First read this and this.

But I guess if you believe something as outlandish as the US government orchestrating 3000+ murders against it's own people for some random agenda then you would have read those links already. I mean, you guys are all about finding out the truth right? haha

Recently a few forum members have shown themselves to be duped by even the most ridiculous conspiracy theories. Probably the biggest one and also I think the most humorous are those that believe the 9/11 attacks were a conspiracy. This has been discussed before, but that was mainly about the loose change video itself and happened fairly recently after the video was released. I'd like to think that all of the flash in the pan believers have moved on since the video has been pretty much proven to be a shoddily made pile of crap, and that only the most hardcore of believers remain. I'd like them to post their ideas in this thread so that they can be challenged and discussed. Just some basic questions from me first.

- Why the f*** would the US do it? It has f***ed the US up I reckon. I guess FaceMan can answer why he thinks Bush would just 'let it happen'.
- If the planes that hit the towers were apparently cargo planes, and a missle apparently hit the Pentagon, what happened to all the people who died in the crash? Were they just herded into a special room in the airport and shot without anyone noticing?
- Seriously you believe this s***?

Fire away.

edit: link to loose change thread.

This thread is in need of Penn and Teller exposing the Bulls***

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=kcrF346sS_I

Man reading that loose change thread and watching all the people so gullibly fall for it makes my brain hurt :(

I didn't believe until I typed "Q33 NY" into word (this was the flight number of the first plane to crash into the WTC) and changed the font to webdings.

Then I typed "UN" in webdings... I didn't know the UN were christians trying to kill the world. But it all makes sense now.

oooh, a guy at my work is into this;

he mentioned it once (that 9/11 wasnt what we thought it was, buildings dont collapse like that), we mocked him for the rest of the arvo, and then we havent heard from him about it since;

download a free doco called Zietgiest, loose change is not as convincing. The reason they did this is to give them a reason to invade another country to start a war thats been going on now for years costing the US government billions of dollars thus leaving the US fedral reserve to pay for the war with intrest attached to the money the FR gives them. It's all about the money.

Hitler did the same thing.

^^ i'd agree with that.

the american economy is driven by the defence industry, hence why there always seems to be some sort of conflict that america is involved with.

for a somewhat accurate list of conflicts, lookie here.

the american economy is driven by the defence industry, hence why there always seems to be some sort of conflict that america is involved with.

bigtime lols

fpot this thread hurts my brain, why are you making me read this crap like that ^

if you get a chance download a documentary called 'iraq for sale' its quite interesting.

From what I've seen of all threads of a similar subject matter, there is no way that you're going to challenge and discuss any views that do not align with yours, fpot.

Unless you've turned a new leaf, all you'll be doing is completely ignoring any (counter)points and reverting to personal insults.

I kind of hope that you prove me wrong, and actually participate in this thread that you have created.

That said, I have no real view either way on this, but I must agree with the suggestion of downloading Zeitgeist as it offers a far more convincing argument than Loose Change.

^excellent first post

also, george bush did get to go fight daddys war after all this, lucky coincidence.

don't worry, before obama gets assassinated by the dirty racist southeners, he'll be a great socialist and clean up the US.

All I have to add to this thread is, for anyone who watches a documentary or youtube video about "the truth" of 911, do yourself (and the rest of us) a favour and make sure you look up the counter arguments for whatever "facts" are presented. A lot of theories and explanations, whether they are conspiracies or not, sound very convincing when they aren't challenged by anything at all. You're only becoming more stupid if you pay attention to just one-side of an argument.

I'd like to finish with, yes, it is possible that the US faked their moon landings, yes, it is possible the US invented HIV, yes, it is possible the US orchestrated the most sophisticated attack in history (lol asif), but really, what's more likely? I think for some people it's more fun to chase conspiracies, and gives them that little feeling in their gut like they know better than everyone else.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons is all I have to add.

Anyone looked up the port arthur conspiracy's, have a read, pretty funny. Just google for some links, I couldnt be arsed.

I'd like to finish with, yes, it is possible that the US faked their moon landings, yes, it is possible the US invented HIV, yes, it is possible the US orchestrated the most sophisticated attack in history (lol asif),

, it is possible that the Earth is flat...

Anyone looked up the port arthur conspiracy's,

yer, i remember reading some of these a few years back

people sure love conspiracies

Humm so fpot were you bored? Is this why you've dug up this ancient thread again?

download a free doco called Zietgiest

the three part zeitgeist movie isn't a documentary... it's just a bunch of feasable sounding arguments that aren't based on anything substancial. the directors made it this way on purpose because that's the zeitgeist! it's the spirit of the current age that people would rather believe some feasable sounding minority argument than the majority view.

Right now I feel like i need to personally insult fpoof in his own thread like he did in mine but i just couldn't be bothered on a Sunday morning.

I'll come back and take a dump in this thread later.

george bush doesn't like black^H^H^H^H^Harab people

as if anyone actually listens to fpot lol

I really cant see the value in going over all this again. You can make a conspiracy out of just about anything. There will always be mentally challenged, ignorant people to follow your train of thought.

Im too hung over to post but i shall return.

Firstly though, i was watching some video of the first tower collapsing and you can see the top of the building list to one side as it comes down.

Also you cant discuss 9/11 without discussing the pentagon attack and the plane that mysteriously crashed in that field leaving quite a lot of wreckage.

And the rapid evacuation of Saudi family members.

After what happened recently with bush being told to vote against the UN resolution i am wondering if bush received any calls from Israel on 9/11

3000 ppl is not a lot to surrender to a cause.
Take a look at the glory of Twentieth Century Humanity on this page.
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat1.htm

What actually happened on Sept. 11, 2001? I dunno.

But giving reasons why it *couldn't* be an inside job because no government would kill (or allow to be killed) 3000 of their own people ignores what has happened before in history.

I can't be bothered reading all this idiocy, but I think Chomsky summed it up best:



Regardless of who perpetrated the 9/11 attacks, the powers of the world are capitalising off the attacks. They are using the attacks to get away with gross violations of human rights.

Firstly though, i was watching some video of the first tower collapsing and you can see the top of the building list to one side as it comes down.

Seen a lot of sky scrapers come crashing down in your time, have you?

Not from fire I havent.

it burned down, fell over, and sank into the swamp

so they built a second one

Could a building collapse if it was hit by a plane?

The third Plane was supposed to hit Building 7 so since it crashed the Illuminati pulled Building 7 so nobody would discover the explosives.

what the f*** rofl.

Anyone who thinks that it was a conspiracy should have their head examined.

Forgetting all the facts, there are two reasons why it wasn't:

- The amount of people involved in a conspiracy of that nature would have been immense. You think not one person would have let something slip by now?
- The whole thing was in the publics watch. Its not like it was in some regional area, it was in the middle of new york city/DC (having been to both sites, they are both clearly visible areas to 10000+ people). Yet only about 5 crackpots appear to have seen anything suspicious?

It would be easier to cover up all of:

JFK assassination + London Bombings + Area 51 + Harrold Holt + Life on Mars

compared to covering up 9/11. Just my unenlightened thoughts.

Nearly all these conspiracy theories start because of the general s***ness of the official commission reports and the delay's even now in completing them. I don't buy into any of these theories but there is certainly a lot of cock ups and contradictions in the report. Think it might have been this one:

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/911/pdf/fullreport.pdf long time ago now.

There is a lot of non-crazy people asking for better explanations on the events that took place, it has even been brought up in parliments around the world. There is a call with reasonable backing in Europe for an independent enquiry into the attacks all sparked by this doco:

ZERO, an investigation into the events of 9/11

http://www.indymedia.be/nl/node/26209

The movie isn't about crackpot theories (although it does have a couple of fruit loops) it simply asks a bunch of questions it wants an independent european examanation to answer.

It's scary when the conspiracy theorists sound more logically convincing than everyone else.

To the illogical, naive and easily mislead sheep amongst us perhaps. However, for the rest of us it was simply a tragic event that the US government have failed to protect its citizens from.

I still don't see how a completely water-tight conspiracy involving saudis, the US government, the air force, several hundred civilians and the girl guides is some how more believable than saying that terrorists did it (because they don't like america).

I don't doubt there are people who would sacrifice 3000 people to justify a war. The thing is it'd require hundreds of people all who believed in the plan 100%. If you have 30 people in on a surprise birthday party theres always some tool who ruins it.

I just don't think you'll find people hundreds of people who believe so strongly in their country or its government to sacrifice of its own 3000 people and never say a word. And how would you find them?

"Oh hey Jeff, me and some of the other guys are thinking about using remote controlled passenger aircraft to destroy the WTC, the Whitehouse and the Pentagon. Any chance you'd be interested?"
"Uh, no. Not really."
"Oh ok then, forget i asked."

They use top secret spies who don't even exist! They're taken from orphanages and raised to become top cia/fbi agents, these are the ones that were in consipracy. Duh.

I have some questions

how did the buildings free fall without any resistance from the tonnes of steel below where the planes struck? What was the go with all the molten steel?

How much would it have cost to remove the asbestos in the wtc?

How much information did they lose about enron in builing 7?

They use top secret spies who don't even exist! They're taken from orphanages and raised to become top cia/fbi agents, these are the ones that were in consipracy. Duh.

Sort of like Jason Bourne.

how did the buildings free fall without any resistance from the tonnes of steel below where the planes struck?

My guess is magic... that or your question is bulls***, wrong, and misleading.

- The amount of people involved in a conspiracy of that nature would have been immense. You think not one person would have let something slip by now?

Lets turn that around.
What is the amount of ppl needed to pull off what those terrorists did without anyone else finding out about it ?
How did they keep it a secret ?
The only evidence they have got is from that guy they caught in Pakistan and severely tortured who said he was the mastermind.
What is Al Queda and is it an organisation with the ability to support an attack like 9/11 ?

Remember how clumsy the previous attempt to destroy the WTC was.
People living in caves/camps studying fundamentalist religion could not have the logistical capabilities of carrying out a mission like that.
Not alone.

Lets turn that around.
What is the amount of ppl needed to pull off what those terrorists did without anyone else finding out about it ?
How did they keep it a secret ?
The only evidence they have got is from that guy they caught in Pakistan and severely tortured who said he was the mastermind.
What is Al Queda and is it an organisation with the ability to support an attack like 9/11 ?

Remember how clumsy the previous attempt to destroy the WTC was.
People living in caves/camps studying fundamentalist religion could not have the logistical capabilities of carrying out a mission like that.
Not alone.

So you're saying the Bali bombing was also responsible by the Australia government, or the London bombing, the British government was responsible? After all they also failed to prevent that attack that killed a lot of people? Sure the scale of the attack is pale in comparison to 9/11 but the simple fact remains, they were able to carry out attacks?

I think people watched too much movies and tvs, thus giving the CIA, MI6 etc far too much credit in their abilities to prevent all sort attacks.

al-qaeda = database setup by the cia for bin laden and a dozen or so of his buddies

Bali and the England attacks are very different to 9/11

If the hijackers had been stopped what would the world be like today ?

Does anyone know what happened with these people that were arrested?

i'm glad you're all so qualified in structural engineering to be making statements about how the buildings were made and why they shouldn't have fallen etc etc

and can a building like that actually collapse from fire? I would have said no way.

the twin towers were hollow on the inside with a massive reinforced concrete core running up the center, when concrete heats up (ie jet fuel igniting around it which would have also spread down the core looking for oxygen) it explodes.. exposing the steel reinforcement which also melts funnily enough when you heat it...

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Bali and the England attacks are very different to 9/11

If the hijackers had been stopped what would the world be like today ?

Different how? They were all pulled off by the said people you said "living in caves/camps studying fundamentalist religion could not have the logistical capabilities of carrying out a mission like that.".

London bombing is even more mind boggling if you think about it considering it's probably the most surveillance city on the whole planet, with supposedly "best" intelligence service on the planet, the city that fought IRA terror tactics for years and _yet_ these "caved" and unsophisticated "religious fundamentalist" managed to organise such atrocities.

Not to mention, these all happened after 9/11, in the event in which the world world went into war on terror over drive?.

So using your reasoning, they mustn't have acted alone and had helped from, what, the English authorities?

Please tell me then using your reasoning how are they different?

This is hilarious. All you conspiracy theory f*****s need to get a root or something.

I think all sorts of crazy s*** goes on that nobody knows about.. no use getting fired up about this issue unless you have a relative that died in the 911 attacks.. people are entitled to thier own opinion.

Everyone here has their own opinion based on information they have heard. Who says you can trust that info?

They were homegrown terrorists.

They did not travel from Afghanistan on a mission.
This is about 9/11 not other terrorist attacks blamed on 'Al Queda'

15 questions 9/11 ‘truthers’ now need to answer

"One of the standard claims of 9/11 “truthers” is that they are merely sceptical individuals with a healthy and understandable desire not to swallow US government propaganda at face value. The mantra “just asking questions” allows them to pose as wary and intelligent souls too accustomed to the concept of duplicity in high places to accept the “official story” of Al Qaeda’s role in planning and perpetrating the largest mass casualty terrorist attack in modern history...

911 is like a broken computer.


the public doesn't care about the complexity of it all, they just want to know that it was going to be 'fixed'


the US govt gave that 'answer'.


is that a good thing? is that bad? who cares anymore!


Bush is out now... welcome to more of the same

interesting?

http://drjudywood.com/articles/BBE/BilliardBalls.html#c4

Ockham's razor leads me to believe it was muslim arab terrorists.

They repeatedly announced they'd like to kill Americans.
They took credit for it.
They had the means and the money.

Anything else is too complicated.

no use getting fired up about this issue unless you have a relative that died in the 911 attacks.

Reminds me of Curb Your Enthusiasm when the woman says her husband died on September 11.... he was a bicycle courier hit by a truck on the Upper East side.

Does anyone know what happened with these people that were arrested?

the story covered by a reputable source

Thanks nF, however the video I posted was about two men being detained in regards to a truckload of explosives on/near the George Washington Bridge. The article you have posted is about five men arrested with foreign passports, wads of cash and box cutters.

From what I understand the entire building falling down was a bit of a fluke. The use of the plane was meant to be basically a guided missile that was meant to hit the tower and cause damage, signifying to the Americans that their home territory isn't safe.

The entire building falling down was a massive bonus to the Big Bad.

What is the amount of ppl needed to pull off what those terrorists did without anyone else finding out about it ?
How did they keep it a secret ?

Probably not that many. A group of people get together before hand, learn the very basics of how to fly a plane (its not like they intend to take-off/land. Look at the well known flight paths of a bunch of candidate planes. Buy tickets, get on board with smuggled small weapons. Get into the cockpit, at this point in the world, people wouldn't really be thinking that the guys with weapons want to kill themselves, remember hijackings have happened before in America.

So they get access to the cockpit and continue their mission.

It isn't the big logistical extravaganza you are making it out to be, it is something that could be planned in a cave with relatively easily available public information.

Hence why it was such a successful attack. It showed that with comparatively little money and man power a nation could still attach the heart of America. No wonder America went ballistic with secruity, they weren't geared up to fight a war like that.



Also if Pres Bush was being puppetted, why didn't he or his evil alien shape shifting lizard overlords orchestrate a plan so that Bush could call a state of Emergancy right before the elections and give himself lots of extra time (they have the ability to do that right?)


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Obamas not President yet.

Thanks nF, however the video I posted was about two men being detained in regards to a truckload of explosives on/near the George Washington Bridge. The article you have posted is about five men arrested with foreign passports, wads of cash and box cutters.

It refers to the same incident. It was dodgy reporting on the day, I'm guessing.

Like this video:



A lot of people talking s*** having no idea what they are talking about, basically.

Most of the points raised by people in this thread were covered in the links I have already posted.

And yes I do make personal insults on people who are stupid believe the world is 6000 years old and that think 9/11 was a conspiracy.

from the page 4 of the second link.

"Once each tower began to collapse, the weight of all the floors above the collapsed zone bore down with pulverizing force on the highest intact floor. Unable to absorb the massive energy, that floor would fail, transmitting the forces to the floor below, allowing the collapse to progress downward through the building in a chain reaction. Engineers call the process "pancaking," and it does not require an explosion to begin, according to David Biggs, a structural engineer at Ryan-Biggs Associates and a member of the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) team that worked on the FEMA report"

do you really think zero energy would have been absorbed by the floors below?

because that's what the 10 second collapse time suggests.

I couldn't find anything in your links explaining this fpot

Why does the 10 second collapse time suggest that zero energy was absorbed by the floors below?

How much would it have cost to remove the asbestos in the wtc?

Surely crashing a plane into it and destroying it would be much cheaper than removing it, right?

wait, so gravity was in on the conspiracy as well?

my god... where does it end!?

It goes much deeper than that.

The Pentagon attack is the strangest of all.
Surely many ppl saw the plane come in ?
But where is the wreckage ?
Wouldnt the area stink of av gas ?
If it wasnt a plane what did the ppl who observed the plane see ?
Where are the wheels ?
Why wont the government release better video of what happened ?

Truth does not fear Investigation.
Lies do.

Seen alot of plane crashes into the pentagon in your time?

how did the buildings free fall without any resistance from the tonnes of steel below where the planes struck?

I am willing to bet there was some resistance. As nF said do you think the US changed the laws of physics to comply with their evil conspiracy? haha.

What was the go with all the molten steel?

what molten steel?

How much would it have cost to remove the asbestos in the wtc?

Are you seriously suggesting that part of the US' motive to destroying the world trade centre was to remove the asbestos? How much would it cost to have all the s*** removed from your brains?

How much information did they lose about enron in builing 7?

I dunno maybe some? Perhaps none? What's your point?

The Pentagon attack is the strangest of all.
Surely many ppl saw the plane come in ?
But where is the wreckage ?
Wouldnt the area stink of av gas ?
If it wasnt a plane what did the ppl who observed the plane see ?
Where are the wheels ?
Why wont the government release better video of what happened ?

Truth does not fear Investigation.
Lies do.

Every single one of those points is comprehensively covered in the first link I posted. You are a f***ing moron.


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because if i threw an apple off the top of one of the towers it would only take 10 seconds to take someones head off below.

The lack of aviation gasoline at the crash site is pretty damning thats for sure.

I want to know why the investigators didn't notice it.

because if i threw an apple off the top of one of the towers it would only take 10 seconds to take someones head off below.

What the f*** are you on about?

http://www.air-and-space.com/20060228 LAX/DSC_3247 757-223 N663AM American left front landing l.jpg

How did this plane hit the pentagon without using a drop of aviation gas?

I want answers!

Spencer: http://www.debunking911.com/freefall.htm

That was a two second google search.

Also Spencer you can f*** off and stop posting now you are wasting everyone's time.

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f*** those videos still give me chills.

f***en George bush.

Oh and here is another thing. If you guys seriously believe that 9/11 was US government orchestrated, surely that means the Australian and British governments were in it as well. Why aren't you doing anything about? You are still carrying on with your cowardly little lives, working your jobs and paying taxes. Doesn't that mean you are actually funding these murderous terrorists?

If I truly believed that my government had murdered thousands of it's own citizens for such a greedy agenda, then I wouldn't just sit tight and post dodgy theories on the internet. I'd go and do something about it, and if it meant my own death then so be it.

those are caculations predicting the collapse time

"Let me make this clear, I don't assume to know what the ACTUAL fall time was"

so what do those caculations have to do with the reality of the collapse times?

Is this faceman's AE or something?

What the hell? Did you look over the whole article? They had a video timing the collapse at 13 seconds. See this is the problem with morons like you. You don't read or at least don't absorb or comprehend anything that doesn't align with your own retarded agenda. As I said stop posting you are wasting everyone's time.

i only read it, can't watch vids - capped

Loose change must be a big video.

Plus I searched out the bit you quoted and you totally misunderstood what he said. What he is saying is he couldn't work out the exact time that the WTC should collapse in because there are far too many varibles (furniture, plumbing, all the s*** that is inside the buildings). What he is saying his calculations do show is that the collapse happened within an easily realistic time, and certainly was not a freefall. You are dumb mate.

And it was a blurry low res youtube video. It was probably less kB than all the images on that page.

DO some of you believe the governments story because to contemplate that they were involved would be too ..... terrifying ?

Lets say there was 100% evidence that the US government was involved in 9/11.
What would be your reaction be to this ?

DO some of you believe the governments story because to contemplate that they were involved would be too ..... terrifying ?

Not at all. To think otherwise is utterly retarded.

Lets say there was 100% evidence that the US government was involved in 9/11.
What would be your reaction be to this ?

I don't think there would be an US government.

No I believe the governments story because there is 100% evidence backing it up.

If there was 100% evidence to the contrary? I've already said what my reaction would be to that.

so is anything NOT a conspiracy?

i have another one - end game

there's a massive youth bulge forming in the middle east, and the demographics must scare the western governments s***less. When you add dwindling resources into the mix, and the failing petrodollar it would almost be considered irresponsible for these governments not to act in some way now while they still have the means. How else could they do this without scaring the s*** out of masses to sway public opinion.


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fpot there was no mention of an actual collapse time other than the video, and I thought the seismographs offered good evidence for a collapse time, especially considering the graph from that page states that the actual fall time can't been seen from the debris cloud.

I guess..my bad.

Lets say there was 100% evidence that the US government was involved in 9/11.
What would be your reaction be to this ?

they were involved, they were the target of two of the planes.

there's a massive youth bulge forming in the middle east, and the demographics must scare the western governments s***less. When you add dwindling resources into the mix, and the failing petrodollar it would almost be considered irresponsible for these governments not to act in some way now while they still have the means. How else could they do this without scaring the s*** out of masses to sway public opinion.

This is probably the most brain hurtingly stupid thing you gave said yet. Please stop.

massive youth bulge?

what are you a pedo?

which part hurts your brain most?

which part is stupid and dumb?
demographic change?
resources?
petrodollar?
using propaganda to sway public opinion?


why did you start this thread other than to prove your mother didn't hold you enough as a child?

If this Financial Crisis has done one thing its creating an army of unemployed ppl. Just ripe for some Military adventurism.

But how do you sell a war nobody wants ?

wmd's...

I can't believe you gronks are still actually discussing this. You both think the other is a moron and that's how it's going to end up at the end of it all.

If the US was so smart to have orchestrated the 9/11 attacks, how come they couldn't even plant WMDs in iraq?

because they didn't want to find WMDs.

911 happened from people walking past IED's next to the coke machines and it caused the clouds to flutter pulling planes towards it which had WMD's on board.

Another 2 second google search.


here

I am with you on that one. Much to incompetent to pull of something like this surely :P

Isn't he the guy who accidentally shot someone? :P

great socialist

Clever oxymoron.

Great socialists don't clean things up, they f*** things up - by swinging the balance too heavily to support industries and employment that otherwise wouldn't exist in a completely free market. Look at Germany, France (particularly pre-Sarkozy) and other socialist European countries who are struggling with things like near fully-paid medical and education, in comparison to our own schemes like HELP/HECS and Medicare Levy (weighted scale encouraging private health at a certain wage level).

I think the main reason that the government wouldn't have organised these attacks is because it's the exact plot of Long Kiss Goodnight

If this Financial Crisis has done one thing its creating an army of unemployed ppl. Just ripe for some Military adventurism. But how do you sell a war nobody wants ?

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you but are you saying that 9/11 and the current financial crisis are part of one big conspiracy? While I don't believe the 9/11 attacks would be too hard for the government to orchestrate (I believe that even a bunch of relatively disorganised terrorists could do it) - a conspiracy involving 9/11 and manipulating the entire world economy 7 years later for a deliberate result would be too difficult to do with any sort of precision (required to get your desired result).

Conspiracy theories tend to focus too much on possible benefits of bad events...just because there is a possible good outcome (in a huge event that is going to have many good and bad outcomes) isn't evidence that said event was a conspiracy.

A simple example of what I'm trying to say:
AIDS kills lots of people in Africa - bad
Yet less people in Africa means less people starving to death - good
This is not evidence that AIDS is a conspiracy intended to stop people from starving to death. Most things good or bad usually have some effects in the opposite...the event is defined as good or bad by which outweighs the other. If I won Gold Lotto that would be a good event for me...but a bad outcome is also that thousands of my fellow countrymen would be several dollars poorer. But for me the good far outweighs the bad.

Conspiracy theorists need to apply their "any possible benefit is 100% evidence" algorithm to the other side of the story. I don't think anyone can argue that there is terrorists that want to kill Americans (especially on American soil). The benefit of them flying a plane into buildings is it is definitely going to kill people. There - solid conspiracy theory grade evidence that it was done by terrorists.

And the final part of my rant:
A massive skyscraper collapsing is an almost infinitely complex event. The thoughts of conspiracy theorists as to why they think the building couldn't have collapsed from a plane hit the way it did are completely irrelevant. And for every expert who testifies that it had to have been a controlled demolition there is one that will testify to the opposite. I think this is due to the complexity of the problem...I really don't think anybody knows for sure how the building should have collapsed....so any arguments about the way the building collapsed are useless. The experts don't know for sure what happened so your average Internet conspiracy theorists aren't going to figure it out.

Not sure if this has been said already as I haven't read the whole thread but didn't the buildings fall down because of the way they were made.

As far as I know the sky scrapers were buiilt with a massive metal pole right up the middle supporting the buildings. When the planes crashed, the immense heat from the burning jet fuel melted these poles causing the towers to become incredibly weak resulting in their collapse.

Now if the buildings were built with concrete like the majority in Australia they would have not collapsed.

So the conspiracy theory of "Why did they fall? We are super awesome at making strong buildings" is incorrecet?

They were homegrown terrorists.

They did not travel from Afghanistan on a mission.
This is about 9/11 not other terrorist attacks blamed on 'Al Queda'

Yeah sure whatever. I hope you're stocked up on tin foil in your nuke proof bunker.

I think they mostly fell down because a giant plane crashed into them when it was going really fast

Touché

I think they mostly fell down because a giant plane crashed into them when it was going really fast

I don't understand why this is so hard to comprehend.

There are things called Conspiracies.
All Conspiracies do not add up to one giant Conspiracy.
Conspiracy theories are good because they make us Question things.

This might come as a shock for some ppl but humans are not Altruistic by nature.
They tend to do what benefits them or the ppl they care about or their race/creed/religion and even gender.

Did Kyle poop in the Urinal ?
Does the Authorities want us to think he did ?
Did Kyle take the blame for someone else ?
Was it really a poop ?
Was there a 2nd pooper ?

Truth does not fear investigation.

Do I believe the Americans did it, not at all. I would not at all be surprised if they knew exactly what was going to happen though. Every single government is made up of people so it's bound to be full of liars, bull s***ters, c***s, morons, killers, even more liars, nasty pricks, complete bastards, self serving arse f***ers and lawyers. If it serves their purpose they would rape your mother, film it and then send you a copy if it meant they could make a dollar out of it. What I am saying is don't believe either side as they are both c***s and believe whatever you think is correct. Truth is only a matter of perspective.

The construction of the twin towers was based on a strong central core with a supportive outer shell supporting light-weight, floating floors without pillars.That was the main appeal of the building; giant, open floors. In most high rise buildings, the outer casing (or 'curtain wall' if you want to use the technical term) does not hold any weight. When the planes hit the WTC buildings, they did massive damage to the outer walls of the building. This left the floors clinging to the inner core, which was weakened from Kerosene burning in/around the central shaft. As soon as one floor dropped, the floor below it was having to hold twice as much weight, with weakened support. These two floors would have fallen, dislodging the next floor and so on giving the 'pancake effect' referred to earlier. Whoever brought up the argument about each floor absorbing zero energy is an idiot, as it was the sheer mass of the compacting floors that pulled them down.

If the buildings had been built by traditional means, with cement pillars spread out all over the slab the buildings probably would have stood. They also would have been prohibitively expensive at the time.

As mentioned earlier, Occam's Razor largely dispels the 9/11 conspiracy theories. Believing in a US government-led conspiracy relies on far too many assumptions. While we should never blindly believe anything we are told, it is far more logical and ethical to believe that the 9/11 events were carried out by terrorists rather than the US government. Conspiracy nuts are quick to point out the government's violations of the constitution while ignoring one of the vital concepts of western justice: that a person is innocent until proven guilty. Crackpot theories that have been disproved by experts all over the world hardly constitute proof.

thank you for saying what i said like 2 pages ago

'OMG A BUILDING DOESN"T JUST FALL OVER IF YOU FLY A PLANE INTO IT'

clowns

Just like how a pole doesn't fall over if you crash a car into it?

commonSense--;

http://fi.somethingawful.com/customtitles/title-f***pot.jpg

but slugman? doesnt have a turban and a beard ?

commonSense--;

Careful, running code like that in a 9/11 conspiracy thread might cause an integer overflow.

Too bad we didn't get to hear Booyah's babbling s***.

What can i say.. i know things aren't that exciting when i'm not around but it's a a useless and complete waste of time thread, much like the original poster.

Not really excitement I was after more just looking forward to watching you try and defend your ridiculous position.

Have you answered Trog's questions yet?

This thread is like somebody creating a thread called "Fpot is a rapist and a paedo" and then attacking his attempts to defend himself with personal jabs rather than fact, logic or proper argument.

I'm not saying I agree with the 'truthers', but you're being a c*******. There's plenty of readily-available, structured, persuasive material there to completely unravel most of the conspiracy nuts' claims. Oh well, I guess they deserve it for taking the bait.

There is nothing to unravel, they are simply retarded for thinking there could be a conspiracy in the first place.

Of course there was a conspiracy.

You know what I meant.

I'm not saying I agree with the 'truthers', but you're being a c*******. There's plenty of readily-available, structured, persuasive material there to completely unravel most of the conspiracy nuts' claims. Oh well, I guess they deserve it for taking the bait.

The people in this thread aren't the conspiracy nuts. They are the morons who believe them.

If you care about this or looking at a documentary that no one has debunked yet check out

End game: plan for world domination

they want to turn us into energy batteries, feeding off the electro-chemical impulses generated in our brains by eventually conceiving us in goo-filled pods and harnessing the power to fuel their decadent lifestyles.

talking about end game

what do people on this forum generally think of Alex Jones and Ron Paul?

For me it's Ron Paul that gives these end game typc conspiracies credibility.


I thought this was interesting

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=8vWZTTrceV8

Ron Paul doesn't even give himself credibility.