http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Hieroglyphs This site, as mentioned by existence in an earlier post, is a good source for Lost info. But because the producers of the show regularly get on the site, I think they throw a few red herrings in the mix to f*** your mind.

, I think they throw a few red herrings in the mix to f*** your mind.

Throwing in a bunch of random s*** amongst an even bigger bunch of random s*** doesnt make red herrings, it just makes a lot of random s*** that the writers will assign meaning to sometime in the future and all the fanboys will go "woah they totally set that up in season 1 with that sign you could see for 2 frames in jacks flashback"

There are 23 episodes left until the end...they have a lot of explaining to do if they're gonna cover everything that has happened. So maybe I used 'red herring' out of context. Red Herring is a deliberate attempt to change the subject. I don't mean that they are throwing in s*** with no relevance. I'm just saying you need to sift through all the info they throw at you and decide which parts are integral to the story. For instance, will they ever go back and reveal who the woman was in the x-ray that Juliette was looking at (the 70 year old pregnant woman with the 20 year old womb). Another instance of a mind f*** is when Locke is talking to Walt in the real world and the same woman in the background keeps walking past them, like four times. And when Hurley's driving and gets pulled over by Ana Lucia and in the background, directly behind his car, a building disappears from one scene to the next. Miles is doing his ghostbuster thing in the house Walt lived in and when he comes back downstairs all the photos and frames on the wall have changed from old to modern. The undercover cop at the pot farm where Locke was living wore a Geronimo Jackson T-shirt and Hurley and Charlie find a record of theirs in the Pearl Station. I'm not saying these things aren't relevant, but are they integral? Or are they in place to bombard us with info overload, so we can't pinpoint the end game?

The Frenchys said that the smoke was the guardian of the temple, ergo not a supernatural force. Also I don't think Ben is dead cause Christian Sheppard is only seen by certain people at critical moments where as Ben is there for all to see all the time.

finally theorising about lost is for fags. Fun show none the less.

f*** me I'm lost (no pun) watching this now, so many f***ing tangents it's doing my head in. How in the f*** do the writers keep up with themselves I DO NOT KNOW! IT could lead anywhere ffs... I bet they all end up on the moon.

I think you should be careful about reading *too* much into things. The show isn't made by infallible gods, maybe all these "mind f***s" that you're mention are just editing mistakes, or the product of reshoots, or re-using the same extra too many times, or maybe the writers of the show just like Geronimo Jackson so when they came to the part in the script where they're like "Ok, what records should we have in the hatch" that was an obvious one that sprang to mind.

And as for insignifcant details like who's x-ray Juliette was looking at in a flashback, 2 or 3 seasons ago, I really hope the writers don't waste time filling in those gaps, because really, who cares? Do I care that I haven't found out what Jack had for lunch the day before he went back to the island? No, I don't, because it has no impact at all on the rest of the story.

Yea that's true...I'm open to editing mistakes...and there are quite a few in there. And I'm open to the producers putting in their personal touches to it he show (Geronimo Jackson; Half Life etc) But this was my point, there are some insignificant looking things in there too.
When Miles comes down from Walt's bedroom, he stops midway down the stairs and glances at the photos, not long enough to appreciate the photographs, but just long enough to acknowledge that they had changed dramatically.
So, yea...some stuff is important to the show later down the track and some isn't.

Do I care that I haven't found out what Jack had for lunch the day before he went back to the island? No, I don't, because it has no impact at all on the rest of the story.

See, that's what YOU think. The sandwich that Jack bought was prepared by the ex-girlfriend of Kelvin Joe Inman who was with Desmond in the hatch. If she'd served him soup that'd been sitting it out on the bench too long would have given him food poisoning and he'd would have been laid up in hospital instead of meeting up with the other guys in time to get back to the island.

In any case, the writers need to hurry the f*ck up in revealing the plot so we can all either bask in their awesomeness or damn them to the same level of hell that George Lucas is going to end up in.

Hey I got a sweet theory...I've always found it hard to believe that 48 passengers could survive a crash like that of flight 815. In real life you'd be lucky to get one survivor, let alone 48 (with minimal physical injuries)...well...what if all the survivors weren't really survivors. I don't mean that they are the living dead. I mean what if, when Jack wakes up in the jungle after the crash and runs out to the crash site, he's actually waking up from a 'Time Jump'. It would be much the same as when he woke up in the jungle after the flash when the Ajira flight went down. So, he runs down to the beach and sees the plane burning and all the crash victims...but they have all woken from a time flash and immediately assume they're survivors from the wreckage they see around them. Eventually they burn all the bodies that are in the hull of the plane, and because the bodies would of course be charred to a certain extent anyway, our time jumpers don't realize they are in fact burning their own bodies.

Something else that bothers me with the show is that no one can remember events that have happened in the past, eg Sayid shooting little Ben, but having no recollection of older Ben when he is torturing him in the Pearl Station. I'm sure the lack of memory will be explained (maybe in the incident at the end of this season). What ever the explanation is, it will confer with the theory of why the Losties don't remember the time jump and immediately assume they were part of the crash.

So to sum up...Yes, the Losties were on 815. It did crash. They all died. The Losties that were on the beach after the crash were time jumpers. They all assumed that they were on the plane and survived it. They were not (not in this time anyway) I also have a feeling that it was themselves that engineered this whole thing.

Any questions?

Any questions?

wtf?

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maybe theyre stuck in some eternal loop bulls***

Something else that bothers me with the show is that no one can remember events that have happened in the past, eg Sayid shooting little Ben, but having no recollection of older Ben when he is torturing him in the Pearl Station. I'm sure the lack of memory will be explained (maybe in the incident at the end of this season). What ever the explanation is, it will confer with the theory of why the Losties don't remember the time jump and immediately assume they were part of the crash.

this is explained at the end of ep 11 when richard says if i take him he wont remember anything

Eventually they burn all the bodies that are in the hull of the plane, and because the bodies would of course be charred to a certain extent anyway, our time jumpers don't realize they are in fact burning their own bodies.

Huh? They jump, their bodies jump.

g Sayid shooting little Ben, but having no recollection of older Ben when he is torturing him in the Pearl Station.

What? I assume you meant ben would be the one who would remember sayid, and they explained it away (lamely) in the latest episode.

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Doesn't explain how some people got injured in the first crash. Jack had that huge gash in his shoulder, the bounty hunter was all f***ed up, Locke got the scar over his eye.

What happened always happened. Sayid always shot Ben. The Losties always came to the island. They always went back to the 70's. But they only having fleeting memories of things. First ep, after the smoke monster shakes trees and makes its noise, Rose says "There is something familiar about that sound"...Locke had a vision of the light-airplane crashing, carrying drugs and Yemi, in a time flash seasons later he was there when it actually happened. When Locke is banging on the hatch, crying, saying "I know I must get in here"...they're all trace memories. Been there done that, can't remember it.
All the injuries the 'survivors' have are not consistent with a jumbo jet ripping in half and crash landing on a beach. And how's Jacks' form? He gets thrown from the plane 30,000 ft up and then through a jungle canopy and he gets a deep gash from it. That's it. One of the biggest mysteries from day dot was how is it possible they survived the crash, let alone having only minimal injuries. It is conceivable, though, if they didn't survive the crash and the people on the beach were from another time who had a memory lapse and thought they were victims of said crash.

Like I said in previous post, I don't think this pinnacle Time Jump is coincidental, I think they themselves engineered it that way (injuries and all), because before boarding the Ajira plane, Ben tried to make the scenario as close to 815 as possible. In place of the dead Christian Sheppard there was the dead John Locke. In place of the fugitive, was the captured Sayid...even jack wore the same suit as on 815.

The show is winding down and you know the ending is gonna be just as tripped out as this theory. See what happens i guess. But f***, I want kudos if I'm right.

Sorry, just re-read what I typed. This whole theory is based on the assumption that at the time of the crash, Jack and crew are on the plane 815, living in one time line and Jack and crew are also on the island but in another time line.
At the exact time of the crash, "Island Jack and crew" jumps into the time line of their 815 counterparts just as they (or just after they) crash and burn and DIE...leaving only "Island Jack and crew" to restart the loop by carrying on as though they were on the plane.
SO if that is correct, then Jack (1977 on the island) would be able to go back to the mainland (usa) and he would be able to meet his younger self. As would everyone else Sawyer, Kate etc...
f*** this s***...too confusing.


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How can the losties save themselves from the plane crash if they die in the plane crash?
If there is anything to the 'fleeting memories' I reckon it has more to do with what Desmond experienced - with his mind going to a different time in his life. Not from their own 'forgotten' experience.

Sorry, just re-read what I typed. This whole theory is based on the assumption that at the time of the crash, Jack and crew are on the plane 815, living in one time line and Jack and crew are also on the island but in another time line.

havent the writers said a couple of times there isnt paralell timelines etc

doesn't this theory you have completely contradict WHH?

i am stll having trouble getting my head around WHH. its seriously mind f***ing me and i am SERIOUSLY losing sleep over it

last edited by existence at 21:37:52 07/Apr/09

Ignore Miles, his choice of words to explain time travel were very confusing.

Thermite, I'm not saying that the Losties end game is to save themselves. i think the twist at the end of the show is that they end up back where they started and it is a continual loop. The twist for us is how we perceived the beginning. With all the time traveling and smoke monsters and other intriguing s***, we forget that an impossible 48 passengers survived not just a crash, but a 'rip open in mid air crash'. A bit like the movie Sixth Sense...all the evidence was there from the beginning.
And existence, not sure if it contradicts 'What Happened, Happened'. Just rewatched that scene between Hurley and Miles...They are basically both theorising over what is happening, only Miles has more of a clue. he does get stumped at the end when Hurely says, "Why doesn't Ben remember being shot by Sayid?". Neither Ben nor Sayid show any recollection of each other during the torturing.

i am stll having trouble getting my head around WHH. its seriously mind f***ing me and i am SERIOUSLY losing sleep over it

I find the easiest way to picture it, is to stop trying to make every person and every event fit into one single, neat timeline. Instead, imagine each person has their own timeline, and things like "past" and "present" and "future" are relative to that person's timeline.

For example, lets pick a random Dharma worker, their timeline might go something like

Sign up to go to the island in the 70's -> Go to the island -> Work on the island -> Meet sawyer and miles and co -> Work on the island for another 3 years -> Meet jack and co -> Some other stuff we haven't seen yet happens -> Die in the culling when Ben kills everyone.

But for someone like Jack, it would go more like

Catch flight back from Australia -> Crash on island -> Find Hatch -> Captured by Others, etc, etc -> Get off the island -> watch the island disappear -> Go back to civilisation -> 3 years later, return to the island -> End up in the 70's working for Dharma.

So, as far as Jack's concerned, being in the 70's working for Dharma is his present, it doesn't matter that, as far as we are concerned, or as far as random Dharma people are concerned, its the "past", because it isn't Jack's past, it is his present, hes living it right now. To an outside viewer, sitting here in the year 2009, hes in the past, but its not the past to him. Just like the plane crashing on the island would be considered the "future" by a random Dharma person, its Jack's past, because it has already happened to Jack.

Basically, time is relative to the character/person perceiving it. There is no one, definite, absolute timeline where an event can be considered in the past or in the future, terms like "past" and "future" really mean "in the past of this character's timeline" or "in the future of this character's timeline". Don't try and sync all the timelines up with each other, that way lies madness.

Good work. That is precisely what Miles said, put simply.

. Neither Ben nor Sayid show any recollection of each other during the torturing.

Why the f*** would sayid remember him, they hadnt met yet. And as for young ben meeting sayid, they explained that away in the last episode.

And as for miles being "stumped" that was stupid, the obvious answer from his point of view at that point in time was "Ben is a lying c*** playing games", now that didnt turn out to be the answer the writers chose but it would have been a pretty good guess from bens past actions.

Indeed Bah.

I think Khel's explanation is less confusing than Mile's explanation. But having to explain it is just complicating the issue... it's just straight forward time travel ffs. They've gone back in time, it's very simple.

As for the passengers not dying, yes of course something wierd happened there, but I don't think it was the time travellers inserting themselves in place of the 815ers after they die. Wouldn't that mean the time travellers are getting older and older and older reliving the same events and somehow forgetting them? Unless they're drinking Richard Alpert's semen I don't see it going down like that. And how did the time travellers get to being time travellers in the first place if they died as 815ers?

Also the bodies of the 815 dead were shown pretty clearly, Sawyer and Kate and others went right through all of that stuff, they would have spotted a dead clone of someone on the island, surely...

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none of the '77 crew died on the plane.

I THINK YOU'D NOTICE A DEAD FAT GUY WITH CURLY HAIR

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wow khel, wicked explanation

I thank you you for correcting the error of my ways. But I did some more thinking about it (which prolly isn't a good idea)...I understand (now) that Sayid first met Ben when he tortured him and Ben first met Sayid when he was shot by him. And Ben is a lying c*** for not acknowledging Sayid, while being tortured, as someone he had met before.
So, hypothetically, if 'little Ben' is shot by Sayid and then Sayid stays with him (never lets him out of his sight) until he is 'old Ben', does that mean Sayid will eventually torture Ben?
We know that Sayid has tortured 'old Ben' in his own past, but does he torture him in 'little Ben's' future?

I think you should just give up auz_guy.

Didn't Richard say that Ben would lose all his memories in the healing process? Therefore, Ben wouldn't have been lying when he didn't acknowledge he had met Sayid before because he didn't know he had.

^ yes

said it like twice in the thread, auz guy fails! watch when he is carrying young ben he clearly says he will remember nothing

that explains why he doesnt know sayid

Rest assured Bah, I'm close to giving up...but I really wanna know if someone has an answer, Sayid has tortured 'old Ben' in Sayid's own past, but does he torture him in 'little Ben's' future? I mean, if both of them live out the rest of their lives from the 1977 shooting until the point where Sayid eventually tortures him, that means that Sayid would remember him.
f*** this time travel s***...I'm gonna start watching Neighbours for some f***ing mundane normalcy.

Sayid has tortured ben already, its in his past, its done and over with. Even if he lives out the rest of his life on the island, up until the point where Ben gets tortured, it wont matter because it wasn't old crusty sayid that tortured him. And when ben was tortured, we didn't see an old crusty sayid anywhere anyway, so no, old crusty sayid cannot have anything to do with it. Its already happened for sayid, its a part of his timeline, its a part of his life, and he can't now go and change that because whatever happened, happened.

Sayid has tortured 'old Ben' in Sayid's own past, but does he torture him in 'little Ben's' future? I mean, if both of them live out the rest of their lives from the 1977 shooting until the point where Sayid eventually tortures him, that means that Sayid would remember him.

wtf.. come on people...

What you are proposing is that Sayid's old man mind somehow swaps into his young man body. Now maybe this is how time jumping worked for Desmond in that flashes episode, or that wierd show "7 days" where he went back 1 week in a technodrome, and the version of him from a week ago simply was never explained - almost like he replaced himself.

This here on lost is classic time travel. If you travel in time to a time where you already exist - there are two of you. Now depending on whether you believe in Van Damme movies, you may or not be allowed to touch yourself.

Go and watch "Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure", it will help you with the basics.

Spoiler regarding the same person in one time twice in the season finale:

Spoiler:

I believe in the season finale we discover that some of the '77 crew, (at the very least: Jin) have been on the island THE WHOLE TIME during the time that the 815ers were. So there are two Jins there, one that has lived as an 815er and as a Dharma worker, and one that is currently living as an 815er and has no idea he will be a Dharma worker
Obviously the older Jin knows where to keep away from not to be spotted by the survivors since he has lived through that experience.
To be specific the spoiler I know of is that the actor that plays Jin will wear 'age makeup' in a scene set on the island in the finale. The rest I'm just guessing.



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Ages ago when the Losties first discovered that there were others on the island, a group of others walked past a group of our losties who were hiding behind some low level bushes. Our Losties weren't at a vantage point to be able to see the 'others' faces, they basically just saw their legs walking past. In the others group was one of the kids holding a teddy bear. I wonder if any of that group are '1970's Losties'.

The kid with the teddy bear is a character with a name, it's one of the children that Eko saves from the water from the tail-end of the crash.

^ Yea that's right. The kids from the tail section were kidnapped by the others. One or some of the Losties from '77 could be traveling with the others. But anyway, we'll see.
Tomorrow's ep is gonna be huge by all accounts. It's not confirmed but apparently Spoiler:
We'll get to see Yi Jeon (Sun's kid) and Aaron as 30 year olds


existence, you were asking about any info on Richard Alpert. I got this info from the same page above spoiler Spoiler:
We'll get to see Richard Alpert walking barefoot through the jungle some time through this season. That is all that was written...but if it turns out to be true, prehaps the significance of the spoiler is that Alpert may have only four toes...dunno


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Why would he only have 4 toes? Are they implying the statue is supposed to be of him? Or he is some weird statue worshipper that cut off a toe to be like it?

Oh, I guess I should have used spoiler tags, but meh, its not much of a spoiler.

Never aging, four toes.

Whats next, yellow skin?

and don't forget his black eyeliner

i was reading its not even eye liner he just has totally TO DIE FOR eyelashes that make it loook like he does

Yeah I was reading he worked in an office before becoming an actor, and one day the boss called him in to have a chat about the eyeliner situation, lol.

What about this? If it's true about Richards feet, maybe he is Egyptian and the person the statue is modeled after. If that is so, then maybe he is like the Pharoh of the temple. I'm thinking he doesn't age, so maybe he's not aging because he's dead and was mummified in the temple ages ago, then along comes Smokey to reanimate him. Eko's brother seemed to be reanimated by Smokey. The only difference between Eko's brother and Richard would be how they look when Smokey reanimates them. Eko's brother was reanimated 3 yrs after he died. Well after his body had already started decaying. Maybe the reason Richard looks so alive and fresh is because he was mummified.
Please don't crucify me...just sayin.

wow just watched latest ep... SPOILER









THANK f*** PENNY DOESNT DIE!!!! go desmond for pumping the s*** out of ben

see smokey, but still doesn't really explain what the f*** it is.

There were hylogryphics on the walls of the temple, so whoever said the Egyptians would get a nod, was right. My take on it was it was an Egyptian demon that judges you.

The depiction on the wall showed the monster judging an egyptian god?

The god it depicted was Anubis, the Egyptian god who protects the dead and brings them to the afterlife. And from a brief scan of wikipedia, it seems he was also in charge of judging whether someone was worthy to enter the afterlife or not, so maybe the smokey thing works for him?

This is all getting very mystical and religious, didn't they say back at the start that the show wasn't going to be mystical and supernatural, that everything was going to have a real explanation? Or am I just imagining that?

last edited by Khel at 20:14:49 09/Apr/09

The actual quote from the producers was, "everything in this series can be explained in the the realms of reality".

Khel is correct...from Lostpedia: Within the declivity in the Temple wall, underground, Ben finds a room with many hieroglyphs, and other symbols of Egyptian religion. Most notable is an engraving of the Monster facing the Egyptian god Anubis.

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i read smokey was from the future

so lets say its stargate, future beings play around with time travel and shoot back into the past and in the end are worshipped by the egyptians

doesn't explain the healing powers of the island though, or why hurly keeps getting fatter

but god i'm good

What do you guys think is going on with Ilana and the three guys? What lays in the shadow of the statue? Is this a secret code like the snowman line?
Could they be widmore's people, or others, or what? They've brought something in a big box.... :/

I thought the same thing about Desmond's code question "What did one snowman...?" Ilana is definitely 'in the know' about the island. She was the one who brought Sayid on the plane as a prisoner...Sayid was like, "f*** off, I don't wanna be on this plane" but she was adamant that they be on that flight. Whether or not she was manipulated by Ben is yet to be seen.
That flight 316 was so engineered to replicate the original 815 flight. You've got; Locke being a proxy to Christian Sheppard by wearing his shoes and by being dead; Sayid a proxy to Kate being a fugitive; Hurley was a proxy to Charlie by bringing a guitar on the flight; Sun was a proxy to Jin because Ben gave her Jin's wedding ring; Ilana was a proxy to the U.S. Marshall; The pilot being a proxy to his pilot mate etc...
"What lies in the shadow of the statue?" Reminds me of a few movies where the sun lines up to a particular statue or building or whatever and its shadow reveals a path to something of importance....perhaps the temple.

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I am getting with the timetravel thing but why did they choose to go back to the Island?

Cos they all had stockholm's syndrome

So there is no imperative to their own survival?

I am just watching ep 11 atm and at around 27m Kate says "Jack says that we weren't supposed to leave."

why hurly keeps getting fatter

Hell yes, that's the biggest mystery of the whole damn show. Forget smoke monsters, egyptian gods, time travel, mysterious statues, electromagnetic anomalies, visions of dead people, etc. If the creators answer the Hurley question before the show ends it'll all make sense.

Jack went back because of the psychological damage he's suffered from locke telling him stuff, him realising he's wrong, locke dying, his dad apparently being a zombie
Kate went back for Claire (re: Aaron).
Hurley went back for the dharma ranch dressing, nah probably one of the dead people he sees like charlie told him too.
Sun went back for Jin.
Ben, I don't think we know what the f*** his plan is.
Everyone else was a fluke or had no choice etc..

yeah it's a bit of a reach(around).

tomorrows ep should be excellent as well. looks like we get to learn some more s***

w00t

i <3 lost

More about the shadow of the statue & hieroglyphs spotted on the classroom blackboard! The Egyptian angle only get stronger.

At least we know why Miles was after the 3.2 million dollars from Ben now.

what a f***ing epic last episode that was


thoughts auz_guy

i cant believe the whole reason charles hated desmond and wouldn't let the 2 be together wasn't because he was a bad person, it was purely to ensure he would wind up on the island. im never usually a fan of the love subplots of the show but this one shattered me! prob because des and penny are such epic actors /actresses and i completely believe their 2 characters

alot has been explained by now... now i am really looking to understand that if it is possible to change the past (their future) by altering their present

it looks asif as hard as daniel would have tried to stabilise the exotic matter stuff, the very actions of him trying to stop it is what is going to infact cause the incident

i am still having a tiny bit of trouble grasping what exactly will happen if the incident is in fact avoided

will the plane never crash? or what is going to happen. bet we wont even find that out until next season

I don't think that was the last episode, i think there is still two to go?
still it was pretty epic

all i can say is that the dudes writing this show are smoking some strong s***.

yeah there is 2 to go

the last episode of the season is richard centric

so we should find out some more s*** then

Think Jack and Kate will try detonating Jughead.

yeah gotta admin just finished watching the ep, ending was pretty insane.

Did they make him look like a creepy pedophile earlier in the episode just so you would feel less sympathy when he got shot?

Think Jack and Kate will try detonating Jughead.

Absolutely. But if giving Jack and Kate the idea to do this is the only reason Eloise raised a scientist and sent him to be killed off, then I won't be happy.

Ellie might plead Richard to take Daniel to Smokey for some assist. By the way...if Eloise Hawkings is his Mum and Charles Widmore is his Dad...how did he get the name Faraday?

Also, way back when Locke and Boone were off having jungle adventures, Locke made a drug and gave it to Boone. Boone had some visions and when he came out of it, Locke asked him who Teresa was. Boone said "WTF?" So, Locke said "While you were tripping you started saying 'Teresa falls up the stairs, she falls down the stairs, she fall's up the stairs...'" Boone said "Oh that was our babysitter". Anyway, I wonder if it was the same Teresa as Daniels girlfriend/research assist in this ep.

Ellie might plead Richard to take Daniel to Smokey for some assist. By the way...if Eloise Hawkings is his Mum and Charles Widmore is his Dad...how did he get the name Faraday?

He guess she figured he had a huge potential.

Eloise could have been boning a Faraday at the time also. She seems like a slut.

Or she remarried before he was born and she kept her own name.

He guess she figured he had a huge potential.

Ba-dum-tish!

if Eloise Hawkings is his Mum and Charles Widmore is his Dad...how did he get the name Faraday?

Probably because the big reveal of his parents was in the 5th season yet the character was introduced in the early 4th season. Besides c'mon, a physicist who's main life story and plot purpose is to embark on a series of experiments that culminate in an attempt to contain electromagnetic energy how could you not name him Faraday?

Because her son was named faraday, so she named her son faraday.

Finale has aired..

Pretty awesome! Thoughts?

Very cool until the end bit. Would have been nice to see a proper ending explaining stuff but that just felt like their usual ep climax.

what was that last thing jacob said? they're coming? or something else. I couldnt make it out.

Spoiler:
^ Yeah he said "They're coming"

Found it interesting that he physically touched everyone in those flashbacks

I Think he's referring to jack kate etc...they're coming....somehow.
I guess blown back to the future lol

oh what a f*** off ending :( i was expecting some huge twist but nothing...

juliet is awsome. i hope she doesnt die.

my guess is that everyone jacob visited is coming back to take out the bad "locke"

9 month wait till next season :(



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The Ben vs Widmore war seems to be dwarfed by the Jaocb vs "Locke" war.

Wondering how Bad-Locke exploited the loophole. Is it actually possession? Could it have happened when Ben dropped John's body off at the butcher's? Did Ben have anything to do with it? Season 6. Ooor yea.

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that.was.epic.

And we still don't know who the f*** Richard Alpert is

Wondering how Bad-Locke exploited the loophole

Jacob and that other guy are exiled egyptian gods or something, trapped on the island, and he can't kill Jacob himself but when the plane crashes he sees an opportunity and makes himself look like Locke to get the others to follow him. Bad guy is probably also the black smoke, and set the whole thing up to convince Ben to kill Jacob, since he can't kill Jacob himself.

Thats my unsubstantiated armchair theory for the night.

last edited by Khel at 23:16:37 14/May/09

dont you mean ricardos? :P

Yea Khel, agreed. Mr X (bad locke) is smokey.

It seemed coy/evasive the way that MrX reacted to Ben's story of his judgment and how Alex told him exactly what he needed to hear to make him follow Mrx's plan to the very last detail.

That along with Locke's convienient absence and re-appearance durring Ben's judgement. Locke goes to get a branch to help Ben and just after he goes, smokey appears.

And it was probably smokey/MrX living in the cabin pretending to be Jacob...

Plus the Horace (chopping wood) ghost manipulation to get Locke to the Cabin

Edit: Which would probably also mean that Ben was still actually the "leader" and Richard was conned into thinking Locke was the new leader.

That is why Richard kept testing Locke and Locke kept failing. Evil Locke/MrX convinced Richard with the time travelling compass.

Ben was able to "kill" Jacob because the "leader" is the only one who could seek audience with Jacob.

last edited by Auz_Guy at 23:38:04 14/May/09

Has anyone on the internets translated what Richard said when those guys asked him the question about what lies in the shadow of the statue?