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Topic: NFSU
shrapse
Posts: 2650
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Come play some. I'm in Unranked Game --> Drift --> Australia

Oh btw, EA doesn't have a CD key validation anymore, so if you've 'lost' your cdkey, don't worry!
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nF
Posts: 6951
Location: Other International
They never did.
shrapse
Posts: 2651
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
My bad, come and play ineffable.
SquarkyD
Posts: 4904
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
i did but no one was there
shrapse
Posts: 2652
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
we were probably playing, i'm back in Unranked Game --> Drift --> Australia
boXa
Posts: 78
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
can anybody please help me get the files i need to play this online?
shrapse
Posts: 2653
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Anthony, I mean boXa, you don't really need anything extra, just make sure you're running version 1.4.
Gavmo
Posts: 4369
Location: Sydney, New South Wales
Gotta get a computer with windows :(
eK
Posts: 7543
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
you borked the qgl forums
shad
Posts: 519
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
http://shadow.qgl.org/nfsudrift.jpg
Booyah
Posts: 716
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Doing australia proud.
Eye
Posts: 694
Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Im waitin!
shrapse
Posts: 2654
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
That's clearly a differnet font shad :p
boXa
Posts: 80
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
thanks shrapse, howcome u called me anthony. anyways how do i know which version i am running
Eye
Posts: 695
Location: Adelaide, South Australia
I'm guessing Anthony Mundene? boxa being what he wears from memory.
boXa
Posts: 81
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
haha yeah
shrapse
Posts: 2655
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
It tells you what version you're running at one of the first loading screens. I think. :>
sikgem
Posts: 241
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
NFSU is incredibly s***. The soundtrack alone invokes feeling of intense rage. f***ing ricers.
nF
Posts: 6952
Location: Other International
Dude, everything makes you rage.
sikgem
Posts: 242
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Well, come on, you can hit walls at 200+ km/h in that game, bounce off and keep playing... I'm all for fun gaming but jesus there's a limit and when it passes that limit into complete and utter stupidity, then that's where the line is drawn...

Oh yeah and the AI is cheaty. Like Mario Kart AI.

last edited by sikgem at 20:51:28 25/Jun/04
shrapse
Posts: 2656
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
hunters too slow for fast paced games.

last edited by shrapse at 20:59:42 25/Jun/04

last edited by shrapse at 21:00:14 25/Jun/04
sikgem
Posts: 244
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Uh no... I played that game and found it incredibly easy/lame. The AI was still dodgy too.

Don't want to toot my own horn but I can assure you I could most easily outdrive a lot of you on a track, excluding those who race as a hobby, that would be a challenge ;).
boXa
Posts: 82
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
sikgem u really suck balls dont you, i could whoop ur ass in any type of driving. name a place to race and im there
sikgem
Posts: 245
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
When my car is on the road again, sure thing buddy, prepare to lose.
dais
Posts: 6859
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Dude you may as well just change your name back to Hunter now with posts like that under your belt.
sikgem
Posts: 246
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I think its still banned. *shrug* No point really, what's in a name anyway?
Insolence
Posts: 2038
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Don't want to toot my own horn but I can assure you I could most easily outdrive a lot of you on a track, excluding those who race as a hobby, that would be a challenge ;).


Don't want to toot your own horn, but you will anyway?
I'm sure your clapped out 'sick gem' and massive amounts of driving experience (18 months or so isn't it? and yes i know you've drive a lot of kms in that time, but its still a very short period) would outdrive us all on the track.

Most people have an overestimated idea of their driving ability but have you ever actually put it to the test on the track? I like to think im a decent driver but ive only recently started driving a relatively fast car and have only been out to the track once, hence wouldnt want to go making outlandish claims.
sikgem
Posts: 247
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I am more than willing to put my money where my mouth is dude... I drive hundreds and hundreds of k's a week for my job in all sorts of conditions as well as recreational driving...
nF
Posts: 6953
Location: Other International
The Skyline would win.
Loki
Posts: 4554
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I am more than willing to put my money where my mouth is dude... I drive hundreds and hundreds of k's a week for my job in all sorts of conditions as well as recreational driving...
You're on hunter..
Torana vs. Gemini.

Make it more interesting, I'll even race you at the track for a wager.

last edited by Loki at 22:23:54 25/Jun/04
sikgem
Posts: 249
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Haha torana... jesus talk about unfair man :). You've got twice the cylinders I have first off. Gimme a chance to get the supercharger in first :).

EDIT: And yes, I can/do. Not that I do such things on public roads ;).

last edited by sikgem at 22:05:47 25/Jun/04
Loki
Posts: 4555
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Why can't you do it on public roads? Nothing stopping you.
I get the feeling you dont really understand the point of heel-toeing [| declutching] on a downshift...
I spose you think you should declutch up gears? :)
nF
Posts: 6955
Location: Other International
Compression lockups.
sikgem
Posts: 250
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
You can get all the feelings you want, doesn't mean anything... when I say "I don't do such things on public roads", the ;) should tell you something ;).

If I had a digital video camera I'd stick it to my dash and take it for a run around some of the places I go driving. Mmmmm corners...
Loki
Posts: 4556
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
The point is to avoid lockups if that's what you mean, rev match the fly to the drive wheels so the brakes are doing the work (i.e. more control over the braking and smoother) rather than the engine retarding your speed..

Last thing you want is braking hard/downshifting for the power-out and locking the rears up.

last edited by Loki at 22:29:22 25/Jun/04
shad
Posts: 520
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Driving a lot doesnt give you racing experience. I drive 80km a day but driving in a mostly straight line at well within the limits of the car doesnt count for much.
sikgem
Posts: 251
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I don't go to industrial areas... cops hang around those :). I prefer rural areas, which for me isn't far from my house. Nice quiet rural roads, nobody around, nobody to care except me with the windows down and the engine revving to redline in each gear. Got 2 new sets of burnout tyres the other day ;).

Shad, it doesn't, no, because racing is a different thing. I drive ~32 km each way to and from work, then I drive a couple hundred each day for work (going to various sites etc). A lot of the driving I do is in mild to heavy traffic with some highway driving thrown in. Although a fair bit of that is done in s***ty automatic company cars.

After work is a different matter. On the way home I usually take the 'scenic route, give my car a bit of stick and have some fun to unwind.

last edited by sikgem at 22:17:41 25/Jun/04

last edited by sikgem at 22:18:28 25/Jun/04
Loki
Posts: 4557
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Doing burnouts and tearing it up in a straight line doesn't mean anything, I could teach a monkey to do that.
sikgem
Posts: 252
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
WTF does that have anything to do with mate? Yes, I have tyres which on occasion I like to destroy but otherwise its all corners. My car doesn't have the balls to compete on straights, corners are where it excels...
Booyah
Posts: 719
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Ques the "my epenis is bigger than yours" pic.
Bah
Posts: 826
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
He's right driving lots makes you a really good driver, just look at all the taxi and bus drivers.
sikgem
Posts: 253
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Actually some of them are better drivers than you or I will ever be... but some develop very bad habits too...
riot'us
Posts: 2316
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
This thread is the gayest thing I've ever seen, and I've been to mardi-gras.
shrapse
Posts: 2658
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Well it was supposed to be about a game. You know, being a gaming forum and all..
riot'us
Posts: 2318
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Yeah i know, i just mean how it ended up.
Gregory
Posts: 1562
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
doesn't have the balls to compete on straights, corners are where it excels...


dude its a f***in gemini. they handle lke s*** ok s*** suspension s*** brakes s*** steering
nF
Posts: 6956
Location: Other International
Geminis aren't the best handling cars ever, but theres certainly a lot worse. For an early 80s car they aren't too bad. The problem is that 80% of them have had the springs chopped, which throws out the entire back end unless its been modified as well. Stock they probably compare pretty well with the Dattos and probably dominate the Hondas of the time.
Obes
Posts: 1388
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
f***ing morons .. don't race on public roads
nF
Posts: 6957
Location: Other International
I only do burnouts on Obes front lawn.
Obes
Posts: 1389
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
nF, thats cool. Its not a public road.
shad
Posts: 521
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I do burnouts in obes parking space then leave my car there so he has to walk for ages to find another spot.
Ditch
Posts: 2808
Location: Hobart, Tasmania
i wish i was 80GUN like u cool guys
Loki
Posts: 4559
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
f***ing morons .. don't race on public roads


Make it more interesting, I'll even race you at the track for a wager.
Though i'm uncertain where you could do this, I wouldn't do it on a public road, I've wanted to go hit the track for awhile so *shrugs*...

Read, Comprehend, Post...
sikgem
Posts: 258
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Gregory, obviously you've only ever driven older ones not fitted with RTS and run factory shocks with poor quality tyres???

An RTS fitted Gemini in good condition with the correct shocks and good tyres fitted will outhandle most road going cars. If you don't believe this then I'm willing to prove this someplace.

nf, Actually, they're one of the better handling cars around, particularly given the age of RTS equipped Geminis. Geminis only came with RTS after about 1979.
Obes
Posts: 1390
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Loki .. read hunters posts carefully you skidmark on society before acusing me of not comprehending what he is saying.
AvengeR
Posts: 205
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Ques the "my epenis is bigger than yours" pic.


http://homepage.powerup.com.au/~arrows28/e-penis_small.jpeg


nF
Posts: 6960
Location: Other International
The only real difference with the >1979 geminis are the rear sway bars.
Loki
Posts: 4560
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Loki .. read hunters posts carefully you skidmark on society before acusing me of not comprehending what he is saying.
Trollin trollin trolling...
You've along way to go young grasshopper. Thou hasn't learned much.
Obes
Posts: 1391
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
haha loki ... you know you're wrong and then think its you trolling me ...

And you think you are a master of trolling. Even if you were, I wouldn't be your student, hell hunter and kat troll better then you and they aren't even trying most of the time.

You're either pathetic or arogant, not sure which ?
DigitaL
Posts: 1464
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
An RTS fitted Gemini in good condition with the correct shocks and good tyres fitted will outhandle most road going cars. If you don't believe this then I'm willing to prove this someplace.


This is one of the funniest things ive ever read on the internet. Firstly by "out-handle most cars" what excatly do you mean? Seeing as most road going cars are post VS Holdens or post EL Falcons I really doubt a gemini could really outhandle them. Unless of course you are stupid and spend $4000+ on a good suspension setup for a gemini.
Gregory
Posts: 1564
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
An RTS fitted Gemini in good condition with the correct shocks and good tyres fitted will outhandle most road going cars. If you don't believe this then I'm willing to prove this someplace


ahaha i love comin home from work to a good laugh. I know my car will out handle ur car. and mine is nothing special. Vs Commodore 17's with 235's IRs suspension Abs Brakes and new suspension. But i dont race on public roads like u fully sick gemini drivers. Wanker
Loki
Posts: 4561
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
haha loki ... you know you're wrong and then think its you trolling me ...

And you think you are a master of trolling. Even if you were, I wouldn't be your student, hell hunter and kat troll better then you and they aren't even trying most of the time.

You're either pathetic or arogant, not sure which ?
Read...Comprehend...Post.

I was saying you were trolling me *rolleyes*.

Also I wasn't wrong, no mention was made of racing on public roads, but at the track.

Carry on, keep trolling.
Loki
Posts: 4562
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
To quote hunter
but I can assure you I could most easily outdrive a lot of you on a track,

To Quote myself
Make it more interesting, I'll even race you at the track for a wager.

Better luck next year Obes.

If I was losing I wouldn't be resorting to insults like yourself.

last edited by Loki at 01:38:31 27/Jun/04
Obes
Posts: 1393
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Loki go read all of hunters posts. He says in more then one place he does very high speed on public roads. Keep an eye out for his winking smilies.

Or just the the straight I go speed in the country and rural areas.
Obes
Posts: 1394
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
And no s*** you were calling me a troll. Dude it is you with the comprehension problem not me.
You've along way to go young grasshopper. Thou hasn't learned much.

ie. Kung Fu (with David Carradine) his Master used to call him young grasshopper. Thats where it comes from. That suggests to things. 1 you are a troll, and 2 you are a master at it (my master actually).

Seriously go accuse some kindy kids of not being able to comprhend. They are about your weight division.
existence`
Posts: 4124
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
haha sikgem for the lose

Deadly-Fly
Posts: 2068
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I live my life a quarter mile at a time.


Then I have to get out and push :(
Loki
Posts: 4564
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
He says in more then one place he does very high speed on public roads.
It's a Gemini, redline through every gear and he'll just be cracking 100kph =)
nF
Posts: 6965
Location: Other International
http://members.iinet.net.au/~ineffable/thefastandtheforums.png
fpot
Posts: 9326
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland
haha 'I drive to work everyday so I am Michael Schumacher'.

Man, that's classic.
maxe
Posts: 8284
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
hunter dosnt follow the speedlimit, its designed for loser who cant handle going over 60
d[o_0]b
Posts: 63
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
rofl at this thread
WhoopAss
Posts: 6056
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
bulls***, gemini's handle nicely. I've gone at speeds high enough to get at least 1 wheel off the ground and one more about to leave the road without the car even wanting to start to slide. They may not handle as well as a japanese sports car or a v8 super car, but they handle f***ing well.

dude its a f***in gemini. they handle lke s*** ok s*** suspension s*** brakes s*** steering


I'll take you for a ride in mine. The brakes are FAR from s***, it goes 100 - stopped in a matter of metres (without hitting a pole)

you guys who dunno s*** and don't own a gemini STFU. If you have owned one and it was s*** then it must just have been yours because mine is almost stock and it only just gets left behind by a VR commodore of my friend's. It corners way faster and sharper, and brakes faster than my own commodore.

f***ing newbs

edit: I fail quoting 101

last edited by WhoopAss at 19:58:26 28/Jun/04
sikgem
Posts: 259
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I follow the speed limit 90% of the time as I need my license for my job. No license = no job. No job = no money. Simple really. I have no problem with going out to some isolated area where nobody lives and rarely anyone drives and doing a safe speed. But hey if I f*** up and crash, that's my fault, not yours. You're not in the car, you're not even near it, you're not going to be affected by it, nobody else will be really affected by it, so why do you care?

"This is one of the funniest things ive ever read on the internet. Firstly by "out-handle most cars" what excatly do you mean? Seeing as most road going cars are post VS Holdens or post EL Falcons I really doubt a gemini could really outhandle them. Unless of course you are stupid and spend $4000+ on a good suspension setup for a gemini."

You ever driven one? And again, not something with clapped out suspension! Factory shocks do not last anywhere near 20+ years, more so if the car has been driven even slightly. When I removed the factory shocks from my car a while ago they were well and truly screwed - so much so you could compress it and it would just stay compressed. Definately not what a shock is designed to do and would severely impact on handling.

You only need to spend about 600 to beef the steering and suspension up even more than it already is. I find it difficult to believe you think a vehicle like a later model commo or falcon with about 500-600 more kilos of weight and much longer wheelbase would handle better than a ~900 odd kg Gemini with a relatively short wheel base...

last edited by sikgem at 20:02:09 28/Jun/04
nF
Posts: 6972
Location: Other International
Gemini brakes are not good. You're smoking crack.
dimo
Posts: 158
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

http://www.bloomcounty.org/~megan/misc/pancake_bunny.jpg
WhoopAss
Posts: 6057
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Gemini brakes are not good. You're smoking crack.


well mine must be non standard brakes then because they outperform the brakes on my commodore.
dimo
Posts: 159
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
well mine must be non standard brakes then because they outperform the brakes on my commodore


WOOOOW....
a gemini brakes better then sothing that is 3 times its weight.

UNPOSSIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!11
Booyah
Posts: 756
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Well it turns out this bulls*** argument proves sikgem's point after all; NFSU is far from reality.

Reaslism minus minus.
Suhaib
Posts: 2028
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
there is no spoon!
sikgem
Posts: 260
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Dimo, nice way to demonstrate your ignorance on all fronts.

1) Commodores aren't "3 times" the weight of Geminis.

2) Virtually all commodores made in the past 15 years have had disc brakes all round. Geminis have front discs, rear drums, mostly because their weight bias is more to the front than the rear(can't recall the exact weight bias ratios).

3) Later model commodores have ABS and other options as standard...

last edited by sikgem at 20:54:34 28/Jun/04
cycosis
Posts: 759
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
you fags would have reel skellz if yuo played mario kart dd!@#
nF
Posts: 6973
Location: Other International
1) Commodores aren't "3 times" the weight of Geminis.

2) Virtually all commodores made in the past 15 years have had disc brakes all round. Geminis have front discs, rear drums, mostly because their weight bias is more to the front than the rear(can't recall the exact weight bias ratios).

3) Later model commodores have ABS and other options as standard...


So what you're saying is, commodores handle better than a gemini.
Ditch
Posts: 2814
Location: Hobart, Tasmania
yes thats wat hes saying, so lets WRAP IT UP GENTLEMEN!!!

btw. mario kart pwns ;)
Coochie
Posts: 219
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I just find this funny cause Gemini's are like the cliche crap car. Not that my car's 'fully sicker' or anything, I just haven't ever met anybody who respected Gemini's.

will outhandle most road going cars
maybe it will outhandle Commodores and Excels but 'most' road going cars implies that it is one of the better handling cars on the road....which it simply is not.

You do realise that when you drive around in your hotted up gemini with the stereo turned up, 90% of the population laugh at you, and the other 10% get pissed off because they know their taxes pay your doll cheque?

Don't get me wrong, a well modified gemini may go alright on a race track, but they just have a terribly poor image.
AvengeR
Posts: 215
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Geminwhy
sikgem
Posts: 261
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
doll cheque? Is this some sorta thing you get from sex shops??? I have a job and pay for everything I do, unlike certain ricers who get mumsy and dadsy to pay for their latest cessna tail plane/spoiler.

"maybe it will outhandle Commodores and Excels but 'most' road going cars implies that it is one of the better handling cars on the road....which it simply is not. "

Driven one?? When I say "most" roadgoing cars I am referring to unmodified stock standard cars you buy off the floor. There are sports cars which have been DESIGNED to handle well and other cars that have been modified to handle well. I am not comparing them because that is patently stupid.

"So what you're saying is, commodores handle better than a gemini."

No, what I was saying is that a Commodore with all of those advantages, still handles a bit worse than an old Gemini. Without paying a metric assload, you still have fundamental physics to contend with... its pretty obvious a Gemini is a much smaller and lighter vehicle compared to some big arse family sedan or wagon.

last edited by sikgem at 22:06:57 28/Jun/04
nF
Posts: 6979
Location: Other International
So you are comparing geminis to cars that aren't designed to handle well at all, or cars that go for ride over performance? Like say limo? I know its tradition for you to back down and all, but you can't go around qualifying something you say 2 pages after you've said it. If "most" road going cars excludes any car where the manufacturers have thrown in stiffer shocks and a tougher chassis, or say low profile alloys, in an age where performance is expected in almost any type of car, then thats not most.
maxe
Posts: 8298
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
my god you're an arrogant f***
Coochie
Posts: 223
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
ok I will accept that a modified Gemini may outhandle many unmodified cars. But that isn't really anything to be too proud of.

My point is that they have such a crap reputation. It is like the poor mans version of a hotted up Excel.

Am I the only person who see's people in spruced up geminis and laughs...thinking what a f***ing low breed?

nF
Posts: 6980
Location: Other International
Step off maxe.
rolo_tomasi
Posts: 116
Location: Sydney, New South Wales
My TF rocked......
back in 94-95.
GO THE MONZA RED
funky
Posts: 367
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
you would of course know that it handles better than most road going cars, because a driver of your standard has driven most road going cars ..........
fpot
Posts: 9338
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland
Hunter you do realise you hold the exact model attitude as the 'xxxx' amount of young cocky drivers that die every year, right?
reload!
Posts: 780
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
other cars that have been modified to handle well. I am not comparing them because that is patently stupid.


Havn't you modified your car to handle well?
nF
Posts: 6983
Location: Other International
This is the same hunter that said he'd beat anyone up cause he thought about fighting a lot.
Loki
Posts: 4573
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Comparing modified cars against completely stock factory ones is retarded.

I can throw enough money at a common housebrick and make it outperform and outhandle as well as any sports-car.
There is no point to what you're saying hunter.
Spook
Posts: 8345
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
heh, this is the funniest thread evar

first of all, dont ever bag mario karts as its king (even with sus ai, not that i get beaten by the computer anyway, asif u would)

and of course if makes perfect sense that a s***box made 30 years ago would out handle cars made in the last 10 years

suspension technology has been travelling backwards and cars are getting progressive worse in handling stakes

id bet the house that my old mirage (decimates car now) would handle a dream (king springs, lowered, the mirages handle pretty good already, if it had sway bars, this thing would be glued to the road)

id like to play nfsu
i liked it
high speed felt like high speed and drifting was kewl fun x 10
maxe
Posts: 8303
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
first of all, dont ever bag mario karts as its king (even with sus ai, not that i get beaten by the computer anyway, asif u would)


tesitfy. Fear my spot-on accurate koopa drift technique...
Spook
Posts: 8349
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
peach > koopa
maxe
Posts: 8304
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
You skirt. You even drive womens cars in video games...

Donkey Kong for time trials, Koopa for championship.
lmnt
Posts: 1169
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
i vote hunter for coolest guy for the year, oh wait that would clash with his fag of the month award wouldnt it?
Spook
Posts: 8351
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
my peach would poop on donkey kong in time trials

ive got mario kart 64 on my n64 emulater and still play it today on xbox/pc

Ditch
Posts: 2817
Location: Hobart, Tasmania
ha u boners, bowser wins all. owned every single time trial in the game. bring it
Spook
Posts: 8352
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
still got the game ladies?
ill go set some times and post em
maxe
Posts: 8305
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
ive got mario kart 64 on my n64 emulater and still play it today on xbox/pc


AAAAAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

mariokart64 is gay. Like, liberacè gay. No sequel has ever equalled what it was on the SNES, and thats all Ill ever play.

Because I'm an elitist a******.
Spook
Posts: 8353
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
yar, i loved it on the snes
it just doesnt emulate as well as the n64 version
fpot
Posts: 9346
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland
it just doesnt emulate as well as the n64 version
I have it emulated perfectly on my xbox.
sikgem
Posts: 264
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
First off, the suspension in my vehicle is not modifed in any way. The only things I've done have put slightly wider rubber on the standard steel rims and new shocks. Beyond that it still has factory springs, factory swaybars and factory panhard rod. The caster, camber and toe are all as they should be for a standard Gemini.

Secondly, this is not a case of anyone suggesting technology going backwards, what is being suggested is that cars are becoming heavier, and as you increase weight, handling slowly goes out the door. My car has f*** all in the way of options, it didn't even come with a tacho or a left side mirror.

Add electric mirrors, there is a few kgs, throw in electric windows, few more kgs for the electric winding mechanism and electronics. Hmm add airbags, there's some more weight and indeed a lot of cost. Include body sound deadening, 50+ extra kgs (it is rather weighty stuff). Then add in air conditioning, decent stereo (not the AM one speaker s*** thing that came std in my car) and you're already starting to add a bit of weight to the car. See my point?

"because a driver of your standard has driven most road going cars .........." As fpot seemingly does not know, I drive a lot FOR work, not just to and from work. I clock up thousands of k's a week and drive whatever car is available in the company motor pool. Usually FWD shopping trolleys.
nF
Posts: 6985
Location: Other International
But yet you still only have 18 months of driving experience. You'll find the best drivers have done something stupid pushed their car beyonds its limits and have taken themselves down a notch or two. Over-confidence is the single biggest cause of accidents.

"Yeah, i've only had 10 beers i can drive."
"I've only had 2 hours sleep, but nah she'll be right its only 20 minutes up the road."
"90degree corner, nah this sikgemini can take it at 70km/h cause its the best car ever."

^ every one of those will result in the asshat driving and probably some other unlucky soul getting f***ed over.

You take a driver whos spun a car in the wet or done a real dangerous overtake and gotten pretty shaken up over it will be a far safer driver than someone who hasn't irrelevant of skills. Thinking yourself infallable means you are clearly not considering hazards, or giving yourself any buffer. You'll probably change your tune in 6 months when you writeoff your gemini doing something stupid, and take the exact opposite tone to what you are now. Either that or you'll die.
d[o_0]b
Posts: 82
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
pics or lying hunter
sikgem
Posts: 265
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
nF, I've had the obligatory close shave before, in the wet and I've got an even healthier respect for the road in those sorts of conditions. In fact I hate driving at night because of the d******* pedestrians who feel its their god given right to run out blindly across roads without thinking. I also hate driving in the rain as the dynamics of the road change dramatically when you introduce a form of lubricant to its surface...

For the record it involved hitting oil whilst travelling at relatively low speed around a sharp bend... I used my skill to recover from the loss of traction and continue driving without incident. A lot of people would have stepped on the gas and attempted to power out of the slide with the wheel turned full lock the other way... bad idea.

last edited by sikgem at 19:23:54 29/Jun/04
fpot
Posts: 9356
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland
"because a driver of your standard has driven most road going cars .........." As fpot seemingly does not know, I drive a lot FOR work, not just to and from work. I clock up thousands of k's a week and drive whatever car is available in the company motor pool. Usually FWD shopping trolleys.
Well, no I didn't say what you quoted, and I don't care about what you just said.

You're just another statistic waiting to happen, and I know you are prone to talking yourself up. Remember that time (this is a long time ago) when you claimed you could come to QGL and beat the top CS clan at the time, and you were going to arrive to QGL with all your mates in suits or something? Guess what, you never even came to a QGL, and you were a f***ing uncoordinated s***kunt at CS and every other game I ever watched you play. So what's changed now? You're still full of f***ing s***. Wake up to yourself.
fpot
Posts: 9357
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland
Oh, and to further illustrate how gay you are, you are talking yourself up as a leet c*** driver in a Need for Speed: Underground thread. That's like someone talking themselves up as a special forces operative in a Counter-Strike thread.
d[o_0]b
Posts: 84
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
^^^ HAHAHA
*holds a poster saying "i want to bare your children f***pot"*


and also

I used my skill to recover from the loss of traction and continue driving without incident


made me larf
Gregory
Posts: 1573
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
For the record it involved hitting oil whilst travelling at relatively low speed around a sharp bend... I used my skill to recover from the loss of traction and continue driving without incident. A lot of people would have stepped on the gas and attempted to power out of the slide with the wheel turned full lock the other way... bad idea.


so what ur saying is ur awareness skills are low cause u didnt see the oil on road so ur s*** to start off and becuase u thought u where the only one who would think to slow down to gain traction. wow ur my imspiration can u teach me to drive with all ur skills
linkin
Posts: 3910
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
get cut greg get cut
shrapse
Posts: 2670
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Sooooooooooooooooooooo, anyone for some nfsu?
d[o_0]b
Posts: 85
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
pfft make your own thread sharpse =)
nF
Posts: 6987
Location: Other International
For the record it involved hitting oil whilst travelling at relatively low speed around a sharp bend... I used my skill to recover from the loss of traction and continue driving without incident. A lot of people would have stepped on the gas and attempted to power out of the slide with the wheel turned full lock the other way... bad idea.


So you understeered going around a corner? I'd question what you were attempting to do in order to get the car to do that. Sounds like you entered the corner before you had started braking, then noticing you had too much speed you hit the picks. Sif blame oil for being a spaz.

Anyway my point remains, you're still an asshat on the road clearly as you seek blame in everything but your own driving when something goes wrong. If you are driving through the valley or something on a friday/saturday night and are surprised to see someone set out in front of your car then thats clearly indicative of a lack of experience in driving in those conditions.
dimo
Posts: 163
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
http://www.yoxio.com/img/57338.jpg
DigitaL
Posts: 1475
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
haha i love this! THIS is what qgl is about

BRING ON TEH HUNTER ABUSE
fpot
Posts: 9360
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland
yeh, just waiting for his half arsed wannabe intellectual reply.
nF
Posts: 6988
Location: Other International
He is checking his thesaurus.
Fuknukle
Posts: 2336
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Geminis have front discs, rear drums, mostly because their weight bias is more to the front than the rear(can't recall the exact weight bias ratios).
omg.. the reason they dont have diskbrakes on the rear is simple. drums are CHEAPER.

also the f/r ratio for holdens is 70/30 as oppossed to most normal family cars such as toyotas which in most cases is 60/40.
their is no point to this thread.
except its fukin funny. which is a great point.. :)

also nfsu FREE with 2 pizzas pickup from pizzahut!!!!!!!!
finally im getting myself a copy :D

last edited by Fuknukle at 21:06:47 29/Jun/04
sikgem
Posts: 266
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
It was pissing down rain at the time and as you are aware, rain brings turns previously dry and caked oil into liquid... now in pissing down rain its difficult enough to see in front of you let alone see virtually invisible patches of oil. Entry speed into the turn was around 10 km/h as I had turned into a T-intersection...

Oh and by the way, I was actually outside up to my arms in grease finishing off the new (temporary) engine I put in on the weekend.

fuknukle, yes, they might be cheaper to implement and yes they still design cars with rear drums but the reason is that the front brakes are more than capable of absorbing most of the energy during braking. Besides, drums are still effective systems of braking, they're just more prone to fading than discs.

last edited by sikgem at 21:34:03 29/Jun/04
nF
Posts: 6990
Location: Other International
There is no way you'd lose control of a car at 10km/h because of a patch of oil.

Unless you are a spaz. Though how a patch of oil caused you to spaz out is beyond me.
Gregory
Posts: 1574
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
ah so ur gemin lost control at 10 k an hour wow handles so so so well dick wish i could race a car that could take corners so quick
sikgem
Posts: 269
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Ever heard of throttle control? I said ENTRY SPEED, that does not mean EXIT or TRAVEL SPEED. I increased throttle to continue moving and since its RWD, the rear end decided to turn into a sled.

Almost any non-traction control RWD vehicle will do this if there is a distinct lack of traction and even a little throttle. Wet, oily water combined with RWD car and acceleration is guaranteed to result in issues no matter what vehicle you drive. The difference is whether or not control is completely lost by the driver...
nF
Posts: 6991
Location: Other International
^ haha, hunter got owned
sikgem
Posts: 270
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Why, because I stated that the car lost it because there was a bit too much throttle to deal with SFA traction as a result of oily water on a 90 degree turn? Yeah, whatever... Do you have any idea how slippery an oily road is?
DigitaL
Posts: 1476
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Almost any non-traction control RWD vehicle will do this if there is a distinct lack of traction and even a little throttle. Wet, oily water combined with RWD car and acceleration is guaranteed to result in issues no matter what vehicle you drive. The difference is whether or not control is completely lost by the driver...


um no it wont unless you really give it some. you fuken n00b do a saftey driving course.
Crudler
Posts: 156
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
"Wet, oily water"

isn't all water wet?
fpot
Posts: 9367
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland
He needed another adjective in there to make his argument seem worthwhile.

Didn't work.
Fuknukle
Posts: 2338
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
the reason is that the front brakes are more than capable of absorbing most of the energy during braking.
well DUR, they have to be. how much friction is availible on the rears while travling forward?...

if disks and drums cost the same you'd deffinatly see disks everywhere.

while they are indeed adaqute for the rears sif they compare.

so you had enough skill to control a car going 10km/h
a man of lesser skill might have gotten out and walked beside the car pushing it back on the road as it fishtailed wildly on the footpath..
Gregory
Posts: 1575
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Hunter your speaking so much s*** i can catch it . admit ur car sucks and u suck at teling stories try and atleast think one about that aint full of flaws before u come and rant and rave dick chops
spidz
Posts: 5363
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
whats going on in this thread guys?
nF
Posts: 6993
Location: Other International
From an almost standing start the car loses control. Its evidence that you drive your car beyond its limits, and that you have no appreciation of the potential hazards that might be there. Hence you are overconfident and under-experienced. If this spot was half has hazardous as you make it out to be then there'd be 10 cars sitting on the side of the road there.

If you expect to be able to take a 90 degree corner at the limit in conditions like wet weather than you'll end up in tears. You can claim that the oil wasn't visible all you want, but the fact is it shouldn't have to be, if you were as experienced as you claim you'd have an appreciation that roads are very inconsistant in the wet, and you'd factor that in when you choose your speed going around such a corner.
sikgem
Posts: 271
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
fuknukle, it wasn't at 10 km/h when it began to slide... I'll reiterate for those of you with comprehension problems: entry speed was 10 km/h. I vaguely recall the speed being around 40 km/h when oil was struck (just after exiting the turn). This argument is becoming quite pointless. No matter what I say or do, you clowns will find some other bulls*** to come up with. So, tell me, how many of you actually have licenses and cars? And no I don't mean driving your mum's camry out of the driveway either.

If there's a problem with my driving then why have I never been involved in an accident (I've been driving for 6 years now, license for 2)??? Why have I not lost my license for speeding or dangerous driving when I only have 4 points?? If, as you say I am "such a s*** driver maens!@$#" then perhaps I'd be a) dead, b) in jail or c) walking.
Gregory
Posts: 1576
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
at 10 km/h when it began to slide... I'll reiterate for those of you with comprehension problems: entry speed was 10 km/h. I vaguely recall the speed being around 40 km/h when oil was struck (just after exiting the turn


So u said the conditions where so s***. but u still accelerated 30 km//h to 40 from 10 around a corner where u said conditions where s*** and u could not see. so really what ur saying is u f***ed up cause u cant judge corners and conditions . ahhhh i see
fpot
Posts: 9369
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland
This argument is becoming quite pointless. No matter what I say or do, you clowns will find some other bulls*** to come up with.
Hey, I think that's the definition of a flawed argument.
So, tell me, how many of you actually have licenses and cars?
I do...
Why have I not lost my license for speeding or dangerous driving when I only have 4 points??
Same reason I haven't. I haven't been caught yet.
If, as you say I am "such a s*** driver maens!@$#" then perhaps I'd be a) dead, b) in jail or c) walking.
Just wait a bit longer, I am hoping for option a).
spidz
Posts: 5365
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
d) lucky
sikgem
Posts: 272
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
fpot, may I suggest you get your end away? It may help relieve the pressure in your colon, which is more than likely caused by the pole lodged in it.
spidz
Posts: 5366
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

i'll pay that call
fpot
Posts: 9370
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland
yeh, lolz.
Crudler
Posts: 158
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
e) gay
nF
Posts: 6994
Location: Other International
So you're exit speed from a 90 degree corner with an entry speed of 10km/h, in the wet, was 40km/h. And you were surprised the car lost control?

Anyone else spot the problem there.
nF
Posts: 6995
Location: Other International
fpot, may I suggest you get your end away? It may help relieve the pressure in your colon, which is more than likely caused by the pole lodged in it.


f) ironic
sikgem
Posts: 273
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
nF, as I said, ordinarily it would have held in wet conditions but oil is a lubricant, and lubricate it does! For further information on lubrication, you may want to consult fpot, as he appears to be our resident expert.
Gregory
Posts: 1577
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
yeah cause water does not make the road slippery either does it hunter. ur a tool ok people correcting there f***ups does not make them a good driver not f***in up in first place makes u a good driver. sk
fpot
Posts: 9371
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland
Hunter, this would all be very amusing and witty if it wasn't the same lame rebuttul I have been hearing from you for years.
DigitaL
Posts: 1477
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
car: no sold it
Licence: no (lost it for 6 months)
been driving for 3 years.

So what you saying is that you entered the 90 DEGREE corner at 10km/h. Then you exited the corner at 40 IN THE WET OILY water.

(Even tho you said you could hardly see because of the rain so I fail to understand how you couldve possibly seen the oil on the road in the first place)

Result:

you spun out and shat yourself. You then say that Gemini's are awesome handling cars, and your a good driver because you drive 1000's of k's a week.

Without a doubt my old car (VT series 1 with mags and no other suspension work) could handle a 90 degree turn in the same manner as you drove you car around it without spinning out or even loosing traction. you know why? because its heavier IT HANDLES BETTER in most situations like that.

Just because a car is lighter dosent mean it handles better, it handles differently.
spidz
Posts: 5367
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
hunter is obviously a sex god !
d[o_0]b
Posts: 86
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
hey at least the spot lights off kat for a while =)
Eye
Posts: 701
Location: Adelaide, South Australia
Hehehe, I missed seeing Hunter 'debates'. Thanks guys :D
Duk
Posts: 146
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I man not know much about actual driving (traffic, track and stuff). Im 16 and just got learners. But I know that Gemini's are the BIGGEST PIECES OF s*** EVER. There is seriously no doubt about it dude. Oh and about that wet corner thing that just adds to the complete s***ness of gemini's. Man name the spot ill race you and eventhough i may not be Mark Skaife or Michael Schumacher, i know that if im driving a quality car such as dads A4 S Line, I will own you anyday of the week.
DigitaL
Posts: 1478
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
hahah funniest post eva
spidz
Posts: 5371
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

its unaustralian to knock a gemini.
Spook
Posts: 8364
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
no its not
Fik
Posts: 254
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
My mate had a fully sik gemini that we drove around in a paddock. Was a piece of s***. Your's deserves to be in a paddock too.
maxe
Posts: 8310
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
And since when is correcting oversteer a sign of Incredible Driving Skillz Maens1?!

My mum can correct oversteer ffs.

If you had any skill at all there would be no oversteer in the first place. Surely after all those year(s) of driving your incredible gemini youd know how much force the tyres could handle under any circumstances?
Fik
Posts: 257
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
On another note, how do you do really long drifts??

The maximum point I can get is about 35,000 and that's in the Miata.

That's with that traction setting off
maxe
Posts: 8312
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Get a DC2 and use the handbrake

In true american fashion, that works the best
orbitor
Posts: 5870
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
This one time down the coast, I overtook a brand new Porsche 911 Turbo. Therefore:

a) I'm a much better driver than whoever was in that Porsche, and

b) My car can easily outhandle that Porsche.
d[o_0]b
Posts: 90
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
This one time down the coast

ok for starters thats a lie because i say so

I overtook a brand new Porsche 911 Turbo.

im just showing you i know how to quote

a) I'm a much better driver than whoever was in that Porsche, and

maens you should meet him on the track for a real race and maybe a wager to omgrofl!

b) My car can easily outhandle that Porsche.


haha your argument is so f***ing flawed roflmaololbrbman!!1




=D hi orbs
shrapse
Posts: 2674
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
On another note, how do you do really long drifts??


skill :D
reload!
Posts: 783
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
If Gemini's are so leet, how come more people don't have them? I don't understand how driving lots for work makes you a good driver at high speed corners. WOWOW! YOU DRIVE THOUSANDS OF Ks PER WEEK FOR WORK!!! Unless you are a race driver I don't see how driving around in traffic makes you such a good driver. What do you do for work?
nF
Posts: 6996
Location: Other International
nF, as I said, ordinarily it would have held in wet conditions but oil is a lubricant, and lubricate it does! For further information on lubrication, you may want to consult fpot, as he appears to be our resident expert.


The fact of the matter is you have no idea if there was oil on the road and more than likely there wasn't. You're just claiming there was because you can't accept that you f***ed up. Did you get out of the car and look at the road? A top driver would have noticed that there was oil on the road from the steering feedback well before the rear wheels hit it.

Clearly you aren't, there wasn't any "oil" - you weren't driving sensibly - and clearly you're a cockwallet.
Booyah
Posts: 782
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
What's a cockwallet ? Some sort of gronk ?
shrapse
Posts: 2679
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Don't want to toot my own horn but I can assure you I could most easily outdrive a lot of you on a track, excluding those who race as a hobby, that would be a challenge ;).


Lest we forget.
nF
Posts: 6997
Location: Other International
^ Unless of course the track includes one of those nasty 90 degree turns. Whoopsy.
orbitor
Posts: 5873
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Gemini's do pretty well on the motorkhana's and rally tracks.

It's not because they are some amazing vehicle with incredible handling, though with some modification they can handle quite decently.

It's cause they're bloody cheap to buy, build, modify, and trash.
DigitaL
Posts: 1484
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
well i just found this video of a gemini that i took about 2 months ago!

im a html noob so i dont know how to make the link any smaller
2.45mb
http://members.optushome.com.au/j.neilson/cool%20gemini.wmv

deathman27
Posts: 81
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
im a html noob so i dont know how to make the link any smaller

hahah thats funny
DigitaL
Posts: 1485
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
wheres the funny?
reload!
Posts: 795
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
hahaha that car is SICK!
nF
Posts: 6999
Location: Other International
Go the TG.
SD Gundam
Posts: 2456
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
that's probably hunter's gemini
sikgem
Posts: 282
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
That's an RB Gemini you ignorant arseclowns. I own a TF... apart from the fact that its a completely different car and uses totally different drivetrain (FWD s***boxes).

Who the f*** would rice an RB, and more importantly WHY? No serious Gemini enthusiast takes the RB seriously, they are the black sheep. Look too much like Corollas of that era.

By the way orbitor, I doubt you've ever driven one, in fact I doubt any of you have apart from nF (who owned one) and whoopass who owns a TF. And the clown comparing a new A4 to a gemini - you're a dick mate, its your DADS CAR. What's yours? air car??

P.S. the guy doing voiceovers sounds like he should be on queer eye with his "omygods".
lmnt
Posts: 1171
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
it wasn't at 10 km/h when it began to slide... I'll reiterate for those of you with comprehension problems: entry speed was 10 km/h. turn).


you said the entry speed 10km/h, at a 90 degree turn, you usually dont speed up, no one has comprehension problems.

I vaguely recall the speed being around 40 km/h when oil was struck (just after exiting the turn).


"i Vaguely recall" ohhhh so now your trying to make it sound like you were going faster, and your way cool driving abilities couldnt handle the extreme speed of 40km/h. oh, i get it, it all makes sense now....

oh. and please dont phrases like "comprehension problem" the irony of it is just too much to bare
lmnt
Posts: 1172
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
That's an RB Gemini you ignorant arseclowns. I own a TF


why the goddamn, motherfricken, mustardcutting, f*****y hell would anyone know or give a flying, stinking, assf***ing s*** what kind of car you drive
WhoopAss
Posts: 6066
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
On another note, how do you do really long drifts??

I assume we're talking nfsu? I just use my RX7, or if we're talking granturismo only car I seem to be able to do long drifts in is (amazingly) the trueno sprinter heh. If we're talking real life, never tried, probably never will because I know I'll hit a pole, if I ever get off my ass and hire the skid pan up the road I'll have some fun then though.
nF
Posts: 7001
Location: Other International
By the way orbitor, I doubt you've ever driven one, in fact I doubt any of you have apart from nF (who owned one) and whoopass who owns a TF. And the clown comparing a new A4 to a gemini - you're a dick mate, its your DADS CAR. What's yours? air car??


Orb drove my car. It should be noted that he had no trouble with 90 degree corners also.
WhoopAss
Posts: 6067
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I just watched that video and all I can say is: call QUANTAS, I think someone has stolen one of their planes AHAHAHAH

what a s***box, I doubt it'd even get enough speed up to make use of that spoiler, his friend probably had a skyline and let the gemini owner drive it, drift it and smash it, only thing left was the spoler :D

seriously, RB gemini's give the RB letter combination a bad name (don't know what I'm talking about? too bad). Front wheel drive hunk of s*** gemini.

Someone sell me their torana, and a V8

edit: oh and digital, I wouldn't be calling his exhaust gay or bagging him out man, you drive a commodore with neons underneath it (or used to?) so man, you are up there near the top of the "gay" list.

last edited by WhoopAss at 19:09:11 01/Jul/04
Insolence
Posts: 2041
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
And the clown comparing a new A4 to a gemini - you're a dick


kind of like that clown who was comparing geminis to the majority of other cars on the road?
DigitaL
Posts: 1486
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
yer i used to...

*hangs head in shame*
d[o_0]b
Posts: 105
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Orb drove my car. It should be noted that he had no trouble with 90 degree corners also



f***ing hell dude....

you are on fire

game set match...nF

=D
orbitor
Posts: 5874
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Orb drove my car. It should be noted that he had no trouble with 90 degree corners also.


Yeah but there was no butter on the bend!
orbitor
Posts: 5875
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
By the way orbitor, I doubt you've ever driven one, in fact I doubt any of you have apart from nF


The thing about gemmis is they feel OMG s***-fast when you're doing speeds that would be plain sailing in my Silvia :)
existence`
Posts: 4143
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
thats coz ur just too cool orb

hunter

f***

off

and

die

and sniff some coke(que maxes fotoshawp)
orbitor
Posts: 5876
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
http://members.iinet.net.au/~m.holmes/FF_hunter.jpg
Suhaib
Posts: 2040
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
hahah, nice photoshop matt.
Loki
Posts: 4578
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Someone sell me their torana, and a V8
You want a Torry now eh Whoop? Best off putting a VN/VP EFI V8 in it than one of the old red motors if you go for it :)
Fuknukle
Posts: 2354
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
how many of you actually have licenses and cars?
well i have 3 cars and 2 motobikes, moto license and car license..

does that make me worthy to partake in this conversation?
been driving(leagaly) since i was 15(new zealand)
bikes and cars off road since i was under ten.
and rallying since i was 14

in those 5 leagal years ive had '1 come together'(my fault, wasnt watching) with no damage to the other car.


you simply cannot suggest your going to beat other ppl when you've never been on a race track, or done rallying or done 200km/h, or for that matter even know your opponent.

if you are proud of yourself for your display of 'coolness' and 'ajustment' of the wheel at 40km/h i have doubts as to your selfappointed 'skill' full stop


fact of the matter is its much easier to control a 'sub 50km/h' slide in the wet...

tho i will admit most of the experiance ive had on a tar race track is bucket racing if anyone knows what that is.

last edited by Fuknukle at 21:58:44 02/Jul/04
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