Hey guys,

Probably leaving it to the last minute but I'm wondering on the legalities of recording the news (channel 9 or 7) in a digital format?

I'm actually going to tape it on VHS but I was wondering (if its legal) if somebody with a tv card hooked up could just tape the first 5 stories? I'd try and find a way to reimburse your trouble and effort.

If this is illegal please feel free to delete this admins, I was of the understanding that News was considered public domain unlike copywrited shows.

Cheers

well i dont know if this is correct but im assuming since people have been recording thing from free to air tv and the news for a very long time, i dont think there is anything illeagal bout it. as long as you dont sell it or remove the "water mark"(the 7 or the 9 in the corner)

edit: whats so special on the news that you wanna record it?

last edited by Irhabi at 17:34:10 27/Apr/04

I thought it becomes public use once it is broadcasted. Hence the reason each channel can steal stories and footage off each other.

I heard something....somewhere

As far as I know you can record what ever you like off the tv as long as its unaltered, example,. tv ads are still there etc etc and you do not distribute.

It's illegal.

Go read copyright.org.au

The content is copyright and their is copyright on the broadcast.

Yes, Video recorders should be outlawed. They tried, they failed. They'll try again soon.

I actually remember hearing somewhere that the only thing that you can actually legally record from TV is the news.

Probably not true though.

This witty caption that is shown at the very start of a futurama episode informs us.

http://www.ecn.com.au/~stokesy/futurama.gif

It was my understanding that it's illegal to record for archival purposes, but it's legit to record if you're not there to watch the program initially.

So in other words, you can only legally watch a show once per broadcast.

So you can set your vcr recording ER and go play raquetball, but you cant sit there watching it and pausing out the adds with the intention of watching it every night for the next year.
I wouldnt think the method of recording has any bearing on the legality.

Of course I could be completely wrong but it was similarly described to me by a university lecturer back in 99, things may have changed since then.

Regardless, its a big legal grey area so just f***it and do it anyway.

I'd f*** it

It is not legal in australia to tape for any period of time. We have no concept of time shifting. You can read the copyrightorgau's leaflet on recording tv shows here (pdf). In summary, it says:

Generally you will need permission to tape from TV
The is no exception which allows you to tape from TV for private use -- for example, to watch a program at a more convenient time, or to watch a program again, or to give the tape to your friends to watch.

There is a very limited exception which means that you do not infringe copyright in the broadcaster's copyright by taping for private use. However, there are nearly always other copyrights to consider -- including the copyright in the moving images and sounds, the copyright in any script or screenplay, and the copyright in any music.

This means that you will generally need permission to tape from TV.

So ring ch9 and ask them real nice like, then come tell us what they say

Most Australian copyright law says its basically illegal to make any copy of anything without the express permission of the copyright owner.

Obviously, the law is broken. It needs to be fixed.

The FTA will certainly fix it for us.

Not only will Khel be nuking and locking posts on PS2 mod chips, but also TV Tuner card queries, MP3 conversion questions and any post dealing with how to make someone's DVD drive multi region, or work out the password on their locked word document. Yay.

I always find it interesting that the police will raid someone's house and charge them with piracy when I guarantee we could walk into their house and find illegaly copied movies, shows, etc.

I don't think that'll happen. PS2 mod chips are illegal, and its ok to lock threads about them because everyone should buy an Xbox anyway - not just because they're better, but to teach hardware developers that users now expect freedom with their hardware.

TV tuner card threads that have to do with blatantly illegal things like pirating cable will have always and will always be locked obviously.

MP3 conversion (and 'fair use' copyright in general) will hopefully be addressed soon, but in the meantime, I gotta say, I wholeheartedly support users creating copies of stuff they've bought for personal use.

I always find it interesting that the police will raid someone's house and charge them with piracy when I guarantee we could walk into their house and find illegaly copied movies, shows, etc.

I find it interesting that police arrest murderers and rapists and drug dealers, yet just yesterday I j-walked in front of a cop and he didn't beat me into the ground

(ie, I don't find it interesting at all)

You don't find it interesting because you thought through the analogy for more than 4 seconds.

Obviously, the law is broken. It needs to be fixed.

just whap a ?refresh=1 on the end of it.

Obveously making a copy of your dvd/cd that you own is almost a must these days, since the media that said movies etc, are delivered on are fragile.

Of course taking good care of them is point 1, however sometimes its best to just make copy, and store the orignal.

but how do we draw the line between being able to make a personal copy and NOT being able to pirate.
we've been here said that million times. but i feel it still needs to be said.

in NZ you gotta pay for "freetoairTV" 10 dollars a month, so in that case it should be fine to copy a service for personal use only if your paying for it, however in australia unless taxes are going into freetoairTV then im not sure wether a copy should be allowed.

i remember at school the teachers would tape the current affair type programs and science programs and show them to us. thats a public audience. :S

last edited by Fuknukle at 20:06:15 27/Apr/04

i remember at school the teachers would tape the current affair type programs and science programs and show them to us. thats a public audience. :S

and that is now illegal... guaranteed if you went into a school today that wouldn't happen.. they need to put everything by the librarian (usually the copyright expert at a school)

its funny cause i have seen tv programs that tell you "not to miss the next epesode... if your not home get your video ready..."

or simpsons episodes where they build in gags that can only be viewed by recording the show and playing it back frame by frame...

i remember at school the teachers would tape the current affair type programs and science programs and show them to us. thats a public audience. :S

With the ABC they are alllowed to do that after all their only coping of the govenment that pays them.

Well the news all tape each other's news and hold it for a week or so. Even just before, the TV was on the ABC Lateine, and a story on John Howard had content from 2 radio stations and 2 other TV channels. I don't see them getting arrested. Thats the news, The Simpsons is probably a different matter, but who really gives a f***? everyone does it.

It's not _strictly_ legal no. But seriously if you're just taping/recording it simply because you weren't there to watch it and have no intention of distributing the content for your own gain (whatever that maybe) then I think it's pretty safe to say the cops won't be taking you to the federal-pound-me-in-the-arse-prison -- for this time anyway. :)

last edited by Opec at 00:43:04 28/Apr/04

in NZ you gotta pay for "freetoairTV" 10 dollars a month,

where did you get that crazy info from I lived in NZ for 6 months and never paid a cent for my free to air TV.....

My school had paid for some special license to tape various educational shows off the ABC.

I find it interesting that police arrest murderers and rapists and drug dealers, yet just yesterday I j-walked in front of a cop and he didn't beat me into the ground

(ie, I don't find it interesting at all)

What's your point trog, you can break the law and flaunt it so you're not interested in people adhering to it? I see people being fined for j-walking on a weekly if not daily basis in the city on my lunch outings (this usually means another j-walking tosser has been hit by a taxi and someone has complained about it so the cops need to look busy).

I've seen a police officer drive past 2 aboriginal kids having a punch up in Lutwyche with another aboriginal kid and they just turned a blind eye.

About 4 or 5 weeks ago I read an article on a paedophile who spent less time in prison than someone who broke into a car.

In the end here I'm sure that we could all sit around and talk about how we j-walk or smoke crack infront of cops, but the fact of the matter is that it should not be allowed. The reality of course is that it's a bent and f***ed system so nothing will change.

where did you get that crazy info from I lived in NZ for 6 months and never paid a cent for my free to air TV.....

im a KIWI ive lived there all my life, moved over here 3 years ago.
we got caught once because we didnt pay it. they scan your house and can tell wether your watching freetoairTV and what channels etc.

so thats where i got that crazy info from.
however if you get 'sky'(payTV) then you dont need to pay it, since it comes out of the payTV.

In Ireland, England, etc you need to purchase a TV license for each TV in the household otherwise you can cop a fairly hefty fine.

TV licenses aren't new, you use to have to purchase one in Australia too. TV inspectors patrolled the streets peering at curtains looking for that all-telling glow, people had their table cloth at the ready to throw over the top of the TV to disguise it at a knock of the door.

Then the government decided that rather than just charging people that actually watch TV a TV license and having to enforce it, they'll just take it from you at taxation time, whether you actually watch/own a TV or not.

i guess they just believe everyone should pay for Television, not just those that use it.

I believe the same was done for wirelesses (radio, not cable-less networking).

My school had paid for some special license to tape various educational shows off the ABC.

Well I'd guess that's because you went to a private school.

it'd have to be legal...they publish the g-code thingies in the tv guide to set your vcr with...i dont think theyd be publishing that unless it was totally legal, not just 'pretty much' legal...

could be wrong though

yes it's illegal..


no one is going to search you out and drag your ass into court over it, however if you posted some footage on the net that attracted negetive attention then you should know that your ass is well and truely waiving in the breeze.



which is a bugger, cause Tripod's XBox Song is indeed postworthy

this was tested in the high court recently.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/cth/high_ct/2004/14.html

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