I caved to the hype and picked up an 8gb black.. didn't have to queue or anything which was good (about 2pm friday) :)

So far I'm pretty impressed but its far from perfect. I think this firmware release has a few memory leaks.. if the phone has been on for a while the keypad in SMS conversations can lag a bit + the contact list takes 2 or 3 seconds to become active after clicking.

Apart from those 2 annoyances which I'm sure apple will fix soon enough, the phone is frickin awesome! :)

The browser is great, maps are awesome...

Who else got one? What apps are you running?

Still waiting for Optus insurance to get back to me about getting one.. *SIGH*

But tell me more, was it all that it was hyped up to be? What phone did you have previously and how does it compare.

I went from a 4 year old PDA phone (XDA IIs) running WinMobile 2003 and a 2 year old 20GB iPod Photo to a white 16GB iPhone 3G.

Have not fully had a decent chance to play and setup all my calendar appointments and contacts and music playlists but i am loving it so far. As for the phone and 3G side of it, would not know. I went from Telstra to Optus and due to Telstra giving Optus the wrong account number, i only just got it sorted so waiting for it to change over. Hopefully very soon.

Looking forward to having a single device that does everything nicely.

Played with the GPS a bit using wireless for map downloading and i love how easy it is to use and accurate it is.

The camera surprised me a bit to. And not for how basic it is, but for how good it is to what i thought it might be. Really surprised at how easy it is to use and how good the pics look despite it being only 2MP. Lacking video but hopefully that will be patched soon.

All in all, very happy with my purchase and looking forward to being one of those wankers that shows off his phone at every possible chance.

"where should we go for dinner"

"let me just look that up and see all the resturants near me and get directions and see the traffic report for the area and checkout the resturants websites and call them and book a table and check the weather for the drive and calculate the cost on my calculator and sort a playlist of songs and videos to watch while waiting for food"

I went from a SE w880i, and the iphone basicly s***s all over it.. which is understandable seeing as how the w880i isn't a 'smartphone'.

I think it lives up the hype pretty well :) Here are some screenshots of the browser (which is the best i've seen on a mobile).

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/1425/qglcp6.th.jpg



http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/4973/qgl2ns6.th.jpg



Had it running next to a nokia e61 and a blackberry pearl and there is no comparison.

One more annoying this is you can't add attachments from the compose email screen.. if you want to email a photo you need to open the photo, and then select email.. :( how do i send 2 photos at once? i dont think i can :(

The camera surprised me a bit to. And not for how basic it is, but for how good it is to what i thought it might be. Really surprised at how easy it is to use and how good the pics look despite it being only 2MP. Lacking video but hopefully that will be patched soon.

Lol I dont think so ... you most likely wont get video till they release the iPhone 3G version 3 with video and a ne wwallpaper also based on the colour of Elvi's Presleys underpants from 1965 during his trip to LA

Lol I dont think so ... you most likely wont get video till they release the iPhone 3G version 3 with video and a ne wwallpaper also based on the colour of Elvi's Presleys underpants from 1965 during his trip to LA

there were video recording apps for jailbroken 1st gen iphones so i'm sure we'll see one soon in the appstore..

Waiting for the dust to settle, and to see if it will be workable on Three.

rom another forum:


- no mms
- 2mp camera (no flash)
- cant bluetooth files between devices
- no front camera (no video calling)
- cant use your mp3's as ringtones
- 24 month contract (even on prepaid...locked to optus for 24 months)
- is useless without data usage (and plans for it dont have enough)
- heat recognition touch screen (wont recognize cold fingers, nails)
- stupid "bricking" process (you cant swap sim cards without doing a process on a computer)
- If left in sun or warm area touch screen freaks out
- ugly
- heavy

All hype.

Lol I dont think so ... you most likely wont get video till they release the iPhone 3G version 3 with video and a ne wwallpaper also based on the colour of Elvi's Presleys underpants from 1965 during his trip to LA

There is a free application available on installer once you have jailbroken your iphone. I have it on my iphone. The jailbreak / unlock softwre will be out in the next 2 days for the new 3G iphone.

lol eighty-eight, hate much? you sound pretty convinced that it's s***..you're like a fanboy - but opposite. most of your points are wrong anyway.

you can get it on a 12mth contract with optus, and with prepaid you can unlock it instantly for $80 or after 6mth for free.

my middle of the range plan has 500mb.. what other phones have you seen with better plans? this is a game-changer not just if you want an iphone but for all models. without it we'd still be stuck with 10mb a month. 500 is plenty, works out to about 18mb a day which i think is plenty.. unless they release a torrent app.

i donth think its ugly, or heavy

- no mms don't care
- 2mp camera (no flash) good enough for me
- cant bluetooth files between devices never used this feature before on any phone
- no front camera (no video calling) never used videocalling
- cant use your mp3's as ringtones yes you can, via iTunes and GarageBand
- 24 month contract (even on prepaid...locked to optus for 24 months) Not really a handset fault
- is useless without data usage (and plans for it dont have enough) Unlock and use on three with $40 2GB x-series platinum
- heat recognition touch screen (wont recognize cold fingers, nails) actually it works on capacitance, not heat
- stupid "bricking" process (you cant swap sim cards without doing a process on a computer) granted, but I don't swap sims
- If left in sun or warm area touch screen freaks out can't comment, haven't seen this happen
- ugly Subjective
- heavy Compared to what?

ooh, touchy.

i can see both sides of the fence. yes it's pretty difficult to make a perfect phone with all the features and make it innovative all the time.

however

iphone is not as awesome as fans will have you believe.

I know who didn't get one - boba

Nah, I'm smart enough not to give into the over-the-top hype.

hey dont blame me i just got that from another forum. but id still have a n95i anyway.

wheres Billy? out buying one??

When are they going to release a phone as small as the ipod nano. Id buy that phone.

iphone is not as awesome as fans will have you believe.

and

Nah, I'm smart enough not to give into the over-the-top hype.

have you guys got one? or even tried one?
Everyone I know who has one has been very pleased with them, despite all their shortcomings (no mms, aus mobile carriers giving piss-poor data plans). almost everyone else who's had a play with mine has wanted one afterwards

the interface is awesome
videos look fantastic
having an ipod with you at all times can come in handy
the calendar runs my life
browsing the web is almost as good as being on a computer
the screen appears to be completely scratch-proof
3rd-party apps have the potential to make it all even better
but the important thing is it works great as a phone - I can dial numbers, and people can ring me (don't laugh, I knew a guy who had an O2 smartphone that wouldn't receive calls. he now loves his iphone)

I've had mine for 4 months now and couldn't imagine going back to anything else. the only thing that really annoys me is that my plan has no data on it, but I get by with minimal usage (around 1MB per month). that'll hopefully change soon tho.

compared to all the people at work who have blackberries that keep requiring a repair/replacement, the iphone is also proving really reliable. I did brick mine once when I was messing around with settings for 3rd party apps, but that was my fault, and it was easy enough to get it working again.

i'm not saying they're the ultimate phone ever, but in my opinion they're better than anything else on the market at the moment. if you call them over-hyped, then go back to your nokia 8210 cos you obviously don't believe a phone should do anything more than call/sms.

cerb, settle mate. yes i have tried one (a mates on friday)
i don't get too wound up by phones, my work blackberry 8800 was more than i could care for
yes i will go back to my 8210 equivalent.

yeh, my post did get a bit outta control didn't it?

i'm just getting tired of people going out of their way to prove the iphone is s***.

I don't actually get too worked up over phones either. I had a V3 for over 2 years before this cos it was more than enough for what I needed - I could make/receive calls & sms and take the occasional blurry drunken photos. I was even going to stick with it even longer, but my girlfriend got me my iphone for my birthday and now I'm hooked :)

almost everyone else who's had a play with mine has wanted one afterwards

just like the wii... which ended up getting zero use by said friends after the first month of purchase.

btw, can you copy/paste yet on the iphone?

+1 for Free work phones.

I dont need fancy s*** on my phone. Just as long as it can make/receive calls.

perceived value folks
someone is always going to like something if it suits their needs while the detractors try and point out the "issues" to change their mindset.

makes the world go round.....

btw, can you copy/paste yet on the iphone?

I've wanted to do that maybe once so far. tho i don't do any emailing on the phone, which is where i guess it would be handy

i dont get the hype

i can browse the web on my n95?

n95's pwn, and their camera is loads better, and takes videos

and it has sms, and it has video calling

Can't say I'm that interested in the iPhone. A guy at work has one, and my n95 8gb manages to humiliate his iPhone at every turn.

Isn't the battery completely ass on the n95 ? ... also expensive ?

lol its one thing to hate on the iphone, but to say the n95 is better is a joke.. do you really think that? cmon lol. just look at them side by side

no, battery is fine. mine lasts 2days with normal use

free on the 49 dollar cap (24month) with free?

its f***ing boner, the media centre on it f***ing owns, full screen videos on the big ass screen, the playlist music thing f***ing pwns, 2 speakers, its loud as f*** (good), its sturdy, i love it

i got one coming with optus. should be here thursday at the earliest.
beats the pants of my previous s***box nokia e65.

btw, can you copy/paste yet on the iphone?

Is this available on an E65? I can't find any ability to do it.

not that i've found.

Isn't the battery completely ass on the n95 ? ... also expensive ?

I get 3 days out of mine. And I paid nothing upfront and $50 a month. Nothing particularly expensive about that.

have you guys got one? or even tried one?

Got one? No. Used one? Yes. The big screen is nice, and I don't think it's bad, but I'm still glad that I got an N95-3 instead. What can it seriously do that I can't already do on my phone? I can name a few things I can do on my phone which I'd be s*** outta luck with on an iPhone.

I picked up my iPhone from Optus on launch morning. It's nice. Especially since I was upgrading from a nokia 6320 that no longer has a functioning hangup or back button.

I bought it outright (prepaid) so I can take advantage of the corporate plan I'm on. The data rates of the corporate plan arent all that and a bag of chips, specially since having played with it for 3-4 days now I can see myself using lots of web browsing/e-mail on it - it's too pimp/easy not to.

The thing that *really* grates me about the whole iPhone affair is that the accessories I'd been using for my ipod's (the bluetooth in my car GPS, the dongle that attaches an ipod to my car stereo, and old ipod chargers) don't work. Boo, hiss! At least my bluetooth dongle for the alpha-nerd sunnies still works.

Hah, you said dongle.

clicky

all i use my phone for is recieving calls, sms, msn and web browsing, oh the odd mms, which is sadly why i bought a hiptop slide with the telstra $30 hiptop plan, unlimited data sms and mms, my only gripe is the lack of 3g.

other phones i looked at was the n95 (which honestly had too much bulky s*** and no decent plans that met the data and sms usage i needed)

the iphone which again had features i didnt need and at the time the pricing and plans were abit :S considering what i needed.

and a few wm 6.0 phones, which again, s*** plans, and more features then i needed.

all in all i was happy i found a phone that offered exactly what i want. was a little disappointed when i found out all the scene kiddies also have them though :(

As long as I can dial a number, the phone at the other end rings, someone answers and I say what I have to say and then hang up, WHO CARES!!

Call me old school, but as long as my PHONE makes and receives PHONE CALLS, that's all I need.

are you still using a nokia 5110 lonewolf?

Well i guess my opinion is different as i'm more a "power user" than most (hate that term). I have a WM6.1 Hermes and the important features that i use are:

Bluetooth PAN for sharing the HSDPA internet connection with my laptop
Full E-Mail & IM capability.
Sync with both iCal & Exchange for calander & contact info.
Windows Remote Desktop capability.

I wont be buying a iPhone anytime soon, unable to PAN the internet to a laptop makes it useless for any mobile office situations, email capability is pretty crippled by even the lack of basic word processing functions (necessary when sending quotes from the phone), i'm not sure on its exchange sync capabilities tho as i've heard it can do some?

My sister has an iPhone and i had a play with it tonight, pretty interface and i like the screen resolution, but it still doesnt appear to have the power and professional usefullness that a WM6 device has.

So nothing has really changed in the market except that there is now a new entry level smart phone aimed at the average consumer. For true professional mobile use WM and (to a lesser degree) BlackBerry still own the market without question.

lol its one thing to hate on the iphone, but to say the n95 is better is a joke

I didn't say n95, I said I had an n95 8gb, its a different model so I can't speak for the normal n95, but the 8gb version, easily better than an iphone imo. Every feature the guy at work has shown off to me on his iphone so far, my n95 can do better. And like midda, I got no problem at all with battery life

So I just thought I had to reply, been at a conference for the last week with:

a) a n95 8gb
b) an ipod touch (before firmware 2.0 was out)
c) a dead laptop

I would have died if I didn't have the touch. I hadn't bothered to use either for internet / mail / calendar, but had both of them setup nicely with accounts. With my laptop dying on the first day, I had to use the mobile devices to survive. I have to say:

The touch *dominated* the n95 in terms of usability for mail / internet / calendar. Like blew it out of the water. I did try the n95 first, and got pissed off with it after about 20 minutes (using both the inbuilt browser and opera mini). Then, using the touch it just got better, better and better as I got more used to it.

One of the nights there was a conference dinner at some penthouse, so I needed navigation to get there from the centre. Again, the touch decimated the n95 (even with GPS in the phone). Was simply easier to use (minus finding the actual location).

In summary:

1) I like my n95, I gladly forked over 1200$ for it for the functionality
2) I bought a touch because I wanted something to watch movies on on the plane
3) The touch experience owned the n95 experience for doing media / internet related stuff
4) n95 GPS is nice, but slow (not sure what the iPhone GPS is like)
5) After the week, I am so tempted to ebaying both the Touch and the n95 to get an iPhone
6) The touch charges nicely with USB!!!!!
7) The n95 crashed more than the touch (although to be fair I had a crapload of custom software on the n95)
8) Battery life on the touch was a lot better than the n95 (although Twitter owns my n95 24/7)

Just my experiences from both devices. Also before the n95 I had an O2 XDA II, and I found it woeful (again just my experience).

Yeah I'm in the same boat as simul. Work gave me an E65, my personal phone is an old n80 and i also got a video ipod to watch movies on (screen small so would be nice to have something bigger). While laptop didnt die on me I forgot to take a UK plug and couldnt get one when I needed one so had to resort to the E65 but its browser sucked so ended up using my n80 which is abit better.

Think the iphone should fill in the gaps on my gadgetry and streamline it heh.

To everyone who bought the iPhone for an mp3 player, you realise any phone released in the last 2 years can do that, right? for significantly less, right? and won't need itunes.

Ahhh well, everyone gives into marketing hype and wants new shiny toys every now and then. And i think most of the haters in this thread just need to accept that. The iPhone isn't revolutionary (actually it's pretty average), but everyone wants a shiny new toy. We've all wasted money on some gadget that we look back on and go "yeah, i got screwed on that".

have you used an ipod or iphone mongie? also name me a phone thats got 32gb to store my goat porn :(

i dont get the hype

i can browse the web on my n95?

n95's pwn, and their camera is loads better, and takes videos

and it has sms, and it has video calling

as per usual, petey is spot on:

f*** not being able to make your own ringtones, how f***ing backward is that!?

i dont want to buy a ringtone EVER

and i need to be able to annoy my work mates with what ever super amusing mp3 i deem suitable for their personal ringtone

f***, id take my n73 over an iphone

ive never changed the ringtone on my phones ever, ive always had that nokia piano thingy , i dont get annoyed by people having s***ty ringtones but i laugh with them at how lame they are

The iPhone isn't revolutionary, but its internet and media software are miles ahead of current phone solutions like Nokias music player and crappy browser. Opera Mini is good for small content and compression but it doesn't come close to being remotely as good as Safari mobile is.

The iPhone is more of a media smartphone than a pro smartphone. The reason why *I* enjoy using the Mobile OSX based ipods etc is that they do a f***ing good job at making the operating system smooth and high-quality. It may be missing some features like videocam/mms but everything else they've got on them is very well developed.

have you used an ipod or iphone mongie? also name me a phone thats got 32gb to store my goat porn :(

Name me an iPhone that has 32GB of storage first...?

And yes, I've used the trifecta. iPod[s], iPhone and iPhone 3G.

Bluetooth PAN for sharing the HSDPA internet connection with my laptop Full E-Mail & IM capability. Sync with both iCal & Exchange for calander & contact info. Windows Remote Desktop capability. I wont be buying a iPhone anytime soon, unable to PAN the internet to a laptop makes it useless for any mobile office situations, email capability is pretty crippled by even the lack of basic word processing functions (necessary when sending quotes from the phone), i'm not sure on its exchange sync capabilities tho as i've heard it can do some?

From what I understand it can connect to an 802.11x AP for local net access so less of a need to go via bluetooth, apparently the latest version of the OS can connect to exchange for email and calendar which essentially if I am to get one is what i'll need it for. I would imagine with all the 3rd party development, someone will to rdp soon enough though I'd be happy even just with ssh. I read yesterday is supports some forms of vpn access as well which is cool.

I wouldn't mind grabbing one of these but as mentioned need to find out how well it handles exchange, also going to need to grab a dual sim adapter, anyone ever heard of a dual sim cards unit on a 3g phone taking a 2g and 3g sim? probably a long shot, i don't care that much about 3g for personal use so a 2g sim is fine for me but will require a 3g sim in the very near future for work.

3dee, what you're talking about there does make the iphone revolutionary.

It's amazing that people can't look past a feature list. It's not about having the first phone that can have third-party apps, or gps, or a browser; it's about the implementation of these things rocking the pants off everything that has come before.

Implementation is everything: How you use the thing to do human stuff.

I'm thankful that apple have put the experience first over having a phone that has a bajillion features. The iphone is their take on the best phone for the majority of people. And it's end-to-end: Industrial design, apps, OS architecture. All for making the use-case that I fall in the middle of awesome :D

There is a lot of hype around this product, but in my opinion it is deserved.

Half, Not Half-Assed
It Just Doesn't Matter

To everyone who bought the iPhone for an mp3 player, you realise any phone released in the last 2 years can do that, right? for significantly less, right? and won't need itunes.

Ahhh well, everyone gives into marketing hype and wants new shiny toys every now and then. And i think most of the haters in this thread just need to accept that. The iPhone isn't revolutionary (actually it's pretty average), but everyone wants a shiny new toy. We've all wasted money on some gadget that we look back on and go "yeah, i got screwed on that".

lolololol... I bought an mp3 phone 2 years ago, to replace my old dying iPod. It was so painful to use that I ended up spending more money to replace my old iPod battery. Although phones CAN play mp3's, none of them do it like an iPod. The sound quality of the iPod Touch is superior to anything I've ever heard on a mobile device too. Some people might really like the media capabilities of their phone, but if you took time to use the Touch you'd realise how much better it is.

Having said that, I can't afford an iPhone, and having an old mobile AND an iPod Touch suits me fine. Although my mobile can play movies and mp3's, I'd MUCH rather carry around an entirely separate device (the Touch), because it's much easier to use and is infinitely better quality. Also, f*** manually managing media files on a mobile - plugging my Touch into iTunes is soooo simple and is such an easy way to transfer music/movies/podcasts to and from the device.

In summary:
Do you have a hatred (for whatever reason) of iTunes?
-> Don't get an iPhone

Do you NOT hate iTunes?
->what functionality do you need from your phone? (Rather than, "what's the phone I can get that has the most functions?)
->decision, iPhone vs whatever else.

No one is forcing people to buy the iPhone or even like it. Get one if you like it, gtfo if you don't. It's kinda like the whole religion vs science thing. You're not going to convince a single member from either group that they're wrong, and arguing with them will probably just make them more stubborn.

Personally, I have found people's comments about the limitations of the iPhone interesting, but for me the benefits still massively outweigh the limitations (except the price). For example, I have never needed to cut and paste on my mobile before, and I have sent probably two MMS in two years, and if I had email handy I would have just used that instead.

People should keep listing the bad points of the iPhones, but get a clue and realise that it's highly unlikely that someone who wants an iPhone will read a list of bad points and think, "Oh s***, I won't be able to send a mate a crappy photo instantly f*** getting an iPhone."

so what plans did everyone go for? whats the best one?

whats the best one?

Haha.

Does anyone know how the iphone/ipod touch GPS works? I nearly fell off my chair when I saw how accurate it was.

4) n95 GPS is nice, but slow (not sure what the iPhone GPS is like)

did you update the the firmware because it runs red hot on the latest version.

Its all HYPE
Give it 4 months and it will just be another product but with bugs

Wait for the one Samsung is about to release (I am not normally a fan of their phones at all) , I have it from a inside source its going to blow iphone a new one

OMG IT'S HYPE!?

Of course it is, but there's also no denying it's a brilliant phone for the consumer it is aimed at.

Not hating or anything billy, just purely asking here, you know that on alot of reviews the iPods score middle --> lower end of the pack on music play back quality. Now, last time i checked was about 12 months ago, so i don't know if the Touches were on that scale or not.

If music play back quality is that large a factor in your decision, i'd check it out when/if you ever replace your touch.

Ok, hunt is on to find one in Brisbane. Anyone have any contacts that might know a shop with some stock left?

my uncle just gave me one that he was given as a gift.

noice.

Not hating or anything billy, just purely asking here, you know that on alot of reviews the iPods score middle --> lower end of the pack on music play back quality. Now, last time i checked was about 12 months ago, so i don't know if the Touches were on that scale or not.

If music play back quality is that large a factor in your decision, i'd check it out when/if you ever replace your touch.

Interesting... I was purely comparing the current Touch to an older model iPod and my Nokia phone. With each firmware upgrade of the iPod Touch, the quality gets better and better. I would be highly surprised if anything else could be this crisp, but I would be interested to find out!

Its all HYPE
Give it 4 months and it will just be another product but with bugs

Wait for the one Samsung is about to release (I am not normally a fan of their phones at all) , I have it from a inside source its going to blow iphone a new one

lol you know iPhone has been around for a year already? Samsung might have a lot of cool features, but as has been mentioned, it will be the way in which they are implemented that makes the phone good or not. My bet is, they will copy off the iPhone about 80%, and then the other 20% will be a mixture of better and worse.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3008/2639037565_77bf2c505c.jpg?v=0

what is the model of that samsung?

edit: Samsung i900 Omnia

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Does anyone know how the iphone/ipod touch GPS works? I nearly fell off my chair when I saw how accurate it was

From apple.com.au

How it works.

GPS (Global Positioning System) technology uses information from earth-orbiting satellites to find locations. A receiver estimates the distance to GPS satellites based on the time it takes for signals to reach it, then uses that information to identify its location. But the A-GPS (Assisted GPS) solution on iPhone 3G goes a step further, using a unique approach to find the closest satellites and more quickly identify your position. That gives you a faster fix on your location than with regular GPS.
Get the signal.

In addition to A-GPS, iPhone 3G uses signals from GPS satellites, Wi-Fi hot spots and cellular towers to get the most accurate location fast. If GPS is available, iPhone displays a blue GPS indicator. But if you’re inside — without a clear line of sight to a GPS satellite — iPhone finds you via Wi-Fi. If you’re not in range of a Wi-Fi hot spot, iPhone finds you using cellular towers. And the size of a location circle tells you how accurately iPhone is able to calculate that location: The smaller the circle, the more accurate the location.

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/4108/zomgub8.jpg

ET... trog's a newb, he meant how does the locater work on the iPod Touch (I think).

Question RE GPS on the iPhone - clearly you can't have all of Google Maps on your phone, so do you still need to download data when you use GPS?

BH:

Yeah, the iPhone polls the GPS then lines up the coords to a map that it downloads. There's no way (that I have found at least) to download a set of maps (say, the city you live in) once-off and not have to download them again. So, using it as a GPS device can get very expensive, very quickly.

Gotta love our telco's.

just download all the maps to a removable memory card... oh that's right.

i believe tomtom is making software for the iphone, which would cut out the need to be downloading maps all the time

google maps look so good on it tho :P

serial question:

can the iphone output via av cables to a tv like the n95 can?

coz thats a pretty handy feature as well

can the iphone output via av cables to a tv

yeah, they sell an av cable (component or composite) kit that's iphone/touch compatible

ET... trog's a newb, he meant how does the locater work on the iPod Touch (I think).

it attempts to find your location using wifi. Check out Skyhook Wireless for how that works and the coverage.

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my uncle just gave me one that he was given as a gift.

shouldn't you report that to the police?

just download all the maps to a removable memory card... oh that's right.

This has nothing to do with removable storage:p

there's an offline maps app for 1st gen.. im sure we'll see it again :) or wait a few days till jailbroken and load it up

will it blend ftw - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLxq90xmYUs

Still no a2dp support from apple! Disgraceful. They are as bad as Microsoft at times.

That Samsung i900 looks good. Wonder how much it'll be.

shouldn't you report that to the police?

why?

Hurrah my 500 bucks expected tax return can go towards my iPwn.

anyone else using the facebook app.. for some reason chat wont work for me, i just get "this message could not be delivered" - anyone else getting this, or am i a retard?

Put my order in today, now to sit back and wait a week (or two or three)

I put my order in on release date after waiting in line only to be told they were out of 16gb ones. They said 2 weeks but hopefully the wait is shorter

I'm gonna wait maybe a few more weeks then put an order in (or maybe even pick one up on the spot if they have stock). I don't have the money yet....

id like one now, but im going to wait for a more mature version of the 3G version. a few more firmwares and a little customer feed back from the multitudes they have just sold should make for a perfect phone to last me another 3yrs or so.

relevant

f***en lol

burn iphones theyre s***

n95 4 lyfe

mate at tafe has the 8gig one and the screen is even bigger and it looks even sleeker, i knew i should have got it >_<

That guy's face looks like it got caught in his blender.

hahaha not bad

n95-devotees versus iPhone-devotees. They're much the same really.

Anyway, good news for anybody who's contracted to 3, or for anybody who wants some decent data rates (2gb for $40? Yes please!). Unlocked iPhones from optus are working successfully on 3.

f***en lol

burn iphones theyre s***

n95 4 lyfe

mate at tafe has the 8gig one and the screen is even bigger and it looks even sleeker, i knew i should have got it >_<

I am gonna wait for n96 I think, theres still to many issues with the n95 (crappy flash, lower memory etc)

N95's feel like a bulky piece of flimsy plastic imo :/

The slide on them sucks. No spring. My E65's slide was awesome.

I hate my E65.. I wanted to change the icons that are on the main screen and after trying to figure it out I had to read the manual.

WHAT THE f*** IS THIS ABOUT ACTIVE STANDBY?!@? Call it a more meaningful name like "Quick Launch" or "Start Launch" OR SOMETHING NOT LIKE ACTIVE STANDBY.

SymbianOS is a piece of s***.

The slide on them sucks. No spring. My E65's slide was awesome.

Ummm, it slides. It clicks into place. What the hell do you want in a slide?

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/4108/zomgub8.jpg

LOL .... I feel honored you went to so much effort ...don't make be blush now :P

you most likely wont get video till they release the iPhone 3G version

Haha not even 3G.

Anyway, sounds crap. Especially compared to the mad stylings and skills of my Viewty. Would normaly not go with LG for quality, but this phone is awesome.

last edited by Gratuitously Provocative at 12:09:45 17/Jul/08

Ummm, it slides. It clicks into place. What the hell do you want in a slide?

The slide is spring activated. It springs open then springs back closed. Its much better than non-spring activated slides when you use one.

That said. I got over my E65. The OS was laggy as hell.

16GB 3G Iphones are going for $1500 on ebay.
8GB $1200 CRAZY!!!

Hahah u can buy them from Optus for $849.

Telstra will eventually do outright, but theyre low on stock so theyre only doing plans at the moment.

Hopefuly in a few weeks when I've got the money I can just go and get one outright from Telstra and not have to unlock to chuck my prepaid sim in.

Hahah u can buy them from Optus for $849

You can buy them outright??? Can you link to where you read this 3D?

Cheers

You can buy the 8gb and 16gb on prepaid plans but they are locked to the optus network, $80 will get them unlocked though

i wont be upgrading my phone any time soon (read 2 years)

i got an lg shine on my loyalty bonus thing for free from 3, then went and lost it somewhere in the met, so i went and got the n95 on contract for 38 dollars a month purely for the fone

that was smart ay lolz

Yeah I forgot the unlocking fee. But I was talking to a telstra guy today and they said once they sell em prepaid if you have a telstra sim you won't obviously need to unlock. But I plan on going to 3 so maybe i could wait until 3 get em..

I bought one and then sold it

woot just picked up my 16gb from optus

yeah me2. got my 16gb today from optus.

very nice so far.
synced just enough music for a while.. and sounds good.
found a trial program to create ringtones at the following link if anyones interested:
http://www.efksoft.com/products/iphoneringtonemaker/index.htm
(trial only lets you do 3 ringtones)
nice and easy to use.

my apps thread seems to have been ignored:(

I mentioned how the first VOIP was released already. I think it was called "truphone". Kinda sucks beacuse of data rates:(

Can't you just use mad net hax to unlock the phone instead of bending over and accepting the ridiculous provider fee to do it?

I mentioned how the first VOIP was released already. I think it was called "truphone". Kinda sucks beacuse of data rates:(

How does it differ to Fring?

Dont know waht taht is :O sorry

The iphone dev team has some news on there blog

So, currently (when released) PwnageTool 2.0 will support:-

iPhone (1st Gen) with 2.0 - Activated, Unlocked & Jailbroken, (with support for third party applications).

iPod Touch with 2.0 - Activated & Jailbroken, (with support for third party applications).

iPhone (3G) with 2.0 - Activated, Jailbroken (with support for third party applications).

The software should be out any time soon. It will be Mac only at 1st but it wont take long to get a windows version I'm sure.

Hey fellas who bought an iPhone, tell me about how much data you're burning through doing different things! I have a mate who has 250meg plan and he's going to struggle to get to that.

in a month or so ive used 80mb.
that included downloading quite a few apps..
emails.
general web browsing - news & facebook etc.
a few youtube videos also.

i thought i would have used more as i am on a 500mb data plan so i think i'll be alright.

real world phone N95.
gayworld iphone.

nice phathead! From most reports, seems like you'd have to be using it 24/7 to get to 500meg!

I can't get anywhere near my monthly allowance (700Mb).. generally I'm 90% of the time in range of WiFi (home/work/friends/etc) and while I'm out and about I'm just using Maps or doing e-mail sync'ing. Usage at the moment shows 90Mb over the past 3 weeks (granted 1 of them I was OS and didn't use it since I forgot to enable global roaming).

WinPwn came out over the weekend so I grabbed that and installed Cydia which is just opening up the capabilities for someone like me. Gives me access to a bash shell to do various tidbits (SSH to servers, usual networking tests, etc). Has come in handy when I've needed to do a thing or two but have not been near a PC.

Cellular data is 77.7meg down a 4.4 up and I have had it for about....2 weeks?

But that is also me looking at youtube, I have it synced to the exchange servers at work, I use shazam a heap and facebook.

That said home and work its tied into the wifi so I dont know how much its using.
Im ashamed to say, that I love this phone more than any windows mobile device I have owned.

I love all the iPhone detractors...I'm reminded totally of the iPod detractors who swore that their MP3-enabled discman was all that they would need and that iPods would never get a foothold in the market.

got one today from Harvey bay of all places 16gb black. Posting from it right now - I was never really a big fan till I realized how easy it was to get through heaps of information fast.

i want one but only if i can get it outright and when its cheaper :(

last edited by ravn0s at 23:19:47 12/Aug/08

I will probably be able to do my 300MB a month, but that's with lots of web browsing at work and on the train home. I've done 50MB down and 5MB up in my first 2 weeks.

I love this phone more than any windows mobile device I have owned.

Didn't read the thread, but I just recently got a Sony Erection k850i and I love it.

It's 5mp and has a flash, that's all I needed to know. So just go an enjoy those poxy iphones with 2mp and no flash :)

That is all.

I bought a 10 MP camera last week. When i want to take good photos i use it. When i want a happy snap and don't have my camera i use my iphone, it takes better pics than the camera on my HTC TyTn II did.

Yeah while not spectacular, I find the iPhone photos are good enough for quick picks and it takes a lot for it to go grainy.

I've used about 110MB (30Mb last night on interwebs lol) since 25th last month (when i got it) but I was going easy for a week or 2 since I was still on the 80MB plan but now im hammering it. I reckon I *could* reach 300 if I did a lot of safari browsing instead of using a pc if available but 300MB enough for me.

And, for me, this is pretty much the kind of phone I've always wanted but didn't really exist or was done well. Very happy customer.

last edited by ³dee at 07:51:45 13/Aug/08

I'm gonna get one

I love all the iPhone detractors..

Why don't you marry them then?

zing!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v358/AlexClarke/Starfighter/sarcasm_detector.jpg

I love this phone more than any windows mobile device I have owned.

Really, how come??

I find using my iPod touch to be utterly, utterly frustrating when I compare it to the ease of use and sheer speed of my Windows Mobile iPaq. The iPaq is like 4 years old or something so it has a comparitively s*** screen and of course PocketIE takes dick compared to Safari - but things are just soooo much faster/snappier in applications. Gmail in PocketIE is like 10x faster than Gmail in Safari as well (the PocketIE version is a no-frills javascriptless one though, but for simple reading its so much faster I find myself reaching for my ipaq over my ipod because its just so much faster to do things.

For general purpose application support Windows Mobile still obviously SMOKES the iPhone because it's got so many years of development behind it - but I don't know if it'll ever catch up, a) because the device is so much more locked down (eg on my Windows mobile I can just plug it in, drag/drop files onto it from Windows or Linux, and then use them immediately) and b) because Apple keep blocking any app that looks really awesomely useful (like that netsharing thing).

I actually thought Windows Mobile users would find the iPhone almost laughably lame in terms of what you can do with it (eg, having to convert videos to ipod happy format before playing them instead of just dropping anything into TCPMP or whatever).

I have to say the sheen of the new stuff (the Apps, etc - I only just got Email/Maps when I upgraded to the AppStore firmware a couple weeks ago so they're "new" for me even though they've been out for yonks) is still there for me though; it has a LOT of really great stuff and is dead easy to use which is nice, but I still feel like a Windows Mobile device is going to be of much more use to me at the moment (to the point where I'm actually looking at upgrading my iPaq).

Paraphrasing a comment I read in a recent Slashdot thread, the best part about the iPhone is the absolute kick in the ass it's given the mobile device industry. If you ignore the hopeless copycats trying to cash in on the touch screen phenomenon (I haven't seen any of these but I assume their software/UI sucks a dick compared to apples) there's going to be some great stuff coming soon.

Gmail in Safari

You do realise Mail.app supports full Gmail sync...

You've got it right though, as far flexibility goes, most decent mobile OSs beat Mobile OSX but there's reasons behind Apple's annoyances. Things like MMS and what not cause problems with music copyright (picture mms would be nice tho). I have no idea how video capture is a problem but hey what can you do. Also, the main reason you have to convert to ipod happy MPEG4/H.264 formats is because the iPhone has a hardware decoder chip for video and I guess they don't want to palm it off to the CPU too much since everything is basically hardware accelerated in some way (interface is already run on 3D hardware), whereas WMob ones prolly don't have a dedicated video chip so, by using software, they can support anything not too intensive.

As for the OS, its by far the smoothest and *cleanest* mobile OS I've ever used. Everything thats in there, even if it is missing certain 'standard' features, is polished to the brim, and the App Store is the easiest way to get apps for a mobile. Downloading java apps to your phone somewhere on your SD card then installing from inside a mediocre mobile file browser them is kinda crap...

The UI kicks the s*** out of Symbian OS thats for sure. Blackberry Bold OS looks pretty swish though, but thats not a 1-button multi-touchscreen media phone...

My last WM device was 2003 but I have used WM 6.1 on and off recently and found it to be clunky and slow, particularly Opera Mini or IE when it came to rendering any normal (non mobile) web site. Sync'ing to Exchange was a dream as you'd expect but beyond that it had limited support for the other protocols.

Whereas the iPhone has a very slick browsing experience with Safari and is virtually a full fledged browser on a mobile device. Sync'ing to IMAP, Exchange & Gmail works quite well and the snappiness of the UI is .. refreshing?

At the basic level you are comparing an Apple product to a Microsoft product. Both developed for different consumers and both excel in different areas. For me the iPhone is the one I want because it does all the things I need in a mobile device.

The missing features like MMS, 12512598712mp camera, bluetooth file transfer, etc have not impacted me at all. I got a camera to take good pics, email is usually cheaper than sending MMS and I haven't needed to BT any data around yet. Mind you I didn't use any of those features on all my previous phones either.

I just convert my videos using ipoddrop, which is a front end to ffmpeg, works out what is the best size to convert particular video to and away it goes.. i can do four tv shows at once on my quad core in about 5 minutes (i don't sit around and watch, but it is fast).

Windows Mobile was a lot of extra effort or inconvenience to get it to do what i wanted it to do.. the iphone just seems to work.

navigation/maps, the photo software, browsing, it's all so easy, and on top of that the phone and contacts function is flawless.

Having the clean pretty consistent interface is nice. Everything is obvious and easy to use. I miss not being able to copy/paste links to my qgl posts, but everything else just works so much nicer. I'm glad i made the move, just need more sites to have iphone specific versions.

Btw, what url is the iphone forum (or ausgamers or something) version?

I bought a 10 MP camera last week. When i want to take good photos i use it. When i want a happy snap and don't have my camera i use my iphone, it takes better pics than the camera on my HTC TyTn II did.

I agree here the TyTn II is f***ing s***ttee at photos, I dont agree with natslovrs other comment about vids, my phone will work with most codecs no re-encode required regardless of how long it takes... not to say I use it for that at all though

Btw, what url is the iphone forum (or ausgamers or something) version?

umm, it should load the iphone version by default but it's not very good :) I don't think we have a separate url for it.

You do realise Mail.app supports full Gmail sync...

Yeh, and I use it, but it doesn't support email search and I haven't got my contacts imported, so its sort of annoying.

Everything thats in there, even if it is missing certain 'standard' features, is polished to the brim, and the App Store is the easiest way to get apps for a mobile. Downloading java apps to your phone somewhere on your SD card then installing from inside a mediocre mobile file browser them is kinda crap...

Yeh the AppStore is cool, if you can forget the part about them getting to choose what you can and can't do with your device. I also like the way it tells you about updates, that's pretty neat.

I think AppStore could be improved hugely if they built in support for "demo" versions - I know they can release whole separate apps as demos but the demo/trial is such a key part of any software that I really think it would benefit.

My last WM device was 2003 but I have used WM 6.1 on and off recently and found it to be clunky and slow, particularly Opera Mini or IE when it came to rendering any normal (non mobile) web site. Sync'ing to Exchange was a dream as you'd expect but beyond that it had limited support for the other protocols.

Yeh I'm still using WM 2003 I think as well - its very basic but lightning fast. I've only played briefly w/ v6 devices and they do seem a bit chunkier.

Re: other protocols, my ipaq happily supports pop3 and imap - what other ones do you want?

I just convert my videos using ipoddrop, which is a front end to ffmpeg, works out what is the best size to convert particular video to and away it goes.. i can do four tv shows at once on my quad core in about 5 minutes (i don't sit around and watch, but it is fast).

Cool, I'll check it out - I'm using mediacoder which is OK but a bit too many clicks for conversion. What I really want is to point something at a folder and have it automatically just covert everything in that folder into ipod format.

Windows Mobile was a lot of extra effort or inconvenience to get it to do what i wanted it to do.. the iphone just seems to work.

Yeh, I know what you mean - but if there's something you want to do on WM, its almost certain that you CAN do it, it might just be a bit of messing around (even then, I find it's not very much - at most you have to download an app and ActiveSync install it, which s***s me - fortunately most apps I've gotten recently are just .cab files and can be downloaded/installed directly from the net.)

I am confident the iPhone will get heappsssssssss better once more applications come out - assuming Apple decide to publish them, of course, and that's the clincher for me really - I'd love an iPhone but I'd have to jailbreak it, and I don't want to HAVE to jailbreak it. I want Apple to give me a checkbox that says "allow running of unsigned code, NOTE THIS MAY DESTROY YOUR PHONE AND SET YOUR CAT ON FIRE", but obviously they don't want me to do that - so I'd rather wait for Android.

I still WANT an iPhone because I already have a touch and its neat and combining it with my phone would be great - if I could replace my ipaq with it for reading ebooks I probably would. I'm not looking forward to taking my phone AND my ipod AND my ipaq OS again in the next few days (+ all their chargers).

umm, it should load the iphone version by default but it's not very good :) I don't think we have a separate url for it.

I still get normal regular old QGL when browsing on my iPhone

Yeh, and I use it, but it doesn't support email search and I haven't got my contacts imported, so its sort of annoying.

Google have an app out called "Google Mobile App" which does searching contacts but not sure about emails. I'd try it out to see about searching emails but I don't use my gmail account.

Re: other protocols, my ipaq happily supports pop3 and imap - what other ones do you want?

I probably should have phrased it better.. the support for IMAP (POP3 is pretty basic) seems better on the iPhone. It supports the IMAP PUSH doobiewhackie and also lets you browse through all your folders and allows you to set what's your sent items & trash folder. Other clients on mobile devices usually don't sync past the Inbox and create their own sent items & trash folders. Say with Thunderbird it uses "Sent" but Windows Mail uses "Sent Items" and somewhere along the way another program uses "Sent Messages". I'm sure there's a way to configure what goes where on each of those clients but with the iPhone it was obvious and in your face.

The jailbreak thing is annoying from the point of view that there is no recognition from Apple so you have to be all sneaky about it. You're right that there should be a checkbox that lets you run what you want.

phone AND my ipod AND my ipaq OS again in the next few days (+ all their chargers).

Another great advantage. Now all I take is my laptop (always did though), iPhone and it's USB cable. I have all the functionality of a bunch of devices in one and don't need to mess around with extra convertors or power packs since it charges from the laptop.

I get normal qgl too... Argh!

I haven't tried dropping a folder on to ipoddrop but that may work too.

I only ever tried watching one thing on my an device, it just didn't seem right. I watch an episode a day on my iPhone. It feels more like it is meant to, rather than the clunky player I used on wm5

Will investigate iPod drop. There's a beta for VLC on iPhone but it's VERY beta. Might set up an rsync for it :)

Yeah safari just goes straight to the normal forum. Also,

I am confident the iPhone will get heappsssssssss better once more applications come out

It already is quite good, at least, I'm pretty happy with what I've got at the moment but it'll certainly get better once certain legal issues get sorted out with the likes of Turn-By-Turn navigation rights and whatnot. It'll only get better as developers become better at using the SDK and its features.

These are my three home screens btw. Locly is really cool; grabs ur GPS pos and pops up a text-based (i.e low bandwidth) list of different services, locations and websites around you. I used it in the CBD and it showed me links to various Wikipedia articles about locations around the CBD. Has petrol stations and everytrhing.
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/8616/img0001le1.png http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/4898/img0002kj4.png http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/377/img0003hu9.png

last edited by ³dee at 13:02:03 14/Aug/08

I see no Cydia or Installer .. what's going on?

Nah, mine's legit... lol. I wanna keep mine legit. Besides, a few bucks here and there on apps is nothing to my wallét.

a few bucks here and there on apps is nothing to my wallét.

you're the man now dog

I still get normal regular old QGL when browsing on my iPhone

try now, should now load the half-assed iphone mode

cool; I guess this is the data-lite version for portables?

Can I get old-school still? FK where I modify user-agent on the iphone..!

you sure do have alot of s*** installed on your phone ³dee

http://boba.nowuckingforries.com/iphone/IMG_0003.PNGhttp://boba.nowuckingforries.com/iphone/IMG_0004.PNG

last edited by boba at 14:30:18 14/Aug/08

Can I get old-school still? FK where I modify user-agent on the iphone..!

Yeh if you go ?pdaMode=0 on the end it should turn it off I think? Let me know if it doesn't and I'll have a play, shouldn't be too hard to make it selectable.

How half-assed are we talking, coz it looks a hellavalot like the PC version...

I'm pretty sure its not working...

Whats that LucasArts app you seem to have boba? Also, what did you use to jailbreak? ZiPhone or WinPwn?

last edited by ³dee at 17:29:45 14/Aug/08

lucas arts symbol is for scummvm and I used winpwn

As long as MobileMe Push still works and all my existing paid apps go on, I'm thinking of WinPwning mine simply to make the homescreen a little less f***ing boring. As cool as it is, the home screen gets majorly boring after seeing all the themes and stuff you can do.

It works with 3G 2.0.1 ones right?

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/7721/img0001ip3.pnghttp://img115.imageshack.us/img115/8554/img0002dl5.png
Running winterboard with a modified stargate theme, ps f*** yeah quake

so what is the benifit of jailbreaking the phone? Im pretty happy with mine atm but if there is more that can be done... :P

jailbreaking let's you be a dirty appstore pirate, and use apps apple refuse to publish like that video streaming one that came out today.. Qif or something

My current WinPwn attempt seems to be going fine. The main reason I want to jailbreak mine is to customise the home screen and maybe get a few 'Apple-don't-like' apps. But other than that I'm happy with the thing anyway

Well, it all worked perfectly. Now I'm just restoring my backup, so hopefully everything will be as it was before jailbreak.

Also, is Winterboard better than Summerboard? I remember Summerboard making things a little stuttery and laggy in 1.1.4 on my touch.

Get the "Surprise" theme for winterboard, just to see a flashy showoff of the possibilities and smooth effects of winterboard.

can you get a windows remote desktop client for the iphone?

awwww, they removed it

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2008/08/iphone-i-am-ric.html

Yes it's called winAdmin.

It didn't work against my win2k8 box and i haven't had time to investigate why.

I Am Rich isn't the first software that has been removed from Apple's store. Box Office, a movie showtime resource, and NetShare, which let users connect a computer to the Internet using the iPhone's 3G wireless data service, disappeared without a trace. Apple did not respond to phone calls for comment.

This is the s*** that makes me hate Apple and feel so negatively about their products. If I ever want to buy into this kind of s*** I'll go give all my money to Scientology for an E-meter.

Here it is, QIK you can now stream video FROM your iphone to the internet. Must be jailbroken to use.

How half-assed are we talking, coz it looks a hellavalot like the PC version...

I'm pretty sure its not working...

It's supposed to - try it on the PC (edit: just add ?pdaMode=1 to the end of the URL) to notice the differences. Basically it's just a slightly more lightweight page (in terms of data) and should be a teeny bit easier to read. Note it's not a REAL mobile page so it's nowhere near as good as it should be.

last edited by trog at 11:22:46 15/Aug/08

Haha yeah thats what I saw. It doesnt rly make any difference except hiding the new post column (which I use) lol.

Either way Im now having fun with Winterboard. I grabbed a set of leopard icons and made up this theme for it.

The only non-Apple apps i made were MobileChat.app, Winterboard and Cydia

http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/7049/img0001yb3.png


Btw, I didn't have a phone icon handy in the pack so i used the fax phone haha


last edited by ³dee at 12:18:33 15/Aug/08

can we please get the page numbers made bigger or even just a big next button on page bottom and more distance between backtoforum link and the footer... I keep reading the privacy policy

I think I prefer to read the normal forums on the iphone but can't get to it by putting ?pdaMode=0

What about something simple like this?

EDIT*** between the posts and links seems to have fugged itself in the post...



Try this instead.

last edited by ³dee at 15:07:44 15/Aug/08

what's that mchat program called?

where can i find winterboard?

iTunes streaming to your iPhone:
read this: http://www.iphonehacks.com/2008/08/simplify-media.html#more
get the app. it's free to the first 100,00 downloads.
http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=284941327&mt=8

the chat app I have is a legit app I got b4 jailbreaking. But an older version might still be on installer. It's called MobileChat by twenty08. Also Winterboard is in Cydia installer.

that streaming program works well and you can share your iTunes library with 30 of your close friends on the Internet. Add me: natslovR

Does backing up your iPhones take ~20minutes, and does transfering apps to/from iTunes take forever as well (compared to jailbreak which I remmeber being fkn quick)??

Yeah it still takes a while (at least for big changes), small changes to your phone dont take long to backup.

I got my iPhone on Wednesday; I hadn't read much about it and really only got it because my old phone (WM5, iMate k-jam) is pretty clunky and wasnt 3G.

+1 to the previous commentters about the OS and the UI just being excellent. The whole thing just feels like its been designed to be as good as they could possibly make it, instead of just whatever was easiest for the people making it or what they had time to do.

It certainly depends what you want out of a phone. I use linux on my desktop and would never be able to work on OSX, the "experience" for lack of a better description is just not right for me; but for a phone the iPhone experience is exactly what I want.

What I would say is what the iPhone does do, it does really really well.

Winterboard rocks! I've been fooling around with it while reading some threads. You can use CSS code to apply styles to certain UI elements. This is what I've come up with so far. Only thing I'm trying to find now is how to make the Status Bar a little longer so that the 5px shadow under it will show like Leopard's. I saw someone with a Leopard (and shadow) status bar on their iPhone.

EDIT** I just made a shadow on the wallpaper.

If anyone wants the theme I can email it to you. Unfortunately the dock reflections are faked in PS so you have to make the dock reflections into Dock.png everytime you change it but I doubt I'll need to. However theirs rumours Winterboard will overcome this.

http://idisk.mac.com/nick.bedford-Public/IMG_0003.jpg

last edited by 3dee at 13:01:44 16/Aug/08

something funky happens when posting for my iPhone. The screen jumps all over the page

Yeah I've had that too. When you're typing on some websites, as you type letters the view jumps around :

Interesting. I've never had that problem before.

omg u guys jinxed me - just starting to get that problem now.

I also just realised that you can save images from websites to the iPod/iPhone. Neat.