if my mother in law can lose her license, anyone can

If my mother can go 30 years of driving without a ticket/fine, anyone can. Oh no, your s***ty argument can be turned on its head!

no but I'm a pothead who can afford to hire a good lawyer

fpot you might think I'm a crazy person for fighting the system but I know you're a complete tard for having blind trust
you'd have to be pretty uninvested in your own future to not even question the authority that has the ability to absolutely f*** you over if they see fit
you're going places kid, keep it up

has your mother never done 1 kilometer over the speed limit in her life, Mantorok?
(actually I know she has, cause she made it to my house last night inside 5mins and to do that she had to average >100km/hr)

sometimes it's the luck of the draw and other times it's wrong place, wrong time, more often than not it's guilty as charged

your argument can be turned on its head simply by reminding you that innocent people get f***ed over from time to time too, they also occasionally end up in gaol

See you are confusing my level headedness and ability to think critically with blind trust. I've had to deal with police and bulls*** artists many many many many times in my job and occasionally in day to day life as well. There is no way anyone who ever knows me would describe me as someone who puts blind trust into anything.

I think I may have been onto something when I said that you probably have so much trouble with police and authority figures because even though you try to be civil and polite, you are utterly incapable of it due to your victimised personality and just being a complete f***wit in general. You've admitted on her many times you don't care who you f*** over and being a f***wit about things is the right way to get what you want. Not that I care because it is just so fun reading your stupid assumptions and crazy half-true anecdotes to try and back up your point of view, but maybe you should invest some time into learning how to not be such a detestable f*** head and you'll have less trouble from people who find themselves in a position to f*** you over.

Some inventors are called crazy, whats really crazy is how stupid you are fpot, and how you personally attack everyone who points out something that is wrong.

If you don't know what the f*** speeding is then you are a retard.

Speeding is going beyond a safe speed for the conditions you are driving in. It can not be construed as anything else a formula and arbitrary sign posted limit has less meaning than the reality of the world around us. If a dead sign means more than the living ever-changing world then you are mistaken in the perception.

Lets say we have 2 lanes on a highway signposted at 100km/hr does everyone need to be doing 100km/hr ? What if one person does 120km/hr and the other people recognise this so they merge and let him/her pass? Do we really need that amount of order?

I wouldn't class what you do as 'fighting the system'. Maybe it's getting some satisfaction but I'd take 'fighting the system' as actively trying to change it. I guess in the long run if everyone did it they might reform some things? I'd hazard a guess at that change being them making sper/no court turn up fees huge though.

Have you heard of reading Corrupt? Speed limit signs aren't arbitrary, they are set by people who are experts in the field based on the locality and condition of the road.

But you are just showing your blatant stupidity again. I never even mentioned anything to do with speed limits.

you got fined legitimately and lost 12 points, they give you your license back and you get 1 point for 12 months (or you can opt to take a 3 month suspension and you get 12 points back after the suspension ends)

That's all I needed to know, thanks.

tequila - Show me one completely innocent person who has lost all their points due to police error. I hear they hang out with leprechauns, should be fairly easy to find.

My recent experiences with police have been getting pulled over for having my fogs lights on, then being fined $13 for not having updated my address on my licence, then getting fined $40 for parking on a nature strip that is realy a huge section of grass next to a road where everyone parks to sell there car.

And then when I actually needed the police they took an hour and 20 minutes to turn up to an accident, after which both other drivers had already left in the ambulance. He breathalysed me, but not the guy at fault cause they didnt even bother to find out who was driving the other car, they had its rego and that was it, they didnt investigate the incident at all.

When someone had actualy put lives in danger, they didnt give a f***, cause it would have meant alot of work for probably a few fines, time they could spend out on the road getting the real killers doing 75 in a 70 zone.

Most cops are glorified speed cameras, they dont care about actual police work from what i've seen.

And then when I actually needed the police they took an hour and 20 minutes to turn up to an accident, after which both other drivers had already left in the ambulance. He breathalysed me, but not the guy at fault cause they didnt even bother to find out who was driving the other car, they had its rego and that was it, they didnt investigate the incident at all.

How do you know they didn't try and find out who the other driver was? They had his rego didn't they? You do realise they don't keep you updated on every aspect of their investigation right?

Viper speaking the truth of experience eh :P I'm not surprised most police stations are run under a corporation, corporations need to make profit to continue running hence all the bs fines.

Oooo touched a raw nerve did i fpot???? explains ur fury.

How do you know they didn't try and find out who the other driver was? They had his rego didn't they? You do realise they don't keep you updated on every aspect of their investigation right?

cause I didnt have his details, needed them for my insurance, rang up to find out they said they didnt have the name of the other driver, just his rego, and it wasnt a privacy thing cause my insurance company got a copy of the police report and it named the rego of the vehicle at fault, but not the driver, cause they didnt know who the driver was. This was a week after the accident.

If they had chased it up on the day of the accident and went to the hospital to breathalyse they guy at fault they would know his name.

in every one of your replies it's been a half arsed attempt to lead people off the trail followed by a swift personal attack
you'll never be anything more than the slugman fpot, pretty simply

oh and my mate got done by a cop estimating his speed then in court said they had him on tape admitting it. My mate knew he hadnt admitted it and the apparent admission was when after trying to get my mate to admit to the speed my mate said something along the lines of "whatever you reckon" in an obvious sarcastic way.

Im sure there are good cops out there, I just havent meet any yet.

Actually an old mates dad was head of CIB somewhere, he was a pretty good guy, obviously not a traffic cop though.

You'll never be anything but a f***wit hopelessly raging against the system in your own specially retarded way teq.

I am asking about a story that was circulated about you years ago. About the story that caused you to seek therapy and to be diagnosed with generalized anxiety disorder.

he obviously doesnt want to talk about a sore point in his life


:P

yeah i got no beef with non-traffic cops, except when they're corrupt
met some good ones, even lived next door to a fairly high ranking officer for a few years and had bbqs with the family etc

but traffic cops seriously have nothing better to do all day than meet their quotas

Viper speaking the truth of experience eh :P I'm not surprised most police stations are run under a corporation, corporations need to make profit to continue running hence all the bs fines.

are you trolling? This is just deluded

If you don't know what the f*** speeding is then you are a retard.

Speeding is going beyond a safe speed for the conditions you are driving in.

no, it isn't. Speeding is going beyond the established speed limit. Your definition is contrary to the established, legal definition. Again, no matter how good you think you are at "driving to the conditions", chances are, you're not

lets stow the abuse and focus on the topic at hand, eh?

Awww, it wasn't deleted when I quoted it :(

Actually trog it has nothing to do with driver skill it is all about awareness. There are things that lower awareness, and things that heighten awareness.

Things that lower awareness could be things like... driver skill?

trog it is pointless arguing with this guy. He has real mental issues that cause him to not live in reality.

wow you had me questioning myself as to whether or not I'd posted that bit about slander vs. libel just now

3000/day to fight a how much ticket?

I wish i earnt enough to pay money for no gain?

Wut wut?

Didnt read whole thread

Actually trog it has nothing to do with driver skill it is all about awareness. There are things that lower awareness, and things that heighten awareness.

What you call "Awareness" is just a part of what the rest of us call "skill"

trog it is pointless arguing with this guy. He has real mental issues that cause him to not live in reality.

I have this OCD-like compulsion to try to convince people that they're wrong (see: Avatar thread) and I can't do anything about it !@#

Yeah you keep on paying your laywer $3000 a day to fight a ~$100 ticket, good work teq. Fight that system!

I have this OCD-like compulsion to try to convince people that they're wrong (see: Avatar thread) and I can't do anything about it !@#

http://i45.tinypic.com/2irmex4.jpg

That comic is wrong though, no one would want to go to bed with trog.

It's Bruce Willis.

Weve been over this before, but alot of speed limits dont make sense, they are clearly to low for the conditions (ill even admit that some seem high for the conditions), eg they change 100metres down the road when the road conditions havent changed, or are way lower than a worse section of road.

Cops know this, they sit on sections of roads that they know the limit is too low for conditions and they know people will be a bit over, like when they have a 70 zone when it clearly should be 80 or 90.

They know they wont get anyone doing anything dangerous, but they will get s***loads of people being over the limit by 10-15ks.

Yes they are breaking the law, but the cops are also taking advantage of the situation and creating reputation of being revenue raisers.

Is it realy saving lives sitting at the bottom of a hill on a perfectly straight section of new road with no houses or anything anywhere near and booking people for doing 80? Dont think so.

People that get done on the M1 are idiots, people that get done going through red lights deserve it, people that tailgate deserve higher fines than speeding, people need to get fined more for not staying left on multilane roads when they arent overtaking, people should get fined when they are the cause of any accident.

But they are to busy revenue raising at the bottom of that hill in the 70 zone.

Trog how do you know they arent run like that?
Do you have proof of that or otherwise? Have you personally reviewed their accounting?

Until either of us has actually done the due diligence and looked completely into how it is run neither of us stand on anything but hearsay and whatever small experiences we have had with cops.

Have you seen the standford prison experiment and understood how that applies?

Hahaha fpot your f***ing amusing first its personal attacks, now its questioning for mental illness. Seriously i think you are mentally ill because that's all you have done, and secondly driver skill isn't lower awareness there are many things that cause a lowering of awareness. For instance air pollution, the brain uses oxygen, when deprived of oxygen we get brain cell damage. How much, well that could be anyones guess, and whether it be marginal or large even the marginal will make a difference. As for driver skill well just look at the way drivers are trained today all within the road rules which is part of the problem.
our main concerns on the road should be,condition of vehicle, knowing whats around us, the condition of the road, weather and not being afraid to break the rules if it means someone not getting hurt.

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The legal definition is a fiction of someone elses imagination, the planet don't lie just people.

Weve been over this before, but alot of speed limits dont make sense, they are clearly to low for the conditions (ill even admit that some seem high for the conditions), eg they change 100metres down the road when the road conditions havent changed, or are way lower than a worse section of road.

Are you a Transport+Traffic+Civil engineer?
Nah, didn't think so.

However, people who say politics doesn't come into the speed limit is kidding themselves. Pollies listen to the people that live on the street/area, they then pass that information onto the traffic/transport engineers (Civils dont care.) Sometimes it's in the way of "Hey these people think 80 might be a bit too fast" other times it's "I want this road to be 60, or else."
More often then not, people are asking for slower speeds. Crazy, I know. Thats what happens though.

I 100% agree, that in a lot of cases, those Police could be used for more (IMO) important duties. Like going after drunk drivers or arresting more Bogans starting trouble.

Are you a Transport+Traffic+Civil engineer?

Why does that matter? Normal people dont have common sense?

Ill give you an example, You know beaudesert road/mt lindsay highway?

Well going from jimboomba north its all s*** old roads, and the speed varies between 80-100, its 90-100 most of the way way. Then you get up towards park ridge, its a brand new secion of road that has 2 lanes either way, the rest from jimboomba is all single lane.

So its a brand new road, dual lane, its a highway, for the last 10+ks its been 90-100 on s*** old road, now its a brand new road with off ramps and merge lanes and guardrails.

What do you reckon the speed limit is? it sure aint 100 like it should be, its 80.

Why, who the f*** knows, maybe cause it used to be 70 when it had heaps of traffic lights and houses had driveways straigh onto the road. Now it doesnt have any of that, but its 80.

Funny how a police station is in a section right in the middle, with a nice little hill for them to sit on and book commuters go over 80.

You dont need to be civil engineer or whatever to see its a crock of s***.

Seriously you say its wrong, but when is it wrong, whats the deciding factor, reality or arbitrary prepositions?

Well, this is just a wild guess, but I would say its wrong, when, oh, I dunno, its against the law? You know, the laws you agree to abide by as part of living in this society? You can't just pick and choose which laws you want to follow, its kind of an "all or nothing" deal.

And just for future reference, dropping the word "arbitrary" all the time doesn't make your argument sound more valid or intelligent. Pretty sure laws aren't "arbitrary", I'm sure they're quite grounded in reality. Maybe not YOUR reality, but definitely the reality that the rest of us live in.

Edit: Oh, there was like another 150 posts after where I read up to, so I guess my reply is completely out of sync with the rest of the thread now. Oh well.

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Trog how do you know they arent run like that?
Do you have proof of that or otherwise? Have you personally reviewed their accounting?

Until either of us has actually done the due diligence and looked completely into how it is run neither of us stand on anything but hearsay and whatever small experiences we have had with cops.

Have you seen the standford prison experiment and understood how that applies?

Hahaha fpot your f***ing amusing first its personal attacks, now its questioning for mental illness. Seriously i think you are mentally ill because that's all you have done, and secondly driver skill isn't lower awareness there are many things that cause a lowering of awareness. For instance air pollution, the brain uses oxygen, when deprived of oxygen we get brain cell damage. How much, well that could be anyones guess, and whether it be marginal or large even the marginal will make a difference. As for driver skill well just look at the way drivers are trained today all within the road rules which is part of the problem.
our main concerns on the road should be,condition of vehicle, knowing whats around us, the condition of the road, weather and not being afraid to break the rules if it means someone not getting hurt.

bahahahahahahaha

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Trog how do you know they arent run like that?
Do you have proof of that or otherwise? Have you personally reviewed their accounting?

Until either of us has actually done the due diligence and looked completely into how it is run neither of us stand on anything but hearsay and whatever small experiences we have had with cops.

My experiences with cops have generally been really positive, even the time they rocked up to QGL and were asking me questions about why there was child porn on one of the computers at an event I was organising

Have you seen the standford prison experiment and understood how that applies?

dude please google 'strawman' - wait, that's not even a strawman

The legal definition is a fiction of someone elses imagination, the planet don't lie just people.

can anyone else make out what this is supposed to mean?

Have you seen the standford prison experiment and understood how that applies?

haha! why don't you tell us how the Stanford prison experiment is relevent to your crazy police conspiracy theory, oh wise arm-chair psychologist?

I know where he is going with the Stanford reference but how does that make speeding a sane behavior?
Should you accidently hit a jaywalker when you are speeding you could find yourself doing real hard time, even though they were jaywalking and you are an infinitely safe and aware driver.

Also you did not get booked on eye judgement of a cop for going a little over the speed limit. either
1 you were gunning it or
2 your mom told him to book you.

Why, who the f*** knows, maybe cause it used to be 70 when it had heaps of traffic lights and houses had driveways straigh onto the road. Now it doesnt have any of that, but its 80.

Maybe because of all the increased traffic on a road with heaps of verticle curves? Maybe because until 2 weeks ago they were still doing verge and middle island work on the road?
Might have something to do with the fact that there are still active works going on on the walls and underpasses for it.

I'm not totally sure, but some of these things may have had an effect on the speed limit. I've never seen Cops sitting on that road, but I usually only go over it 2 or 3 times a week.

As for 'who the f*** knows' I'm sure that the guys setting the speed would know a f***ton more then you about why they're setting the speed at 80.

Great thread, A++ would read again! I may be presumptuous but this could very well be a contender for THREAD OF THE YEAR.

As for cops, I've met a lot of them (not socially) and the good ones far far outweigh the bad ones. I've had a cop reduce a 40km/h over speed limit down to 20km/h, I've had them issue a warning when doing 130-140km/h out on the Flinders Highway and heaps more examples that would fall on deaf years of the cop haters.

Treat other people with respect (cops or not) and surprise surprise - you'll be treated with respect back.

those cops must have been having a good day to do that for you ticman.

only awesome cop i've come accross was in NZ. mate was driving along in a 100 zone, passed through a town that if u blinked u would miss it, which also changed the speed limit down to 50, through the 2 houses that were this town.

cop pulled us over and had a word, said we were here on holidays from oz and he gave us a warning and said have a merry xmas :P

only awesome cop i've come accross was in NZ. mate was driving along in a 100 zone, passed through a town that if u blinked u would miss it, which also changed the speed limit down to 50, through the 2 houses that were this town.

cop pulled us over and had a word, said we were here on holidays from oz and he gave us a warning and said have a merry xmas :P

I had the same thing happen to me in NZ except it was a fixed speed camera - got the thing in the mail back home a few weeks later

I paid the fine and got on with my life

home in nz or here? im pretty sure oz licenses arent even legal over there to drive with?

i don't get out of bed for less than paying 3k/day to my lawyer

home in nz or here? im pretty sure oz licenses arent even legal over there to drive with?

home here. I assumed they were legal; the car rental people sure didn't tell me anything otherwise when I showed them my license.

As for 'who the f*** knows' I'm sure that the guys setting the speed would know a f***ton more then you about why they're setting the speed at 80.

bulls***, if you drive that road and think you cant do over 80 safely then you shouldnt be on the road at all. Its a dual lane highway for f*** sake.

Its because they would have been forced to keep the speed limit down to keep someone happy.

home in nz or here? im pretty sure oz licenses arent even legal over there to drive with?

wtf? Of course they're legal, your AU licence is accepted worldwide*.

* There are exceptions of course and often you'll need an International Licence, talk to RACQ.