For those that find them entertaining:

http://www.apple.com/getamac/ads/

Mostly Apple whaling on Vista so it's getting a little old.

Irony, they has it?

Yeah it was funny the first few ads but now they're just getting old..

Mostly Apple whaling on Vista so it's getting a little old.

how could that ever get old? :P

yeah, why isn't it Mac vs Windows, instead of Mac vs PC? Aren't macs personal computers too?

Agree, it's getting really old.

yeah, why isn't it Mac vs Windows, instead of Mac vs PC? Aren't macs personal computers too?

technically true, but you know how it is. It is mac and pc. Here's a somewhat interesting article on why it isn't Mac vs Windows - http://daringfireball.net/2008/09/digging_deeper

technically true, but you know how it is. It is mac and pc.

yep. mactards aren't concerned with technical details... it's all about the vibe & how those numbers make YOU feel :D

Mac ads are like negative political advertising. They rag out on Microsoft instead of focusing on their strengths. Although these current focus more on Mac strengths than their predecessors did, their primary focus is still Bill-bashing.

Windows can justify Vista over mac easily. When was the last time you saw a homo using a pc? never.

But yeah, we get their message, macs aren't generic. they definitely need to move on to something else, like pushing more OS X lovin'.

yep. mactards aren't concerned with technical details...

PC is generic, Mac is a brand. I think that's what it comes down to.

if only macs weren't so gay

Yeah. Someone do an "I'm XCode"/"I'm Visual Studio" and watch XCode get crushed like a pebble. Or "I'm Eclipse on a Mac"/"I'm Eclipse on Windows"... "HOLY s*** WE'RE EXACTLY THE SAME!".

They rag out on Microsoft instead of focusing on their strengths

A Mac has strengths?

I want to create a MMOG that pits the Mac clan against the PC hordes. The Mac clan will be much lower in number and so will have to use their supposed superior intellect and whit to defeat the vast number of opponents from the PC horde.

(copyright 2008 - me)

A Mac has strengths?

eMac certainly did - Aerodynamic. Great for when you drop it out a window.

i find vista to have very few porlbmes

"Hay guyz, Micro$oft has started spending money advertising Windoze! Lets pay them out for it with an advert!"

I want to see a PC ad where some guy is playing games, using music software etc.. and the poor mac guy is sitting their waiting 10 minutes for his browser to load.

So does every one hate Macs now? is that the new cool?

If so, macs are gay.

I suspect many Mac owners also extol the virtues of their Prius while sipping their latte and sitting crosslegged on their Himalayan prayer rug tsking at global warming and reading about Bono's latest exploits in a recent copy of "Children of the New Age" magazine.


But I hear they're good for music and animation...

Gonna get yelled at and called a noob but why can't you run windows on a mac machine? and vis versa?

i find vista to have very few porlbmes

...

Greazy you can run windows on a mac. But you cant run leopard/whatever mac OS on windows.

So does every one hate Macs now? is that the new cool?

I don't hate Macs, I hate Apple.

Greazy you can run windows on a mac. But you cant run leopard/whatever mac OS on windows.

First off, I don't see why you'd want to run OS X "on" Windows, but you're mistaken if you think that OS X doesn't run on the x86 architecture. As far as hardware goes, Windows PCs and Mac PCs are identical. All you need is to patch out the bulls*** protection that Apple puts on OS X which prevents it from installing on a non-official Mac PC, and away it goes.

I've had OS X installed on my PC alongside Vista and Ubuntu, no issues at all. This is yet another reason why I hate Apple. They'd have a whooooole lot more marketshare if they'd take their heads out of their arses and let people install their OS on whatever computer they want, just like every other operating system manufacturer does.

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Ah, but if they unlocked Mac OS, the vast and varied hardware profiles would probably make Mac OS less stable - "Why doesn't Mac OS run properly with my Voodoo2 and Cyrix processor?"

Not to mention that they make their profits off the hardware they sell.

http://users.bigpond.net.au/ritsuko/macvspc.gif

How do macbooks compare to laptops for price/specs? Are they about the same price for equivalent speed/memory/storage space or what? I know laptops are way more expensive than desktops already so lets leave desktops out of this comparison.

The most important question is: does mac os come with minesweeper?

Virtual Machines FTW.

The only thing they aren't good for is games, and for that you need Windows. Game over.

I just looked at the au mac store and they want $4999 for a 17" macbook pro, dell want $3771 for one I customized to be pretty similar to the macbook with the exception of having 2x 512mb 8800GTX video cards and bigger hard drive space by 200gig. Why are macs so expensive? On a side note, does anywhere in south brisbane order these dells for you coz I don't buy stuff without seeing it first and I'm aroused by the dell I've just seen :)

just jump on the mac bandwagon ffs.

Whoop - Apple is form over function. This is no secret.

A Toyota Corolla and a BMW X5 can both drive you from point A to point B...

i find working on a mac much neater where you can go from window to window so much easier and do stuff (i sit in command line most of the time) but still i dont htink ill ever have on as a main pc at home

Windows can justify Vista over mac easily. When was the last time you saw a homo using a pc? never.

The last time I read a post by maxe/nf/flagger etc

anyway macs are alright, their advertising is getting a bit tired but I switched to mac (at home) and I won't be going back, it's worked really quite well for me over the past 12 months

That said I've never tried vista at all, I got out before I was 'required' to upgrade

I bought a new Alu MacBook the other day. First thing I did was install Vista Ultimate and Office 2008 on it.

TAKE THAT APPLE!!!!#!`!@

you already paid for the macos

i find working on a mac much neater where you can go from window to window so much easier and do stuff (i sit in command line most of the time) but still i dont htink ill ever have on as a main pc at home

You like how moving between windows is easier yet sit in a command prompt most of the time? That's like saying you enjoy sexual encounters with females much more but stick to guy on guy action most of the time.

How is going from window to window on a mac easier than it is on a PC? I've never used a mac so if they have some awesome mind control interface then that's pretty cool I guess.

I bought a new Alu MacBook the other day. First thing I did was install Vista Ultimate and Office 2008 on it.

TAKE THAT APPLE!!!!#!`!@

Yeh, giving the money and making it so they don't have to support you because you gave Microsoft money for a redundant operating system will sure show them!@#

If they didn't want you to install Windows, why would they advertise it?
http://images.apple.com/au/macosx/features/images/bootcamp_hero20071016.png

But if you're using Windows as your primary OS after getting a macbook... shame! That's like, the equivalent of going into the future and bringing back a laptop with Windows 2020 (could possibly be on par with Leopard? Actually, when considering how long it took Microsoft to get to Vista from XP...) - installing and using Vista instead.

anyone having problems loading those ads? doesnt seem to want to load :(

They'd have a whooooole lot more marketshare if they'd take their heads out of their arses and let people install their OS on whatever computer they want, just like every other operating system manufacturer does.

Apple are a hardware company.

Apple are a hardware company.

Apple stopped being a hardware company a long time ago... Sure they 'make' hardware but it isn't about simply that anymore...

Apple are a hardware company.

I was under the impression that they use Intel CPUs and nVidia GPUs. With regards to their computers, what hardware do they manufacture themselves?

anyone having problems loading those ads? doesnt seem to want to load :(

Yeah they wouldn't play for me, they're all on youtube though.

Their revenue is centred around selling the complete package. It's pretty obvious that selling OS X standalone isn't going to happen. Everyone would just pirate it anyway; and people who install it on whatever system will surely have compatibility issues, and of course running on cheap, unreliable hardware... it's just not Apple. Apple's industrial design and build quality is as good as it gets, and they control the experience from end-to-end. The result of this is today, an Apple laptop is the best computer you can buy. That's all there is to it. If the price isn't right for you, don't get one.

Also, it's not like Mac and PC can't co-exist... when next-gen games come out that interest me I'll probably get a cheap Windows gaming box. (my macbook pro is faster than my previous gaming box for anything I want to play now)

1. Mac vs PC campaign starts poking fun at bland old PC/Vista

2. Microsoft runs expensive advertising campaigns that fail (Jerry Seinfeld; "I'm a PC" which acknowledges Apple's ad campaign treating it as dominant, when it really represents a tiny marketshare)

3. Mac vs PC continues, now Ballmer has made it clear how skittish he is about Apple by jumping in to expensive marketing that has failed, leaving Apple open to lay down the smack, and confirm that Vista really is a joke.

It's pretty obvious that selling OS X standalone isn't going to happen.

You can already buy Mac OS X standalone: bink

Apple's industrial design and build quality is as good as it gets

as good as it gets!!!#@! not even a little room left for improvement? no. it's perfect.

heh.

it's all about the vibe you get from it, amirite farseeker ?

Cmon, the ambiguity isn't that bad is it? :P

As good as it gets - you won't find better
Standalone - without a mac purchase

Too right

it's just that typically when someone is a frothing fanboy they would say it more like 'apples r teh best evaaaahhhh!!!1' that's what threw me ;D

Cmon, the ambiguity isn't that bad is it? :P

As good as it gets - you won't find better
Standalone - without a mac purchase

That is standalone, without a Mac purchase, isn't it? At least I can add it into my cart and check out with it.

hahaha... Oh man. I mean you need to have given hardware money to the Apple money pile. I blame posting from my iPhone.. :P

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I hate Apple Ipod's..

All the fanboyism aside, what I don't get is, how can Apple, a smaller company could produce and sell a very good quality OS cheaper than Microsoft behemoth?. Not only Apple made it cheaper but the turn around time is faster....

Surely a company the size of Microsoft with that much market share, and a massive pile of loot, it should be the opposite?


Discuss.

OS X has been in development for like 10 years so not sure what you mean?

Apple's industrial design and build quality is as good as it gets...

...

The result of this is today, an Apple laptop is the best computer you can buy. That's all there is to it.

So nice to finally see an unbiased and credible pro-Apple post that simply and modestly points out their good points while not sounding one bit arrogant or oblique. I salute you sir.

l.o.l

It continues to accelerate as Windows just hangs around being ordinary. Tiger's like 3 years old and it's more advanced than vista*, and there's a new major update every two years.

I think it has a lot to do with OS X being well built, and based on solid open source projects.. It's like Linux but done professionally for sexy outcome => profit.

Just for you Farseeker:



I love Snuff Box...

All the fanboyism aside, what I don't get is, how can Apple, a smaller company could produce and sell a very good quality OS cheaper than Microsoft behemoth?. Not only Apple made it cheaper but the turn around time is faster....

Because they have control over what hardware it runs on. Windows has to support every bizarre combination of hardware and software you can think of.

Precisely.

And no, Vista isn't the main OS on the system - I installed it to do some work testing and crap. And then found out today that they are removing mail access to all but approved Dell pos laptops they supply.

So soon I'll be getting another free laptop to sit in the corner, gathering dust as a mail client.

Haha, thanks kos.

So nice to finally see an unbiased and credible pro-Apple post that simply and modestly points out their good points while not sounding one bit arrogant or oblique.

Haha. So being opinionated = arrogance? yeah you're right. It's all so straight-forward though. clearly not as obvious as i think it is ey?

Two years ago I started using a powerbook and stopped using my p4 because it was clear that everything was just the way it should be. better apps, more responsive, less messing around, more stuff just working.. close the lid and it sleeps, open it up and you're back where you were in seconds, 100% stable. yet it's all unix under the hood so it's still troubleshoot-able, and pretty much anything you do in linux is possible.

Then the industrial design and build quality.. also straight-forward. no other consumer electronics comes close.

End-to-end awesomeness, the way a computer should be; rather than being stuck in 2001.

Hope that's more objective for you. I should make a list.

Two years ago I started using a powerbook and stopped using my p4 because it was clear that everything was just the way it should be. better apps, more responsive, less messing around, more stuff just working.. close the lid and it sleeps, open it up and you're back where you were in seconds, 100% stable. yet it's all unix under the hood so it's still troubleshoot-able, and pretty much anything you do in linux is possible.

Then the industrial design and build quality.. also straight-forward. no other consumer electronics comes close.

My Dell 121- does all those things, except for the Unix under the hood part, unless I've booted into Ubuntu. I'm pretty happy with this thing. Sure, it doesn't look sexy, but it's an awesome piece of hardware, and that's all I care about!

Yeah, good stuff.

Windows really does plain suck though. no improvement since 2001. If you're happy it's all good.. I couldn't go back mostly because I'm spoilt by all the mac apps that are just better. And the general workflows and conventions make a whole lot more sense to me now than Windows.. and the system in general, excellent memory management.. and the next OS will release will have tasks able to be offloaded to the gpu. And resolution independence is sure to be on the way. Windows has a lot of catching up to do. Are Windows laptops no longer terrible at coming out of standby?

It's the little things that all add up to greatness. I clearly think Apple deserve more market-share and respect for their products - they should be a hugely positive influence in the industry.

Mine comes out pretty quick.

I used my now-ex-girlfriend's Macbook quite a bit over the last year or so. While I thought a lot of it was awesome, I had no less problems than I would have expected with a Windows box - actually if anything I'd say I had more, because I was using it so much less than I was Windows boxes.

Regular application freezes - particularly in Firefox - were a problem (although I think I read that one of the big FF3.0 features was significantly improved Mac support). The hard disk died after about 3-4 months, necessitating a 10 day wait while it was repaired/replaced. The case also seemed to have some warpage, perhaps due to heat - there was a small gap (only 2-3mm) on the right hand front top seam).

Apple's market share is taking off largely because I think they're the cool thing to own at the moment, plus they also get a lot of tech cred because they're really good. Possibly also because people like me are advising family and friends to get them - because I know nothing about them when they call me for tech support I can just say "sorry, I don't know anything about Macs", and hope they forget it was me that recommended it.

I'll consider one for my next laptop but I'm unlikely to go that route. I've spent most of the last 10-15 years learning what I know about Windows and Linux and can't be assed learning a whole new system that doesn't really offer me anything that I can't get on Windows/Linux.

What do you mean by industrial design Farseeker? I've seen more macbook pro's fail than dell or HP laptops. While they might be designed in a neat way I dont think they are built well, theyre quite fragile.

It's not really any surprise to me anymore that you can't see how you come across Farseeker, but I will try to explain it once again.

Just as with Macs, it's the vibe of what you say that is the most arrogant, the fact that you make broad comments like "Windows really does plain suck though. no improvement since 2001." when you obviously have no idea. Nothing you say about Macs, or Windows for that matter, I haven't already heard from Apple ads or keynote speeches - the scary part being that it's mostly word for word.

It's funny that you can't help yourself in adding comments like "if you're happy it's all good". These comments clearly come from the arrogant attitude that you believe you're in a perfect place and that if other people are willing to settle for second best and not know exactly as you do then that's fine, it doesn't affect you. What's even funnier about it is that it's exactly the same kind of comment you made when trying to argue your case for being a strong Christian. To be honest, for me this just reinforces comments often made about apple being like a cult, in that it provides a smug sense of self-satisfaction and attempts to pull a shroud over your eyes so that you only see what they want you to see and in the light they want you to see it.


It may interest you to hear that windows laptops no longer suck at coming out of 'standby' (now sleep in vista, and much improved over xp), they really behave no differently to Macs in this regard. It may also interest you to know that, just as with trog, I have all the benefits that you listed, including dual booting into linux. Additionally, I fail to see how an O/S is only troubleshootable if it's got 'unix under the hood'.

Yeah macbooks have great sleepmode. You close the lid and the only way to turn it back on is to cold boot it. Mind you these are failing laptops that do it but why would something as simple as this break.

Kos, I'm not sure why you feel so strongly about what I have to say. You're making negative assumptions about me that I don't think are entirely fair.

I honestly think Apple makes better hardware and software with a better philosophy. I also honestly mean that if you're happy it's all good. I've been into tech stuff for most of my life, mostly windows. I've recommended windows laptops recently; this isnt an all or nothing sort of thing. my only bias is that I have found mac stuff better. I'm not telling you this is how to think, I'm just giving my opinion, not watering it down. I enjoy the discussion.

Just like my view as a Christian. I've been visiting these forums for many years... Since i was 12? Im now 21... Oh s***, time to leave for good... Anyway.... If I had my fingers in my ears about what people believe and why, only believing that I hold the truth and stubbornly refusing to listen to what people say, I'm pretty sure this would be the wrong mob to hang around with. I do think it takes more faith to believe that this all exists by coincidence than by a creator. I do think the historical event of Jesus Christ shouldn't be ignored. I think everyone screws up often, and 'religion' is a completely wrong concept. This is being opinionated. It's ok. I'm not telling you how to think.

And that's what I like to call thread de-railment :P i

can't quote sorry, no copypaste on my iPhone.. Damnit :P

By industrial design I mean the materials used, how their products are designed to be sexy, lightweight/strong; and also the attention to detail in their assembly. One thing I'm disappointed with is the click feel of the new macbooks trackpad. It just feels wrong. It's the sort of detail Apple usually gets right.

My dads PowerBook, my macbook pro, my girlfriends, her sisters, the 7 macbooks at work - the only hardware issues have been two hard disk failures. Which is pretty much something that happens. All just work. Reliable sleeping, getting stuff done the "stuff just working" way. I'm not saying it's 100% perfect and hardware doesn't fail, that's impossible. It's just as good as it gets ;)

Kos, did I say unix has to exist for a computer to be troubleshootable? (made up words rock) it means if you have to, you can go geek-mode and investigate low-level issues, even though it is hidden from you most of the time.

It's not your opinion that I have the problem with, it's the way you present it. I'd feel a lot less inclined to comment in the way I have if it wasn't presented with "facts" such as 'Windows really does plain suck though. no improvement since 2001.' (aka falsehoods) and loaded, empty sentences like 'It continues to accelerate as Windows just hangs around being ordinary.' (which essentially means nothing... what is accelerating? by what measurement? and in comparison to what?). I apologise if you think I judged you harshly, but as this is indeed a discussion, what you say and how you say it is all I have to go by.

Personally I agree with your opinion on the industrial design and build quality of Macs, however I don't believe that they are more reliable hardware-wise. The fact that Apple are always quick to cover up negative publicity and problems also resonates here. That said, I have always admired their philosophy of not compromising on quality and materials in order to lower prices.

Not sure what you're referring to with regards to the click feel of the trackpad, but I really have to say that the touchpad is the one thing I'm totally jealous of on Mac laptops. The oversized one on the MacBook Air especially is just such a pleasure to use.

I have no doubt that there are virtually no compatibility or setup issues with software and hardware (or 'it just works' in apple-speak), however the lack of choice in hardware that this is a result of is not something I am prepared to accept as sacrifice.

Kos, did I say unix has to exist for a computer to be troubleshootable?

I suppose technically you didn't, however the way it reads I think it's very easy to interpret you as saying that...

that's cool kos. Now you're plain calling me on things you see as misconceptions/inaccurate. Wish I had time to respond.

haha a 21yr old christian

Look I'm not totally opposed to Mac, I fact I would consider getting one if it weren't so expensive for a basic Web browsing, document editing etc. The only thing is as Farseeker pointed out they're not in that market space. They put price premium on everything (to me regardless of whether it's justify or not) that's pretty much what puts me off.

And then you'd get stuck in the whole apple only eco system where everything has a price premium. It just doesn't make sense to me. But hey it's working for them, they've smashed their last quarterly financial target where as other companies are struggling in this difficult economic time. Though whether their successful run will continue is remain to be seen as the consumer spending slows down to a grinding halt.

I read this interesting quote from S.Job during his rare financial phone conference with analysis yesterday,

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10072393-37.html

He also thinks Apple has unique customers, at least as compared to the competition. "I wouldn't trade our customers for any other customers in the world. We have the smartest, most product-aware customers in the world, and while they might postpone purchases in hard times, they're not going to abandon us. (They'll) delay (rather) than switch.

I think you wouldn't really get that kind of brand loyalty in the generic PC world. I guess Apple fanboyism is alive and well eh Fareseeker? :) Many company would kill for that kind of brand loyalty, something to admire Apple as a company for sure. What I think will be even more interesting is that what will happen to Apple when Job leaves. Even more than Bill Gates, I think he is "Apple". Will this it destroyed the brand loyalty ? We'll wait and see, there's a lot of rumours that he'll be stepping down pretty soon.

Maybe this sort of debate may not be necessary in the future when Apple become just another "bland" PC :).

I think you wouldn't really get that kind of brand loyalty in the generic PC world. I guess Apple fanboyism is alive and well eh Fareseeker? :) Many company would kill for that kind of brand loyalty, something to admire Apple as a company for sure.

Except for the fact that most people that are buying macs aren't buying them because they appreciate their technical awesomness under the hood or for any reason that actually makes them a discriminating computer user. They're buying them because of "oooh, shiny".

Quite a few tech-types are buying them now for good reasons, which is great - but I think the vast majority of Mac owners are from the shiny camp.

I bought my girlfriends mac for the 'ooh shiny' traits, I ended up using it a fair bit (she broke my dell) and eventually bought myself one because I loved it

I actually use its bsd core quite a lot and it makes my life a lot easier

I've been a Windows fanboy ever since getting our first computer. I'd always held the view that why would I get a Mac if I can do more on a PC? In fact, my mate put Tiger on my old iPod a while ago, booted it up, and had nothing to do on it. So I formatted it back to an iPod.

Forward a year later, I've gotten over PC gaming, just don't get the time. Have a quite large and quite loud black box of Vista which was awesome for gaming (i.e. 8800GTS, lotsoram etc) but I just didn't need it.

And the noise was f***ing annoying. Can't concentrate on anything with a bunch of loud fans running in the background...

So I just sold my gaming rig and got a Mac mini. And its now my only computer. Its only 2GHz Duo with 2Gb RAM and an Intel onboard video card but its all I need. Ever since booting it up the first, everything has been very stable and straight forward. I've had a few problems with getting Time Machine working but that's all now working fine and was just things I had done incorrectly. I don't think I've actually had one problem with my Mac. Leopard is a very mature, stable and well presented operating system. When you load a program, it works as you expect. If you want to open a photo in Photoshop or to upload to a website, the open file dialog has all your iPhoto albums neatly placed in its own submenu, not to mention I'm now developing an app for the iPhone on my Mac. If you want to uninstall an app, you just delete the application from Finder. Done. No registry, no installer caches, just a big app folder with everything it needs in it that acts as a file.

But the speed of my Mac (nothing compared to my gaming beast) is overcome by how well everything integrates and operates on the Mac. And Time Machine is one of the easiest and most well implemented backup solutions I've ever used.

On Windows, I used to have a bunch of briefcases sitting on my backup drive. Thats all well and good but it required me to manually update them and also, there was no file change history and was just a s*** way of backing up.

With Time Machine you just turn it on. And watch it go and backup everything then when you need something from a few days ago its there in Time Machine waiting to be restored. Simple.

I have to go into Windows to do some things that don't run on Wine (such as dvd decrypter) but thats about it. Everything just makes so much more sense on Leopard.

The Mac Mini ended up being more expensive than I thought (with some upgrades) but I don't regret spending the extra money on it cause the user experience compared to Windows is light-years ahead.

too left.

Haha forum pwnage

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/4969/78944622ws1.jpg

Kos, did I say unix has to exist for a computer to be troubleshootable?

I suppose technically you didn't, however the way it reads I think it's very easy to interpret you as saying that...

Got to admit as much as I <3 farseeker for introducing me to qgl lans I read it the same way, it's troubleshootable because its linux. Granted you can edit a bunch of system files on linux and recompile drivers/kernels to fix issues but can you still do that sort of thing under mac osses? I'd have thought messing about with the source code would be something Apple would frown upon, if this is indeed the case and sources/drivers are closed and only installable as binary modules I see this being no different to editing system ini files or installing 3rd party or "hacked" drivers under windows to fix issues usually until the original makers of the drivers themselves release a fix or to add compatibility to older hardware because the manufacturers have discontinued support.

I haven't read all the comments here, but thought I'd throw in my 2 cents ;)

I've never been a serious PC user, but was gamer until about 5 years ago. Now all I use computers for is word processing, internet and media. I bought an uber Dell PC about 6 months ago loaded with Vista, and it's just been plain horrible for what I want to do. I regret not getting a Mac, because I just don't need Vista for anything. A Mac would have been far more convenient for what I use computers for... and I'm guessing that's why a lot of people prefer Macs. They keep things simple.

I love people who think the ads are the ducks nuts, and therefore, buy macs.

I often tell my dad even though the VB ads are usually well done and entertaining, I'd prefer to drink a bucket of cow sperm than drink VB. Same thing.

i dont understand though billy how if you have problems with your os, you havent fixed them?

what sort of porlbems?

That's the thing - I don't know enough about computers to be able to fix s*** on Vista without 6 hours of trying. Eg. I posted that thread a while back about how I couldn't get anythign connected to the internet... and it took me a whole day to just work out that I changed global windows internet settings by using Chrome... see I'm a noob. Another example... I could not work out how the hell to stop that f***ing dialogue box from opening every time I try to install/run a new program. Then, when I turned it off, there were other hassles, so I ended up just turning it back on. How do I stop my PC from resetting every time an update gets installed??

I'm too noob for Vista - I think a Mac would be much more suited to me.

even though the VB ads are usually well done and entertaining, I'd prefer to drink a bucket of cow sperm than drink VB.

quoted for awesomeness

I got a laptop recently with Vista and so far it hasn't been bad at all. The ALT-Tab feature is the win. Much better than how it was on XP.

ButI get where Billy is coming from. I hate spending time trying to fix s*** on the computer. I don't need fancy bells and whistles (except the fancy Alt-Tab) I just want the thing to work, reliably.

In saying that, I dunno if Macs are more reliable and easier to use, but that seems to be the general consensus.

I was interested in a Macbook until I realised they were twice the price of a Windows machine that does what I need it to do.

Oooh another thing I thought of (again a problem becuase I'm a noob who hates spending hours trying to do things that should only take 2 minutes): When I'm looking at a site that has videos, I want to be able to click on the link and have the videos open in windows media player... that should be so simple!! But after trying and trying and trying I can't even get that to work:(

theres not a problem you could have, that someone else hasnt already had and solved:

google it:

lol i've tried and failed! It's probably something that I'm doing wrong - but that's the point - Mac's seem to work much more seamlessly :O

Oooh another thing I thought of (again a problem becuase I'm a noob who hates spending hours trying to do things that should only take 2 minutes): When I'm looking at a site that has videos, I want to be able to click on the link and have the videos open in windows media player... that should be so simple!! But after trying and trying and trying I can't even get that to work:(

A Mac won't fix that. For sure.

The Mac "it just works" campaign is only valid because 90% of what people do these days is in a browser. As soon as you try to do anything remotely complicated (ie, not supported by the default apps) you're going to run into the same problems - probably worse cuz its a bit of a different experience and you don't have the familiarity of Windows there.

Also, I'm sure I told you to get XP :P

<3 you too whoop ;)

The Mac "it just works" campaign is valid because stuff just works. They've persisted with their design philosophy, stuff is mature, the 90% use-case is as good as it gets and then some. Some of the best apps being made are os x exclusive. OS X's time has come :>

A Mac won't fix that. For sure.

The Mac "it just works" campaign is only valid because 90% of what people do these days is in a browser. As soon as you try to do anything remotely complicated (ie, not supported by the default apps) you're going to run into the same problems - probably worse cuz its a bit of a different experience and you don't have the familiarity of Windows there.

Also, I'm sure I told you to get XP :P

I don't want to do anything remotely complicated! I just want to sit back and watch movies and listen to music and browse the web:)

A Mac won't fix that. For sure.

The Mac "it just works" campaign is only valid because 90% of what people do these days is in a browser. As soon as you try to do anything remotely complicated (ie, not supported by the default apps) you're going to run into the same problems - probably worse cuz its a bit of a different experience and you don't have the familiarity of Windows there.

Also, I'm sure I told you to get XP :P

I don't want to do anything remotely complicated! I just want to sit back and watch movies and listen to music and browse the web:)

well now you have an iphone and an ipod touch, one for each hand - why do you even need a PC?!

OS X's time has come :>

I don't want to do anything remotely complicated! I just want to sit back and watch movies and listen to music and browse the web:)

People are starting to actively want to be able to do less with their PC's, OS X's time truly has come.

I'd say for people just starting with computers that macs may be a better choice, if purely for the shiny factor.

However I have been using PCs for years, and recently have been using macs in uni labs. While I enjoy features such as explore, I found them to have just as many if not more bugs than the PC I use at home, and what was worse was that I had no idea how to fix them, unlike when using my home PC.

I never upgraded to vista because of the horror stories I heard from friends, so I'm sitting happy on my XP PC, able to both work and play without any major issues, unlike trying to procrastinate on the macs at uni.

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I came to this thread hoping to get some new information on why I should buy a Mac... though only really found out they are well built and user friendly.

I am still going to buy my MacBook Pro purely because I will be using it for music production and djing. I have used both PC and Mac for this and PC just doesn't compare to the smoothness of the Mac when I am playing and producing music.

I don't think I have seen one producer yet come up to the decks with a PC and try to produce/play on the Logic or Ableton softwares.

Mac for Media! PC for... databasing?

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well now you have an iphone and an ipod touch, one for each hand - why do you even need a PC?!

I think Trog is jealous of his sibling (again)

Hardware: The best Mac hardware is not better build quality than the best many competitor offers. What differs is Apple eliminated (or never had) the "cheap and nasty" end of their product line up. If you imagine a product range going from cheap and nasty to expensive and awesome, the Apple difference is they simply don't make stuff at the cheap end.

Software: OSX as a piece of software is better than any version of Windows, period.

Platform: Windows has way more software than OSX.


QGL is full of tech users, so its no surprise that most people here have "Platform" as their most important criteria.


PS. You can pry linux desktop from my cold, dead hands.

I think Trog is jealous of his sibling (again)

Yeah, cause there is so much to be jealous of... especially the bounce of his hair as he walks across the classroom.

Reading you describe it like that has made me Jizz-in-my-pants.

Mac for Media! PC for... databasing?

Really, these days you can just go Mac for Mac OS X, Mac for Windows and thus Mac for Games (though you'll still need the GPU/RAM upgraded). So essentially just buy a Mac...

Software: OSX as a piece of software is better than any version of Windows, period.

+1

But also, Mac is a brand. Mac is a standard of quality. You know that cheapest Mac is still going to run very stable. Even if its not the fastest hardware (such as Mac mini).

Hardware: The best Mac hardware is not better build quality than the best many competitor offers. What differs is Apple eliminated (or never had) the "cheap and nasty" end of their product line up. If you imagine a product range going from cheap and nasty to expensive and awesome, the Apple difference is they simply don't make stuff at the cheap end.

Build quality of the new mbp unibody is phenomenal, its just solid, no other laptop compares.

And I've yet to see a consumer competitor put out something that gets close to a spec'd up mac pro in both specs and system build. The case on the mac pro is 1000000x better than any PC case I've ever had including Lian Li.