very interesting

weed ftw

extremely interesting. any info on the articile?

ftw = for the win btw

I feel moooorbid. haha

what the name of this show? ive seen it before - theres one episode where she doesnt wash for a month, another where she goes to thailand or something to get plastic surgery.. its pretty good, was on sbs i think.

So the stuff in the old days had more cannibanoid in it?

Whereas hydro now has less and more THC?

Either way she definatley wasn't enjoying that THC.

ps. If you wanna watch some interesting stuff youtube 'DMT'

It means that people who pay for supposed top quality bud expertly bred for it's THC content by growers are probably not having as good a time as some cowboy with a wild crop.

I dunno why I said cowboy. I thought long and hard about what word to use there, and cowboy is all I came up with.

Paging Chub

Jake, there has always been a wide range of THC avaliable.

The "the pot these days isn't anything like what we had back in the 60's" is as retarded as reefer madness. Some of the best selling strains these days are decades old and were always in excess of 20%+ THC. There has always been hash and hash oil, for 1000's of years, these can exceed 40% THC.

Everyones knew from day 1 that cannabis was more effective then Marinol (the prescribed THC medication) for just about every applicable purpose.

It's sad but the first generation of dementia-affected drug users are already coming through my nursing home. In recent months we have already had a 30-something and a 40-something come through.

One was alcohol abuse, the other was an ex-junkie (did a bit of everything I think). I mean it's sad, but what am I gonna knock back busines?

So for all you dope fiends out there. Go for it.

Yes, the first ever person to suffer mental health problems relating to drugs are just coming through infi's nursing home now!!!

I am talking about a generational tidal wave. Sure people have been abusing this s*** since forever.

In the future it will be mostly related to meth and speed and s*** like that. heroin users they just die. pot users well they fill all the low income jobs. and what's that one down the coast they're using at the moment, that's supposed to f*** you up too.

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What's that got to do with cannabis, seems like alcohol and hard drugs were the cause?

The stats are very low for cannabis related problems, both mental and physical. A LOT of people smoke, sometimes people forget how widely abused this drug is. It's not completely safe, but it's definitely not causing anywhere near the problems of alcohol and other legal drugs.

Everyone would be better off completely sober, but that will never be the case, in the meantime go rain on the parade of the alcohol drinkers, tobacco smokers and the prescription drug uers that are in the MILLIONS of deaths a year before ragging on a plant that to this date still doesn't have 1 single confirmed death.

It's a minority of smokers, most with predisposed underlying mentall illness, that suffer psychological problems.

I agree with the meth though and MDMA to a certain extent... there's definitely going to be a price to pay for abusing that crap.

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Smoking ciggies doesn't kill you also. The cancer that is greatly contributed by it certainly does.
Pot has it's fair share of carcinogens in it also, don't pretend it doesn't.

I also think drinking is at ridiculous levels.

You also have to remember that out of the 'A LOT' of people you mention that smoke it, most probably don't abuse it, kind of like alcohol.

How far between tokes is your average Chub?

where do you sign up to get high?

Kind of interesting I spose.

Weed harvested earlier gives you a lighter happier high and weed harvested really late gives you a real deep downer high. If you correlate that with the video and assuming THC continues to be excreted as the buds mature that would all come together nicely and explain why buds harvested at different times have different highs.

Be interesting to see the reactions of the other people in the test.

Yeah I think we should make our own documentary...

sounds to me like thc is the reason i stopped smoking regularly

Smoking ciggies doesn't kill you also. The cancer that is greatly contributed by it certainly does.
Pot has it's fair share of carcinogens in it also, don't pretend it doesn't.

I also think drinking is at ridiculous levels.

You also have to remember that out of the 'A LOT' of people you mention that smoke it, most probably don't abuse it, kind of like alcohol.

How far between tokes is your average Chub?

It's definitely the lesser evil when compared to alcohol, but unlike alcohol the only person it's harming is the user itself. You can't compare a heavy everyday smoker to a person that has a few beers on the weekend, compare them to an alcoholic. I've only known one proper alcoholic in my lifetime that used all day/everyday, he's dead now (died at 28). Dose for dose, cannabis is a much safer drug in practically every single aspect, to the user and to society.

The Cannabinoids such as THC/CBD/CBN and others are non-toxic and non-carcinogenic, all physical health problems related to the consumption of cannabis is due to the act of smoking... smoking anything is bad for you, I'm not here to argue that, but it's pretty much scientific fact that smoking tobacco is far worse for your physical health then smoking cannabis.

You have ignored vaporizers, you're a scientist, you can appreciate proper research.

http://www.maps.org/mmj/Gieringer-vaporizer.pdf

The new study used a gas chromatograph mass spectrometer (GCMS) to examine the gas components of the vapor. The analysis showed that the Volcano® vapor was remarkably clean, consisting 95% of THC with traces of cannabinol (CBN), another cannabinoid. The remaining 5% consisted of small amounts of three other components: one suspected cannabinoid relative, one suspected PAH, and caryophyllene, a fragrant oil in cannabis and other plants. In contrast over 111 different components appeared in the gas of the combusted smoke, including a half dozen known PAHs. Non-cannabinoids accounted for as much as 88% of the total gas content of the smoke.

You have also ignored oral cannabis, which has ZERO lung damage and if consumed this way, cannabis pretty much has NO negative longterm physical health effects.

When it comes down to it though. Cannabis users are only hurting themselves. It doesn't cause an increase in crime, it doesn't cause an increase in violence. Their basic reasoning/judgement/morals remain unaffected by the drug, I can't recall a single instance where cannabis caused someone to act dangerously in public.

Alcohol has been linked to an increase in all types of violence... assaults, rapes, domestic/child abuse. It's been shown to significantly affect your motor function to the point where you are a danger to others. Your reasoning/judgement/morals are affected by alcohol, anyone that has drunk to excess has stories about doing things (often illegal) that are significantly out of character.

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sounds to me like thc is the reason i stopped smoking regularly

Cook up some brownies.

Oral cannabis consumption has the highest levels of cannabinoids (other then THC), much larger then smoking/vaporizing.

I once had a dream someone gave me pure THC. It was in a shopping centre, and they had one of those taste-test things, where they usually give you a piece of cheese on a toothpick, except it was a white powder in a bong the guy claimed was pure THC. It felt so unsafe, and gave me couchlock for the rest of the dream and I couldn't even talk. That's f***ed up when the strongest weed you ever had wasn't even a real experience.

But damn watching the THC-only part of that video brought it all back.

Life kills so why care? People who want to live this ultra pure lifestyle seem to think they will get a badge at the end. I find it hard to not laugh at stupid c***s who think that doing the "right thing" their whole life is a worthwhile cause. When in the end nobody gives a s*** and they don't care what you do. Indulge away, never abstain.

Hey dirtyape you have a massive stain on your brain, some people do it for their own reasons doesn't have to be for a badge from other people? Sounds like you are projecting your own life you do other things for other people but instead of being clean you are dirty HAHAHAAH. Oh by this is I mean you spend your life being dirty to please other people instead of doing things for yourself.

in that vid they inject the woman with 'thc'... you have to assume it's pure thc. but surely when people smoke 'skunk' or woteva the high thc weed is called they aren't getting pure thc but the chemical that comes from thc being heated, thc delta9 or something. unless the thc was preheated or something... who knows.

why is this woman's opinion of any importance anyways? a proper test surely would involve more subjects.

If it ain't heated by smoking its vaporised or its heated in the stomach.

Poor corrupt you have no idea about much at all do you. If you think I live a life of debauchery because I feel bad you go for it. At best you will have 80-90 years on this planet and to me living the first 60 well so you final days are comfortable is a sick joke. Have a good time and don't worry about what could happen is all I am about.

in that vid they inject the woman with 'thc'... you have to assume it's pure thc. but surely when people smoke 'skunk' or woteva the high thc weed is called they aren't getting pure thc but the chemical that comes from thc being heated, thc delta9 or something. unless the thc was preheated or something... who knows.

There's no study that shows the modern strains cause more psychosis. On the contrary, all the anecdotal evidence suggests that the medical grade cannabis strains cause less undesirable side effects.

There's a reason why medical cannabis disperasies are filled with super high THC (20%+) strains like White Widow and Trainwreck. You also have to smoke/vaporize less. If you compare it to US NIDA federal medical cannabis, which is 4% THC, you are consuming 1/5th the amount, therefor 1/5th the lung damage for the same active ingredients.

If you smoke the same amount of medical cannabis as you do s***ty outdoor bush, of course you're going to experience more side-effects, but you will also be considerably "higher". If you drink 375ml of XXXX and 375ml of straight Bundy, I'm sure you would notice a difference in side effects too! If you drank 30 - 40ml of Bundy instead, you would achieve the same "high".

Bah.

Gimme some Blueberry anyday.

http://www.goldenseed.co.uk/imageshtml/blueberry1.jpg

Poor corrupt you have no idea about much at all do you. If you think I live a life of debauchery because I feel bad you go for it. At best you will have 80-90 years on this planet and to me living the first 60 well so you final days are comfortable is a sick joke. Have a good time and don't worry about what could happen is all I am about.

Give this man a cookie!

last edited by CHUB at 10:29:15 12/May/09

a proper test surely would involve more subjects.

She does say at some stage that she is just one of many participants. I'd doubt her data would even be used though because of the very different circumstances under which she was tested.

There's no study that shows the modern strains cause more psychosis.

You use the term "more psychosis", so not sure you'll be interested in this quick google scholar search result, but I would have thought any psychosis above zero would be a concern.

Abstract
Background

Recent advances in the neurobiology of cannabinoids have renewed interest in the association between cannabis and psychotic disorders.
Methods

In a 3-day, double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled study, the behavioral, cognitive, motor, and endocrine effects of 0 mg, 2.5 mg, and 5 mg intravenous Δ-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (Δ-9-THC) were characterized in 13 stable, antipsychotic-treated schizophrenia patients. These data were compared with effects in healthy subjects reported elsewhere.
Results

Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol transiently increased 1) learning and recall deficits; 2) positive, negative, and general schizophrenia symptoms; 3) perceptual alterations; 4) akathisia, rigidity, and dyskinesia; 5) deficits in vigilance; and 6) plasma prolactin and cortisol. Schizophrenia patients were more vulnerable to Δ-9-THC effects on recall relative to control subjects. There were no serious short- or long-term adverse events associated with study participation.
Conclusions

Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol is associated with transient exacerbation in core psychotic and cognitive deficits in schizophrenia. These data do not provide a reason to explain why schizophrenia patients use or misuse cannabis. Furthermore, Δ-9-THC might differentially affect schizophrenia patients relative to control subjects. Finally, the enhanced sensitivity to the cognitive effects of Δ-9-THC warrants further study into whether brain cannabinoid receptor dysfunction contributes to the pathophysiology of the cognitive deficits associated with schizophrenia.

~Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol effects in schizophrenia: Implications for cognition, psychosis, and addiction
Biological Psychiatry, Volume 57, Issue 6, Pages 594-608
D.D’Souza, W.Abi-Saab, S.Madonick, K.Forselius-Bielen, A.Doersch, G.Braley, R.Gueorguieva, T.Cooper, J.Krystal

That has nothing to with medical grade cannabis.

It's IV THC.

pot users well they fill all the low income jobs

.. stupid quote of the day

this chick did another docco living in Amsterdam for a month or so... it's prolly on the youtubes somewhere.

interesting stuff!

weed h8rs get out so we can cihll okay

I found the docco that I mentioned: should.i.smoke.dope.ws.pdtv.xvid-remax


the name of the lass who makes these doccos/reports is Nikki Taylor.


she's made a series of (sometimes quite funny) vids that revolve around the things that humans in Western Society do to their bodies (binge drinking, not washing properly, eating junk, etc)..

she makes things a little more interesting being the pubject person subjected to these 'tests'.


worth a look :P

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Cheers koopz!

Looking into it now.

If you are interested in a highly scientific look at the effects of smoking weed you should watch a film called "Super high me".

Doesn't cigarettes and weed both have Tar in them? So can't you blame weed as much as cigarettes for people dying of cancer? I know Chub said that there hasn't been a single weed related death, but what about the tar content?

Doesn't cigarettes and weed both have Tar in them? So can't you blame weed as much as cigarettes for people dying of cancer? I know Chub said that there hasn't been a single weed related death, but what about the tar content?

Lets ignore eating cannabis, which has zero lung damage. Also vaporizers, which as shown in the study above are amazingly clean compared to combustion.

Smoking anything is bad for you, but as of yet there hasn't been a single death linked to cannabis consumption alone. I'm not making this s*** up, if you can find a single death, go shove it in the face of the large amounts of highly educated academics that study cannabis.

It's burning plant material, of course it's going to damage your respiratory system. Smoking tea leaves, mint, basil or your astro turf will damage your lungs too. Cannabinoids have been shown to be non-toxic, the LD50 of THC is so amazingly high that you would have to smoke several years/decades worth of cannabis within literally seconds.

You don't need to burn it... but if you do, it's not going to rape the f*** out of you like tobacco.

Does tar = cancer? That's not conclusive in the slightest.

last edited by CHUB at 14:06:24 17/May/09

Hah! This doco where she goes to amsterdam is f***ing hilarious! A must watch.

The chick at the coffee shop "take 2 puffs, then put it down for 10 - 15 minutes and see how you feel".

She takes like 10 hits straight, "I don't feel anything", takes another 20... then BAM, panic attack to the max, she is completely munted. Her words "that was the worst day in my entire life"

I LOLed @ the "morning after", she's looking around there's empty Toblerone and candy wrappers over the place... thinking "wtf?".

Also a deep inhalation of cannabis can trigger a certain cough in your lungs that actually helps get rid of the tar. There is a technical term for chemicals that do this, but I can't remember.

Correct.

That explains why a big hit of vapor makes you cough just as much, if not more then combusted smoke, despite virtually zero tar.

There is a technical term for chemicals that do this, but I can't remember.

THC is a bronchidilator

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Also a deep inhalation of cannabis can trigger a certain cough in your lungs that actually helps get rid of the tar. There is a technical term for chemicals that do this, but I can't remember.

Yeah because emphysema is wonderful.

The chick at the coffee shop "take 2 puffs, then put it down for 10 - 15 minutes and see how you feel".

She takes like 10 hits straight, "I don't feel anything", takes another 20... then BAM, panic attack to the max, she is completely munted. Her words "that was the worst day in my entire life"

that had me laughing my ass off as well.

I especially loved the scene where she's high as a kite and trying to perform a professional interview with the dude who runs the museum. I had to pause the vid because I was laughing too hard to pay attention for a couple of mins :P

gawd I hope this stuff is around when my kids are old enough to watch it.. on one hand it'll give them the idea that smoking some weed isn't going to kill you or ruin your life, while at the same time instill an instense fear of smoking 'just anything' that someone at school/work/socially offers them because it'll make you a very sad panda indeed

hehe



last edited by koopz at 08:28:17 18/May/09

By the looks of things, the cannabinoid is the stuff that makes you giggle like a schoolgirl and THC is the stuff you mellow out on.

I can't remember how many times I was told to just have more so I would get 'in the zone'. I am glad I was a half cone giggler and didn't bother becoming anything more.

It looks horrible - but I know so many morbid, irrational and paranoid people due to cannabis smoking.

That along with cigarettes is something I am glad I left in my teenage years.

I especially loved the scene where she's high as a kite and trying to perform a professional interview with the dude who runs the museum. I had to pause the vid because I was laughing too hard to pay attention for a couple of mins :P

Hah, I couldn't believe that bit, she was acting like a complete spaz.

The guy is genuinely passionate for cannabis and explaining everything in technical terms, then she looks at the picture of the guinea pigs on the hemp products and starts LOLing non-stop and has to leave.

You can see the look on the guys face, like "you f***ing retard".

It looks horrible - but I know so many morbid, irrational and paranoid people due to cannabis smoking.

I hear people say that, but I haven't met any of them.

Sure I know some lazy smokers, but they are lazy anyway. Anytime they quit they often start drinking more and they're worse off.

Don't know any psychotic smokers, perhaps our group just got lucky?

last edited by CHUB at 08:38:48 18/May/09

Don't know any psychotic smokers, perhaps our group just got lucky?

it probably says more about the company that you keep eh

I hear people say that, but I haven't met any of them.

These are people in the baby boomer age group, not people my age. it's the long term use that f***s you up the worst.
But that said, is it f***ed up people who smoke? or does smoking cause people to become f***ed up?

Kat, there is a direct causal link - smoking causes some people to become f***ed up.

Is it such a risk Billy that it should be criminal?

Nobody is saying it's good for you, besides the medical patients, I believe everybody (including myself) would be better off not smoking cannabis. I also think everyone would be better off not drinking alcohol also... along with junk food etc.

You take the good with the bad.

Don't turn it into a crime, provide the facts and let people decide themselves.

Don't know any psychotic smokers, perhaps our group just got lucky?

Yeah I know someone, but he drinks HEAPS as well as smokes HEAPS. The alcohol makes him flip out, but the weed.....makes him really paranoid - thus he needs xanax to make him chill out - woo hoo...what a combo.
He can be a freaking psycho, completely irrational etc.
Then he'll get off it for a while and be great and normal. Then slowly get back into it......

It's a pity because the rest of the crew has given weed the flick as most of us want to acheive rather than waste our lives away.

And that is what most smokers do.

They smoke it for a while during their younger years, harp on about how it isn't affecting them and several years later realize that it does and they give it up and move on.
Chub is still in smoking it for several years stage, give him time. :D

Also, there is no point to making it legal. It is already illegal and has little value in being legal as a drug, medical or recreational. For most potential applications of thc there is an alternative drug that has fewer side effects (getting high counts as a side effect btw). For the very few people who actually don't have an alternative they are still able to access it for their medical reasons.

I'm sure that if alcohol wasn't so ingrained in Human culture across the world and was suddenly invented around now, it too probably wouldn't be legal, as with cigarettes.








last edited by Tollaz0r! at 15:04:25 18/May/09

Chub, I'm not arguing for or against the legality of it. You raise a good point though - liver disease is up there as one of the biggest killers, so why isn't alcohol illegal? That was a rhetoric question, but I guess alcohol has been socialised over thousands of years.

ftw = for the win btw

This is a nerd/gaming forum...

I love how he used a tla in explaining another tla

hahaha

Also, there is no point to making it legal. It is already illegal and has little value in being legal as a drug, medical or recreational.

Do you know how much it costs these days? Obviously not if you think it has no value. :P

Cannabis is something people will spend their money on, regualarly, even in an recession. Then they will go buy mountain dew and twisties and hire DVDs. It has many medical, recreational, and even manufacturing applications, as well as being something that would affect the economy as much as any basic commodity, if it were legitimised.

The chick at the coffee shop "take 2 puffs, then put it down for 10 - 15 minutes and see how you feel".

She takes like 10 hits straight, "I don't feel anything", takes another 20... then BAM, panic attack to the max, she is completely munted. Her words "that was the worst day in my entire life"


Can you link this vid? Thanks.

Auz_Guy if you're really interested go to Google and search the name of the BBC documentary:

it's called "should i smoke dope"

the BBC has put a lot of it's doccos free on the web in the past.. I'm not sure if this one is up on the BBC site or whether it's one of those scenarios where people upload it to YouTube and the original creator just allows it to stay up there for the free publicity

last edited by koopz at 18:42:18 18/May/09

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/

nah they stopped playing it last year

Thanks for the name...found it on the tubes. That chick is a riot. How's the cat? Looks as munted as her.

Life kills so why care? People who want to live this ultra pure lifestyle seem to think they will get a badge at the end. I find it hard to not laugh at stupid c***s who think that doing the "right thing" their whole life is a worthwhile cause. When in the end nobody gives a s*** and they don't care what you do. Indulge away, never abstain.

f***ing amen brother

I especially loved the scene where she's high as a kite and trying to perform a professional interview with the dude who runs the museum. I had to pause the vid because I was laughing too hard to pay attention for a couple of mins :P Hah, I couldn't believe that bit, she was acting like a complete spaz. The guy is genuinely passionate for cannabis and explaining everything in technical terms, then she looks at the picture of the guinea pigs on the hemp products and starts LOLing non-stop and has to leave. You can see the look on the guys face, like "you f***ing retard". It looks horrible - but I know so many morbid, irrational and paranoid people due to cannabis smoking. I hear people say that, but I haven't met any of them. Sure I know some lazy smokers, but they are lazy anyway. Anytime they quit they often start drinking more and they're worse off. Don't know any psychotic smokers, perhaps our group just got lucky?

Amen brother

f***... think i might have missed a past life as a priest

Hah, the cat is awesome!

Such a stoner.

ahhh this thread is fantastic.

Also just quickly I'm wonder if everyone's got a routine, like for me...the best part is smoking on the front balcony watching rain come down at night....specially with a nice cool breeze...mmmmmmmm. Ah well im quitting before i decide to have kids and once they move out when they are old and full of good morals, I'm going right back into it and enjoy my end years lol being a old man trippin ballz LOL.

Yeah it would be s*** to have to share your weed with your kids...

i thought it was going to be a video by this nikki taylor..
http://www.you.com.au/image/nikki001.jpg

thats what she looks like after you put on the beer goggles

Yeah it would be s*** to have to share your weed with your kids...

that and the fact they would catch on whats going on, plus all that stress + weed ive seen so many people go off the rails, i rather enjoy it with my retirement.

Life kills so why care? People who want to live this ultra pure lifestyle seem to think they will get a badge at the end. I find it hard to not laugh at stupid c***s who think that doing the "right thing" their whole life is a worthwhile cause. When in the end nobody gives a s*** and they don't care what you do. Indulge away, never abstain.

What about putting up with who you are for your whole life? Some people don't do things because they don't like who they become or they simply don't want to because they want to be able to look in the mirror and respect themselves

i smoked a fair bit of weed during high school (no pun intended) but quit after year 12 because I would get so f***ing paranoid (mooooooooooooorbid). I can't smoke it much at all now because it takes me a whole week to come down - if not longer.

good vid, makes sense.