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Topic: Crap Job
gimpy
Posts: 335
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Anyone f***ing loath their job??

I need to get this out so I don't resign, so try not to flame me too much.

I'm good at what I do, I'm just really bored and unfulfilled. Basically I've done sys admin for about 6 years and I guess I've made it, but I just don't like it anymore. If I wasn't in so much debt, I'd be content to work for crap money and do something else.

I'm just so sick and tired of explaining s*** to people and having unrealistic deadlines and a boss riding my ass all day long because his boss is riding his ass because his boss is a prick, and blah blah blah, IT'S ALL GAY ASS RIDING CRAP.

It's time to dust off the resume and look for a new job isn't it? I'm obviously not happy.
system
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Khel
Posts: 10643
Location: Wynnum, Queensland
It might be time to look at a whole different career path if being a sys admin makes you that miserable. Even if you go and get another job somewhere else doing the same thing you're doing now, do you really think things are going to end up any different?
Spook
Posts: 14624
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
that sux
u spend so much time at work, its important for you not to hate your job

i couldnt love my job more if i tried
sure, it has ugly patches (nearly getting fired, stressful amounts of work)
but most of the time its totally aweosme

im a computer porgrammer (give us a kiss perl)

operator
Posts: 51
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
i love perl. it makes my job fun also.
Tollaz0r!
Posts: 6849
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Hell yer, Ditch that job you have while getting a differnt one. Sucks to be in debt though, makes it hard to enjoy life ;D
gimpy
Posts: 336
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I guess the problem is, it used to be awesome and I loved it but now it's like a bad trip that never ends. It's lost it's magic.

I don't really know what else I'd like to do that is realistic. I think I'd be a good stand up comedian because people like to laugh at me :) But being a comic would be hard. That being said, maybe I need a challenge to make life exciting. I could see myself being an actor or a guitarist too. All careers which most people are scared of doing because it's hard to make it in show business. hehe

Being a sys admin I feel is a soft option for me. I'm just killing time waiting for my free time and pay cheques, which I just piss up anyway.

I figure there has to be something better. The 6 years I've spent were okay, but if I keep doing this s*** I'm going to lose it, if I haven't already.
Opec
Posts: 3511
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Get a new job somewhere else? Perhaps it's not the actualy sys admin job that's a problem but the place you work for.

But I wouldn't go back and do sys admin job again... unless my livelihood depends on it.
CHUB
Posts: 1165
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I don't really know what else I'd like to do that is realistic. I think I'd be a good stand up comedian because people like to laugh at me :) But being a comic would be hard. That being said, maybe I need a challenge to make life exciting. I could see myself being an actor or a guitarist too. All careers which most people are scared of doing because it's hard to make it in show business. hehe
If you really want to do it... go for it... but have a backup.

I was doing civil engineering, because that's what my dad wanted me to do. I was excellent at maths/physics and it was piss easy, but I hated it. I dropped out and decided to study music, best decision I've made :D Even though those engineers end up with quite a bit of money.
koopz
Posts: 5435
Location: Queensland
google up the personality analysis thingy that Obes posted awhile back.


you're probably in your ideal job gimpy - just working for a pack of carns.


*edit* speeling


last edited by koopz at 13:29:26 27/Sep/05
eXemplar
Posts: 1261
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
saw this on /., probably worth a read on a similar topic,

http://www2.thefabricator.com/Articles/Fabricating_Exclusive.cfm?ID=917
Obes
Posts: 3618
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
You have a few options.
1. Accept any job is a job and that becuase it is a job it will never be fun. If you enjoyed it, people wouldn't pay you for it.
2. Quit and try to live off the public purse. Unrealistic if you enjoy anything other then ciggies and sitting at a poker machine.
3. Win the lotto then do a job as a hobby.
4. Quit and become a student, only works for a little while and eventually you will have to do something else and you'll realize whatever you jsut spent all the time studying for is just as crappy as anything else, becuase it is still a job.
5. Get drunk. Note you can do this step while in the process of all the other steps.

IMO Unless you are truely outstanding at something, if you enjoy it they won't pay you for it.

gimpy
Posts: 337
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I guess the fact I completely agree with every symptom in the 2nd section 'Are You Burning Out?'

haha, except 20. It's totally worth the effort!
and 21. I play WoW, same thing I guess..

Thanks for the link, explains it perfectly and the cause is fitting too. Guess I'll have to start working on the 8 paths to personal power.. hehe
spidz
Posts: 9008
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
i wouldn't say 'i enjoy my job' in the sense that i wouldn't rather be doing something else than working. but as far as 'work' goes I reckon my job is ok.
Fuknukle
Posts: 3732
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
hah i just quit my job yesterday in a fit of rage after 2.5 happy years(harvey norman-indooroopilly)
similar reasons.

im usually clear minded and tame, but lately ive turned into a monster and had enough,
the new boss was being a c*** saying stuff like;

"i dont like u and i dont like your ideas" -said to a dude in techbay who quit last week
"change your attitude, dont ask questions about flexirent in front of others" -said to another salesperson asking genuine questions involving flexirent which is a finance option which makes us a absolute fukload of money, both salesperson and boss

"if i want your opinion i'll ask for it, i know what queensland is like ive been here for over a month" -said to me after a friendly comment, i later pulled him and the 2ic into the office for a yelling match
"you have no right to question anything that goes on here, dont question anything, u work for me, do as i say, your opinion is worthless" -said to me yesterday morning after a lil confrontation with the 2ic regaurding coming in for 30minute meetings every single morning unpaid. all they are about now days is simply talking about yesterdays figures and what magical figure we're trying to do today..
that resulted in me quiting right there and then on the spot.

tis a long and boring story involving this new boss(francisee) and the "whole staff" being treated like they know nothing and have no thoughts of worth. alot of good ppl demoted. the old 2ic had a pay cut of $20,000.. he ran the store all by himself and thats the love he gets.

BOYCOTT HARVEY NORMAN INDOOROOPILLY!!!!!
all the boss cares about is figures, doesnt care what u get sold just pushes staff to sell everything.
this goes against every bone in my body, my job in my eyes was to help a customer get the right solution/product for their pericular problem. wether that meant sending the customer to a different store if we didnt have the stock and couldnt get it in etc, or letting them know every single option including the cheaper options.

not keep trying to sell the most expensive items that we currently have and in some cases tricking the customer into paying more than they need to or should.

now bear in mind i dont just quit jobs willy nilly, ive never quit a job without having another one to goto. ive always(still do) that quiting a job just because u dont like it is retarded and completly girlish. there is a whole lot more to this story tho.

last edited by Fuknukle at 14:10:38 27/Sep/05
stinky
Posts: 1035
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
oh no! how will you afford your new tyres for LCP ? :(
demon
Posts: 1720
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
eek! After reading fuknukles post ... I have nothing to complain about with my job :/ But yeh I still feel gympy's pain... I've been in my job for just over 15years now X_x & have more or less specialised myself into a corner. If I were to quit & find another job I'd need to find one that is pretty much identical due to the specialisation... or get a much lower paying job.
So I guess even though i'm bored with my job... I accept it coz boredom is better than low pay imo. Also... having worked 15years in the same company has a lot of perks! Being so experienced at my job I can complete big jobs a lot faster than administrative people think.. therefore they over-budget my time giving me lots of time to bludge on forums & so forth! :D I'd probably get a real shock to the system if I changed to a job where I had to work hard all day! :P
Fuknukle
Posts: 3733
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
i have $2000 saved which will pay for em.

im just gonna get 2 cooper stt's which will go on the back. the ones that come off will be my 2 spares :)

$254 for each tyre and $60 for each wheel
so 2 of each
SD Gundam
Posts: 3111
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Install Linux on your servers it will magic all you problems away.
Dopefish
Posts: 1126
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
save up some cash take a holiday and then see what you wanna do.
XeK
Posts: 640
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
must be something in the air, i felt like quitting today. im meant to moving out in a couple months but i was ready to just chuck in the towel this morning and leave next week. i dont recommend working with family. especially if you live with them.
Skitza
Posts: 6812
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I'm going against the grain and I like my job :)
whoop
Posts: 9150
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
we need a qgl job swap where we all get together and swap jobs with each other. Kind of like that homo wife swapping show. We could turn it into a reality show and make enough to BUY anz and host another qgl!
gimpy
Posts: 338
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
That'd be fun, anyone a pornstar?

Oh yeah, in those wife swap shows, do they sleep with the other person's wife? Cause that'd be kinda kinky.
Spook
Posts: 14629
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
wife swapping?
i would like to swap my wife for some car parts
or if anyone else has a hawt wife (im looking at you spidz)
id go that swap also
Tyrone
Posts: 197
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
talking about sys admin jobs and qgl. i got my job from here. someone posted a tech needed for a school and now a work for catholic education brisbane at a fue schools. so thanks to qgl and the tech the posted the job vacany.
spidz
Posts: 9014
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
nothing wrong with your mrs spook - i'll take her for a week, does she cook?
Spook
Posts: 14636
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
she does
TicMan
Posts: 287
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Before you quit, make sure you punch the boss's boss in the c*** and then slap him around the chops.

If your not going to do it for yourself, at least do it for me.
HeardY
Posts: 12707
Location: Sydney, New South Wales
I am very angsty towards my job at the moment, I've been led up the garden path for the past year with regards to moving into a project management role. So we've had some staff retention 'dramas' I've taken on a 'mangement' role within my section coz I am the one with the f***load of knowledge (hence the reasoning to go work on project to streamline/make s*** more efficient)

but yeh, I am doing a 'manager' job as well as my old job at the moment until we 'back fill' for my old job... been doing farken long hours tho :(

I live 1 hour from work, leaving home between 6:15am and 6:45am not getting home until 9pm or there abouts.... makes me a fkn tired and grumpy person to be honest.

I've been at this joint just shy of 6 years and generally I get the urge at least once maybe twice a year to pack it in and find something else, then usually something 'good' happens and I remain, good being either financial (bonus or the like) or my job changes into something that is more enjoyable etc...

I am in that rut again at the moment, I mean, its all well and good to take a pay rise and all, but at what cost - to be tired and s***ty constantly, the past couple of weekends i've been a social outcast and i've had engagement parties and birthday parties to attend and people actually said i am not my normal self.

I am going on holls in less then a month and I am currently training someone to cover my s*** while i am gone (3 weeks in NZ), so the plan is to not return to my old job when I get back from leave and do this 'manager' jobm i.e. hopefully attend meetings and look important, but actually do not-a-f***ing-lot like the managers at work currently do. So i am sticking to this and hoping it works

else who knows, seek.com.au is my bitch

/rant

last edited by HeardY at 22:28:31 27/Sep/05
sLaps_Forehead
Posts: 2076
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
someone would have to swap with my hand at the moment :*(
Persay
Posts: 3199
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
that'd be pretty sweet, handjobs on demand, hmmm
trog
AGN Admin
Posts: 17445
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
that resulted in me quiting right there and then on the spot.
Props for having the balls to do that! I'm certainly less likely to go to HNs now that A) you're not there :) and B) they sound like cocks
spidz
Posts: 9015
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Heardy: just keep threatening to leave until

A) they pay you enough to justify the s***ty workload

B) they get to the point and say 'fine we can't afford you' and you go off and work in an enjoyable job for around 60% of what you currently earn.

thats my current strategy, I'm currently an A but I reckon within 12 months I'll be a B. Find the low paying job that you enjoy is the hard part though!
gimpy
Posts: 339
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Naaaaaaaaaaah they can suck my fat one.

I'm out, looking for work as of, NOW. :) Going to stay in IT for now, then I'll work on transitioning into some kind of entertainment type career when I'm ready.

Such a great feeling. I'm looking forward to meeting new people and stuff. I'm happy to take a pay cut too, just want out.

I'm CCNA/RHCE and can do Windows stuff too if anyone wants to give me a job. :)

My final thoughts that made my decision, my work is my life, so it's very important I enjoy it.
gimpy
Posts: 340
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
And they hurt my friend TicMan. :( How mean. I don't like people that hurts my friends, they make me angry.
darius
Posts: 284
Location:
talking about sys admin jobs and qgl. i got my job from here. someone posted a tech needed for a school and now a work for catholic education brisbane at a fue schools. so thanks to qgl and the tech the posted the job vacany.
that was proably the one i posted and I've also got anohter one coming up but its on the gold coast and part time (im finally ifnishing my uni)
fpot
Posts: 12078
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland
Can I have that Gold Coast job? Keep in mind I don't even know what a 'sys admin' does :D
Dodgymon
Posts: 905
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Very similar situation happened to me a few years ago when I worked for an ISP. They started doing things that were f***ing customers over i.e installing 1 way satellite connections instead of ISDN connections which would introduce a 2+ sec latency.

So I made a stand to the bosses and told em it was wrong and they were only looking at the short term picture.

Needless to say I got fired and 2-3 months later the company folded.
DecayingCorpse
Posts: 1456
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
all the boss cares about is figures

at harvey norman? bah.
try working for queensland health.
HerbalLizard
Posts: 2929
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I just resigned my position about a week ago, which is a shame because I really enjoy my job. I currently am the floor manager at Harvey Norman Brisbane with a couple of lads + 1 chick from the forums. What I think is harder than working in a job you hate is working somewhere where you really enjoy your job, and having to leave it (Moving oversea's).

And Fuknukle all the best matey.
Fuknukle
Posts: 3738
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
you to HerbalLizard :)
so you'd know Scott then, he just transferred to brisbane(computers) couple weeks ago.
hes an awesum guy

edit:
Props for having the balls to do that! I'm certainly less likely to go to HNs now that A) you're not there :) and B) they sound like cocks
aww Trog, your such a sweetie :)

last edited by Fuknukle at 19:23:07 29/Sep/05
LightAssassin
Posts: 541
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Wow, good work on the leaving work guys.

I'm personally in a really f***ed up situation... it's just completely and utterly f***ed.

I started working 9 months ago now, my first full time job. Cadet Structural Draftsperson. Similar to an apprenticeship... only s***ter. I work and study. At first it was fine, work was interesting, and the study was decent.

After about 6 months, I complained for the first time. They weren't managing me very well and I wasn't learning f*** all. I tried walking around asking for work. This resulted in my boss going "Well if you can't get some decent work yourself, you get the s*** work". Made me clean his desk up, file drawings (we have people who do it as a full time job and had plenty of time to do so).

I decided to keep quiet and just surf the net instead.... then started the comments of "do you ever do any work?". So again I asked for some... this time they went stupid. He asked others in the company to give me work... I'd have 5 people a day asking me to do something (big company ~200 people). However, they all had the more important job... I had no idea who's work to do first.

I became overloaded.... got as much of it I could done... but what I didn't lead to me being complained at. So they complained to my boss... he told them to check with him first. However, this failed, as he doesn't bother seeing what I'm working on... so he just says yes to them all anyway.

Finally a month and a half ago, my mentor (just below the management boss). Started to actually teach me stuff, it was good. I don't like the drafting too much, but it wasn't bad.

Then bad things started to happen, my mentor had a mild stroke. And he pretty much ran our whole structural group drawings wise. So their solution, use my new found skills that he had taught me. I must say, I lost a lot of respect for most people I worked with.

I now do many things that I shouldn't be doing as a first year cadet... I made a mistake today that cost $10,000. But I have nobody to explain I'm a trainee or hell even check my work. It gets checked 4 times by engineers but there is no drafting check. So if I make a little mistake... it ends up with the client and costs money!

Pressure for me has gone crazy, and they keep relying on me for stuff that's way out of my scope. If I stick it out, I'll be a f***ing pro at the job but I hate it.

beauocracy is a f***ing evil thing. We have to follow certain procedures... I have to follow them and can't get them changed when they make it stupid hard for no reason (it's ment to stop mistakes getting through... but nobody is checking properly). So it's all just f***ing pointless.

I understand my personality... you tell me I made a mistake but I was doing a good job. I won't make the mistake again and I'll do my best to give you gold. But at my work... my first good work was this week by a contractor who I just did my job for.

I do overtime without pay, I work my ass off, I do their running around and yet they never say thank you.

I'm leaving. I'm going to study and program games. My dad helped me get the job (he works there) and he finally realises I f***ing hate it... but he thinks IT is a waste of time. I'm interested in games programming. So I'm following my dreams and quitting my job.

Onto aus-study I'll go, or the dole (depens what they will give me) and do my maths b and phsyics through Open Learning Tafe. Then mid year entry into Uni.

I know this is a bit of a whinge... I know you guys don't care, but it feels great to vent. My mates are pretty slack, they hate their jobs so they think it's natural to hate it.

Thanks again. And those who are leaving their job and trying to find better. Best of luck to you! People like you deserve respect!
dRanged
Posts: 712
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Personally I seem to be buying into the whole 'ideology' of working within a 'noble' profession (doctor, architect, engineer..) Making things better etc.
I'm making good money making my employer even more money, but at the end of the day what I do does not make, in my opinion, a tangible difference to the greater good. Of course, this philosophy is completely dependent on my utter lack of obligations to anybody, so I am free to live in wonkaland.
I did a CS degree but now I'm thinking of hitting up Engineering
me crazy
SD Gundam
Posts: 3112
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Personally I seem to be buying into the whole 'ideology' of working within a 'noble' profession (doctor, architect, engineer..) Making things better etc.
I'm making good money making my employer even more money, but at the end of the day what I do does not make, in my opinion, a tangible difference to the greater good. Of course, this philosophy is completely dependent on my utter lack of obligations to anybody, so I am free to live in wonkaland.
I did a CS degree but now I'm thinking of hitting up Engineering
me crazy
There aren't any 'noble' professions, it's all driven by money and greed and even if you have 'noble' intentions you'll always be working under someone to whom the dollars are most important.
If you want 'noble' do some charity work.

last edited by SD Gundam at 21:52:04 29/Sep/05
spidz
Posts: 9039
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
or be a school teacher
Persay
Posts: 3242
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
<--- like this idiot is going to be
nF
Posts: 11375
Location: Wynnum, Queensland
Anyone know the number for an abortion clinic?
orbitor
Posts: 6704
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
aww, you decided not to keep it nF?

My job rocks. I'm an engineer and I get to do stuff that actually matters. My wife's a doctor but it's a crap job as QLD Health are up s*** creek.
Khel
Posts: 10652
Location: Wynnum, Queensland
'm leaving. I'm going to study and program games. My dad helped me get the job (he works there) and he finally realises I f***ing hate it... but he thinks IT is a waste of time. I'm interested in games programming. So I'm following my dreams and quitting my job.

Props to you! I did the same thing about a year ago. I'd been working in various programming jobs, and while I was good at what I did, it really wasn't very satisfying at all. In fact, at my last job, by the end, I was just plain outright miserable. So I took the plunge, quit my job, and went back to uni at 26 and started studying to do games programming instead. Now I'm poor, living back with my parents at Jimboomba and have no social life at all, but I'm still happier than I was at any job I've ever had in the past just because I'm now doing something I really love. Sure, work is always going to be work, but if you're doing something you really love and have a passion for, it makes life a whole lot better :)

Its kinda scary though, at least, it was for me. I mean, doing games has always been a dream but because its been something I'd been thinking about so long, I'd kind of built it up into my head as some kind of unattainble pipe dream, and thought to myself "Nah, I'll never be able to do that". There was this whole idea of "Better to just stay where I am cos its safe, than to go out on a limb an chase my dreams and fail." At least if you stay where you are, you'll always have that dream and be able to think to yourself how nice it would be if you could one day do that. My fear though was if I went after that dream, and failed, I'd have nothing left at all to aspire to. In the end though it was all just pointless psychosis on my behalf, as I'm doing awesomely in my degree and am more convinced than ever that this is the job for me :D

Its not easy, sure, but if its something you really want to do then my advice is just take the leap and do it. Apply yourself 100% to it and just go for it. Be willing to make some sacrifices in the short term, but in the long term you'll be living your dream, and whats better than that?
Fuknukle
Posts: 3740
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
/me wipes tear from eye
that was beautiful Khel, my hero
:)
A_W
Posts: 516
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Khel makes great points. :)
Opec
Posts: 3530
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

So I took the plunge, quit my job, and went back to uni at 26 and started studying to do games programming instead


I'm 30 and am still at Uni and have been for the last 7 years/part-time I don't see a problem with that. I can't say I enjoyed Uni but the end is insight for me I might finish this year finally so that's another goal in my life ticked off.


With regards to jobs, well I had some bad ones but nothing like u guys have had /touches wood. I've been with the current company for about 5 years now, in IT that's like an eternity but I like the people I work with, the boss is cool (helps that he also got CS degree so he's not a completed newbie when it comes to tech talk/talking to client without promising ridiculous things), pay is good. Naturally there are ups and downs but all in all I love it.
spidz
Posts: 9045
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
i think co-workers who are also friends makes a huge difference no matter what the job.
LightAssassin
Posts: 542
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Khel, I'm close to you area wise. Parents, in Park Ridge South.

We'll have to do a lunch or something, you could give me some pointers. I'm always interested to learn ^_^

I'm only sticking with this job to pay for somethings and save some money. I've bought a bunch of C++ books. A laptop and got the money together for my Maths B and phsyics via open learning. On my way!

Doesn't help I lost my license lol. But that's my own doing! ^_^
Spook
Posts: 14655
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
i think co-workers who are also friends makes a huge difference no matter what the job.


never a truer word spoken

the peeps i work with make my day, each and everyday
Keato
Posts: 38
Location: Netherlands
I know how to fix this !
Fuknukle
Posts: 3742
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
i think co-workers who are also friends makes a huge difference no matter what the job.
absolutely isin-it(those who work at haveys will get that)
the only reason i stayed so long. the people at indro are awesum, its such a shame so many have left and are leaving and extremely down atm due to what this new boss is doing.

ahhwell such is life, time for something else.

ive done car washing,
cleaner at garden city
security(garden city)
warehouseing
manage and run warehouse(at 2 sites-hn everton park and indro)
sales(hn indro)
techbay(hn indro)
also mantained phone and data racks while i was there, they contract everything out.(re/routing phone lines and lan)simple stuff tho just unplug here and plug in there etc. organise who gets what phone number etcetc

hmm what should i get into now. im seriously thinking about a defense job.
something like engineering or comunication, something which doesnt involve me running.
so the first 4 weeks is gonna be ass because i hate running but will put up with it for the 'love month'.

accually helipilot would be awesum, or any pilot heh :)
got a missus tho. she'll have to deal with it
typo
Posts: 4471
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I'm interested in games programming. So I'm following my dreams and quitting my job.


Unless you are doing a specific Games Design Degree, I would recommend that you do a dual degree in IT and Maths, or failing that a degree in Software Engineering. Make sure that you take all of the 3d, AI, OS, Networking and Database subjects you can.

If you do IT I would do an honours degree. This mean you get 5-6 extra coding subjects under your belt and you get to do a year long development project. Also, most other counties (US and UK for instance) often have 4 year degrees, or upon graduating you are given an honours degree if you did well. (I.E in both cases doing a four year degree and coming out with honours (any honours) is a bonus).

Maths is very important for Engine Development, which is pretty much the only kind of code positions at most game development places. When I say important, I don’t mean “oh it would be nice if you had some”, I mean serious hardcore dragon-ninja clan maths.

Onto aus-study I'll go, or the dole (depens what they will give me) and do my maths b and phsyics through Open Learning Tafe. Then mid year entry into Uni.


If you are under 25 you are going to get a really gay version of youth allowance. One where you don’t get rent assistance, and you get paid less than other people on youth allowance. After 25 you get Austudy, which isn’t that much better.

However, if you do TAFE part time for 6 months on the dole you will quality you to receive a higher rate of youth allowance while studying. This higher rate is the exact same rate you got on youth allowance before studying, but is better than getting the normal study youth allowance. The one where you get paid 70 dollars a fortnight less than the dole.
typo
Posts: 4472
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
So I took the plunge, quit my job, and went back to uni at 26 and started studying to do games programming instead


I went back to uni at 27 too, I wouldn’t trade the time I have spent at Uni for anything. I learnt more than I ever thought I would, and since graduating I have had more opportunities than I ever had before.


I'm only sticking with this job to pay for somethings and save some money. I've bought a bunch of C++ books. A laptop and got the money together for my Maths B and phsyics via open learning. On my way!


To add to your collection I would recommend Thinking in C++. If you can’t find it, search for Thinking in Java (3rd edition), they are all written by the same guy. It is freeware so you can legally own it and it is pretty well done. He also has bunch of other books that are really helpful.

Once the beginner books are under your belt, I would recommend that you seriously consider purchasing C++ Cookbook by O’Reilly press. The cookbook series basically gives you a bunch of code examples and then shows you what it has done and why it has done it. It assumes that you already know the basics of code, but it doesn’t assume you are some sort of coding ninja god.

I still on occasion pull out my c# or Java cookbooks for a quick, well constructed example for a piece of technology I haven’t used before.

I mentioned in my previous post a bunch of coding subjects; make sure when you are doing all of the intro subjects (ie before you get onto networks/os and stuff) that you totally work your arse off. If you implicitly understand the basics of programming the rest of it comes along pretty easily. The 3rd and 4th level subjects would be near on impossible if you have problems with the basics of programming.

If you want to hear funny stories about aspiring programmers who can’t code, ask Khel or myself. We have a fist full of them, although I strongly suspect that Khel has better ones.
Khel
Posts: 10656
Location: Wynnum, Queensland
I went back to uni at 27 too, I wouldn’t trade the time I have spent at Uni for anything. I learnt more than I ever thought I would, and since graduating I have had more opportunities than I ever had before.

Yeah, I'm not saying going back to uni when you're older is a bad thing or nothing, but it took a bit of getting used to, for me anyway. If anything though, I'm now of the opinion its probably better going back and studying when you're older. I've come into this degree with a much different, much better perspective than I had when I first tried uni, fresh out of high school.
If you want to hear funny stories about aspiring programmers who can’t code, ask Khel or myself. We have a fist full of them, although I strongly suspect that Khel has better ones.

Haha, its true, I know guys who after 2 semesters of C++ are only just starting to figure out what for loops do and what a class is. I agree with what typo was saying though, just get a really solid understanding of the fundamentals before you try anything game specific or try to get fancy. My degree is full of 17 & 18 year old kids who think they're hardcore games programmers because they've taught themselves a bit of Open GL. Ask them what abstract classes or even accessors and mutators are though, and they'll look at you blankly. They're the people who laugh and tell you comments are a waste of time because they already know what their code does, and make classes with all the data and methods public because its less effort. Basically, they're s*** programmers because they've never spent the time really learning how to write good code and they dont understand the value of writing good code.

Also, once you've got a handle on things, pick up a good book on Design Patterns. I must admit, I'd always written things like design patterns off as academic bulls***, but this semester we've been covering design patterns, and I have to say, I wish I'd introduced myself to them long before now! Very useful little things indeed.
If you are under 25 you are going to get a really gay version of youth allowance. One where you don’t get rent assistance, and you get paid less than other people on youth allowance. After 25 you get Austudy, which isn’t that much better.

Yeah, Austudy is a flaming bag of ass. Apparently the government would rather give more money to unemployed bums who sit around at home doing nothing, than to students who are doing degrees that will land them a well paid job. Its almost like they're encouraging you to be a bum and penalising you for actually doing something with your life =\
Tanaka Khan
Posts: 1226
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Hey Fuknukle...do you or did you know Clint who use to work at Mt Gravatt Harvey Norman??
Fuknukle
Posts: 3747
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
i certianly do, he worked at evertonpark before gravatt
hes a funny bastard havnt seen him in ages
Tanaka Khan
Posts: 1228
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
He and cat got me started in WoW....been a few weeks since ive spoken to them,he works at a jewelry shop in garden city now.
Fuknukle
Posts: 3748
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
o s*** i should go see him. has he shaved the goatee off?
Kat
Posts: 6405
Location:

3 mths and counting and I will be 'jobless'
typo
Posts: 4475
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
If anything though, I'm now of the opinion its probably better going back and studying when you're older. I've come into this degree with a much different, much better perspective than I had when I first tried uni, fresh out of high school.


Yeah, most of the people who do really well at Uni have f***ed around for a year or two before getting there. Almost everybody in the top 10% of my year had done something before entering this degree, be it f***ing around at uni for a year or two, working or whatever.

nF
Posts: 11394
Location: Wynnum, Queensland
3 mths and counting and I will be 'jobless'


All in favour of a 24 hour post limiter for kat say aye.
Fuknukle
Posts: 3755
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
thats coz they fully apreciate how easy uni life really is hah
gimpy
Posts: 342
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Peter Gibbons: What would you do if you had a million dollars?
Lawrence: I'll tell you what I'd do, man, two chicks at the same time, man.
Peter Gibbons: That's it? If you had a million dollars, you'd do two chicks at the same time?
Lawrence: Damn straight. I always wanted to do that, man. And I think if I had a million dollars I could hook that up, cause chicks dig a dude with money.
Peter Gibbons: Well, not all chicks.
Lawrence: Well the kind of chicks that'd double up on a dude like me do.
Peter Gibbons: Good point.
Lawrence: Well what about you now? what would you do?
Peter Gibbons: Besides two chicks at the same time?
Lawrence: Well yeah.
Peter Gibbons: Nothing.
Lawrence: Nothing, huh?
Peter Gibbons: I'd relax, I would sit on my ass all day, I would do nothing.
Lawrence: Well you don't need a million dollars to do nothing, man. Just take a look at my cousin, he's broke, don't do s***.

hahaha, office space ftw
wolfieee
Posts: 1260
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
My job is the same, i've been doing IT Support / Administration for the past 4.5 years now and i have to admit it's starting to get to me. My job is in no way deadline based, its more or less reactive to whatever problems occur on a day to day basis, i don't mind the work so much, but the boredom can really get to you, everyone who works here is over 45 and i find i really don't have much in common with them, even though i'd like to.

So i'm with whoever quoted that the people you work with make the job just that little bit more enjoyable when you have things in common. Just makes the day go faster.

I used to have a s*** boring job at AGC but because i worked with 2 mates from school, lunchtimes / work time would go by so fast because you've always got someone to talk to and muck around with and that to me at the time was more important than money / position.
Amaya
Posts: 89
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Depends on what your other skills are, I can't begin to explain how much happier I am after I got out of development... but then I have other skills to fall back on. Thought about doing technical team leading or some such?
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