yeah i got no beef with non-traffic cops, except when they're corrupt
met some good ones, even lived next door to a fairly high ranking officer for a few years and had bbqs with the family etc

but traffic cops seriously have nothing better to do all day than meet their quotas

Viper speaking the truth of experience eh :P I'm not surprised most police stations are run under a corporation, corporations need to make profit to continue running hence all the bs fines.

are you trolling? This is just deluded

If you don't know what the f*** speeding is then you are a retard.

Speeding is going beyond a safe speed for the conditions you are driving in.

no, it isn't. Speeding is going beyond the established speed limit. Your definition is contrary to the established, legal definition. Again, no matter how good you think you are at "driving to the conditions", chances are, you're not

lets stow the abuse and focus on the topic at hand, eh?

Awww, it wasn't deleted when I quoted it :(

Actually trog it has nothing to do with driver skill it is all about awareness. There are things that lower awareness, and things that heighten awareness.

Things that lower awareness could be things like... driver skill?

trog it is pointless arguing with this guy. He has real mental issues that cause him to not live in reality.

wow you had me questioning myself as to whether or not I'd posted that bit about slander vs. libel just now

3000/day to fight a how much ticket?

I wish i earnt enough to pay money for no gain?

Wut wut?

Didnt read whole thread

Actually trog it has nothing to do with driver skill it is all about awareness. There are things that lower awareness, and things that heighten awareness.

What you call "Awareness" is just a part of what the rest of us call "skill"

trog it is pointless arguing with this guy. He has real mental issues that cause him to not live in reality.

I have this OCD-like compulsion to try to convince people that they're wrong (see: Avatar thread) and I can't do anything about it !@#

Yeah you keep on paying your laywer $3000 a day to fight a ~$100 ticket, good work teq. Fight that system!

I have this OCD-like compulsion to try to convince people that they're wrong (see: Avatar thread) and I can't do anything about it !@#

http://i45.tinypic.com/2irmex4.jpg

That comic is wrong though, no one would want to go to bed with trog.

It's Bruce Willis.

Weve been over this before, but alot of speed limits dont make sense, they are clearly to low for the conditions (ill even admit that some seem high for the conditions), eg they change 100metres down the road when the road conditions havent changed, or are way lower than a worse section of road.

Cops know this, they sit on sections of roads that they know the limit is too low for conditions and they know people will be a bit over, like when they have a 70 zone when it clearly should be 80 or 90.

They know they wont get anyone doing anything dangerous, but they will get s***loads of people being over the limit by 10-15ks.

Yes they are breaking the law, but the cops are also taking advantage of the situation and creating reputation of being revenue raisers.

Is it realy saving lives sitting at the bottom of a hill on a perfectly straight section of new road with no houses or anything anywhere near and booking people for doing 80? Dont think so.

People that get done on the M1 are idiots, people that get done going through red lights deserve it, people that tailgate deserve higher fines than speeding, people need to get fined more for not staying left on multilane roads when they arent overtaking, people should get fined when they are the cause of any accident.

But they are to busy revenue raising at the bottom of that hill in the 70 zone.

Trog how do you know they arent run like that?
Do you have proof of that or otherwise? Have you personally reviewed their accounting?

Until either of us has actually done the due diligence and looked completely into how it is run neither of us stand on anything but hearsay and whatever small experiences we have had with cops.

Have you seen the standford prison experiment and understood how that applies?

Hahaha fpot your f***ing amusing first its personal attacks, now its questioning for mental illness. Seriously i think you are mentally ill because that's all you have done, and secondly driver skill isn't lower awareness there are many things that cause a lowering of awareness. For instance air pollution, the brain uses oxygen, when deprived of oxygen we get brain cell damage. How much, well that could be anyones guess, and whether it be marginal or large even the marginal will make a difference. As for driver skill well just look at the way drivers are trained today all within the road rules which is part of the problem.
our main concerns on the road should be,condition of vehicle, knowing whats around us, the condition of the road, weather and not being afraid to break the rules if it means someone not getting hurt.

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The legal definition is a fiction of someone elses imagination, the planet don't lie just people.

Weve been over this before, but alot of speed limits dont make sense, they are clearly to low for the conditions (ill even admit that some seem high for the conditions), eg they change 100metres down the road when the road conditions havent changed, or are way lower than a worse section of road.

Are you a Transport+Traffic+Civil engineer?
Nah, didn't think so.

However, people who say politics doesn't come into the speed limit is kidding themselves. Pollies listen to the people that live on the street/area, they then pass that information onto the traffic/transport engineers (Civils dont care.) Sometimes it's in the way of "Hey these people think 80 might be a bit too fast" other times it's "I want this road to be 60, or else."
More often then not, people are asking for slower speeds. Crazy, I know. Thats what happens though.

I 100% agree, that in a lot of cases, those Police could be used for more (IMO) important duties. Like going after drunk drivers or arresting more Bogans starting trouble.

Are you a Transport+Traffic+Civil engineer?

Why does that matter? Normal people dont have common sense?

Ill give you an example, You know beaudesert road/mt lindsay highway?

Well going from jimboomba north its all s*** old roads, and the speed varies between 80-100, its 90-100 most of the way way. Then you get up towards park ridge, its a brand new secion of road that has 2 lanes either way, the rest from jimboomba is all single lane.

So its a brand new road, dual lane, its a highway, for the last 10+ks its been 90-100 on s*** old road, now its a brand new road with off ramps and merge lanes and guardrails.

What do you reckon the speed limit is? it sure aint 100 like it should be, its 80.

Why, who the f*** knows, maybe cause it used to be 70 when it had heaps of traffic lights and houses had driveways straigh onto the road. Now it doesnt have any of that, but its 80.

Funny how a police station is in a section right in the middle, with a nice little hill for them to sit on and book commuters go over 80.

You dont need to be civil engineer or whatever to see its a crock of s***.

Seriously you say its wrong, but when is it wrong, whats the deciding factor, reality or arbitrary prepositions?

Well, this is just a wild guess, but I would say its wrong, when, oh, I dunno, its against the law? You know, the laws you agree to abide by as part of living in this society? You can't just pick and choose which laws you want to follow, its kind of an "all or nothing" deal.

And just for future reference, dropping the word "arbitrary" all the time doesn't make your argument sound more valid or intelligent. Pretty sure laws aren't "arbitrary", I'm sure they're quite grounded in reality. Maybe not YOUR reality, but definitely the reality that the rest of us live in.

Edit: Oh, there was like another 150 posts after where I read up to, so I guess my reply is completely out of sync with the rest of the thread now. Oh well.

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Trog how do you know they arent run like that?
Do you have proof of that or otherwise? Have you personally reviewed their accounting?

Until either of us has actually done the due diligence and looked completely into how it is run neither of us stand on anything but hearsay and whatever small experiences we have had with cops.

Have you seen the standford prison experiment and understood how that applies?

Hahaha fpot your f***ing amusing first its personal attacks, now its questioning for mental illness. Seriously i think you are mentally ill because that's all you have done, and secondly driver skill isn't lower awareness there are many things that cause a lowering of awareness. For instance air pollution, the brain uses oxygen, when deprived of oxygen we get brain cell damage. How much, well that could be anyones guess, and whether it be marginal or large even the marginal will make a difference. As for driver skill well just look at the way drivers are trained today all within the road rules which is part of the problem.
our main concerns on the road should be,condition of vehicle, knowing whats around us, the condition of the road, weather and not being afraid to break the rules if it means someone not getting hurt.

bahahahahahahaha

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Trog how do you know they arent run like that?
Do you have proof of that or otherwise? Have you personally reviewed their accounting?

Until either of us has actually done the due diligence and looked completely into how it is run neither of us stand on anything but hearsay and whatever small experiences we have had with cops.

My experiences with cops have generally been really positive, even the time they rocked up to QGL and were asking me questions about why there was child porn on one of the computers at an event I was organising

Have you seen the standford prison experiment and understood how that applies?

dude please google 'strawman' - wait, that's not even a strawman

The legal definition is a fiction of someone elses imagination, the planet don't lie just people.

can anyone else make out what this is supposed to mean?

Have you seen the standford prison experiment and understood how that applies?

haha! why don't you tell us how the Stanford prison experiment is relevent to your crazy police conspiracy theory, oh wise arm-chair psychologist?

I know where he is going with the Stanford reference but how does that make speeding a sane behavior?
Should you accidently hit a jaywalker when you are speeding you could find yourself doing real hard time, even though they were jaywalking and you are an infinitely safe and aware driver.

Also you did not get booked on eye judgement of a cop for going a little over the speed limit. either
1 you were gunning it or
2 your mom told him to book you.

Why, who the f*** knows, maybe cause it used to be 70 when it had heaps of traffic lights and houses had driveways straigh onto the road. Now it doesnt have any of that, but its 80.

Maybe because of all the increased traffic on a road with heaps of verticle curves? Maybe because until 2 weeks ago they were still doing verge and middle island work on the road?
Might have something to do with the fact that there are still active works going on on the walls and underpasses for it.

I'm not totally sure, but some of these things may have had an effect on the speed limit. I've never seen Cops sitting on that road, but I usually only go over it 2 or 3 times a week.

As for 'who the f*** knows' I'm sure that the guys setting the speed would know a f***ton more then you about why they're setting the speed at 80.

Great thread, A++ would read again! I may be presumptuous but this could very well be a contender for THREAD OF THE YEAR.

As for cops, I've met a lot of them (not socially) and the good ones far far outweigh the bad ones. I've had a cop reduce a 40km/h over speed limit down to 20km/h, I've had them issue a warning when doing 130-140km/h out on the Flinders Highway and heaps more examples that would fall on deaf years of the cop haters.

Treat other people with respect (cops or not) and surprise surprise - you'll be treated with respect back.

those cops must have been having a good day to do that for you ticman.

only awesome cop i've come accross was in NZ. mate was driving along in a 100 zone, passed through a town that if u blinked u would miss it, which also changed the speed limit down to 50, through the 2 houses that were this town.

cop pulled us over and had a word, said we were here on holidays from oz and he gave us a warning and said have a merry xmas :P

only awesome cop i've come accross was in NZ. mate was driving along in a 100 zone, passed through a town that if u blinked u would miss it, which also changed the speed limit down to 50, through the 2 houses that were this town.

cop pulled us over and had a word, said we were here on holidays from oz and he gave us a warning and said have a merry xmas :P

I had the same thing happen to me in NZ except it was a fixed speed camera - got the thing in the mail back home a few weeks later

I paid the fine and got on with my life

home in nz or here? im pretty sure oz licenses arent even legal over there to drive with?

i don't get out of bed for less than paying 3k/day to my lawyer

home in nz or here? im pretty sure oz licenses arent even legal over there to drive with?

home here. I assumed they were legal; the car rental people sure didn't tell me anything otherwise when I showed them my license.

As for 'who the f*** knows' I'm sure that the guys setting the speed would know a f***ton more then you about why they're setting the speed at 80.

bulls***, if you drive that road and think you cant do over 80 safely then you shouldnt be on the road at all. Its a dual lane highway for f*** sake.

Its because they would have been forced to keep the speed limit down to keep someone happy.

home in nz or here? im pretty sure oz licenses arent even legal over there to drive with?

wtf? Of course they're legal, your AU licence is accepted worldwide*.

* There are exceptions of course and often you'll need an International Licence, talk to RACQ.