Have a look at this page. Guys, let's stop killing ourselves intentionally. It's easy to get help! But if that's hard, get help to get help!

Cliff notes for those who didn't look at the link:

# Despite the common belief that there is a “youth suicide epidemic”, suicide rates among young males have fallen considerably over recent years (by about 50% since 1997), and suicide in children under the age of 15 is a rare event in Australia.
# Despite these decreases, suicide remains a major external cause of death, accounting for more deaths than transport accidents between 1995 and 2006.

~I put the bits in bold for emphasis.

Are the rates different for males and females?

* Suicide rates for males are higher than those for females and have been higher since at least the 1920’s. More women than men, however, attempt suicide.3
* The ratio of male to female suicides rose from 2:1 in the 1960s to over 4:1 in the mid 1990s. In recent years, the suicide rate for males has reduced slightly to almost 4 times that of females, and is consistent across most age groups.
* Between 1997 and 2006, the suicide rate fell by 34%, with this rate of change similar for males (35%) and females (31%).

I think there is some sort of Loki related joke going on with nF there.

pretty sure it was about Heath Ledger/The Joker

granted i didnt work it out until I was walking to the shops about half an hour after I read it

did anyone consider he may have tripped off the building, or even been pushed!!

everyone just assumes suicide...

* Suicide rates for males are higher than those for females and have been higher since at least the 1920’s. More women than men, however, attempt suicide.3

And at 4 times the success rate, good work fellas. Shows they really mean it rather than this ploy for attention bs.

The whole mindset of the known generations seems backward for the most part; from the glorified consumption of poisons (drugs (inc. alcohol and cigarettes) and processed sugar) to the absolute belief in something unproven or even unprovable, it really isn't a healthy society, physically or psychologically.

People have been consuming mild altering substances since just about forever, and there is no difference between 'processed sugar' (which I assume you mean is white sugar) and brown sugar.

And I reckon there would have been a note they seem pretty certain it is suicide.

people have been having sex since forever too dice

or didn't you get that memo?

And at 4 times the success rate, good work fellas. Shows they really mean it rather than this ploy for attention bs.

That's such a bad attitude to have.

Men and women experience the same emotions, they just express themselves differently - it's a known fact men are more violent in their suicide attempts (and hence possibly their "success" rate as you put it).

Suicidal ideation and attempt is really not something to be joked about. The whole "she's just being an attention whore" is probably just the way women express their need for help/an inability to cope with something. Men I guess just don't express that need for help the same way.

I think you're only half right 99 - generally, women attempt suicide for some sort of attention whereas men attempt suicide to kill themselves. If men sought help at earlier stages then maybe there would be less successful suicides.

I think women normally cut themselves, and lose weight etc often as a cry for help, whereas I don't think men seek that help as such. I agree with Agent 99 that men deal with anger more violently, which leads to more violent suicides/attempts. Tho perhaps you're right Billy, maybe women's attempts are more cries for help. Depression is really common among teenage girls, I knew several girls in high school who were hurting themselves, and most of the time I would say they were definitely cries for help. But I did have one who was a very serious case who spent about a year in hospital recovering after a suicide attempt. I'm not sure whether her attempt was unsuccessful due to Billy's theory that perhaps she didn't want to actually kill herself, or whether it was more along the lines that women just don't choose as violent means.

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harden the f*** up and stop being so selfish I say. Think of all the people you'll hurt by committing suicide.

generally, women attempt suicide for some sort of attention whereas men attempt suicide to kill themselves

Wrong. The reason male suicide rates are higher but womens' attempts at suicide are higher is purely because of "method". It's not about the "seriousness" of the attempt of suicide. Men simply choose more "lethal" means such as guns when compared to women who (a) often have less access to aforementioned lethal means or (b) choose other methods due to fear of "violent" death

/so many quotation marks

I think women normally cut themselves, and lose weight etc often as a cry for help, whereas I don't think men seek that help as such.

Women (and men) who cut themselves usually have some sort of dissociation disorder - when they perform these acts they describe it as "looking down on themselves whilst doing it but not associating with the person with the cuts".

A friend's sister starting cutting herself when she found out her dad wasn't her real dad (she was always daddy's little princess - found out about 13 or 14 years of age I think). This fits in with a dissociation disorder as she had a huge shift in her identity (or at least that is my understanding of it - clarification welcome).

Some women may also attempt suicide less violently by cutting themselves too I guess. It is also entirely possible that men and women may cut themselves for attention.

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Is depression a disease or is modern life depressing?

I think modern life is depressing is the answer. Not that this is what I believe, but the human being can be seen as a worthless entity in the modern world.

Man does not hunt and explore and conquer new territory these days. Man is often frustrated as he does not even hunt his own food.

Life is repetitive and unfulfiling.

Industrial Society and Its Future AKA "The Unabomber's Manifesto"

someone get this guy an anti-depressant, stat

man is not meant to be caged in the concrete jungle. man is meant to run wild, with no pants on.

Self-harm ("cutting") is completely unrelated to suicide attempts. Self-harm most often occurs in the context of personality disorders and is not undertaken as a "cry for help" nor as an attempt to take one's life.

In psychology we learnt that the simple act of sitting down to dinner at a table provided by someone else causes all manner of s***storms in the human brain. It leads people to get angry over nothing too, which is why a lot of families fight around dinner time.

Now take that concept and apply it to all the other things we have evolved to do, and that we're missing out on, and you can start to understand why people still seem to have problems when their life is apparently easy to live.

All this talk of "accepting situations" is all well and good but has absolutely nothing to do with depression.

I know that some people just cannot function in some situations but seriously, there's a difference between being a little uncomfortable in a social setting and throwing yourself off a building.

I would be very interested to see trends in suicide levels over the past several centuries.

Could it be that society's push towards recognition of the individual over the institution has lead more individuals to consider their own needs for satisfaction and self-realisation to the prejudice of our families, social network and institutions?

As a result individuals are able to more easily justify suicide as a solution to their personal problems, in turn paying less regard to the consequences of their action on a broader scale.

Self-harm ("cutting") is completely unrelated to suicide attempts. Self-harm most often occurs in the context of personality disorders and is not undertaken as a "cry for help" nor as an attempt to take one's life.

I wasn't referring to it as seeking attention, which is why I worded it as a "cry for help" because they are two entirely different things.

lulz i guess you didn't get the memo with any real facts about that little situation i had to "accept" eh

twenty something year old virgin.



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lol don't be angry, it will happen

If men sought help at earlier stages then maybe there would be less successful suicides.

I remember being told a large percentage (can't remember exact numbers) of people often seek help, or go see a gp or something before they commit suicide. Maybe health care workers need to be better equipped to screen for patients at risk?

people that wanna die should be allowed to die... futurama suicide booth style! it would help in the overall population problem & no one loses any human rights. win. win.

everyone should just take a dinga and chillax the f*** out

There's still the problem of perceived reality.

actually there really isnt, you just talk a lot of s***

this whole thread is s***, f*** you Mark Priestly for bringing this upon us

anybody who has an identity problem had better wise up and get with the program!

Wrong. The reason male suicide rates are higher but womens' attempts at suicide are higher is purely because of "method". It's not about the "seriousness" of the attempt of suicide. Men simply choose more "lethal" means such as guns when compared to women who (a) often have less access to aforementioned lethal means or (b) choose other methods due to fear of "violent" death

Interesting - Unfortunately I'm relying on my memory of the subject I did two years ago so I can't argue with you :p

I wasn't referring to it as seeking attention, which is why I worded it as a "cry for help" because they are two entirely different things.

FYI that's still wrong.

people that wanna die should be allowed to die... futurama suicide booth style! it would help in the overall population problem & no one loses any human rights. win. win.

whats more selfish... commiting suicide or ignorantly bringing more people into an grossly overpopulated world?

+1 for couples that have like an 80% chance of having a severely retarded child but have kids anyway and they turn out to be severely retarded

nothing wrong with having children. just don't go overboard and have like seven

in hindsight, yes this is a terribly idiotic and futile subject.

if you're gonna off yourself, you're f***ed to begin with.

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9 out of 10 people enjoy a gang rape, fyi

this whole thread is s***, f*** you Mark Priestly for bringing this upon us

+1

sorry to say but if you're dumb enough, yes dumb.. to commit suicide and not seeking our guidance or help before you reach that stage then good f***ing riddance. it brings so many different people into morning when someone does them self in.

and afternoon even

i see what you did there