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Topic: AMD Sues Intel
Nailbomb
Posts: 1634
Location: Melbourne, Victoria
AMD has filed an antitrust complaint against Intel, alleging all sorts of unsavoury practices, and judging that from the fact that it was filed in court rather than in a blog, I would guess AMD thinks it is illegal.

AMD says Intel has paid Dell and Toshiba huge sums not to do business with AMD. It says Sony was paid "millions for exclusivity" and as a result AMD’s share of Sony’s business went from 23 percent in 2002 to 8% in 2003, down to 0% today.
Full Article. Definately big news and AMD seem intent on making it all very public so it'll be interesting to see where this all goes. promoted forum item
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demon
Posts: 1574
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
dumb. big business's always do monopolisation deals with each other... the companies that amd mentions are some of the most guilty of monopoly. like the company i work for is a design house & we make deals with component manufacturers who will give us discounts in return for us using them exclusively. it's standard bizniz practice as far as i am concerned. sony are one of the worst for making business monopolies... amd are just whinging coz intel was in first with the deals.
orbitor
Posts: 6550
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
yes, nonetheless there are rules governing what you can and can't do in this area, and perhaps AMD have good reason for believing Intel overstepped their mark.
Thundercracker
Posts: 901
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Intel designed its compilers, which translate software programs into machine-readable language, to degrade a program's performance if operated on a computer powered by an AMD microprocessor
Very interesting.
#4 12:17pm 29/06/05
existence`
Posts: 5593
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
^man, if thats true, they're f***ed
#5 12:52pm 29/06/05
Opec
Posts: 3182
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
One also has to wonder what sort of deal Intel had struck with Apple to be use thier chip instead of AMD.

I wish I could've bought a dual AMD 64 for our (newish) Dev Server instead of Intel from Dell. But alas you can't :(
#6 01:05pm 29/06/05
mongie
Posts: 3254
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
OMGOMG

that link is hilarious, AMD basically laying the SMAQ down on intel, by timeline.

now we can only wait for intel's response.
#7 02:28pm 29/06/05
z0r
Posts: 1330
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
hahaha...The Itanic.
#8 02:36pm 29/06/05
trent
Posts: 641
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

sony are one of the worst for making business monopolies

which industry is sony a monopoly in?
#9 04:43pm 29/06/05
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typo
Posts: 4174
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Intel designed its compilers, which translate software programs into machine-readable language, to degrade a program's performance if operated on a computer powered by an AMD microprocessor

While it may be true that the intel compilers run like ass on AMD microprocessors, it might be very hard to prove that it was the intention to do exactly that.

Intels defence will be that they optimised the compilers to work to the best possible outcome on Intel processors. Chances are that optimisations for one processor would hurt the other, because when you get down to that level of programming ... optimisations always hurt something.
#11 06:02pm 29/06/05
Spook
Posts: 13673
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
i knew my love for amd would pay off in the long run
#12 06:03pm 29/06/05
DrFrag
Posts: 1745
Location: Adelaide, South Australia
IIRC, Intel faced antitrust charges years ago (before Microsoft's antitrust). Unlike Microsoft, they apologised and made changes. Hopfully they'll do the right thing again.
#13 06:08pm 29/06/05
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typo
Posts: 4177
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
i knew my love for amd would pay off in the long run

Intel is getting into a bad position now. In the past avid intel fan boys (me) have been able to find excuse after excuse for keeping intel computers. However, for the last year or so there just isn't any valid reason for using Intel over AMD anymore (as far as I can see anyway).

AMD wins on most of the score sheets (that matter).
#15 08:36pm 29/06/05
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Spook
Posts: 13676
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
ive been onboard since the heady k6-2 300 days (mmm 3dnow, you rocked)
#17 10:14pm 29/06/05
nF!
Posts: 10743
Location: Wynnum, Queensland
I always thought 3DNow! was a bit like 2 extra doors on a skyline. (If you know what i'm saying.)
#18 10:29pm 29/06/05
Spook
Posts: 13677
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
(u stinx)
#19 10:32pm 29/06/05
mongie
Posts: 3258
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
3DNow! was extra instructions, like MMX, but for a different thing.
#20 12:10am 30/06/05
DrFrag
Posts: 1747
Location: Adelaide, South Australia
AMD wins on most of the score sheets (that matter).
*cough*compatibility*cough*
#21 03:47pm 01/07/05
parabol
Posts: 1457
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
*cough*compatibility*cough*
You're absolutely right.

Is Intel AMD-compatible with the 64-bit architecture yet?
#22 04:11pm 01/07/05
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typo
Posts: 4187
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Is intel's 64bit cpus' x86 compatible yet?

They are going to (or have) licenced AMDs 64 bit technology.
#24 06:09pm 01/07/05
Fuknukle
Posts: 3395
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
yea thats true but i was refering to the itanium :)
they havnt put them into retail stores yet afaik
#25 07:02pm 01/07/05
koopz
Posts: 5366
Location: Queensland

I love AMD now... if only they were intellent enough to come up with their own chipset that got the most out of their product..


I really do feel for Intel... there are so many users out their with Intel cpus that are running in NVidia, Via or SIS based boards that think they've bought 'the real deal'. hehe and stuff...


maybe Amd could work out how to develop a P4 chipset that outpaced any Intel-based mobo on the market.. nah that'd be asking waaay too much of them. they're 1337, AnD tHaTs AlL tHaT MaTtErs MeAnS :)


oh well.. Keep voting with your feet peoples!!


:D
#26 07:57pm 01/07/05
koopz
Posts: 5367
Location: Queensland
'still waiting for someone here to post a current AMD Media Centre hardware config that can achieve anywhere near Intel's old 865 standard offerings...

how hard can it be to convince a mobo manfacturer to build a mobo that'll simultanteously record from two HDTV cards in 5.1 sound perfectly *and* play videogames?



amaze me..


Intel FTW
#27 08:01pm 01/07/05
koopz
Posts: 5368
Location: Queensland
simultanteously record from two HDTV cards in 5.1 sound perfectly *and* play videogames?


I was using Doom3 for my benchmark.. I suppose Counterstrike could suffice.
#28 08:03pm 01/07/05
parabol
Posts: 1464
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Why are you arguing with yourself?
#29 08:15pm 01/07/05
koopz
Posts: 5372
Location: Queensland
/end sarcasm parabol.


you dumbarse
#30 08:54pm 01/07/05
koopz
Posts: 5373
Location: Queensland
actually.. I digress..


the lowest comon denoniator will always win out in the end.


bring on WW3 biznatches :p
#31 09:07pm 01/07/05
parabol
Posts: 1465
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
you dumbarse
My sarcasmometer detects sarcasm, not silliness.
#32 10:06pm 01/07/05
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Spook
Posts: 13722
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
koopz stinx
#35 08:24am 02/07/05
DrFrag
Posts: 1748
Location: Adelaide, South Australia
how hard can it be to convince a mobo manfacturer to build a mobo that'll simultanteously record from two HDTV cards in 5.1 sound perfectly *and* play videogames?
You mean AMD hardware works with single-card video recording now? I guess that's progress.
#36 02:47pm 02/07/05
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