How many of you guys saw this movie? I only justed watched it tonight on DVD and I thought it was great. I get alot of people coming into work and saying they thought it was weird and hard to follow.

Anyway, what was the ending? Is there a proper ending or is it left up to the viewer to determine what actually happened. I was under the inpression that after the car crash he was dreaming everything and when he jumped from the building at the end that was him dying in hospital, although you never actually see him in there.

Great movie with an awesome soundtrack. Anyone else got ideas on it?

yeah, i loved it. tho i kinda guessed the ending about 3/4's thru. but was still great.

i drove the girls who i was with car home too... i didnt trust her after that, lol

Um wasn't the whole movie explained at the end quite blatantly. It kinda hurt cause it was done terribly in my opinion.

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After the accident David chooses to die cause he can't live his life as it is and is put into cryo with the help of a company that creates a world (dream) one chooses to experience in "death". Something screws up in the process and instead David experience a nightmarish world. Technical Support (that guy at the end) lets David know what is going on and gives him a choice: live in this virtual world (which is now repaired) or live in the real world again. David jumps off the building, leaving the virtual world and waking up in the real world somewhere.

The error during the dream process was the reason for the character changes and very similar to Mulholland Drive, reality mixed with dream creating a kind of nightmare.

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I hope you didn't get this instead of Mulholland Drive. :)

i still gotta watch it :(

i drove the girls who i was with car home too... i didnt trust her after that, lol

you'd been f***ing around i assume? :P

its a bad movie and penelope cruz's tits are disapointing

Hehe, yeah I did. But I'll be watching Mulholland Drive tomorrow night after work.

But getting back to the ending. I'm aware of that cryo place but how do you really know that place exists? Several times through the movie they showed that dog that was frozen in ice for three weeks and survived. Maybe that had something to do with his mind. f***s me. Given that the movie wasn't set in the future I don't buy the part where he is cryogenically frozen and having people on the outside feeding him visions or whatever. I still think that was all part of his dream before he died.

This is gonna get scary.

I can almost guarantee that the movie explained exactly what was going on at the end. I read somewhere ages ago that Crowe said it was pretty straight forward and explained at the end. An ending just about as bad as Minority Report's. :(

To be honest the ending was patheticly done because it was so blatantly explained. It would be way better if it wasn't what it was (like what you proposed) :)

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The thing is that if it was mostly all a dream then there would have been no purpose to the movie at all (it doesn't have much anyway). There is no evidence towards it at all really. Whereas most of the clues pointed towards the blatant ending.

If there's no evidence then it probably wasn't it ("Aliens abducted tom cruise and made him go crazy abusing his memories" could've been an ending), or if that was what was intended then the director didn't think out or present it too well at all. Either way it's not a good thing :)

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I hear the original was treated way better. It's in some video stores and it might be worth a look...

Yeah I gotta see this one, I heard it got a good review.

Damn them to hell then. Well if that was the proper ending, I understood it fully. That really sucks. Everything was going so well until that point, well it was still good up to there it's just if that's the ending for real I'm disappointed.

Oh well, I still can't understand how people can come into work and say they were all confused and didn't get what was going on. Looking forward to Mulholland Drive. Hope it's as twisted as I've heard.

Yeah, the ending was f***ing terrible.

I remember at school my english teacher saying how stupid it was to end a narrative with "And then i woke up, it had all been a dream." Because it was so juevenile or something. But yeah, i liked the movie up until the ending, then i hated it.

Yeah that's the problem with it. It's so stupidly obvious it just ruins it.

Most people say it's confusing because during the movie they get completely lost and give up. The ending doesn't register cause they are satisfied with having already given up.

On the topic of alternate endings, i've heard a good Minority Report one . Far better than the presented one but I doubt Speilberg could stomach it. :(

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The "wake up dream thing" is only really bad when there are no clues that lead towards it. Thankfully there were a few in the movie so it was at least hinted towards. Eg. The way the sky looked after he woke up from being in the gutter?

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you'd been f***ing around i assume? :P

< insert mum joke >

nah, just left the country

The way the sky looked after he woke up from being in the gutter?

I thought that was just an effect, and aren't lucid dreams supposed to be black and white or something.

Dunno. I didn't think lucid dreams are meant to be in any particular colour scheme?

It looked so unrealistic, brilliant and fake. Something about the lighting and how the street was completely empty. Like something out of a fantasy. It's been awhile since i saw it though. It struck me when I saw it anyway :P

The more obvious clues was the switching of character names and the constant flashbacks and the constant open your eyes voiceovers. Then definately when you saw the lucid dreams advertisement and the pet shop scenes.

i liked minority report.

i like to have closeure after a movie, a definitive closeing is always nice.

the open ended movies tend to be s***, as they leave plot holes, that are open to discussion, and everyone thinks it means different things, creating a debate, about a s*** movie.

I remember at school my english teacher saying how stupid it was to end a narrative with "And then i woke up, it had all been a dream." Because it was so juevenile or something.

Well think about it... how stuid it is... its something a juevenile would come up with.

Its an over-used *twist* and a sorta "cliche" ending...

Minority Report is a good example of a badly constructed movie (plotwise) that handled a great theme poorly. The ending might've had closure but it was sure a poor and safe one. The movie had alot of holes and even the title was inappropriate and irrelevant.

Though it sure did look damn nice. :)

In defence to open-ended movies, sometimes, if it's done well, it's very appropriate to leave it open-ended. With some movies/themes it is inappropriate to have certain types of closure (especially if it means the movie basically spells out the plot for you or forces an opinion).

With most perceived "open-ended" movies, there is usually some kind of reasonable closure and explanations for the events that transpired. The "open-endedness" is likely to be just a person's confusion/misinterpretation of certain plot/theme elements. These kind of movies aren't everybody's cup of tea. Movies serve a host of purposes. The after-movie debate is sometimes intended and actually improves the movie.... sometimes.

In offence against closure, just read all the posts above as a good example. Or MKC. :)

minority report was a relatively short movie, and thank christ for that. i think we should all be getting the f*** over stupidly long movies, so that stupid idiots can get over pointing out plot holes.

minoirty report flowed nicely, and was done well. i'd like to of seen more ackshun with that cool gun used in the warehouse, but thats my only complaint.

and if u used your brain, you could plug up those plot holes, easily your self, and still maintain the story of the movie, and because of that, it's better that they left them out, instead of adding another hour on to the movie, and trying to fill some of them.

the story was good, the movie was entertaining, and if u didn't even get the title, then it's no wonder u have such a stupid take on the whole thing.

I loved Vanailla Skies, it was an all round unreal mind-f*** movie. I feel it was done well, and the closure on the ending prevented me from having to think about the story line for hours upon end, which I ended up doing anyway.

It perfectly represents many facets of human behavior, and crossing what is called the morality boundry. What seperates IMMORAL from AMORAL, and the grey area inbetween.

I really, really liked it. I still get shivers when I think about the rape scene, it perfectly portrays the desperation and guilt which festers in the pit of your stomache.

The whole thing can be looked at on a number of levels, ofcourse, and I think many of them are under-symbolistic.

In a world crying out for something to belive in, i.e. religion. Here comes an almighty being with his council of elders offering all the solutions. High upon a rooftop on a beatiful day with all those that you have loved and forgivness dealt without speech.

I think it's symbolising God, and that he is actually departing his life (possibly, his life in a coma in hospital) to be reborn as another being. Being reborn into a new world where nothing is the same - possibly symbolistic for being reborn as something other than a Human.

Anyway, Great Movie.

I thought it was great, gonig to buy it when I can. Is it out to buy at the moment or just rent?

It was confusing to follow during it, but it all makes *sorta* sense at the end I reckon.

have a cry tree.

heh

i did a 3000 word post once, and i think trog took out the longest with 4something

hehe

I think the order of posts has done screwy :)
It's like it's locked at the bottom. Heheh.

it sucked = 2 words

probably has a better chance of not being skipped as well :p

tree: you borked the forum up. noone can post below you anymore.

That's amusing. An excess of words must destroy the forum. :)

the wood cabin made the movie for me :p

Yeah i cried as i finally realised that the precogs can live a real life again. Books being their only source of new entertainment because they are timeless. But mostly because it was not shown through a blue filter so I could see vibrant colour again :P

I apologize for the length but I thought it was needed to make a point clearly. Would never let something like this die. Most would probably not read this but at least my point has been made. I think :)


When i say holes i mean the flaws in the plot that contradicted key points/themes in the movie. I also mean unbelievably silly sections of the story that would never be.

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Here are some of the simple ones.

- Why would they have an alternate access to the most important room in the precrime headquarters ungaurded? Not only that but why wouldn't they remove his access privileges since he is a fugitive? They stress that it's so secure but they are stupid enough to make it dead easy to get in.
- How on earth could his ex-wife gain access to basically a prison with nothing but a gun and his eyeballs? When she held up the bag of eyeballs it was like the director was adding fuel to the flame of stupidity. Or perhaps law enforcement in the future is incredibly inept.
- Why did they make such a big deal about him going blind if the bandages are removed if he doesn't even get affected by it? Great scene but it had absolutely no consequences. It's like the writers got sloppy and forgot about that entirely.
- How the visions worked. It wasn't such a big deal really but it would've been really nice if they explained it a bit more. It eliminates problems which could crop up later on when it gets a tad more confusing. It would also be alot more interesting.
- How the law worked in relation to precrime. Kinda hard to swallow that citizens would agree to such a thing. The end justifies the means? This is a good theme. Please treat it well? Writers/Director: Nah we'll just let the audience accept it so they don't have to think about it as much and get confused. Even though it's a critical aspect of precrime and of the whole movie really.

Heaps more but how about the more complex ones.

- Minority reports - name of the vision that differs from the other two visions. They make a point that if one had a minority report then the future could play out differently. Anderton endeavors to find out his. Firstly he doesn't have one, but he knows his future so he can change it right? So why not just tell/warn people they might commit a crime instead of just arresting them and mind numbing them? Not only that but since there was no minority report then minority reports played hardly a part in the story. Nothing at all. Pointless. It's just a catchy name. Echoes and predestiny played a far greater part...
- Minority reports themselves is another massive theme. Parallel timestreams etc. But it was barely touched on let alone handled well. It was like it was only examined enough so that anyone can easily understand them. No risks are taken in making or writing the movie. It's safe and this will be discussed later.
- When Anderton shot the guy (the guy shot himself), it was like a point was being made that the future cannot be changed. Good point but... um but wasn't the future changed nearly every single time the precrime unit went to arrest someone? Great point there... Absolutely no consequence or purpose.
- When Anderton abducted the precog, she could see the immediate future in alot of clarity (baloons etc.). I thought that they could only see moments of immense tension like murders etc but then I heard it was because she was close to Anderton therefore the visions were clearer. So then why couldn't she see more of Anderton's "crime" in the future? Inconsistencies? Definately to advance the narrative but it was just too silly. Perhaps they cannot control the level at what they see in visions? Fair enough... i suppose...
- Why doesn't the precog do anything to prevent events from occurring. All she did was just watch and cower. She knew what was going to happen but she didn't do anything. In real time she saw that the guy shot himself so she was a witness. Bah, it was immensely frustrating.
- I won't go into the time thing cause it would take ages but if you think about it, it doesn't flow and it doesn't make logical sense. Especially when you combine it with the points about echoes and minority reports. People usually would just say, "it's a time thing so it's too confusing i'll let it slide", but that's exactly what semi-dodgy scripts want people to think. No respect given to complex themes at all. Don't dumb it down to the point where it becomes faulty and basically pointless!!
- The simplicity of the precog's mother's murder was insulting. Way to treat something so that everyone can feel like they get it. The issue of echoes is a huge theme but they only touched on it by reducing it to basically a plot event to put away the bad guy. Please... It ties in with so many thing. Especially the "master" plan of the bad guy/good guy.
- The abandoning of precrime at the end was incredibly silly. The facilities were just left there but they still can provide incredibly useful information to law enforcement. An example of where the movie basically pushes the its opinion onto the audience by showing the extreme.

There are a few more but this is getting long. Last point...

The film plays it safe. It's not surprise that Spielberg doesn't like risky endings. Take a look at AI for example. Though it wasn't too bad, ending it 20 mins earlier would've been alot better. Minority report deals with awesome themes and they were hardly explored at all. Such themes deserved to be explored more efficiently and for god's sake, don't dumb it down. They are meant to have an impact but instead we get ideas pushed onto us with scenes that seem to come out of a fairytale (the inane last scene: zooming out from a log cabin with rolling green hills is probably the worst in awhile).

I hear the book has a vastly different ending and is far more fitting to the whole idea of precrime and visions, i won't mention it now but if you don't trust me, read the short story by Phillip K Dick the film was based on. Even better was the alternate ending i've heard of. Why does the movie play it safe? Because risk seems to not exist in hollywood movies (and no i'm not against hollywood movies). That's sad considering that such important themes will be handled poorly with padded gloves so as to pander to the below average attention span of most moviegoers. This movie, if handled by directors such as lynch or kubrick would've most likely been handled alot better. Though they have less of a budget, at least they are willing to take risks.

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I found the movie entertaining. No doubt about that. I filled the holes in, i let the movie take its course but I would have preferred if it went into it alot deeper which is what such themes deserved. I expected more in terms of ideas. Instead the movie did the minimal amount and left gaping holes in such great themes and what could've been, a great plot. Yes i'm one of those people that like to talk about movies. I love movies and especially storylines and narrative. Just accepting the face value of what is put in front of you is not only foolish but dangerous. But that's taking it to the extreme. I find talking about movies entertaining and am frustrated that directors/writers need to dumb down ideas and scenes to pander to a particular crowd. To get that particular age rating so that people that shouldn't be watching can fork over their $10. To get the majority of the audience to feel that they are now experts in complex themes and ideas. Blah blah blah, movies aren't just entertainment and you'd be a fool to think otherwise. Just like advertisements aren't just selling you a product...

As i mentioned before in this thread. Some movies aren't for everyone. I guess the way Minority Report was handled wasn't for me. You said it was short. So why not add in another 30-60min. It might give the characters more personality, flesh out the themes properly. Kinda similar to EP2 and how the supposed uncut script was much better at fleshing out characters than the movie itself. Just a little longer and it would've been much better. But then perhaps Minority Report wouldn't have been for you.

I wasn't taking a shot at you personally before but due to your post I feel i have to defend myself. I understood the movie to a point and am not just talking out of my ass. Sorry for making this a Minority Report thread temporarily too. If anyone has bothered to read this post till here, thanks heaps. At least you aren't one to just skim posts and then debate with the author before knowing the full situation. If anyone has anything to say against my points, go right ahead. Informed debating is productive.

heh longest post evar

Sorry :(

1562 words.

You sure like your movies don't you treeoflife?

there's a rape scene in vanilla sky? i just watched it and cant remember one...?

the scene where his honey (penelope cruz) turns into the crazy whench (cameron diaz)

stez you tard

that was a f***ed up movie.

I keep falling asleep everytime I watch this movie, not becasue its boring, simply because I end up watching it when I am stuffed

after seeing Mulholland Drive , im over movies that try to make you think

but this looks decent, so im up for one more i guess... GAY WORLD

that wasnt a rape scene.

he was already f***ing her and just wanted to finish off.

That was a wicked movie. All along you're thinkin "what a f***ed up dude..." how could he throw it all away when BAM ! He has a revelation that he's in his own nightmare, where he's god. When he get's to control it and control himself again, he get's to choose what he want's to do. It was such a cool ending to a really long, uberly drawn out movie and the ending is what made me like it :P