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dazedandconfused
Posts: 738
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

Dude you're on such strong footing that you can simply fabricate an absurd position that I've never taken and use that as your argument.

The Mueller report establishes that -

1) Russia attacked the US
2) trump helped Russia attack the US
3) trump committed crimes when he covered up how he helped Russia attack the US
4) Russia's attack was to make trump potus

Maybe after four months of blubbering you can have a go at that? Guess you'll have to post tomorrow though.


Only 2 of those things are potentially true. I'm sure with your massive brain and even more massive psychological issues you can easily deduce which ones they are.
PornoPete
Posts: 3624
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

Heh. The opposition in 1932 needed to look inward.

0_o

That's one of those dopey not even wrong vash specials.
Vash
Posts: 6077
Location:

It's almost like you guys think propaganda has no influence on public opinion. Hurr its only facebook memes bruh
PornoPete
Posts: 3625
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

Oh I've got some idea about the effects of propaganda Mr "true communism has never been tried".
Vash
Posts: 6078
Location:

Glad you finally came around.
Spook
Posts: 41366
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
have we watched the great hack?
https://www.netflix.com/au/title/80117542
infi
Posts: 24373
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

have we watched the great hack?
https://www.netflix.com/au/title/80117542


The US should be far more concerned about domestic actors in affecting the election. Google is also on record that it intends to manipulate search results to prevent a Trump victory.

See Project Veritas.
Vash
Posts: 6079
Location:

Much of the funding for Project Veritas comes from anonymous donations through Donors Trust, a conservative, American nonprofit donor-advised fund, which according to its promotional materials, says that it will "keep your charitable giving private, especially gifts funding sensitive or controversial issues."[10] Prominent donors include the Trump Foundation, which, in May 2015, donated $10,000.[11][12]



Lol?
infi
Posts: 24374
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

The footage speaks for itself. Google caught with their pants down.
PornoPete
Posts: 3626
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

Glad you finally came around.


Oops bad syntax match.
Vash
Posts: 6080
Location:

All i can see from the footage is a blacked out guy with a voice mask. Doesn't alarm you at all considering your take on anonymous journalism?
infi
Posts: 24375
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Vash what happened to the last google employee who spoke out on the record about internal google matters?
Vash
Posts: 6081
Location:

In that case, it should alarm you about Trump's rape accusations and why they had to remain anonymous, due to death threats.

You also stated that Mueller's team funded the Clintons. Yet you're not alarmed that Trump is funding the people who are targeting Google.
infi
Posts: 24376
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

No, the Russians funded the Clinton Foundation. Mueller's team was comprised of attorneys who had previously worked for Clinton related parties.

I am more interested in the unabashed bias of Silicon Valley social media and search giants. It's not like they deny it so why are you fighting this?
Vash
Posts: 6082
Location:

The Russians funded the Clintons.. to help them not get elected. Right.

Is this some kind of projection about Russia helping Trump get elected?
PornoPete
Posts: 3627
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

In that case, it should alarm you about Trump's rape accusations and why they had to remain anonymous, due to death threats.

You also stated that Mueller's team funded the Clintons. Yet you're not alarmed that Trump is funding the people who are targeting Google.


One of these things is not like the other.
infi
Posts: 24377
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

The Russians funded the Clintons.. to help them not get elected. Right.

Is this some kind of projection about Russia helping Trump get elected?


You're not aware that the Clinton foundation received Russian donations ?
Nmag
Posts: 1190
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

You're the same dolt who has been re-regging accounts on here for years now. You're a real unique type of f***wit and no matter what you do to try and hide it (the doting father, the successful university student, the amatuer psychologist) it doesn't work.

There's no way for me to prove it and you'll of course deny it. Once upon it was fun to chide you for months until you finally broke down and gave the game away in a big frothy rage but I got over it. Seems you'll never get over being a f***wit.


That's your imagination at work fpot. I have never used an alternate account on here and I'm not one to make smurfs. I been using this user name in forums and pc games for 20+ years.
fpot
Posts: 26664
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

It's a Google and Fusion GPS conspiracy to take out trump and it was also the Clinton's the whole time! Holy f*** I didn't know you were in that deep.

Buffering yourself with multiple layers of impenetrable bulls*** to hide from the fact that -

a) Russia attacked the US
b) trump helped Russia attack the US
c) trump committed crimes covering up helping Russia attack the US
d) trump being elected potus was the plan because it doesn't take the SVR to predict how much of a disaster that has turned out to be.

And Nmag like I said I don't really care. You're the exact same kind of whiney, pathetic loser that this person was though so you'll forgive me for not being able to tell the difference.
fpot
Posts: 26666
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

infi, what do you think of QAnon?
Vash
Posts: 6083
Location:

Yeah he is in that deep, him and the others.
Truly amazing what propaganda can do.
infi
Posts: 24378
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

I guess it must feel really frustrating to genuinely believe that bulls***, yet at the same time, no indictments, no impeachment, to a top-level threat and puppet of Russia. lmao you are tragic.

I don't know anything about QAnon

I do know that the Clinton Foundation received $145m in donations from Russian linked sources..

Would have thought Putin might slipped Trump a few dollars too just to make it look even.

https://i.imgur.com/pFPpX6h.jpg
Vash
Posts: 6084
Location:


Here let me counter your 'fact' check with another fact check.

https://www.politifact.com/facebook-fact-checks/statements/2018/dec/07/blog-posting/complex-tale-involving-hillary-clinton-uranium-rus/

Im wasting my time of course, but you guys thrive off misinformation, we can't have that.


PornoPete
Posts: 3628
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

In which the fact check doesn't refute Bill Clinton's payment.
infi
Posts: 24379
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

The charge isn't any thing was sold in exchange for donations.

The charge is that Russian connected actors made donations to Clinton Foundation. Cos they are nice guys.... Bill Clinton paid to deliver a speech to a Russian bank.

And the Mueller investigation list its mind over Facebook memes.

I can't wait till George Papadopolous testifies in Congress.
Vash
Posts: 6085
Location:

Down the rabbit hole we go. You guys can stay down there.

I can't wait too. So many arrests and crimes around the Trump crew.
But it's just a deep state conspiracy right?
infi
Posts: 24380
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Down the rabbit hole we go. You guys can stay down there.

I can't wait too. So many arrests and crimes around the Trump crew.
But it's just a deep state conspiracy right?


Mueller's done and zero, so I guess, no? It's just as CNN admitted on Project Veritas: a nothing-burger.
Vash
Posts: 6086
Location:

“I’d like to ask you the reason, again, that you did not indict Donald Trump is because of the O.L.C. opinion stating that you cannot indict a sitting president, correct?” he asked, referring to the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel.

“That is correct,” Mr. Mueller said.


Total nothing burger, a fantasy.
infi
Posts: 24381
Location: Brisbane, Queensland



Total nothing burger, a fantasy.


And what about other indictments for collusion? Or did Trump do it all alone?

What about impeachment?

A serious top level threat to the United States remains in charge? C'mon... Mueller is so senile he couldn't even recall his report. His crack attorney team had ex-Hillary attorneys in there. This is a joke.

Trump will never be indicted even after 2024, or there may be a constitutional amendment before then to allow him a third term.
PornoPete
Posts: 3629
Location: Melbourne, Victoria


Total nothing burger, a fantasy.


Ah yeah so that would be the testimony that he made a big dramatic point of walking back.

Please tell us more about the effects of propaganda

Speaking of nothing burgers can anyone at all explained to me what the point of the big hack was? It told literally nothing I didn't already know set to scawy music.
fpot
Posts: 26667
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

His pay off to Stormy Daniels in a functional democracy is grounds for impeachment. Assisting a foreign superpower in an attack against the US for his own personal gain should have been cause for him to resign on the day the Mueller report dropped. That you're using the fact he isn't being impeached as some sort of mitigating factor for his behaviour is absolutely absurd.

At this point it is obvious trump is a bigot. It is obvious that he is a serial abuser of women. It is obvious that his own personal behaviour is damaging the reputation of the US more every single day. It is obvious that he is flagrantly corrupt. It is obvious that he is grossly incompetent not only as president, but in all of his prior business dealings. What I am basically saying is that trump is obviously unfit to lead anything (and I mean anything) let alone a superpower like the US.

The reason you like him so much is because you're a terrible person. You're just a real complete piece of s***. That's the universal denominator amongst trump supporters. All of them complete scum who have risen from the muck post 2016. Minds addled with self-serving conspiracy theories who have been mainstreamed by a complete garbage human being and the disinformation campaign that got him elected and keeps him in power. Two things are going to happen - the full truth will be revealed and trump will go to jail like he deserves, or, he will accumulate even more power and influence and we'll have a literal global catastrophe on our hands. You are such a vile human being that you hope option two happens. That's how f***ed up you are.
infi
Posts: 24382
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Assisting a foreign superpower in an attack against the US for his own personal gain should have been cause for him to resign on the day the Mueller report dropped.


Total horses***. How long will we have to wait after 2024 for you to admit Trump will never be prosecuted? I want to place that day in my diary ;)

You're just a real complete piece of s***. That's the universal denominator amongst trump supporters. All of them complete scum who have risen from the muck post 2016.


That's how Trump wins re-election. Don't go for the middle ground, don't bridge the gap. Double down on the Deplorables! You are winning at losing; love the style.
fpot
Posts: 26668
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

Yes yes the old the worse we become the more likely trump is to win. Ironically enough it's mostly true. Not because people are astounded by just how f***ing awful you are and struggle to express it, but because trump's whole purpose is to foster that sort of malevolence.

There is no middle-ground when dealing with trump. It is blatantly obvious old fashioned concepts like due process, transparency of government, competence in government and the truth no longer apply. And those sort of things are what used to flush toxic waste like trump and you down the toilet. One of the great idioms of life - you can't reason someone out of something they haven't reasoned themselves into. trump supporters are just satisfying their basest urges when they wave their little signs. The urge to blame their own shortcomings on others. It's happened repeatedly throughout history and when it does it's always the same. A critical mass of dumbc***s wrecking s*** for everyone else. Congrats on being part of that critical mass, dips***.
PornoPete
Posts: 3630
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

Yes yes the old the worse we become the more likely trump is to win. Ironically enough it's mostly true. Not because people are astounded by just how f***ing awful you are and struggle to express it, but because trump's whole purpose is to foster that sort of malevolence.


Had to read that one twice. Fpot blames his inability articulate an argument beyond the dribble above on trump as though that's some sort of excuse. It would carry a modicum if plausibility if he hadn't always called infi a piece of s***. But he has.

The person accusing everyone of indulging conspiracy theories says this.
Two things are going to happen - the full truth will be revealed and trump will go to jail like he deserves, or, he will accumulate even more power and influence and we'll have a literal global catastrophe on our hands. You are such a vile human being that you hope option two happens. That's how f***ed up you are.


That's a totally sane thing the think.
Nmag
Posts: 1191
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

fpot you come across as a very emotionally charged angry person. How is life going for you? Are you having a good weekend?
Spook
Posts: 41367
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Speaking of nothing burgers can anyone at all explained to me what the point of the big hack was? It told literally nothing I didn't already know set to scawy music.


everyone one in the world knows everything that you know?
fpot
Posts: 26670
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

Another white supremacist/trump supporter (they're the exact same thing) has committed a mass shooting involving multiple deaths. There will be more and more. Tell me again how liberals are crazy and that antifa should be a designated a domestic terrorist organisation.
PornoPete
Posts: 3631
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

Is it really a revelation Facebook uses personal data to sell ads? I feel they've been very clear on this point for over a decade.
infi
Posts: 24383
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Is it really a revelation Facebook uses personal data to sell ads? I feel they've been very clear on this point for over a decade.


And the users agree to it in the T's & Cs.
Vash
Posts: 6088
Location:

Another white supremacist/trump supporter (they're the exact same thing) has committed a mass shooting involving multiple deaths. There will be more and more. Tell me again how liberals are crazy and that antifa should be a designated a domestic terrorist organisation.


Yep its turning out to be a big problem. Watch PP & Infi think its a non issue.
dazedandconfused
Posts: 739
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

The document criticized both Democrats and Republicans and expressed anti-government and anti-corporate views. The author claimed to have developed those beliefs before Trump's presidency.

Don't let a good atrocity get in the way of your political grandstanding dudes.

Also note that probably the most renowned white Nationalist behind David Duke, Richard Spencer, has recinded his support of Trump. Maybe engage the partially functioning part of your brains to figure out what is actually going on.
PornoPete
Posts: 3632
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

Yes yes the old the worse we become the more likely trump is to win. Ironically enough it's mostly true. Not because people are astounded by just how f***ing awful you are and struggle to express it, but because trump's whole purpose is to foster that sort of malevolence.
Another white supremacist/trump supporter (they're the exact same thing) has committed a mass shooting involving multiple deaths. There will be more and more. Tell me again how liberals are crazy and that antifa should be a designated a domestic terrorist organisation.


From the article
Terrorism experts warn that nothing should be taken at face value in the propaganda material left behind by hate crime suspects, which aim to provide fodder for social media pickup and mainstream media coverage.


I wonder if you could connect these things.
fpot
Posts: 26672
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

I know your incel sympathy levels must be off the charts for your brother who was doing god's work in El Paso today but what you just posted does absolutely nothing to abate the fact that there has been yet another trump inspired mass murder in the USA today and I'm really confused how you thought that it did and felt you needed to post it.

edit: btw, trump is now the now the most renowned white nationalist in the USA. hth.
Vash
Posts: 6089
Location:

Yes lets not connect this shooting to the growing trend of others. That would be inconvenient to PP.

despite this:

The note cites the Christchurch, New Zealand, mosque shooter, an anti-immigrant white supremacist who left 51 dead in March, as an inspiration. The Christchurch shooter also linked to a livestream of his attack on Facebook, and posted that link to 8chan.


Meanwhile Antifa is scary.
infi
Posts: 24384
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Would you consider withholding evidence which would exonerate an accused to be obstruction of Justice?

That mass shooting story is terrible. America had this many guns 50 years ago but there were no mass shootings. What are they putting in the water over there?
Vash
Posts: 6090
Location:



That mass shooting story is terrible. America had this many guns 50 years ago but there were no mass shootings. What are they putting in the water over there?


I posted it before but here it is again
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/04/03/world/white-extremist-terrorism-christchurch.html

People are being radicalised in the U.S recently due to xenophobic rhetoric. It's easy to see why with some of the delusional beliefs they start developing, and its becoming more common in supporters of Trump.
The guy who sent bombs to multiple democrats was radicalized by fox news.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jul/23/cesar-sayoc-maga-bomber-radicalized-fox-news-faceb/

Then you got the fake profiles posting 'facebook memes' that fuel that xenophobia and spread false information on the position of democrats.

But most of these shootings appear to be copycats originating from the Norway shooting, and the thinking style seems to be the same.
infi
Posts: 24385
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

People are being radicalised in the U.S recently due to xenophobic rhetoric.


except mass shootings have occurred through all presidents. and before Norway. There has been this gradual destabilisation of the populace in the US since about the early 90s. it's not as simple as xenophobia, although that is a satisfying MSNBC/WaPo theory. I am thinking it has to do more with pharmaceuticals, technological/social rate of change, social media - to me it is very much a social phenomenon USA has created which is unique from other countries, typically manifesting itself in insecurity of young men.

Talk about people being radicalised. Democrats from 30 years ago would be harassed out of the Democrat party of today. The Democrats of today are further left than the Australian Greens.

edit: I read his manifesto - it's mostly focused on automation and the effect of mass immigration on america as a result. he also believes the Democrats are bent on importing millions of Latinos to flip Texas and other southern states to Democrat.

https://i.postimg.cc/Jn5MQ95c/screenshot-siteget-net-2019-08-04-14-43-02.png
Vash
Posts: 6091
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he also believes the Democrats are bent on importing millions of Latinos to flip Texas and other southern states to Democrat.


Let me guess. You agree with him.

Guess i was right when i said:

Then you got the fake profiles posting 'facebook memes' that fuel that xenophobia and spread false information on the position of democrats.
fpot
Posts: 26673
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

hey guys the white supremacist mass murderer said in his manifesto that its fake news trump is to blame so i guess that means its fake news that trump is to blame and trump isnt to blame. sending thoughts and prayers.

he also believes the Democrats are bent on importing millions of Latinos to flip Texas and other southern states to Democrat.
Which is one of the lies trump promotes and has been previously identified as potentially dangerous. Guess that one lived up to its potential.
infi
Posts: 24386
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

I don't agree with him, there are plenty of Latinos for Trump.
Vash
Posts: 6092
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hey guys the white supremacist mass murderer said in his manifesto that its fake news trump is to blame so i guess that means its fake news that trump is to blame and trump isnt to blame. sending thoughts and prayers.


It's incredible isnt it that he felt the need to state that. As some kind of protection for his dear leader.

The shooter also liked a photo on twitter of guns positioned to name Trump.

https://i.imgur.com/aRuFicL.jpg
PornoPete
Posts: 3633
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

Really important to make you point scoring as vulgar as possible guys.

hey guys the white supremacist mass murderer said in his manifesto that its fake news trump is to blame so i guess that means its fake news that trump is to blame and trump isnt to blame. sending thoughts and prayers.


It's funny how closely that aligns with

There will be more and more. Tell me again how liberals are crazy and that antifa should be a designated a domestic terrorist organisation.


Tell me again how this is something you care about after you've done antifa and Islam chums.
Vash
Posts: 6093
Location:

PP is suddenly concerned about vulgar comments.

Again, Antifa mass shootings = 0.
Islam, also right wing terrorism as its generally committed by the very conservative arm of the ideology.

Its sad how you much guys just dont want to face reality.
PornoPete
Posts: 3634
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

No vash I said keep your point scoring as vulgar as possible. Your interest in "right wing terrorism" is as transparent as your idiocy.

People are being radicalised in the U.S recently due to xenophobic rhetoric. It's easy to see why with some of the delusional beliefs they start developing, and its becoming more common in supporters of Trump.
Islam, also right wing terrorism as its generally committed by the very conservative arm of the ideology.


You reckon Trump radicalised them?
Again, Antifa mass shootings = 0.


If you don't count mass shooting Congress members and attempting to firebomb immigration centres antifa have committed no mass shootings.
Its sad how you much guys just dont want to face reality.


It's like a singularity of projection.
fpot
Posts: 26674
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

trump would be very happy with these white supremacist attacks but what would make him really happy is if one of the team would take out one of those loud mouth black women.
PornoPete
Posts: 3635
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

The walls are closing in now. Fpot is calling Trump. Wait for it. A white supremacist.

Maybe the Russians will come too.
jum
Posts: 702
Location: Queensland
fpot just _knows_ that trump is happy about mass shootings, just like he _knows_ that infi is incompetent at his job and hates brown people, just like he _knows_ that every new user who disagrees with him is actually some old poster who probably hasn't visited this site in years

casual observers might think these seem like paranoid delusions, symptomatic of some sort of latent mental illness - but those people would be wrong. and bigots. they are simply incapable of perceiving the world in the same as way as a man as smart and educated as fpot.

maybe next time phooks gets drunk and stops by to remind us how sexist and racist we all are he can give us his valuable professional opinion on this matter
Phooks
Posts: 3395
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Ahhahahaha. So glad you posted that jum because it is perfect timing for me to hop into this thread to post exactly that. But don't just take my word for it

https://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2019/08/statement-shootings?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=apa-press-release&utm_content=shooting-statement-aug4&fbclid=IwAR3T23rZVI4178iAsnO1R3UbaScbtF5UD_K1iHPFkOc0x8uGCtZotWEVGdM



Routinely blaming mass shootings on mental illness is unfounded and stigmatizing. Research has shown that only a very small percentage of violent acts are committed by people who are diagnosed with, or in treatment for, mental illness. The rates of mental illness are roughly the same around the world, yet other countries are not experiencing these traumatic events as often as we face them. One critical factor is access to, and the lethality of, the weapons that are being used in these crimes. Adding racism, intolerance and bigotry to the mix is a recipe for disaster. 


Muh freedoms
dazedandconfused
Posts: 740
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

Then you got the fake profiles posting 'facebook memes' that fuel that xenophobia and spread false information on the position of democrats.


This is coming from the guy who thinks the position of every Trump supporter is that of the Hitler youth.

The position of the Democrats is clear. Obama is now right wing according to the majority of the Democratic Presidential candidates and they also think that illegals should be given free health care.

In short, the left is a joke, you are a joke and I can't wait for the shrieking after the next election given you've already got it set to 10.
Phooks
Posts: 3396
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

illegals should be given free health care


Aka basic human rights?

Right wingers with negative stereotypes about ILLEGALS? Say it isn't so
infi
Posts: 24387
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Don't forget aborting partly born children and turning every major metropolis into a rat, s*** and needle-infested dumpster fire.
Vash
Posts: 6094
Location:

They'll use the excuse we should look after our own first, Phooks. But thats already in the plan.
Divide & Conquer. White supremacy is in the DNA of conservatives. Some just hide it better than others.

And now in the face of two shootings within a day of each other, they go straight to saying we need our guns to protect ourselves from the Government.

It's like a singularity of projection.


And this guy makes a shadow account because he can't stand being ignored. Also stating 'look at antifa & islam' before looking at how many are dying at the hands of their ideology.
Singularity of projection, indeed.

Edit:
Also it appears the Ohio shooter was a Socialist and Warren fan. Proof the President is dividing both sides.
The left is pushing for gun control & kicking out a leader who is fanning the flames. Conservatives think its 'mental illness'
Fox news even tried to link these to ISIS.
PornoPete
Posts: 3636
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

And this guy makes a shadow account because he can't stand being ignored.


That would be the projection we talked about.

Also it appears the Ohio shooter was a Socialist and Warren fan. Proof the President is dividing both sides.


So Trump is inciting "right wing terrorism", Islamic terrorism and "antifa terrorism". It's almost like you're fundamentally unserious on this issue, hence I don't get too concerned when morons such as yourself start wailing that the sky is falling.

Its sad how you much guys just dont want to face reality.


Keep on pluggin little fella.
infi
Posts: 24388
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Also it appears the Ohio shooter was a Socialist and Warren fan. Proof the President is dividing both sides.


so if it's a white supremacist shooter, it's trump's fault.
if it's a socialist Warren supporter, it's trump's fault.
cool, thanks
Vash
Posts: 6095
Location:



so if it's a white supremacist shooter, it's trump's fault.
if it's a socialist Warren supporter, it's trump's fault.
cool, thanks


Correct.
Would you call America in a great state at the moment? Things have only become worse since he's been elected. Unless the DOW is all you care about.
Divided states of America at this point.
Phooks
Posts: 3397
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

turning every major metropolis into a rat, s*** and needle-infested dumpster fire.


Hate + guns = mass shootings

The only reason Aus doesn't have similar attacks is because people like you don't have easy access to firearms.
infi
Posts: 24389
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

The only reason Aus doesn't have similar attacks is because people like you don't have easy access to firearms.


dial it up to 11 why don't you...
fpot
Posts: 26676
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

Man you always know your plumbing the depths when jum slithers in and spews his raw, unfiltered dumb everywhere.

so if it's a white supremacist shooter, it's trump's fault.
if it's a socialist Warren supporter, it's trump's fault.
cool, thanks
Pretty much. This is what I was referring to when I said you trump children are going to be left holding the bag. trump is an overwhelming force of bad, and when all this bad s*** happens people are going to be looking at you and wondering how you could have ever been so dumb to support him in the first place.

Don't blame others for putting yourself all in on a hand that was always going to be a loser, friendo.
Vash
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Location:

But he's a winner, fpot. So much winning.
Theres been no impeachment or indictment.

That's all they can come up with. No analysis of a situation, or what should happen to someone with evidence of crimes that should lead to indictment.

Just keep chanting winning. It's a self soothing method.
infi
Posts: 24390
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

It sounds like you are painting mass shooters as victims of Trump. Zero personal responsibility.
fpot
Posts: 26678
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

The mass shooter isn't the victim of trump, the people shot by them are.
infi
Posts: 24391
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

so if it's a white supremacist shooter, it's trump's fault.
if it's a socialist Warren supporter, it's trump's fault.

Pretty much.
Vash
Posts: 6097
Location:

Zero personal responsibility.


Speaking of taking zero responsibility,
Fox is now blaming video games. Mental illness. ISIS.
Someone being interviewed said 'I cant say it' in regard to calling the shooter a terrorist. as it would go against the propaganda talking points of the network.
Another person started saying the shooter was a 'white supremacist' before the anchor cut in very quickly to stop that line of talk.

A previous MAGA bomber's lawyer said he was radicalized by Fox news.

Look at the thinking style in Infi. Its not even that far off the style of the mass shooters. Conspiracy, deep state thinking that is turning people into killers. On the donald, they're even saying 'Leftists want us all dead' and that these shootings are false flags. They're absolutely deranged.

For the rare occurance of a leftist terrorist attack, it's likely caused by the hopelessness of the situation that Republicans wont address.
fpot
Posts: 26679
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

Don't blame others for putting yourself all in on a hand that was always going to be a loser, friendo.
PornoPete
Posts: 3637
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

If you needed any further proof of the reality of TDS.

There is no form of evil Trump isn't a priori guilty of.
Vash
Posts: 6098
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If you needed any further proof of the reality of TDS.

There is no form of evil Trump isn't a priori guilty of.


Produce a coherent thought anytime soon ;)
PornoPete
Posts: 3638
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

After you implement really real communism.
Nmag
Posts: 1192
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

fpot buys into this news about Trump causing white people to go shooting non-whites. I don't think Trump wants anyone shooting anyone. The left will twist anything they can to hate on Trump and TDS sufferers gobble it up with nodding hatred because behind their benevolent exterior is an entitled selfish greedy soul just wanting to see a wealthy person suffer cause "They deserve it". We saw that from some of Vash's contribution fairly recently.

Some of the more level headed stuff I read today was about how far left and far right is the issue. People need to be a little more centred it said, Being far left encourages far rights. Some people might like to vote as far right as they can because they can't stand the far left and visa versa. fpots' answer "but the far left is the correct way!!! Just check out my list of successful marxist nations."

Extremists are the issue here fpot, and franky.. you appear to be one.

When you planning to throw some eggs at a polly fpot?

I think we already confirmed Vash takes to the streets with placards.
Vash
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Yes, the far left is the correct way to tackle modern issues. 50% of jobs predicted to be lost to automation. the far right has no answer to that, nor many other issues. maintain the status quo until collapse is basically their motto.

Mark Twain, Einstein, Oscar Wilde, Bertrand Russell, George Orwell, Martin Luther King, Zizek, Chomsky, Stephen Hawking and more.
The intellectuals that supported Socialism & eventual Communism. Despite the failure of authoritarian & fascist versions of it.

What does the right have? Shapiro?

PP will enjoy its eventuality im sure.
fpot
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Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

There is currently no mainstream left-wing political movement in the USA, or Australia for that matter, that even comes close to how far right the trump administration is. There is a reason left-wing extremists are throwing eggs and milkshakes and right-wing extremists are killing dozens of people - because the left-wing ones aren't extreme. The Democrats/Greens are the REAL extremists is just another absurd falsehood that is only still alive because the already giant pool of absurd falsehoods are able to sustain it.
infi
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Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Imagine if there was a left-wing organisation that supported
- open borders
- free health care for illegal immigrants
- assisting illegal immigrants in avoiding deportation
- abolition of border control authorities
- late-term and post-birth abortion
- immediate widescale restriction on the use of fossil fuels
- disowned many of its own centrist policies from 5 years ago.

That organisation exists in the USA today.

Is there an allegation that any killing has been conducted by a right-wing organisation? I am not aware of any allegation.
Vash
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That organisation exists in the USA today.

Is there an allegation that any killing has been conducted by a right-wing organisation? I am not aware of any allegation.


Oh boy.

- open borders.


Show me who supports this.

- free health care fo illegal immigrants
tell me the problem with this.

- late-term and post-birth abortion


Tell me the problem with this, and who supports post birth abortion.
'Reasons for late terminations of pregnancy include when a pregnant woman's health is at risk or when lethal fetal abnormalities have been detected'

- immediate widescale restriction on the use of fossil fuels


sounds great

- disowned many of its own centrist policies from 5 years ago.


progress
fpot
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Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

Open borders is a lie. Rest seems like SOP when encountering a rogue, out of control white nationalist party while also dealing with some of the realities life has to offer, like climate change. Everything you think you know about the democrats position on abortion is probably bulls*** that's been fed to you.

Organisation for trump inspired attacks is reported to be done on certain social media websites such as Gab and 8chan. Gab are currently begging for attention for their s***ty services on twitter after being deplatformed and 8chan have been taken offline by Cloudfare today I believe. There'll be some tight clutching of My Little Pony plushies tonight over that one.
PornoPete
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Location: Melbourne, Victoria

Mark Twain, Einstein, Oscar Wilde, Bertrand Russell, George Orwell, Martin Luther King, Zizek, Chomsky, Stephen Hawking and more.
The intellectuals that supported Socialism & eventual Communism

Always entertaining to watch vash list authors he hasn't read.

Especially satisfying to watch illiterate moron socialists invoke berty and Orwell.
Vash
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Poor PP.
Still accusing people of not reading things he clearly never has. Including the Mueller report, Orwell and the Communist manifesto.
Surely Orwell can't support Socialism because he criticized it in his books right? That proves alone you don't read enough. It sure makes sense based on what you post.
Rukh
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Virginia Governor about post-birth abortion.
fpot
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Interesting choice of website to link to there. So basically in extreme cases and with the consent of the mother and a physician a post-birth abortion could occur. This would have to be an extreme condition not picked up in prenatal care. Would it be fair to say that is an unlikely scenario?

But I noticed one of the questions made a point of mentioning mental health. They're trying to paint a picture of a mother, literally during birth, saying I don't want this my mental health is at stake, a physician concurring and deciding that the best course of action is to then kill a perfectly healthy baby. A reasonable person would assume a trained physician will not concur. They'll be thinking that the mother is in a heightened emotional state and not thinking straight. Or even if they are, adoption may be an... option. Would it be fair to say that a physician euthanizing a perfectly healthy, freshly born baby because mum said s*** this is going to be a bit rough is a completely dishonest strawman designed only to get the frothiest of chuds in a frenzied lather?

That would be you, infi.
infi
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Would it be fair to say that a physician euthanizing a perfectly healthy, freshly born baby because mum said s*** this is going to be a bit rough is a completely dishonest strawman


that has not at any stage been suggested - please don't go losing your mind for the dozenth time in 5 days. but the former situation you have put no matter how tragic is completely f***ed up that it could be considered legal to conduct.
PornoPete
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Location: Melbourne, Victoria

Naw vash is copying me again. You still haven't read the communist manifesto have you?
Surely Orwell can't support Socialism because he criticized it in his books right? That proves alone you don't read enough. It sure makes sense based on what you post.


I can understand why you don't understand what I post. The reason it's enjoyable watching morons like you talk about Orwell is that he specifically identified morons like you as responsible for the lack socialism's progress.

Please tell us more about how you want to live in a commune outside Byron and have stopped eating meat to save the planet.

In addition to this there is the horrible the really disquieting prevalence of cranks wherever Socialists are gathered together. One sometimes gets the impression that the mere words ’Socialism’ and ’Communism’ draw towards them with magnetic force every fruit-juice drinker, nudist, sandal-wearer, sex-maniac, Quaker, ’Nature Cure’ quack, pacifist, and feminist in England. One day this summer I was riding through Letchworth when the bus stopped and two dreadful-looking old men got on to it. They were both about sixty, both very short, pink, and chubby, and both hatless. One of them was obscenely bald, the other had long grey hair bobbed in the Lloyd George style. They were dressed in pistachio-coloured shirts and khaki shorts into which their huge bottoms were crammed so tightly that you could study ev-
ery dimple. Their appearance created a mild stir of horror on top of the bus. The man next to me, a commercial traveller I should say, glanced at me, at them, and back again at me, and murmured ’Socialists’, as who should say, ’Red Indians’. He was probably right–the I.L.P. were holding their summer school at Letchworth. But the point is that to him, as an ordinary man, a crank meant a Socialist and a Socialist meant a crank. Any Socialist, he probably felt, could be counted on to have something eccentric about him. And some such notion seems to exist
even among Socialists themselves. For instance, I have here a prospectus from another summer school which states its terms per week and then asks me to say ’whether my diet is ordinary or vegetarian’. They take it for granted, you see, that it is necessary to ask this question. This kind of thing is by itself sufficient to alienate plenty of decent people


A man of unusually sharp perception that Orwell.
fpot
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It was being suggested by the person asking that question in the link Rukh posted you f***ing simpleton. Either that or by whoever edited the article.

How do the tragedy levels rate if they aren't allowed to abort and don't due to fear of jail time on a deformed birth and both the mother and baby die? Do you agree that the government should have the power to take that decision out of an expert's hands, an expert who is right there witnessing the even happen, because it gives you the oogies?

Because that's the reason the law exists. To save lives in extreme cases like the one I described. It's a tough decision and there's plenty of potential for it to be f***ed up but that's why we have these trained people out there. They've got the best chance of getting it right.
Rukh
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The website was one of the first from a Google search. I've seen the topic raised in a few places recently however. Shrug.

I'm pro-choice. Though I draw the line I guess at letting a baby that would be able to survive after it's delivered die just because the mother doesn't want it.
Vash
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First you need to make a post worth thinking about, PP. As yet, none have reached that point.

Orwell was sharp indeed. Certainly beyond your scope of understanding.
PornoPete
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You are just adorable when you try to act smart. Because you always end up saying the equivalent of "I know you are you said you are".

It really is precious. Mandatory to wear khakis in Byron isn't it?
Orwell was sharp indeed. Certainly beyond your scope of understanding.


I mean they say never meet your heroes. I guess in this case it's never read your heroes too (or read at all for that matter).
Spook
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trumps trade sactions with JYNA seem to be going well.

wait, no, the other thing.
infi
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Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Trump is applying tariffs against China which China has already applied against the US. As can be seen from the table, China is a high tariff country. China devaluing the yuan will hurt US exports to China, but manipulating their currency goes to show how stubborn China is in relation to US's two main grievances: high tariffs and theft of intellectual property. Trump is 100% correct to confront China on these issues.
Spook
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tell that to my share prices
infi
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Location: Brisbane, Queensland

i feel your pain, i own fortescue
Vash
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Trump's effects on the share market maybe the only thing that makes Infi turn against him.
infi
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Location: Brisbane, Queensland

"be greedy when others are fearful." Warren Buffett.

Trump is Making America Great Again, Chinas is riding dirty.
Vash
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Trump is Making America Great Again, Chinas is riding dirty.


Who woulda thunk the Commies would be better at Capitalism than the Capitalists.
dazedandconfused
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Also it appears the Ohio shooter was a Socialist and Warren fan. Proof the President is dividing both sides.
The left is pushing for gun control & kicking out a leader who is fanning the flames. Conservatives think its 'mental illness'
Fox news even tried to link these to ISIS.


This is a truly special statement, even for Vash's standards.

Vash, you are quite literally rusted on to far leftism at this point. You and fpot. No one here has the same problem as you and fpot do in denouncing left/right wing terrorism. Nothing will help you. It's only a productive use of time to make fun of you.

Who woulda thunk the Commies would be better at Capitalism than the Capitalists.


Yeah what with their child sweatshops and 100 hour work weeks in order to compete on productivity and the like.

More utter garbage brain farts coming from Vash. It's the kind of retarded understanding of capitalism we've all come to expect though.
Nmag
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Location: Sydney, New South Wales


Hows the Green stance on nuclear power Vash and fpot?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-07/small-modular-reactors-nuclear-explained/11386856

Will it help stop Greenland melting or would nuclear power divide the Green vote and jeopardize the communism goals within the giant watermelon hiding behind environmental values?

I think I saw Vash referring to Orwell earlier. Did you understand Animal Farm when you read it Vash?

Can you see that in 1984 increased control of a population is necessary the bigger and more complex a population? The extreme other alternative is chaos. I notice that a fair bit of left wing news spruces "privacy threats". I find it appalling that we don't have photo ID on Medicare cards but I can have a photo on my drivers licence and even on my RSl club membership. When will we introduce microchipping at birth? I have nothing to hide.

It's also interesting that some of the more marxist nations appear to have more population surveillance and control than in capitalist societies.


Vash
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Yeah i watched a documentary on SMRs abit ago, Nmag. A blanket ban on Nuclear isn't good policy, but in Australia we don't need it.
I would like to see the Greens change their policy on it though.

Nmag, tell me why Orwell, being a Socialist, wrote Animal Farm?
You have to understand that decades of propaganda has rotted the meaning of Socialism, and is immediately associated with Stanilism, The Soviet Union and in general authoritarianism.
infi
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yeah it wasn't "real" socialism.
PornoPete
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I prefer "I can't believe it's not socialism"
Vash
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You forgot to say the Nazis were Socialist.
PornoPete
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Location: Melbourne, Victoria

Whatcha got goin' on under that manbun vash? Thinkin' about your pistachio khakis in Byron?
Vash
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What you got against khakis? real comfy. Pistachios are delicious too.
PornoPete
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What you got against khakis? real comfy. Pistachios are delicious too.


Not me vash. Not me. That guy beginning with O you've never read.
Vash
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Damn i've been slayed.
Orwell dislikes khaki and pistachio type Socialists. Guess i should throw out my philosophy.
infi
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Orwell wrote 2 books condemning Stalinist Socialism but still believed in the idea of socialism. The Utopia was just around the corner - 20m lives later we are still waiting.

Which country do you think will implement "real socialism" first Vash?
Vash
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Which country do you think will implement "real socialism" first Vash?


probably the US.
It's on a nice progressive push at the moment that has a far right nutter as a catalyst. Decades of neoliberalism tends to spawn a populist far-right nutter that causes a leftist uprising.
PornoPete
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Damn i've been slayed.
Orwell dislikes khaki and pistachio type Socialists. Guess i should throw out my philosophy.


Your philosophy. That's just so cute. You have been slayed. The fact you think his criticism is about pants is why you don't understand that you have been.

probably the US.
It's on a nice progressive push at the moment that has a far right nutter as a catalyst. Decades of neoliberalism tends to spawn a populist far-right nutter that causes a leftist uprising.


Bernie polling about 10% among democrats the squad polling worse. Tell us more about facing realty you gibbering moron.
Vash
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Yet PP made it about pants and pistachios.

'about' 10%. Try 2nd in lead behind Biden, and that polling shows Sanders would win vs Trump.
The squad is also polling higher than that of Trump.

Reality is looking sweet. But i won't put much faith in them winning with the huge weight that the ruling class have in controlling media, not to mention the facebook memes.
infi
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Grim reality.
Vash
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What's the grim reality, infi?
That the shooting wasnt politically motivated?
The difference is the El Paso shooter traveled all the way to Puerto Rico to target certain people and released a manifesto before hand.



Makes alot of sense for a supposed dumb bartender
PornoPete
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Yet PP made it about pants and pistachios.

Yes that's what I did.

about' 10%. Try 2nd in lead behind Biden, and that polling shows Sanders would win vs Trump.
The squad is also polling higher than that of Trump.


Hehe tell us more about facing reality. It really is amazing that you can have the stereotype literally pointed out to you and you'll happily go and immediately confirm it.

That the shooting wasnt politically motivated?


Yes it was.
dazedandconfused
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Makes alot of sense for a supposed dumb bartender


Also possible: you are more dumb than her and as such wouldn't know.

At this point though I think Vash is a troll account. No one can be this dense.

In other news:

Will Vash and fpot finally denounce left wing violence?

The absolute state of socialists (which as far as I can tell now make up 100% of the Democratic party base) in the USA:

infi
Posts: 24400
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Vash has already refused to denounce ANTIFA, don't waste your time.
Nmag
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Location: Sydney, New South Wales

The room in that video is rich in snow.
fpot
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Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

There's nothing happening on the left side of politics in the US to explain why a person would commit mass murder in their name. On the other hand, trump and other republicans incite violence regularly. It is completely reasonable to suggest that trump and co. are solely responsible for all domestic terrorism in the US right now. Now I know you all got your big sooky faces on after hearing that but don't fret, once you're already living dozens of lies it is simple to live another one. Just throw that one on the list.

What's really telling is how quickly you show your loyalties to white supremacy. The slightest slither of hope that the Democrats are responsible for some political violence and you jump all over it, desperate to hide the stink of your own bulls***. Completely ignoring the fact that there's no reasonable basis for thinking that way. Say this person liked cereal, and posted on a cereal forum. Would cereal be responsible for the mass shooting?

Defending trump is probably the stupidest thing you've all ever done. I know it sucks that you're in a position where all these terrible things can be legitimately linked to the big strong daddy figure you've decided to follow but you'll just have to live with it.
infi
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- who is pulling down statues?
- who is banning books?
- who is harassing people as they dine?
- who is going to people's private residences and harassing them?
- who is doxxing Trump supporters on national television?
- who is depicting people as "literally Hitler"?
- who is forming mobs to disrupt organised private events?
- who is enforcing the use of particular kinds of words?
- who is declaring individuals suitable to be punched in the face or milk-shaked or bike-locked?
- who is declaring large swathes of people as deplorable?
- who is refusiung the enforcement of enacted legislation?
- who is disrespecting law enforcement including impeding law enforcement from performance of their duties?
fpot
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Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

You have to understand, my position is that trump's administration is a rogue white nationalist one. Any form of protest that doesn't physically harm people in any sort of serious way is completely fine when faced with something like that. Some of those things you listed (statues, harassing nazis when they dine, going to nazis houses, doxxing nazis, calling them nazis, disrupting nazis, milkshaking nazis, calling nazis deplorable, refusing the enforcement of enacted legislation that is being misused by nazis and disrespecting nazis) are f***ing awesome. Can't really think of any significant books that were banned. Do you mean certain retailers decided not to sell them because to do so would affect their brand? And uhhh, 'enforcing the use of particular kinds of words', lol. You'd say that in defense of -

- literally destroying a country while inciting countless dangerous people to commit murder against people whose skin colour they don't like

See I only need one thing on my list. Your list was very adorable though and a very good try.
infi
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inciting someone to commit murder is a very serious allegation. it requires someone to say

- "you should murder that person"; or
- "the only way to solve our problem is to murder that person".

Insisting on immigration laws to be enforced and proposing that your national border have an impenetrable border is not that. It's just another example of Leftists losing their f***ing mind.
fpot
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It's a very serious allegation if I am say some sort of member of law enforcement and I hope to actually go through with a prosecution one day. Then I would probably make sure I had all my ducks in a row before accusing the potus of committing a crime. Like Mueller did.

But in case you haven't noticed, I am just some guy posting on an internet forum and those sort of legal requirements don't really apply. I am more than comfortable reading the potus' words, understanding the context and using my own judgement to decipher their meaning and intention. Not just his words, but words other members of his party speak as well. It's my uncontroversial opinion that trump's words have had a significant impact on the sharp increase of fatal white nationalist terrorism of late. Easier just to call it trump inspired terrorism. Are you sick of 'winning' yet?
PornoPete
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Entertaining to watch it squirm.

Also entertaining to watch the people most concerned about propaganda and dog whistles consistently and loudly parrot propaganda and dog whistles.

Freud really did stumble on something with projection.

literally destroying a country while inciting countless dangerous people to commit murder against people whose skin colour they don't like


At what point should we be concerned this something fpot is worried he will do.
infi
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probably the US.


I watched the 1 hour+ dem socialist stream the other night and by god it was painful. Jazz hands, sensory overload, anxiety, points of personal privilege, safe space. It was cartoonish.

If that is the Socialist next-generation brainstrust then capitalism in the USA is safe for the next 50 years at least.

I would have thought Australia is a good contender for socialism, we already have the buzzkill regulation, the surveillance, the all encompassing welfare system and suffocating tax rates.
fpot
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I watched the 1 hour+ dem socialist stream the other night and by god it was painful. Jazz hands, sensory overload, anxiety, points of personal privilege, safe space. It was cartoonish.
Why would you lie like that? That's about as believable as Nmag saying he watched an entire episode of Handmaid's Tale instead of just masturbating to the ceremony scenes. The reason is you want to create an image of a gleeful and savvy individual. Comfortable in the knowledge that you've backed the right horse and omg, aren't those dems just the worst with their... things? Everything's under control. This was all part of the plan. We're winning and trump is making America Great Again.
PornoPete
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Comfortable in the knowledge that you've backed the right horse and omg, aren't those dems just the worst with their... things?


See the projection... Replace dems with trump and reach the some depth of all of fpots criticism of trump.

In his world everyone thinks the way he does (or doesn't as the case maybe).
Vash
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Infi and co are only capable at looking surface level.
Antifa did this, people are doing that to the MAGA hat wearers.

The question is why? I'd hazard a guess it's because of these people's beliefs. There's only so much 'muh freedom' that should be provided as long as it's not impeding on other people's freedoms and safety.
You're scared of milk shakes and people destroying statues, but what about minorities being targetted by shooters and others? It's that little thing called empathy missing from people here & other right wingers.
PornoPete
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Location: Melbourne, Victoria

Infi and co are only capable at looking surface level.
Antifa did this, people are doing that to the MAGA hat wearers.


Type what you see vash.

You're scared of milk shakes and people destroying statues, but what about minorities being targetted by shooters and others? I


Literally 2 days after anitfa boy guns people down its been memory holed and antifa are just about milkshakes.

Must be nice to live with a memory that runs for less than 48 hours.
Vash
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On August 4, police and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) searched the shooter's home and found writings that showed interest in killing people, with a preliminary assessment of the writings indicating the shooter had no racial motive or political motive


It's convenient to blame Antifa for it isn't it?
infi
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Location: Brisbane, Queensland


In addition, a Twitter account that appears to belong to Betts retweeted extreme left-wing and anti-police posts, as well as tweets supporting Antifa, or anti-fascist, protesters.

The most recent tweet on the @iamthespookster account was on August 3, the day of the shooting, when he retweeted a post saying, "Millenials have a message for the Joe Biden generation: hurry up and die."

The user's Twitter bio reads: "he/him / anime fan / metalhead / leftist / I'm going to hell and I'm not coming back." One tweet used the hashtag #HailSatan.

The account retweeted messages supporting Sens. Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, as well as posts against ICE agents, including one that said, "these people are monsters," and multiple posts condemning police, and supporting Antifa protesters, who often use violent tactics.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/05/us/connor-betts-dayton-shooting-profile/index.html


Vash
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Infi links to CNN. What just happened?

The guy was a lefty yet he killed with no political motive.

Do you want to look at every murder or rape committed and link it to their political beliefs? There are clear political motivations in the El Paso shooter, but lets bury that one.
fpot
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Excellent work detective. But pick that microphone back up because now you're going to have to explain exactly what Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren have done or said that may have contributed to this person's line of thinking and actions.
infi
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Infi links to CNN. What just happened?


I wanted to link to the most extremist leftist news agency report available.

But his antifa-leftist beliefs had nothing to do with it. That only applies to right wing psychos ;)
Vash
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But his antifa-leftist beliefs had nothing to do with it. That only applies to right wing psychos ;)


For once you're right.
fpot
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Who do you think is more culpable for people adopting extremist left-wing views -

Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren (pick any mainstream left-wing politician if you want) who are regular politicians doing regular politician stuff, or

trump and his disinformation team who have been spewing forth lies and bigoted nonsense from the moment he announced himself as a candidate? DEMS MURDER BABIES!!!!!!!
PornoPete
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Location: Melbourne, Victoria

Who do you think is more culpable for people adopting extremist left-wing views -


That's a real thought expressed earnestly. Left wing extremists aren't responsible for their violence or their extremist beliefs because.... Wait for it.... They hate Trump.


The guy was a lefty yet he killed with no political motive.


Except for all his violent political rhetoric, his motives are a total mystery.
Vash
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How fake are all these photos & commercials showing how much Trump cares after visiting Dayton & El Paso.

https://www.newsweek.com/gop-states-senator-trump-hijacked-republican-party-1453055

Republican Nebraska state Senator John McCollister said he thinks that President Donald Trump has "hijacked" his party, voicing his fear for the country after GOP leaders condemned him for saying that the party had been "complicit" in racist activity and white supremacy.


PornoPete
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He cares more than you or fpot do. You two care because you empathetically think there are points to be scored.
Vash
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Precisely what someone without empathy would say. I vote accordingly. Do you?
PornoPete
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Type what you see vash.

Don't you worry about $blank I'll worry about $blank.

Make sure your mum cleans your khakis.
Vash
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Ah, i thought not.
dazedandconfused
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Location: Sydney, New South Wales

https://themindunleashed.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/2019-08-07-12_00_05-Mass-shootings-arent-growing-more-common-–-and-evidence-contradicts-common-ster.jpg

White Supremacists must also be black, Asian and native American if Vash and fpot's snowflake meltdowns are anything to go by.
infi
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those sort of facts are not helpful to the narrative.

Make sure your mum cleans your khakis.


and Che Guevara t-shirt
PornoPete
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Location: Melbourne, Victoria

i thought

Lies make baby Jesus cry vash.
fpot
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I'm looking at a graph that shows that the majority of mass shootings are committed by white people and I'm wondering what point you're trying to prove or whether you're agreeing with me.
PornoPete
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Look at the deep concern and definitely not hypocritical point scoring in fpots words.

But you know fpot is a whiteperson..
Vash
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Heh this guy thinks any criticism of him or his political beliefs is just going for points. Truly special.
fpot
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You don't need to go for points when they keep slam dunking it in their own net.
PornoPete
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No I just know very special people like you think right wing terrorism is a killer talking point and that's all it is to you.

I know this because you flat out state you need to be able to punch nazis. Entirely predictablly it didn't stay there, because it never does.
Vash
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Why does it offend you if nazis are getting punched out?

It's not too late to say you were wrong. You can come back from the hate & self loathing.
PornoPete
Posts: 3656
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

Why are you so comfortable with mass shooters if they spout antifa talking points?
infi
Posts: 24407
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Because the political beliefs and the decision to kill a lot of people are definitely unrelated, and more likely driven by Trump's white supremacy.
Vash
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Location:

Definitely unrelated. For it to be politically motivated he would have targeted nazis and white supremacists, which he didn't.

PornoPete
Posts: 3657
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

Definitely unrelated. For it to be politically motivated he would have targeted nazis and white supremacists, which he didn't.


So shooting at par for antifa then
Vash
Posts: 6123
Location:



6 million views in 2 days
Nmag
Posts: 1195
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

I see two graphs that tell me that Black and Asian mass shootings are high per capita, whilst hispanic/latino are very* low per capita.

* Which is pretty interesting.
dazedandconfused
Posts: 744
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

No surprise Vash is a fan of Bernie, given he is complete ideological retard.
infi
Posts: 24408
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Hey Bernie is one of the pigs who wears clothes and lives in a house. What a surprise!
Nmag
Posts: 1196
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

But that's not the socialism we want. The one we want is slightly different. It's perfect with pretty sparkles and it smells like unicorn poo. Just wait there and I'll find an example of where it worked properly...

3 years later...
infi
Posts: 24409
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

trust me if you elect me I will deliver the socialism where everyone has plenty of everything, and we lock the rich guys up in prison. - ;) - trust me

HOW GOOD IS SOCIALISM?!
infi
Posts: 24410
Location: Brisbane, Queensland


I think Joe has been reading this forum.

https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/joe-hildebrand-a-message-to-the-lost-tribes-of-the-left-wing/news-story/b98b09bf0124c55e07b1eefe86e7ca02


Vash
Posts: 6124
Location:

So what's the more likely conspiracy theory at the moment with Epstein being killed?
Clinton sent in some goons or the Trump Barr DOJ running the prison sent in their goons?

Or both.
fpot
Posts: 26695
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

I'm kind of curious on the method he used to kill himself. Apparently he was found on the floor of his cell.
fpot
Posts: 26696
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

I think it's pretty cool though that the president of the united states of america is posting a baseless conspiracy theory accusing another president of the united states of america of murder though. Cool and normal.
infi
Posts: 24411
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

posting conspiracies is the norm now. just ask the fake news!
fpot
Posts: 26697
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

^ a well trained little doggy.
dazedandconfused
Posts: 745
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

^ a guy who has probably the greatest conniption ever captured on Ausgamers forums about apparent little doggy. You know what they say about projection dude. Antifa and CNN trained you better
fpot
Posts: 26698
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

ahhh dude. You're just such a little turd. There's only one way someone gets to be the way you are and that's extended periods of social isolation. Normal people like me who interact with other people get to test their opinions and ideas out with their peers. It helps to keep you grounded in reality and to think objectively about things. When you're someone like you, someone who is rejected and despised by your peers you don't have your thoughts challenged. You're basically ignored by everyone. That's why you seek refuge on the internet with other people of your ilk and become this really wretched example of humanity. Just a complete and utter failure as a person on every single level.
infi
Posts: 24412
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

LMAO^ that is awesome
hardware
Posts: 11831
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Normal people like me
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dazedandconfused
Posts: 746
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

You're just such a little turd.
You're basically ignored by everyone.


Yet you write text walls about me and infi and are up to 26.5k post count. No one believes you except Vash. So your crew consists of you, the crazy schizophrenic shouting street hobo and a neckbeard communist. You're nearly your own meme.
Spook
Posts: 41376
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
lolz, 26.5k post count!?

WHAT A ROOKIE
infi
Posts: 24414
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Vash how do you rate the Chinese Communist Party these days?
Vash
Posts: 6125
Location:

They're playing the Capitalist game. And quite well. They're basically toying with Trump, they can do more damage to the U.S than the U.S can to China with this trade war.
Nmag
Posts: 1197
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

ahhh dude. You're just such a little turd. There's only one way someone gets to be the way you are and that's extended periods of social isolation. Normal people like me who interact with other people get to test their opinions and ideas out with their peers. It helps to keep you grounded in reality and to think objectively about things. When you're someone like you, someone who is rejected and despised by your peers you don't have your thoughts challenged. You're basically ignored by everyone. That's why you seek refuge on the internet with other people of your ilk and become this really wretched example of humanity. Just a complete and utter failure as a person on every single level.


fpot, this depressed and angry Monday post thing is becoming regular.
Nmag
Posts: 1198
Location: Sydney, New South Wales


We going to build a wall around Sydney and Melbourne.

Five Melbourne and Sydney suburbs grew at more than six times the national average over the past decade, pumping residents into the inner-city, north-west and western suburbs of both cities, amid claims the federal government's plan to push more migrants to the regions is doomed to fail.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/melbourne-and-sydney-suburbs-at-tipping-point-as-population-soars-20190815-p52hiv.html


fpot
Posts: 26701
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

The Great Replacement.
dazedandconfused
Posts: 747
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

You're safe in the Gold Coast fpot no immigrants want to get gang bashed, mugged or raped so they'll keep to the capitals.
fpot
Posts: 26702
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

I guess there mustn't be a GC brony chapter otherwise you would have moved here? Brohoof!
Sir Redhat
Posts: 2320
Location: Sydney, New South Wales


Climate change is fine because the browns can come pick the fruit.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-17/fiji-slams-australia-deputy-pm-for-climate-forum-fruit-comment/11424444


Spook
Posts: 41378
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
what a thinker!
PornoPete
Posts: 3658
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

what a thinker!


We can't all be a political wizard like Chris "if you don't like us don't vote for us" Bowen.
infi
Posts: 24417
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Be careful what you wish for, you might just get it Chris.

I like how Pacific Islands complain about Australia's coal use but they also take foreign aid and provide military harbour to China.... Screw those guys.
PornoPete
Posts: 3659
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

Well what the fijians should do is get some real thinkers on the case. For example they should definitely get a bunch of fat rich hippy baby boomers from Sydney and Melbourne to take a caravan trip to Gladstone to tell the locals what giant c***s they are. With their great big brains.
Nmag
Posts: 1199
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

Tomorrow is Monday. fpot is likely to have another breakdown on Monday.
dazedandconfused
Posts: 748
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

https://scontent.fsyd3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/69348213_2384531441760431_76761231767109632_o.jpg?_nc_cat=101&amp;_nc_oc=AQmp1IQhaoYXkCue0dGQNREwKcgn609WdB_p9mYR3JguZHSSPZ3lf2BsaCIzaeGCuvA&amp;_nc_ht=scontent.fsyd3-1.fna&amp;oh=4f70b930d68b94ef1f8c2a38944692e7&amp;oe=5DD6CF12

I think socialists are genuinely handicapped.
Nmag
Posts: 1200
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

Is this terrorism? Seems like terrorism.

Climate activists linked to the group Extinction Rebellion have caused traffic chaos during a series of protests in Brisbane's CBD over the past two months. In some cases, protesters have glued themselves to roads to stop police from removing them. Ms Palaszczuk told Parliament the Police Commissioner last week showed her evidence of some of the tactics protesters were using to prevent themselves being removed from roads and railway lines, including "locking devices" laced with booby traps. "These protesters put their arms in steel cylinders and drums filled with concrete," Ms Palaszczuk said. "Inside these cylinders and drums are glass fragments — even butane gas containers — so that anyone trying to cut a protester free will be injured or worse.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-20/climate-protester-tactics-called-extremist-palaszczuk-government/11431336

Is this the type of 'climate action' that fpot and Vash support?

Que personal insult from fpot. We have dismissed the fantasy of an effective marxist system many times. It's fantasy. Even poor old Vash who references Orwell is aware of the walking animals who lived in the house. It's fantasy as human behaviour is competitive and we want to have more and better. It's what improves quality of life and renders marxist theory as an illogical nirvana.
infi
Posts: 24418
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Rules for Radicals endorses achieving political objectives by any means necessary. Violence, doxxing, mass civil distrubance, mobs, property destruction, blackmail, corruption, hacking. Nothing is off limits to liberal activists.
fpot
Posts: 26703
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

One of these days someone will take something I've actually said, a stance I've actually taken, and argue against that instead of making them up for me and arguing against those.

Setting up booby traps is really dumb and dangerous, so no, I don't support it. You're a really dumb piece of s*** Nmag.
PornoPete
Posts: 3660
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

Naw the little boy who called racist is upset about strawmxn.

Did we hurt its little feelings..
Vash
Posts: 6126
Location:

Rules for Radicals endorses achieving political objectives by any means necessary. Violence, doxxing, mass civil distrubance, mobs, property destruction, blackmail, corruption, hacking. Nothing is off limits to liberal activists.


Hmm, almost all those things are happening and committed by Republicans, perhaps in greater numbers. White nationalist terrorism is a thing and a growing problem more so than liberal activism or terrorism.
Especially when the narrative hasn't ceased after the latest political shooting, and that's probably going to trigger more far-right crazies somewhere to do something stupid.
dazedandconfused
Posts: 749
Location: Sydney, New South Wales



Hmm, almost all those things are happening and committed by Republicans, perhaps in greater numbers. White nationalist terrorism is a thing and a growing problem more so than liberal activism or terrorism.
Especially when the narrative hasn't ceased after the latest political shooting, and that's probably going to trigger more far-right crazies somewhere to do something stupid.


"perhaps"
"that's probably going to"

Rock solid post, as usual.

Whataboutism is ok if it's Vash doing it. You can't even universally condemn terrorism because you're so unbelievably balls-deep in your Buzzfeed world view that anything other than full devotion to propagandising right wing terrorism at the expense of reality is, to you, an absolutely unacceptable and unbearable betrayal of your ideology.
Vash
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What is the reality dazed? That there is no increased trend with leftist terrorism?
We can really try to scrape the bottom of the barrel by pointing out that that a guy who had access to guns, with links to antifa, and had a s***ty upbringing is terrorism. Or a guy who killed noone but himself at a stadium.
Or people setting booby traps protesting a real issue thats being ignored.

The root cause of all this s*** might be your ideology.
PornoPete
Posts: 3661
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

We can really try to scrape the bottom of the barrel by pointing out that that a guy who had access to guns, with links to antifa, and had a s***ty upbringing is terrorism.


You mean that guy who couldn't shut the f*** up about real socialism
The root cause of all this s*** might be your ideology.


It was an assault milkshake so it doesn't count
Spook
Posts: 41379
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
enjoying trumps adult response to not getting what he wanted (greenland).
fpot
Posts: 26704
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

He is the Chosen One.
Nmag
Posts: 1201
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

I heard on the radio today he might buy Tasmania and call it "Trumpmania" LOL. Do people with two heads pay the same amount of income tax as people with one head? There's a lot of green activity down there. Why are hippies so lazy?

Liberals Are Turning Into Fascists, Says … Piers Morgan?
https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morrissey/2019/08/21/liberals-turning-fascists-says-piers-morgan/?

http://www.informationliberation.com/files/trump-supporters-attacked-compilation.jpg
infi
Posts: 24419
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

He is the Chosen One.


He is Neo of the Meme Matrix.
dazedandconfused
Posts: 750
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

Brain-dead Antifa cuck brings a gun to his daughter's school and promptly gets his head blown off.

Notice his t-shirt says "smash the patriarchy and chill".

Terrorist? Lone wolf? Or run-of-the-mill mentally ill liberal?
fpot
Posts: 26705
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

Geez you wouldn't happen to be cherry picking stories from over half a year ago there would you little buddy? It was related to a domestic dispute regarding custody of a child. You're really really bad at this :(
PornoPete
Posts: 3662
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

Speaking of cherry picking tell us about terrorism deaths since September 12 2001
infi
Posts: 24420
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

If you cherry pick it, it didn't happen.
fpot
Posts: 26706
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

It shows a kind of desperation to me to pick something so old and so irrelevant. Let's say I was as insecure about my position as you and dazed are about yours. I'd post about the multiple trump inspired mass shootings that were thwarted recently. I didn't because it would just be annoyingly labouring the point. Everyone knows trump inspired terrorism is at crisis levels. That's why the FBI specifically mentioned it recently. No need for me to mention it unless it is 15 murders or more I reckon.
PornoPete
Posts: 3663
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

Here comes the Freudian stage.

Meltdown in 3 2 1

How's impeachment coming along?? It'll happen just after true socialism I reckon
infi
Posts: 24421
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Trouble is, most Swedes aren’t in line with American socialists like Ms. Nixon, Sen. Bernie Sanders and Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. “All of their models that they could point to, given a couple of years, they end up in famine and killing,” Swedish author and historian Johan Norberg tells me. “So they always come back to Scandinavia in the end.” True, Sweden has a significant welfare state, but Mr. Norberg says it’s underpinned by “ruthless capitalism.”
WSJ ($)

Socialism results in famine and death. No s***.
Nmag
Posts: 1202
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

Here comes the Freudian stage.

Meltdown in 3 2 1

How's impeachment coming along?? It'll happen just after true socialism I reckon



He's got a meltdown booked for Monday and is likely busy with his crayons getting ready for the big pointless (but feel good) rally on the 20th September.
dazedandconfused
Posts: 751
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

Half a year ago is a long time in shouting street hobo world I guess.
Vash
Posts: 6128
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When in doubt bring up Socialism. Or the Nazis.
infi
Posts: 24422
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Like "Trump is literally Hitler." or "offshore detention is like a concentration camp."
PornoPete
Posts: 3664
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

When in doubt bring up Socialism. Or the Nazis.


Yeah the Godwins law boat may have sailed when you spent the last three years trying to punch them little fella.
Vash
Posts: 6129
Location:

Good to know PP knows some laws. Should watch the Mueller testimony again ;)
PornoPete
Posts: 3665
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

You mean the part that didn't justify impeachment (all of it). it followed on from the report which didn't justify impeachment. the one you and fpot didn't read.
Nmag
Posts: 1203
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

Vash will you be supporting your children taking the day off school to protest on 20 Sep? I'm still trying to work out if our local SJW public service teachers are planning to disrupt our kids education with this self righteous social disruption. I plan to take the day off and take the kids out of school if their school is planning to participate.
Vash
Posts: 6130
Location:



Interesting.

Next up on the feed: hows impeachment going? Or you didnt read it. It's nice and safe s***posting.
dazedandconfused
Posts: 752
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

Stand back, Vash has posted a video with soundbites from a pencil neck derived from CNN articles. How will Trump ever recover (this time)?
infi
Posts: 24423
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Did Obama warn of Russian hacking in the US election? No they waited until after Hillary lost.

Obama was absolutely useless. On geopolitics he was about as useless as Justin Trudeau. He could have frozen Russia's access to the global banking system but just closed some embassies.

I am more interested in how President Obama approved surveillance of a US Presidential campaign. Seems to be no biggie though.
PornoPete
Posts: 3666
Location: Melbourne, Victoria


Next up on the feed: hows impeachment going? Or you didnt read it. It's nice and safe s***posting.


Well it's funny how you guys are super worried about propaganda, but you obviously have not read the primary documents you have such strong opinions on. As with literally every topic you've ever discussed in this thread.

For example, you guys started on the trump inspires right wing terrorism right after it became obvious impeachment is a dead end.

And its funny how nyt internal documents show that is the exact narrative they are trying to push now they know impeachment is over.

This is why yours and fpots posts are pure pure Freud.

So how's impeachment going?
Vash
Posts: 6131
Location:

What are all these words with no meaning? Its Obama, Socialism, wont be impeached.
Next talking point?
PornoPete
Posts: 3667
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

Would be more convincing if you weren't an automated talking point spewer.

Glad to see you accept impeachment isn't going to happen.

There are some Nazis right behind that mirror vash, quick better punch them.
fpot
Posts: 26709
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

The no impeachment is always a good self own. When you see someone gloating about that you know you've got a person who is willing to overlook a deeply incompetent, unfit to lead lifetime failure who helped a foreign superpower attack his own country and then committed crimes covering it up all in the hope that he'll one day be able to stop pretending he's anything more than a sadistic white supremacist/malignant narcissist and really start punishing those brown invaders polluting our pristine white culture.
PornoPete
Posts: 3668
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

Oh good
Fpot gives the cliffs notes version.

The thing that we said definitely did happen which didn't (russia) doesn't matter because racism literally Hitler etc.

Yeah we get it. you do don't have your own opinions.
Vash
Posts: 6132
Location:

Fpot theres a thought.
PP, Infis turn.

Try not to say the words socialism, antifa, hillary, obama or hasnt been impeached yet.

Edit: Damn should have included fpot's supposed explosions and hitler
infi
Posts: 24424
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Haha awesome. And to think we have another 5 years of this to enioy. Have you seen the opposition!? Glorious. Labor sunk in Australia, Tories have biggest lead in UK since last election and Democratic presidential contenders are all terrible.

Truly the best timeline.
fpot
Posts: 26710
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

That's one thing I can't really argue with. The opposition is weak, and for someone like you this must be a truly incredible time. I have bad news about how these sort of things end up, though.
PornoPete
Posts: 3669
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

The opposition is weak, and for someone like you this must be a truly incredible time.


Just to get that into context infi is a member of the LNP and labor have won one majority government since 1996.

How is this obviously totally foreign feeling infi? I mean if someone of fpots deep political knowledge says it...
Vash
Posts: 6133
Location:

Notice how PP only focuses on who won rather than the details of what makes them terrible?
fpot
Posts: 26711
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

That's because the terrible things about the people he frantically defends are the same things that make him terrible.
infi
Posts: 24425
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Hey if it's horrible to be free from economic socialism, then I guess Australians are horrible.

Finance Minister Mathias Cormann says Labor lost the last election because it embraced socialist economics, including a false assertion that Australia had a major and growing inequality problem.

In a speech on Tuesday night to the Sydney Institute, Senator Cormann said the economic approach had cost Labor dearly at the past four elections.

Its refusal thus far to dump the policy agenda it took to last year's election showed it had failed to heed that lesson too.
AFR ($)
fpot
Posts: 26712
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

Acknowledging certain realities exist and forming plans to address those realities is bad economic policy and should be discouraged if you wish to win elections is a cool and normal thing to believe and I'm glad you're so happy about it. Let those true colours shine. Also some f*** the poors for old times sake. Always has to be that element of f*** you got mine or you just can't get hard can you infi?
PornoPete
Posts: 3670
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

Notice how PP only focuses on who won rather than the details of what makes them terrible?


It's difficult to capture the full extent of the stupid in mere words in that sentence. winning in this case meaning winning free and fair elections.

Notice how when they fail to convince the electorate in this case for nearly 25 straight years it's the electorate's fault for voting for "terrible" parties.

For example
Also some f*** the poors for old times sake. Always has to be that element of f*** you got mine or you just can't get hard can you infi?


Yep the party that's won all but 6 years in the last 25 did it on a policy of "f*** the poor".

Strange how labor struggles to attract the "poor" vote.
infi
Posts: 24426
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Always has to be that element of f*** you got mine or you just can't get hard can you infi?


Are you accusing the majority of Australia of that?

I always enjoy the rich irony of accusing someone who wants to keep what they earned, or who wants to earn more through their work as "greedy" and branding someone who wants to receive someone else's earnings "deserving". Keep it up! It's working.
fpot
Posts: 26713
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

I reckon about 95% of voting age Australia would be selfish, including me. A large portion of that 95% have the ability to critically think and suspend their selfishness to make an informed and balanced choice when casting a vote. The rest are spoiled little brats who are dumb as s*** and only consider themselves in every situation no matter what. Guess which one you are?

edit: oh and I guess the usual mix of mindless drones who consider nothing and just vote Liberal/One Nation or whatever f***face party is currently telling the best lies. You're that guy too.
Vash
Posts: 6134
Location:


There's such a thing as people voting against their interests.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-human-beast/201903/why-do-some-poor-people-vote-against-their-interests
psychology is fun


PornoPete
Posts: 3671
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

Yep the majority of people have been systematically voting against their own interests for nearly three decades. that's it. thats the explanation.

Who knew it could go down hill from "caring about winning elections" in the stupid stakes?

A large portion of that 95% have the ability to critically think and suspend their selfishness to make an informed and balanced choice when casting a vote


Yep and most of vote the same way infi does. Brilliant analysis o_0.
Vash
Posts: 6135
Location:

Yep the majority of people have been systematically voting against their own interests for nearly three decades. that's it. thats the explanation.


Nailed it.
PornoPete
Posts: 3672
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

Nailed it.


Really dumb people don't know they are dumb capitan krugger. For example a greens voter worried someone else is voting against their own interests.

Psychology is fun.
dazedandconfused
Posts: 753
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

The no impeachment is always a good self own. When you see someone gloating about that you know you've got a person who is willing to overlook a deeply incompetent, unfit to lead lifetime failure who helped a foreign superpower attack his own country and then committed crimes covering it up all in the hope that he'll one day be able to stop pretending he's anything more than a sadistic white supremacist/malignant narcissist and really start punishing those brown invaders polluting our pristine white culture.


fpot: Arguing facts is a self-own.

Also fpot: Arguing from emotion and rhetoric whilst stating no facts whatsoever is definitely not a self-own.

This is why you should just make fun of Vash and fpot because they value what makes them feel righteous. Punch "Nazis", wish harm on infi. All the stuff that definitely-not-authoritarians like.
Vash
Posts: 6136
Location:


Psychology again for dazed

https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/mind-in-the-machine/201812/complete-psychological-analysis-trumps-support

looks like right wingers enjoy authoritarianism more than leftys.

As ive said before, why does punching Nazis offend you?


infi
Posts: 24427
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Someone should send that article to the millions of people who starved and were executed under communist governments
PornoPete
Posts: 3673
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

looks like right wingers enjoy authoritarianism more than leftys.

As ive said before, why does punching Nazis offend you?


Speaking of self owns.
Vash
Posts: 6137
Location:

https://i.imgur.com/uukuZJB.jpg

apparently Capitalism doesnt cause deaths.
PornoPete
Posts: 3674
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

Hey look vash made up some numbers. take that fascists.
infi
Posts: 24428
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

2 GAZILLION MURDERED BY EXCHANGE OF GOODS AND SERVICES FOR MUTUAL GAIN. LITERALLY
Vash
Posts: 6138
Location:

Well i suppose 2 billion murdered is some kind of exchange of good & services in the eyes of the US. But usually the exchange isnt mutual.
PornoPete
Posts: 3675
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

Still haven't read the Communist manifesto have you pistachio boy. make sure you get mummy to wash your khakis.
Vash
Posts: 6139
Location:

Damn i haven't read a certain thing again, and whats wrong with mum cleaning my khakis? This is why we cant have nice things.
PornoPete
Posts: 3676
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

It's ok vash. I'm just quoting socialist authors to you. it is understandable you don't recognize them cause ya know ya don't read.

This is why we cant have nice things.

Your mum says something similar when she's washing out the s*** stains.
infi
Posts: 24429
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

This is why we can't have nice things


The tag line to every communist regime in history. But they weren't proper communism. Amirite?
Nmag
Posts: 1204
Location: Sydney, New South Wales


A north Queensland mayor says charities providing food and laundry services to homeless people are "enabling" them to "live a lifestyle" in public parks.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-28/homeless-parks-townsville-mayor-charity-feeding-laundry/11457834
Vash
Posts: 6140
Location:

Interesting how the non communists here enjoy talking about it but dont have the intellectual curiosity to learn about it.
PornoPete
Posts: 3677
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

Interesting how the non communists here enjoy talking about it but dont have the intellectual curiosity to learn about it.
Still haven't read the Communist manifesto have you pistachio boy.
Damn i haven't read a certain thing again,


Please tell us more about your brand of "intellectual curiousity".
Vash
Posts: 6141
Location:

Tell us what Communism is, PP. As its written.
dazedandconfused
Posts: 754
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

Recite the entire communist manifesto, PP, and please ignore every single practical application of it while you're at it.

Vash thinks everyone was born yesterday like he was.
Vash
Posts: 6142
Location:

No, i didn't say recite the entire manifesto. Just explain what it is.
PornoPete
Posts: 3678
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

Tell us what Communism is, PP. As its written.


The cliffs notes are its a spectre over Europe in which pisaticho jumper, s*** stained khaki wearing, economically illiterate (and generally illiterate apparently) morons shoot up Dayton, because everyone else is suffering from false consciousness. it frequently involves posting memes from r/latestagecaptalism as a substitute for intellectual engagement. most importantly it involves stating that wasn't true communism just after you faithfully implemented communism and staved a bunch of people to death. Ideally in forced labour camps.

It's ok if you don't recognize the language because you've intellectually curiously not read the primary documents.
Vash
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Ah, just what i expected. So much for intellectual curiosity.
PornoPete
Posts: 3679
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

You keep saying that phrase but I don't think it means what you think it means.
Vash
Posts: 6144
Location:

So whats the latest on Trump, PP, Infi? Been quiet on him recently.
infi
Posts: 24430
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

He's doing a great job, steady as it goes. Totally dominated the G7. It's to be expected. Loving the China Trade War. Next stop win 2020 elections.
Vash
Posts: 6145
Location:

Anything else though? i want to know more about the great job part.
infi
Posts: 24431
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Read the news FFS

http://www.magapill.com/
Vash
Posts: 6146
Location:

great source there. so how do you learn about what Trump is bad at?
infi
Posts: 24432
Location: Brisbane, Queensland


Read the news FFS. (Make sure it's not the Fake News.)

https://twitter.com/Lawrence/status/1166800943272353792


PornoPete
Posts: 3680
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

So whats the latest on Trump, PP, Infi? Been quiet on him recently.


How's impeachment of literally Hitler going?


You might need your mum to clean all that intellectual curiousity out of your khakis.
Nmag
Posts: 1205
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

My daughter went as Donald Trump to the school book parade today. She had a DT mask and I lent her a red tie. She had a great time. They all had a great time. It was the best time the school has ever had.
infi
Posts: 24433
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

My daughter went as Donald Trump to the school book parade today. She had a DT mask and I lent her a red tie. She had a great time. They all had a great time. It was the best time the school has ever had.


And let me guess: she won, and can't stop winning.
PornoPete
Posts: 3681
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

You're doing the genre wrong.

Your daughter who is 4 who has never spoken before because patriarchy says trump is satan incarnate. and you, literally shaking right now, have to tearfully explain to her that someone who has killed more people than Hitler mao and Stalin combined was elected by homophobes and racist who is going to sodomise the environment to death, with Russians who cover it up.

Then through a stream of tears running down her face she'll say maybe true socialism will save us and you collapse with pride. And tell everyone this thing that definitely happened
Spook
Posts: 41381
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
lolz, i came to post this morning that democracy is obviously not working in the free world.

america? rooted.
england? super rooted.

and yet the worst of all the leaders is in australia :(

was funny that i noticed just up above, infi posted the complete opposite.
PornoPete
Posts: 3682
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

and yet the worst of all the leaders is in australia :(

Omg did bill shorten win an election?

Democracy hasn't stopped working just because you lose a vote.
infi
Posts: 24434
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Democracy worked perfectly! Even Labor now realises Australia dodged a bullet lmao. They have recanted their own economic policies.
dazedandconfused
Posts: 755
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

A referendum, that was affirmative on leaving the EU, has been delayed and stalled and deliberately sabotaged for 3 years is now finally being implemented = democracy not working.

No wonder everyone loves socialism these days when the concept of democracy has become this difficult to grasp.

There's a reason that an autistic teenager is the new face of the climate movement.

The US isn't a democracy, wasn't set up as one and has never been one.

Liberals have become archetypes of emotionally charged moral grandstanding virtue signallers.

But yes, ScoMo planning to ban cash transactions over 10k is Communist China kind of garbage. Vash would love it.
Vash
Posts: 6147
Location:

Yeah everyone is loving Socialism right now. Bernie wants to seize the memes of production along with AOC & Omar. Time to end democracy and put trump supporters in the gulags where they belong.
Nmag
Posts: 1206
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

For anyone missing the point between all the Trump hate...

The two most vocal Green voters are supporters of Marxist ideologies such as Communism and Socialism.

John Laws use to call the Greens "Watermelons. Green on the outside, red on the inside".

https://www.faithinnature.co.uk/images/cms/WatermelonPreview-png-c35cb95_attr.png

Neither has been able to point out a successful implementation of Communism or Socialism, and instead writes about a nirvana of how it "could be".
Hogfather
Posts: 16956
Location: Cairns, Queensland

I am kind of amazed at how our local conservatives came to swing their rudders around to openly back Trumpy.

The man is a complete prat, I swear every time he opens his mouth its cringy, like an episode of the Office.

Ideology is a f***en hell of a drug.
PornoPete
Posts: 3683
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

Ideology is a f***en hell of a drug.


Problem might be deeper than that but tell yourself what you have to.

Looks like fpot doesn't have much to say about the IG report.

Funny how that goes.
dazedandconfused
Posts: 756
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

I am kind of amazed at how our local conservatives came to swing their rudders around to openly back Trumpy.


Might have something to do with the snide condescension coming from chardonnay socialists like this comment exemplifies.
fpot
Posts: 26715
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

I am kind of amazed at how our local conservatives came to swing their rudders around to openly back Trumpy.
There is only one thing trump offers and they like him because of that.
PornoPete
Posts: 3684
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

chardonnay socialists like this comment exemplifies.


I don't think you can call hogfather that.

There is only one thing trump offers and they like him because of that.


It offers a pretty continual stream of literally Hitlers. it's only once you realize that the same people called mitt Romney, John McCain, gw bush, ghw bush and Reagan the same thing that they have no argument to put up.
infi
Posts: 24435
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Call regular everyday people with real concerns Deplorables and magic happens.
Sir Redhat
Posts: 2321
Location: Sydney, New South Wales


So weird that there's now boat arrival stories in the media?

https://www.9news.com.au/national/sri-lankan-asylum-boat-attempts-since-may/577bb65b-adc5-408b-b27c-629dbe7410fd

So weird.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-02/joyce-backs-tamil-family-to-stay-dutton-says-no-grounds-to-stay/11469564


Vash
Posts: 6148
Location:

Might have something to do with the snide condescension coming from chardonnay socialists like this comment exemplifies.


Gee anyone you disagree with is 'snide and condescending' and somehow that leads people to Trump. Interesting.
Spook
Posts: 41382
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
dutton trying to outc*** scomo the ultrac***.
Insom
Posts: 4690
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

so i take it turmp is still prez

Might have something to do with the snide condescension coming from chardonnay socialists like this comment exemplifies.

Hillary's "basket of deplorables" remark from the election might be one of the most pants-on-head stupid things said politically

I hope the Dems have learned their lesson but don't have high hopes for the current circular firing squad of candidates
Nmag
Posts: 1207
Location: Sydney, New South Wales


Simon Jeans, an immigration lawyer who worked with the past 10 immigration ministers, has been following the unfolding situation. He said several errors were made in the family's bid to stay in Australia.. Mr Jeans said boat arrivals tended to exaggerate their stories so they could get permanent residence.


They are not refugees. They are liars seeking to jump the que and have tried to enter the country illegally. They are welcome to apply for immigration the legitimate way. Instead they broke Sri Lankan Law when they left their s***hole country, and they lied regarding their status. They should be deported and sent an invoice for costs in processing and hosting them. The invoicing should be highly publicised to discourage others from risking their lives on the high sea. God forbid the boat they were in may have sunk and harmed the innocent children who are not willing criminals like their dodgy 3rd world parents.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-02/biloela-tamil-family-melbourne-federal-circuit-court-hearing/11468874
PornoPete
Posts: 3685
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

I hope the Dems have learned their lesson but don't have high hopes for the current circular firing squad of candidates


All they have to do is not be bat s*** insane and *they* "cannot* *do* *it*.

Gee anyone you disagree with is 'snide and condescending' and somehow that leads people to Trump. Interesting.


Make sure mum gets all that intellectual curiousity out of your khakis.
fpot
Posts: 26716
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

Hillary's "basket of deplorables" remark from the election might be one of the most pants-on-head stupid things said politically
Do you hate it when politicians lie? So do I. The reason they do is on the odd occasion such as this one where they tell the truth it can cost them major points.
PornoPete
Posts: 3686
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

It's fun that a middle aged gold coast bouncer has an elitist view of the world.
dazedandconfused
Posts: 757
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

I was getting a bit bored of the current political environment in the US where Trump has been posting one or two hilarious tweet insults a fortnight. It will be good to get back to the debates and the frequent rallies where he's always obliterating the wildly unprepared and intellectually incompetent Democrat candidates. Any of them will do but I think I would enjoy Crazy Bernie being trolled on stage the most.
infi
Posts: 24436
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

The Democrat debates demonstrate just how safe America is from a Democrat President.
Vash
Posts: 6149
Location:

Wishful thinking there.


https://i.imgur.com/uzNGP1V.png
infi
Posts: 24437
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Hahahah here we go again. Cue election night 2020, Trump victory night Part 2. Democrat candidate is 99% probability win. lmao oh i can't wait.
PornoPete
Posts: 3687
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

It's going to be awesome.

How did it happen again? We called everyone racist homophobes. dont they get it.? We even said Obama was s***.
Nmag
Posts: 1208
Location: Sydney, New South Wales


Well if they don't run the Hillary reptilian they are more likely to get up.

That last election was comedy. Hillary, Trump and Bernie. wow.

Bernie looks older than Phillip Ruddock. A rep from the Clinton machine who did a no-show to her fans after defeat, and the great orange man. It's hilarious.

What an idiot

"I'm pleading not guilty on the basis of the extraordinary emergency defence, which basically allows for people breaking the law in an extraordinary emergency," she told The Signal.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/11475342-3x2-940x627.jpghttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-03/climate-change-breaking-the-law-extinction-rebellion/11475060


Insom
Posts: 4691
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

the aforementioned four certainly aren’t in danger of winning
Vash
Posts: 6150
Location:

Ah yes, a repeat of 2016 is a given. Like polls suddenly mean nothing now.
PornoPete
Posts: 3688
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

Yes suddenly a poll before a single vote has been cast for the Democratic primary should be taken seriously.
Vash
Posts: 6151
Location:

Should these polls be taken seriously?

https://i.imgur.com/NU1MNpX.png
infi
Posts: 24438
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Yes, take them very seriously. Cover the fake news with predictions of 99% for Elizabeth Warren. This will be glorious.
PornoPete
Posts: 3689
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

Sure you should take it seriously. just the bit where his popularity is above the level where he won.
fpot
Posts: 26717
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

One of the things good about this thread is the real interesting little case study we have running here. We have a handful of flavoraid enriched dumb s***s who are so far off the mark of reality I can't believe I'm not dealing with a one-of-a-kind dumb s***. infi, how do you know that magapill website you linked isn't someone taking the piss out of you by making this huge list of mediocrity with the knowledge that a dumb s*** like you will celebrate it? There's no way you can really know for sure.

The amount of confidence you have about your weak ass bulls*** is staggering. All it takes is a small handful of you people to jerk eachother off for you to get like this. Now imagine there's a 100k of you (or f*** it 10 million) and 10x that amount of automated accounts pumping constant lies that serve your point of view into your feeble little brain. Think of the damage that is going to do, especially with the sweetener that it will help make people you think of as unworthy of life suffer. That might be the best bit for you.

You talk about how it's impossible for the things I say to be true while being the living embodiment of the things that I say. Extraordinary don't you think?
infi
Posts: 24439
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Imagine how dumb you would feel if you kept on buying the same old fake news 99% probability win and then feel robbed when it was 100% wrong?
PornoPete
Posts: 3690
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

It just never gets old watching someone try to twist self loathing envy of infi into moral self righteousness.

You talk about how it's impossible for the things I say to be true while being the living embodiment of the things that I say. Extraordinary don't you think?


How does it feel to be so stupid and so out of touch that your side keeps winning elections infi?

It must kill you to be this consistently "wrong".
dazedandconfused
Posts: 758
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

infi, how do you know that magapill website you linked isn't someone taking the piss out of you by making this huge list of mediocrity with the knowledge that a dumb s*** like you will celebrate it? There's no way you can really know for sure.


I'm not surprised that "verifying sources" is something that is not in fpot's toolkit for ways you can "really know for sure". We should have seen this coming with the Mueller report and his abject disinterest in reading any of it. But keep on keeping on with telling everyone else they don't live in reality with your weekly/fortnightly rants weirdly directed at infi.

especially with the sweetener that it will help make people you think of as unworthy of life suffer.


Is fpot being ironic? Is his post sarcasm? I can't tell because a few days ago he was literally telling infi he wasn't worthy of life so yeah just clarifying the level of mental handicap we're dealing with here.
fpot
Posts: 26718
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

This is where I'd usually ask a normal person to post where I literally said infi wasn't worthy of life, but I know that you're going to quote the text where I didn't say that and just continue claiming that I did. That's what a person who has no shame of their own stupidity will do. Similar to say, drawing on a map with texta and using it as a prop on a television appearance.

I'm not disputing the veracity of the items contained in that (lol) 'magapill' link infi posted. I am saying they are all thoroughly mediocre accomplishments that are bread and butter for any president. How does infi know he hasn't been trolled by someone compiling such a list and then laughing at how chuds celebrate it, knowing that chuds will clap their tiny little hands at anything trump does? f*** you really do need everything explained carefully to you don't you? Imagine if you were actually employed somewhere in your life. You'd drive your boss f***ing crazy, they'd have to supervise you with every task great and small.
Sir Redhat
Posts: 2322
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

We are all socialist now.

infi
Posts: 24440
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Posting from Paris, I can say it has a lot less s*** rules than Australia. But they also have soldiers with machine gins walking around the streets. Not a bicycle helmet in sight, buy beer at the convenience store, smoking in restaurants. Everyone seems happy without dumb rules.

It's handy to have verified and sourced lists of achievements for such occasions as when "that guy" says Trump has achieved nothing. That's all I'm saying. It's not a troll by the author, it's a convenient resource for dealing with "that guy". I did like your meta spin that the by using a fully referenced list of Trump achievements you speculated the joke could be on me. Entertaining as always.
PornoPete
Posts: 3691
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

This is where I'd usually ask a normal person to post where I literally said infi wasn't worthy of life, but I know that you're going to quote the text where I didn't say that and just continue claiming that I did. That's what a person who has no shame of their own stupidity will do.


A little bit like how someone says trump conspired with Russia to attack America but can never point to a specific thing in a specific report.

Just because you *continually* do a thing doesn't mean everyone else is doing it to capitan Freudian projection.

of the items contained in that (lol) 'magapill' link infi posted. I am saying they are all thoroughly mediocre accomplishments that are bread and butter for any president


So it's a list of things every president does but Trump is Hitler. nailed it. so much super smarts.
Nmag
Posts: 1209
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

One of the things good about this thread is the real interesting little case study we have running here. We have a handful of flavoraid enriched dumb s***s who are so far off the mark of reality I can't believe I'm not dealing with a one-of-a-kind dumb s***. infi, how do you know that magapill website you linked isn't someone taking the piss out of you by making this huge list of mediocrity with the knowledge that a dumb s*** like you will celebrate it? There's no way you can really know for sure.

The amount of confidence you have about your weak ass bulls*** is staggering. All it takes is a small handful of you people to jerk eachother off for you to get like this. Now imagine there's a 100k of you (or f*** it 10 million) and 10x that amount of automated accounts pumping constant lies that serve your point of view into your feeble little brain. Think of the damage that is going to do, especially with the sweetener that it will help make people you think of as unworthy of life suffer. That might be the best bit for you.

You talk about how it's impossible for the things I say to be true while being the living embodiment of the things that I say. Extraordinary don't you think?


Pure fpot class. Wrap your head in foil man.
fpot
Posts: 26719
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

You think banning smoking in restaurants is a dumb rule? Buying beer in convenience stores would be a dream come true, however.

trump has achieved nothing and has actually set the USA if not the world back decades. That you think your dumb list contains achievements is yet another example of your true colours shining through. They're just things heads of state do. I'd bet cash money that the vast majority of them happened without trump's knowledge. It's a great example of Poe's Law along with just about every 'source' you post.
PornoPete
Posts: 3692
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

trump has achieved nothing and has actually set the USA if not the world back decades.


Always a bit vague on how we've been set back decades.

They're just things heads of state do.


But it's apparently while doing things presidents should just do.

But s*** gets deeper

Here's a fun item from the list that fpot like totally read and stuff read like he read the Mueller report.

Trump signs proclamation directing troops to secure border


Just stuff heads of state do dudes. the world according to fpot.
It's a great example of Poe's Law along with just about every 'source' you post.


Don't forget fpot just "schooled" you infi and didn't in any way make a complete fool of himself.
infi
Posts: 24441
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

yeah i think I will just sit back and enjoy those democratic debates while the border wall gets built.

fpot i would love some genuine answers from you: should immigration legislation be enforced? should immigration legislation exist? should Australia or America have a border? how many refugees per year should Australia accept? perhaps you will avoid - it's a trap.
PornoPete
Posts: 3693
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

Oh silly infi. don't you get it. there are no hard decisions to make in immigration. there are no consequences for not making decisions.

There's just racists who hate immigrants. and it's really important that fpot call you that because that way he can't be.
dazedandconfused
Posts: 759
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

I'm sorry I just thought no-one would be backwards enough to claim that an achievement like re-negotiation of NAFTA, being the first President to ever set foot in North Korea or being the first President with enough nuts to commit to a trade war with China were things that are "bread and butter for every president".

I guess the difference is infi posts things that are backed by actual evidence and fpot posts things backed by a combination of infi obsession and a weird emotional attachment to TDS.
fpot
Posts: 26720
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

fpot i would love some genuine answers from you: should immigration legislation be enforced? should immigration legislation exist? should Australia or America have a border? how many refugees per year should Australia accept? perhaps you will avoid - it's a trap.
You have asked me this question dozens of times. Dozens and dozens over the period of like a decade now. Here's me answering it for you yet again.

Yes. Yes. Yes. As many as we can.

It's at this point I ask whether its okay for people to be held indefinitely in inhumane conditions and why there's such a sharp focus on IMA when the vast majority of illegal immigration occurs from people entering the country by air and overstaying their visas etc. This is when the infi reality denial spiral starts to occur and I realise for the umpteenth time that I'm wasting my breath on a complete f***ing moron.

You're right dazed, getting clowned on by murderous dictators and then praising and legitimising them is an achievement for the ages and I'd like to apologise for getting that one wrong.
Vash
Posts: 6152
Location:

Meeting with NK was all a show. Nothing has really happened from it.
The trade war is increasing the cost of living to Americans and putting the world economy at risk.
PornoPete
Posts: 3694
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

Here's me answering it for you yet again.

Except this
As many as we can.

Is not an answer to this
how many refugees per year should Australia accept?


If you think you've been answering the question for a decade you're the dummy.

The simple fact is you don't have an answer to how many and what happens when you reach that number.

Largely because you aren't capable of accepting there are actual hard choices to make.
dazedandconfused
Posts: 760
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

You're right dazed, getting clowned on by murderous dictators and then praising and legitimising them is an achievement for the ages and I'd like to apologise for getting that one wrong.


That's bread and butter for presidents though, right
Vash
Posts: 6153
Location:

https://i.imgur.com/QFBLTQf.jpg
PornoPete
Posts: 3695
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

Naw vash think he isn't exactly the guy with plugs.

That
Is
Adorable.
fpot
Posts: 26721
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

Pretty much what Vash's comic said.

The trump presidency is pretty much a catastrophe from every angle. If you're still chipping in with comments like it's all good you're no more than a flat-earther at this point. To be honest I find it kind of astonishing that anyone would be willing to sacrifice their dignity in support of him.
PornoPete
Posts: 3696
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

Oh look here comes tweedledum to tell everyone he's a moron.

I guess Infis list didn't have enough pictures. That's why he didn't read and ended up claiming meeting Kim jong un was presidential bread and butter.

Don't forget fpot who can't read a dot point list definitely read and understood Mueller.
dazedandconfused
Posts: 761
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

The swastika in the cartoon is in the opposite direction to the Nazi swastika. Vash and fpots combined IQ is lower than room temperature and also too low to post a cartoon that isn't a complete self-own.

They also don't even realise they are the two intellectually backwards hipsters in the foreground obsessing over meaningless tweets.

Amazing.
Sir Redhat
Posts: 2323
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

https://www.notbusinessasusual.co/

Who's attending their local climate strike Friday 20th?
fpot
Posts: 26722
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

lol the graffitied swastika in the comic is facing the wrong way I am so owned! Or dazed just displayed his complete lack of ability to understand context even when it is blindingly obvious.

brb, inviting terrorists into Camp David on the 9/11 anniversary.
trillion
Posts: 4453
Location: Ballarat, Victoria
https://localtvwtkr.files.wordpress.com/2019/07/s111224533.jpg
PornoPete
Posts: 3697
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

lol the graffitied swastika in the comic is facing the wrong way I am so owned! Or dazed just displayed his complete lack of ability to understand context even when it is blindingly obvious.

brb, inviting terrorists into Camp David on the 9/11 anniversary.


Gees. and fpot swoops in for a vash level selfown.

Manages to adopt a self satisfied tone while behaving in exactly the way his cartoon is mocking
Vash
Posts: 6154
Location:

Much like PP it appears.
PornoPete
Posts: 3698
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

Did you read the *whole* cartoon vash? it had some big words
infi
Posts: 24442
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

brb, inviting terrorists into Camp David on the 9/11 anniversary.


but when Clinton did it with Arafat, it was OK. Believe it or not, Trump wants peace. He fired John Bolton today.
Insom
Posts: 4692
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

you don’t hire John Bolton as an adviser in the first place unless the advice you want is “bomb everyone”, but this is an encouraging step
PornoPete
Posts: 3699
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

You might do it because he has experience in the area and brings a different point of view.

Trump has been very clearly not a bomb everyone president.

It is good he is gone.
trillion
Posts: 4457
Location: Ballarat, Victoria
little rocket man when he was stirring up that North Korean dude was some of Trumpy cat's best theatre
fpot
Posts: 26723
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

but when Clinton did it with Arafat, it was OK.
I dunno was it? It happened when I was in high school.You just keep getting more and more desperate with your whataboutisms.

In any case, that meeting was conducted by an actual President. Not a complete imbecile who draws on maps with texta, forgets which country his dad was born in (twice), and is more or less a trojan horse installed by a foreign superpower as an act of sabotage, an attack he actually assisted in and then committed crimes covering up. Now I know you precious little chud boys struggle with context in even the most basic situations so this may be a little advanced for you, but try to understand that if a negotiation with the Taliban is to take place, it's a rather critical problem that the Billion Dollar Loser is going to be sitting at the table. If it were an actual President organising this it would probably be a good thing.
PornoPete
Posts: 3700
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

That was the blistering take we were all waiting for.

Taking a leaf from the vash school of argument in which you complain about a thing and then do exactly thing in an act of near perfect self-refutation.

Trump shouldn't negotiate an end to the war in Afghanistan because he drew on a map with a felt pen, is close to the stupidest thing ever said on this forum. we'd have to audit vash's post carefully to be sure.

This is fpot definitely not distracted by trumps tweets.
infi
Posts: 24443
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Yeah not a very useful contribution. We can hope for something lucid one day.
PornoPete
Posts: 3701
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

That's the anal rape by a donkey of whataboutism, while complaining about whataboutism.
PornoPete
Posts: 3702
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

So looks like Andy McCabe has been a very naughty boy.

One of the principal players in the Russia investigation is probably going to be indicated. for lying to the FBI.

This nothing burger is surprisingly rich and tasty.
infi
Posts: 24444
Location: Brisbane, Queensland


Andrew McCabe irks some CNN colleagues: ‘I have no sympathies for him’

https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-contributor-andrew-mccabe


dazedandconfused
Posts: 762
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

CNN can now boast having a corrupt ex-FBI official and an avowed white supremacist who rejects Trump (Richard Spencer) as contributors. I would probably just become a conservative out of shame by now with the steady torrent of embarrassing results liberals have overseen in the last 3 years.
fpot
Posts: 26726
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

There's only a few people posting in here so I'm going to assume you're talking to me with that one. What's given you the idea I give a single f*** about CNN? Yes, I think it's funny how chud boys try to portray it as some sort of Fox News/Breitbart analogue but that's about it.

And you are Richard Spencer. So is infi. Richard Spencer is the norm for trump supporters now. You're gonna mewl and whinge like a little child but it's true. trump is an avowed white supremacist and you are his base.
Insom
Posts: 4693
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

The idea that regular people with progressive values are going to up and join Trump’s GOP, because media, was a theme of that “walk away” meme campaign from a while back (totally not a Russian op)

on that topic, if you haven’t seen The Loudest Voice on Stan yet, do it - Russell Crowe is great as Roger Ailes
PornoPete
Posts: 3703
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

The idea that there are huge numbers of regular people who espouse progessive politics as per the dem debates is the broken assumption in that thinking.

I mean look at fpot. he talks the progressive talking points. has he ever given any indication whatsoever he is normal?
infi
Posts: 24445
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Lol no
dazedandconfused
Posts: 763
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

And you are Richard Spencer. So is infi.


I have no problem admitting I am Richard Spencer and I have no doubt infi would either if you could find one instance where either of us said that the White race should have a racially homogeneous homeland and that all other races should be deported from said homeland. You can't and you won't because even you with your incredibly limited mental capacity knows that we've never said that. The problem with your mental deficiency is though that you'll deflect with some cringey insults and you won't justify anything you've said because you know deep down you aren't smart enough/too lazy to figure the truth out for yourself.

In other news, here is your backwards Swastika on a Synagogue, simpletons.
infi
Posts: 24446
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Is that what they call, a strawman?
Insom
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Location: Brisbane, Queensland

The idea that there are huge numbers of regular people who espouse progessive politics as per the dem debates is the broken assumption in that thinking.

not really, depending upon the value of huge, but I don’t see Americans on the whole as a particularly left-leaning bunch

but the integrity of cable pundits is not likely to matter to swinging voters of either persuasion nearly as much as that of, say, cabinet
fpot
Posts: 26727
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

You're worse than Richard Spencer because at least he has the balls to actually come out and say what he means. infi and you, pathetic cowardly little pieces of s*** who use faux-libertarianism as a shield to hide the fact that you are both indeed aligned with people like Spencer.

You try to pretend you're so mysterious and deep. If only I'd bother to find out the truth then I could finally see the vast complexity of your thought processes. Sorry to say bud but at this point you're just a specimen. Something to be turned over and sniffed occasionally to find out exactly how human beings can become so f***ed up. To try and figure out a way for when all this s*** is over to keep you marginalised and irrelevant so nothing you say or do matters so this giant f***ing mess never happens again. That's what Russia and trump has done. Found the formula to get f*** ups like you engaged and unified. Alone you're a smelly little damp spot under the mattress, as a group you're an infectious mould creeping up the walls. Enjoy it while it lasts
PornoPete
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Location: Melbourne, Victoria

but the integrity of cable pundits is not likely to matter to swinging voters of either persuasion nearly as much as that of, say, cabinet


No but the integrity (or perhaps total lack of) of the former deputy director of the FBI might concern a few.

That's what Russia and trump has done. Found the formula to get f*** ups like you engaged and unified. Alone you're a smelly little damp spot under the mattress, as a group you're an infectious mould creeping up the walls. Enjoy it while it lasts


Pure pure Freud. mum hasn't cleaned his sheets in a while and its creeping into his posts. try tissues little boy.

He managed to avoid the use of "chud" so points for that i guess.
dazedandconfused
Posts: 764
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

The problem with your mental deficiency is though that you'll deflect with some cringey insults and you won't justify anything you've said
Alone you're a smelly little damp spot under the mattress, as a group you're an infectious mould creeping up the walls. Enjoy it while it lasts


Yep
Insom
Posts: 4695
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

No but the integrity (or perhaps total lack of) of the former deputy director of the FBI might concern a few.

indeed, as it should, but voters will also have to consider that Trump's firing of other individuals may have seen him charged with obstruction if he were not president

or not? Trump voters are a devout bunch

CNN would do well to cut this guy loose anyway
infi
Posts: 24447
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Like Jim Comey, the guy the Dems also wanted fired but also wanted to accuse Trump of firing to interfere with the investigation.

DERP
PornoPete
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Location: Melbourne, Victoria

indeed, as it should, but voters will also have to consider that Trump's firing of other individuals may have seen him charged with obstruction if he were not president

or not? Trump voters are a devout bunch


Unless you're willing to debate point by point Barr's memo on obstruction of justice i doubt there is much point going forward.

The words "if he weren't president" aren't doing the work you think they are.

Ill also add there is some great irony in associating the word "devout" with Trump's voters and the Russia fiasco.
dazedandconfused
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Location: Sydney, New South Wales

That's every single witness now saying the event didn't happen.

Topped off by implications of Democrat party members blackmailing her. I'm sure the crazed left will be all for an investigation into these allegations, just like they wanted Hillary's emails to go away and how they love James Comey leaking memos and how they are utterly silent on their 'muh Russia conspiracy' lynch pin Andrew McCabe.
fpot
Posts: 26728
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

Dude, what else is there but to insult you? The only way you'll ever get engaged in conversation is the same as the only way you'll ever get laid - by someone charging by the hour.
PornoPete
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Location: Melbourne, Victoria

the same as the only way you'll ever get laid - by someone charging by the hour.


Says the single middle aged bouncer. maybe you can show him the places that do a bulk discount on a "boys thai week away".

Pure pure Freud.
Sir Redhat
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Location: Sydney, New South Wales

Small turnout today for climate strike.

https://i.imgur.com/AfYVzrD.jpg
infi
Posts: 24448
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

it's amazing what a day off school will do for a protest turnout.
Sir Redhat
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Location: Sydney, New South Wales

it's amazing what a day off school will do for a protest turnout.


Oh no matey, there's some civil unrest among the hoi polloi. Better quickly dismiss it.

For those playing at home most of the crowd were adults. I personally would have preferred to be at the beach on a day off but here we are.
PornoPete
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Location: Melbourne, Victoria

I personally would have preferred to be at the beach on a day off but here we are.


Spoken like true climate rapist.
dazedandconfused
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Location: Sydney, New South Wales

I wonder if they had a similar Climate Strike in China? Or were they too busy working the 9-9-6 work week to build the device this photo was taken with and building several thousand new coal fired power plants?

Sometimes I genuinely wonder how lefties figure out how to get out of bed in the morning.
jum
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Location: Queensland
if there is one thing governments fear more than anything else in the world, its a bunch of school kids and dole bludging bong sniffers standing round in a park holding placards. these protests are sure to rock the political establishment to the very core and set in motion the policy changes that will save our planet from catastrophic climate change

makes me nostalgic for my own young activist days when we would wag school to go smoke durries in the shopping centre car park
fpot
Posts: 26729
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

Sometimes I genuinely wonder how lefties figure out how to get out of bed in the morning.
Most start by climbing off your mum. It takes a while. Don't worry she'll be down to dress you shortly.

Some interesting comments from the chuds here. What I am gathering is they think that the best course of action is to do nothing and just sort of hope everything turns out okay? Quick calibration check - is climate change still the United Nations using data corrupted by NASA as a socialist wealth distribution conspiracy? Or have you guys moved on to something new?
PornoPete
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Location: Melbourne, Victoria

As opposed to the no doubt detailed plan that has involved as much thought as getting mummy to swap your sheets.

Does it start/finish with the government should do "as much as possible"?

Like the number of refugees we should resettle is "as many as possible"?
Sir Redhat
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Location: Sydney, New South Wales


As opposed to the no doubt detailed plan that has involved as much thought as getting mummy to swap your sheets.

Does it start/finish with the government should do "as much as possible"?

Like the number of refugees we should resettle is "as many as possible"?

You read right?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-20/school-strike-for-climate-draws-thousands-to-australian-rallies/11531612
No new coal, oil or gas projects 100 per cent renewable energy generation and exports by 2030 Funding for "a just transition and job creation for all fossil fuel industry workers and communities"

Something government could easily do with mining royalties
PornoPete
Posts: 3709
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

The government could ban mining oil coal and gas and pay for renewables with mining royalties.

Yep brilliant. please tell me more about this "reading" you speak of.
dazedandconfused
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Location: Sydney, New South Wales



Which one of the obese loudmouths was you, fpot?
Sir Redhat
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Location: Sydney, New South Wales

Uh I think we mine other things than coal/gas?

Wow that video really showed the few hundred thousand people that turned up to the protests by interviewing 4 people.
My favourite bit was the begging for money at the end because he doesn't have george soros on his side.
fpot
Posts: 26731
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

None of them. I know who the little boy dressed in his adorable suit pretending to be an adult is though.
PornoPete
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Location: Melbourne, Victoria

Uh I think we mine other things than coal/gas?


Coal and iron ore represent the overwhelming majority of our mining exports and guess what you need to turn iron ore into something useful (hint: its coal). we also mine alot of uranium. are the climate warriors cool with that?

So all it is is you get rid of the major source of mining royalties and then you use the massively reduced royalties to pay to make electricity more expensive and less reliable.

I can see why you lot hide behind kids. easier than "reading".
infi
Posts: 24449
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Shockingly incoherent.
Sir Redhat
Posts: 2328
Location: Sydney, New South Wales


Wow, it is almost like you have to keep doing things the same way forever instead of changing things for the better.
https://www.theengineer.co.uk/arcelormittal-to-use-hydrogen-in-steel-production-process/

One of the demands was no new gas/coal mines, not shut it down tomorrow.

So all it is is you get rid of the major source of mining royalties and then you use the massively reduced royalties to pay to make electricity more expensive and less reliable.
This trope, please.

We're going to be exporting solar soon.
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/08/australian-solar-power-singapore/

Maybe read something other than the Oz mate.


PornoPete
Posts: 3711
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

Oh good so they are going to explore using hydrogen.

Meaning you're talking about a technology that doesn't exist.

This trope, please.


Oh thats delicious

The guy who's demanding 100% renewables and ending coal mining in 10 years is worried about tropes. bless.

There might also be something about chickens before they hatch with a plan that needs 3,800km of undersea cable and 15,000 hectares of solar panels (0 of which has been built).

If you could spare me presenting pie in the sky bulls*** as though its done deal that'd be great thanks.

Try reading something other than guardian lovey.
Sir Redhat
Posts: 2329
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
PornoPete
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Location: Melbourne, Victoria

About what?

You've litterally demanded reducing mining royalties so you can use mining royalties to replace existing technology with non-existent technology for the kids or some s***. while complaining about "tropes" after dropping a steaming pile of cliché.
dazedandconfused
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Location: Sydney, New South Wales



We have no reason or pragmatism, so we'll instead use a brainwashed child to push our agenda.
PornoPete
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Location: Melbourne, Victoria

Sall good bro engineering are going to start burning wood instead of coal to make steel

Likewise, methods are tested in which biocoal from waste wood is used instead of coking coal as a reducing agent in the blast furnace.


That's the climate fixed forever right there. The science has spoken. Bigot.
fpot
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Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

We have no reason or pragmatism, so we'll instead use a brainwashed child to push our agenda.
It's a deep state, United Nations socialist conspiracy.
PornoPete
Posts: 3714
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

Maybe fpot could start an eco business smelting metals using only the latest bronze age techniques.
Spook
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Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Drumpf to be impeached?
PornoPete
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Location: Melbourne, Victoria

For demanding an investigation into why Hunter Biden was inexplicably paid $50000 per month in Ukraine.

Good to see we're not even pretending Russia was a thing anymore

Trump is close to having 2020 in the bag
infi
Posts: 24450
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Drumpf is finished this time guyz
dazedandconfused
Posts: 769
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

It's a deep state, United Nations socialist conspiracy.


Nah just regular run-of-the-mill failures in basic intellectual functioning we've all come to expect of the activist left. Labelling it a conspiracy gives it far more credibility as a thought process than it actually is.

My favourite part is her complaining about adults looking for hope in children when that's exactly why the "adult" left has pushed her into this position.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_ksWHAXkAAx-xr.jpg

White liberals are hopelessly trapped in their own ideological bubble. Generally the more educated a white person is, the more likely they are hopelessly left. Not sure why fpot has this problem.

Drumpf to be impeached?


Based on a whistleblower who is yet to testify and has already shifted to claim the conversation details were shared with them second-hand? The left is comically incapable of learning their lessons about yapping their jaws before verifying their sources.
fpot
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Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

Drumpf to be impeached?
You need a functional democracy to impeach, so probably not.

trump bribing Ukraine for assistance in the election is a deep state fake news conspiracy and also presidential harassment.
PornoPete
Posts: 3716
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

You need a functional democracy to impeach, so probably not.


The toys have left the basket.
infi
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Location: Brisbane, Queensland

You need a functional democracy to impeach, so probably not.


You see guyz, it's not a functioning democracy because it's not delivering outcomes I want.
Spook
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Location: Brisbane, Queensland
You see guyz, it's not a functioning democracy because it's not delivering outcomes I want.


im pretty disappointed in democracy myself. its now evident i live amongst a whole heap of morans.
PornoPete
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Location: Melbourne, Victoria

Who doesn't enjoy self deprecation. even when its not intentional ;)
fpot
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Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

im pretty disappointed in democracy myself. its now evident i live amongst a whole heap of morans.
They need to get a brain.

A president who doesn't criminally obstruct justice, pay off women he's had sex with, draws on maps with texta.... man I am bored of listing the numerous and obvious reasons trump shouldn't be president. I could do an nmag sized wall of text meltdown list of them if I wanted too and that would only cover a couple of months worth.

What you need to remember infi is that you and dazed (down to just you two now, how sad) are not normal. You're both liars who will let anything slip by because you dream about the day you can just go full white supremacist and not have to worry about hiding it. That's the ultimate goal and why trump has your full support no matter what. If you can offer some sort of alternative why you're so willing and able to submit to his lies then please enlighten me.
dazedandconfused
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Location: Sydney, New South Wales

If you can offer some sort of alternative why you're so willing and able to submit to his lies then please enlighten me.


To incite mouth-breathers like you into psychotic meltdowns on a video-game forum
fpot
Posts: 26735
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

Yes, 'to own the libs'. A fresh and compelling piece of weak ass bulls*** you have there.

Afraid I am going to have to stick with my original answer until you come up with something a bit better than that.
PornoPete
Posts: 3718
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

Always entertaining.

Accusing nmag of a meltdown while melting down.
infi
Posts: 24452
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

fpot you have a weird obsession about White Supremacy. Like male feminists have a weird obsession with being rapey. Proving how not racist you are? We get it, you're really woke, but white supremacy isn't something driving political discourse in America or Australia - that's just your warped perception. Normal people - which you ironically claim to be - are worried about their jobs, mortgages, families and s***ty reality TV shows. Only you and the rest of the extreme left obsess over this s***.

Trump gets it. And I guess that's what make you mad the most. That an apparent douche bag like Trump can be more connected to the American zeitgeist than an underappreciated genius like you.

He's going to be re-elected. And he will never be prosecuted because he's done nothing wrong. Those are some very sobering realities to deal with.

It's really lame to call people you disagree with racist or misogynist or whatever. Just say you disagree with them.
PornoPete
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Location: Melbourne, Victoria

fpot you have a weird obsession about White Supremacy.


Don't forget very ridgid views on presidential sharpie use.
fpot
Posts: 26736
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

White supremacy is something driving political discourse in America. trump does not give a single s*** about anyone's family, mortgage or job. trump committed crimes covering up the assistance his team gave to Russia when they attacked the USA. He may very well not be prosecuted and he may be reelected. This is not because I am wrong about the things I just said, but because politics in the USA has become more polluted than the Michigan water supply by trump and the attack he helped happen.

trump is a white supremacist and so are the people that continue to follow him and defend him. That's his sole platform now. There's nothing the 'republican' party offer except the hope they can make it even harder on the browns with a side order of f***ing up the entire planet while they're at it because the refuse to accept science is real. Sending hopes and prayers on that one.

The reason you're so willing to brazenly lie and gaslight in your above post is because you are one devout mutha f***er. I'm sure you've always followed your Milos, Posobiecs, Kirks etc even before trump was installed as president. trump is like all of them found in some abandoned cellar, aged perfectly. A rare vintage of a broken human being. And he is president. That gives racist pieces of s*** like you hope that one day you'll be able to drop the facade of being a normal person and just put those ungrateful non-whites in their place where they belong.

Unless of course you're willing to explain why you're so willing to debase yourself by believing and even promoting the obvious lies that are put out by him. There is also the you're so f***ing stupid that you don't see them option if you don't like the first choice.
Spook
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Location: Brisbane, Queensland
He's going to be re-elected. And he will never be prosecuted because he's done nothing wrong. Those are some very sobering realities to deal with.


you are legit insane if you think drumpf has done nothing wrong.

hes a dead set moran who can barely speak.

its only a matter of time until he gets tripped up and caught.
Sir Redhat
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Location: Sydney, New South Wales


hes a dead set moran who can barely speak.

Agreed spook, it's like he doesn't even have a brian in his head.
Spook
Posts: 41387
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
reckon.

"perfect conversation"
PornoPete
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Location: Melbourne, Victoria

its only a matter of time until he gets tripped up and caught.


You mean like the collusion with unkraine that fell apart inside 48 hours? important to keep in mind fpot thinks he is a russian plant.

How does military aid to a rival help russia?

Itd be nice if you could name something specific hes "done wrong".

Anyway apparently trump is a white supremacist and suggesting that he obviously isn't is "gas lighting".
dazedandconfused
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Location: Sydney, New South Wales

Trump had the Obama administration spy on him, FBI officials investigating him openly partisan and a prosecutor in the Special Counsel outright refusing to fulfill his remit of recommending charges or exonerating Trump on collusion and obstruction. Yet here we are with simpletons still convinced Trump is the second coming of Hitler. You couldn't sell this stupidity as plausible even in a comic book character.
Vash
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Phew dazed. that post is a doozy.

https://i.imgur.com/CAUwxNK.jpg
fpot
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Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

Trump had the Obama administration spy on him, FBI officials investigating him openly partisan and a prosecutor in the Special Counsel outright refusing to fulfill his remit of recommending charges or exonerating Trump on collusion and obstruction. Yet here we are with simpletons still convinced Trump is the second coming of Hitler. You couldn't sell this stupidity as plausible even in a comic book character.
Don't you get tired of being this f***ing weak?

edit: here's a sobering reality for you. While trump is hunched over a podium, squinting at the autocue and mumbling inanities into a microphone while the whole world cringes a sixteen year old girl has engaged the entire world by simply speaking the truth and stating the obvious. A sixteen year old girl has more political nous and clout than the pathetic excuse for a man that you deem worthy of worshipping.

Don't forget to post the direct from the Russian troll farm attacks on her to help with your hurt feelings.
infi
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Location: Brisbane, Queensland

He makes a point. No charges were recommended. That was the whole point of the enquiry. One doesn't hold an enquiry to do nothing.

So it's not weak. It's actually a relevant observation.
fpot
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Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

f*** off he makes a point you dumb f***. It's been explained and documented ad nauseum why no charges were recommended. You're just being your typical willfully ignorant self, hiding from the truth like the spoilt little brat you are. Don't you ever get sick of being so f***ing weak and dumb?
infi
Posts: 24454
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Lul so an enquiry into the President was initiated with the intention of no charges. Shyeah right. Why even bother....
fpot
Posts: 26740
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

So this is like some sort of tactic to act as obtuse as possible, and put myself and others into a position where we're forced to repeat ourselves to you endlessly in an effort to stall the fact that you're dumb as s*** and blindly loyal to a man who is going to go down in the top ten in 21st century infamy, right?
infi
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Location: Brisbane, Queensland

What is your view as to the purpose of enquiry if nothing is to result? Just to boost employment figures?
fpot
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Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

Funny thing is I reckon I droned on about the Mueller report too much. It's such a nice little piece of vindication it was hard not to. I've talked about my thoughts on it quite a bit in this very thread and I'd be stupid not to ask myself why you're asking me to say it again. Please refer again to my previous post.

If some non-chud gives a f*** about what my thoughts on it are and have understandingly not followed this clusterf*** of a thread ask away. If it's just you infi, you can go f*** yourself.
PornoPete
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Location: Melbourne, Victoria

So this is like some sort of tactic to act as obtuse as possible, and put myself and others into a position where we're forced to repeat ourselves


Its funny because he's sad he cant answer even basic questions about the report proving he didnt read it. i mean its quite long.

So he hopes if he just repeats what he wants to be true enough times it will be.

And lol fawning over the "political nous" of a sixteen year old. i know its easy to confuse "carefully staged managed political stunt" with nous when you cant read
dazedandconfused
Posts: 772
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

We'll ignore that only the Dems and Mueller believe that the Special Counsel cannot recommend charges. I wonder why the Dems would support a Special Counsel so passionately when it could never result in indictment? Why did Reagan resign?

Title 28 Section 600.4 - 600.10 in the Code of Federal Regulations according to the AG's office is applicable to Special Counsels and that Special Counsels purpose is to provide a report explaining prosecution OR declination decisions. I don't see here where it says a declination (collusion) and a non-decision (obstruction). I know fpot would have no idea about any of this because he watches CNN instead of the Judiciary Committee sessions.
fpot
Posts: 26742
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

We'll ignore that only the Dems and Mueller believe that the Special Counsel cannot recommend charges. I wonder why the Dems would support a Special Counsel so passionately when it could never result in indictment? Why did Reagan resign?
Well of course you'll ignore it - ignorance is your oxygen. If you went five minutes without you'd suffocate on your own dumb. I'll do you a favour by joining in and ignoring how you don't know the difference between Nixon and Reagan.

Of course, you're just asking the exact same question as infi for presumably the exact same reasons. It's almost as though you have some sort of strict s***posting formula that you must stick to even when the formula is spoken out aloud.

Again, if some non-chud cares, or thinks I am not answering because I'm in fact stumped by the sheer brilliance of infi and dazed's intense line of questioning feel free to ask.
PornoPete
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Location: Melbourne, Victoria

So the federal code stating that a special prosecutor must reach a decision is ignorance?

Again, if some non-chud cares, or thinks I am not answering because I'm in fact stumped by the sheer brilliance of infi and dazed's intense line of questioning feel free to ask.


They don't have to be brilliant to fact stump you if you are.

And you are.
infi
Posts: 24457
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

So:

1. An investigation is instigated with a view to determining whether charges should be laid against the President.
2. The Report supposedly finds there the President committed offences.
3. But the President is not charged.
4, But the report is a damning indictment on the President.

What was the point of this even? Just a witch-hunt?
fpot
Posts: 26745
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

What was the title of the report infi?
PornoPete
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Location: Melbourne, Victoria

What was the title of the report infi?

What were the findings of the report fpot?
dazedandconfused
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Location: Sydney, New South Wales

fpot celebrates a typo nearly as much as he celebrates a report that says the exact opposite of what he thinks it does.

Pretty quiet about the Biden-Ukraine fiasco. I guess fpot and Vash are waiting to see if the Dems can roll out another senile White dude to tell them something they don't want to hear?

Here's fpot's hero dealing with non-scripted questions:



I mean I should be shocked at a grown adult supporting a mentally ill child's agenda but then I remember what other braindead things the same person has supported in the last 12 months.
fpot
Posts: 26746
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

'supporting a mentally ill child's agenda' ... lol. There really is no bottom for you is there?
Nmag
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Location: Sydney, New South Wales

I see Trog the moderator is still condoning his left wing buddy's abusive posts (fpot) yet doing his best to silence opposing views.

fpot's posts are outrageous and abusive. PC him.

Mental illness and a general failing at life is not an excuse to abuse others on the forum.

The Greens.. Green on the outside.. red on the inside.

https://www.gimmesomeoven.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/How-To-Cut-Watermelon.jpg

Has fpot or vash found a socialist or communist nation that is a nice place to live yet? No.. there aren't any.. so lets just get Trump triggered and rage about some orange guy on the other side of the planet cause our marxist news feeds keep feeding us this typical left wing journo rubbish. hate sells and Vash and fpot are typical examples of the well meaning fools who buy into it.
fpot
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Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

Sweet post bro, maybe try crying a bit more next time?

Hey infi, is the reason you haven't answered my really simple question because you googled the title of the report you absolutely totally have read, seen what it is, and then felt incredibly stupid looking back at how persistently you asked why people supported the investigation taking place? I don't actually need to explain why you should feel incredibly stupid do I? You at least figured that out, I hope.
infi
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Location: Brisbane, Queensland

I didn't answer you because it's a pointless discussion. Trump Derangement Syndrome has consumed you.
PornoPete
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Location: Melbourne, Victoria

Oh but infi he's got you cornered because he knows the title of the report but believes the literal opposite of its findings.

I mean if it says what he says it does why did pelosi limit the "impeachment inquiry" to this ukraine business. which hysterically hasn't been voted on.

Im sure he has compelling answers for these threshold factual issues.
fpot
Posts: 26748
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

You're right mate I'm going f***ing bonkers here. It was the deep state conspiracy and the fake news all along.
dazedandconfused
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Location: Sydney, New South Wales

'supporting a mentally ill child's agenda' ... lol. There really is no bottom for you is there?


Says the guy who supports trotting out an autistic child to the world stage coached to regurgitate her lefty parents' ideology. I think I'll take criticisms from someone of a higher calibre.
fpot
Posts: 26749
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

I have to admire your discipline in holding off with the straight from the Russian twitter bot attacks on her to help with your hurt feelings for a couple of days. If you'd said them straight after my post it would have been really obvious what you were doing.
PornoPete
Posts: 3729
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

Bless his little heart. Russian twitter bots and white supremacy everywhere.
Nmag
Posts: 1211
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

Sweet post bro, maybe try crying a bit more next time?

Hey infi, is the reason you haven't answered my really simple question because you googled the title of the report you absolutely totally have read, seen what it is, and then felt incredibly stupid looking back at how persistently you asked why people supported the investigation taking place? I don't actually need to explain why you should feel incredibly stupid do I? You at least figured that out, I hope.


So we just note that down as a NO to finding a "socialist or communist nation that is a nice place to live yet" ?

No one here is crying. I've be laughing so hard since Trump got in.. at all the but hurt that I thought you would feel the rumble in that s***hole region you live in. The libs keep winning elections here.

Here's how smart some of you left wing voters are....

A close friend... we don't normally ever talk politics on FB posts some Trump Hate thing. I ask him face to face.. "Man, why you posting Trump stuff on Facebook?"... His answer..

"Cause I hate trump, He is divisive".

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The only crying I see or hear is the buthurt from the left. How many times have you rage quit (feels) from this thread? And then after a few kleenex you come back with your gold coast security guard philosophies.... how can one not laugh at your s***ty contribution. Your are funny. Vash.. well I just feel sorry for him. He probbaly means well.. but you come across like an abusive arsehole.

I ask same friend why he votes left when you consider he ticks lots of boxes for the right and he says "Cause the right are rashissss". I did''t have the heart to tell him that the local asian and indian communities in my safe liberal seat vote Liberal. He's in some kind of deluded left wing news feed fantasy similar to yourself vash and trog.
fpot
Posts: 26750
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

Dude you don't have f***ing friends. You're a spiteful little reprobate - the best you'll ever get is a bit of pity small talk from a work colleague or two. That's why when you talk about your made up family I find it so funny. Imagine someone actually voluntarily spending time with you? It's an impossibility. Being around you would be physically painful.

But yeah, that was pretty good. You did cry more. Next post going to be one of your wall of text full meltdowns? I feel you're up to it.
PornoPete
Posts: 3730
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

Next post going to be one of your wall of text full meltdowns? I feel you're up to it.


In which fpot melts down.
Nmag
Posts: 1212
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

Dude you don't have f***ing friends. You're a spiteful little reprobate - the best you'll ever get is a bit of pity small talk from a work colleague or two. That's why when you talk about your made up family I find it so funny. Imagine someone actually voluntarily spending time with you? It's an impossibility. Being around you would be physically painful.

But yeah, that was pretty good. You did cry more. Next post going to be one of your wall of text full meltdowns? I feel you're up to it.
Once again we see you seek to avoid the discussion and go for the person.

The points I made are:

- Your Marxist belief system is a fantasy
- The Greens lure people in with an environmental agenda but are actually communist and socialist at the core
- Trump triggered emotionally charged people are ironically “divisive”
- Right wing does not mean racist. The Asian and Indian community where I live votes Liberal in state and federal elections.
- Your behaviour is inappropriate and condoned by a biased moderator who has rightfully withdrawn his immature unprofessional bias from this discussion.
- The greens are failing to responsibly recognise nuclear power as it will split their support base

I could write you a pointless wall of text bragging about my life and belittling your pitiful existence but it is off topic.

I prefer you attempt to address my points above.

Regarding the below... You didn't even address the points and then you put such effort into the insults. Truly pathetic and childlike trolling. You are embarrassing yourself and are so warped you can't see it.

What Marxist belief system? Greens are a socialist conspiracy! trump derangement syndrome! A thing nobody said! I'm socially retarded and don't understand why people are repulsed by me! Something something nuclear power!


What kind of effort is that? You seem like such a loser. Only depression or delusion could explain your anger. Get help fpot.
fpot
Posts: 26751
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

Sure you could basement boy.

Man you're going to be disappointed when you find out you've waited another 24 hours just for me to point out that you're basically an object of self-parody at this point. What Marxist belief system? Greens are a socialist conspiracy! trump derangement syndrome! A thing nobody said! I'm socially retarded and don't understand why people are repulsed by me! Something something nuclear power! Did that cover your points?

One thing I've noticed about alt-right twitter are little lists of dumb like the above. The problem is alt-right twitter don't actually read the replies. They're just trawling for more chud followers. When you do the same in an attempt to bedazzle me with your 'points' it doesn't really work.

Maybe next time, as well as crying harder, put the bold on the points themselves? Could give them more impact.

edit: feel free to PM me a wall of text talking yourself up and belittling me. If it's funny enough I'll post it here. I have a feeling it's just going to be pathetic.
Sir Redhat
Posts: 2331
Location: Sydney, New South Wales


The greens are failing to responsibly recognise nuclear power as it will split their support base


So great how coal fans just worry about emissions when the conversation turns to nuclear. MUH CULTUREAL MARXISTM

https://www.crikey.com.au/2019/09/12/rmit-abc-fact-check-renewable-energy/

Turnbull is obviously a green. Coal and nuclear don't stack up anymore, it is completely dumb to even pursue these options when renewables are now already cheaper.

It's like people who want to see coal go on want to keep breathing bad air so their s*** culture war can continue.
Some Fat Bastard
Posts: 2144
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
This forum and this thread still going? FFS, what a waste of breath. I finally retired four years ago after 4 heart attacks, lucky escapes from death, triple bypass and many years of chronic health issues and all you can do is argue who's right and who's wrong, who's better and who's not. f***, get over yourselves and make a f***ing difference rather than arguing who's the boss on a f***ing forum. Pathetic. BTW, I don't care what you think. I don't care at all, so save your indignation for someone who gives a flying f***.
Spook
Posts: 41390
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
sounds like you still need to learn to calm down sfb! you'll give yourself a heart attack!
infi
Posts: 24459
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

I saw your name pop up and was gonna say welcome back, enjoy the fun. Instead, I will say: f*** off you miserable old bastard. Don't be so salty.
PornoPete
Posts: 3731
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

So great how coal fans just worry about emissions when the conversation turns to nuclear. MUH CULTUREAL MARXISTM


Dont worry everyone. the guy who's worried about reading the australian linked to a fact check on crikey.

When you have a plausible explation for why electricity is more expensive in Germany than in france youll have the ghost of a point.

Even. Better why do all three major suppliers of natural gas lurv renewables?
fpot
Posts: 26752
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

Nmag I really don't know what to say so I guess on some level you've succeeded here. Do you not notice how transparent you are? Your points are all nonsense or whinging and there's no real way to respond to them seriously apart from really getting down to the basics about how wrong they are. Despite your Eddie Haskell act you got going I really don't feel like it's a worthy use of my time because you're a flagrantly dishonest person and most likely know why they're nonsense already. It's basically, post a big pile of nonsense, wait for the ridicule to come in and then act all indignant when it does like it's my fault you're dumb as s***.
Nmag
Posts: 1213
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

How wrong are they fpot?

- Greens are clearly watermelons. You, Vash and Trog support greens and support Marxist ideologies.

- Your behaviour is insulting and inappropriate.

- Right wing is not necessarily racist. It's a stupid generalisation. Just because a handful of far right idiots carry on with racist ideologie does not make Liberals and other right of centre parties "racist". We are already seeing Labor shift more and more to the left.

- Screaming about Trump is ironically divisive in forums where we do not typically discuss politics. I have seen plenty of examples of Trump triggered people suddenly feel the need to vocalise their dislike of Trump in the work place and in NSW Government Public Schools. Calling him divisive in this way is kind of funny due to the irony.

- I am not a "flagrantly dishonest person". I have no idea where you get these imagined concepts from. Your personal attacks are clearly pathetic and are a distraction from you addressing points. You tend to ignore points and then throw insults at people. Trog's condoning of your behaviour, considering his restrictions on others are biased.

- I have no idea who Eddie Haskell is and I don't do twitter.

Someone posts an article about the cost of nuclear. At least that's some kind of reply.
infi
Posts: 24460
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

don't waste your time.

guess who this reminds me of? :D

fpot
Posts: 26754
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

Eddie Haskell was a character on Leave it To Beaver who would behave poorly in normal circumstances but put on the goody two shoes act when he thought he could exploit a situation. If he was around today he'd make a post like this -

They are not refugees. They are liars seeking to jump the que and have tried to enter the country illegally. They are welcome to apply for immigration the legitimate way. Instead they broke Sri Lankan Law when they left their s***hole country, and they lied regarding their status. They should be deported and sent an invoice for costs in processing and hosting them. The invoicing should be highly publicised to discourage others from risking their lives on the high sea. God forbid the boat they were in may have sunk and harmed the innocent children who are not willing criminals like their dodgy 3rd world parents.


and then come in later and pretend to be a good faith principled conservative who just wants the big bad lefties to address their carefully constructed points. In your tiny mind you thought if you pretended to be arguing in good faith and got a predictable negative reaction from me when you spoke typical chud nonsense it may work in your advantage. The sort of thing a flagrantly dishonest person would do, and you do it often. Unfortunately you don't do it well, because your points are either absurd, whinging or played out arguments that no one gives a f*** about.
Some Fat Bastard
Posts: 2145
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
"sounds like you still need to learn to calm down sfb! you'll give yourself a heart attack!"

Hey Spook. I've had my fair share of heart attacks. lol. I went on a cruise and had the 1st on the 1st night of the cruise. Spent the next 2 days in the infirmary having my second heart attack before being airlifted to Noumea, then having another in Noumea followed by being flown back to the Holy Spirit in Brisbane and having my fourth on admission. Can say, they hurt like f***.

Hey Infi, I have every right to be salty. I made the poor judgement in reading your posts...hahahahaha
Some Fat Bastard
Posts: 2146
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Oh! and by the way. Psychedelics are the greatest. Trust me. Also, I still have a 5 minute limit on posting after all these years. Hilarious.
PornoPete
Posts: 3732
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

In your tiny mind you thought if you pretended to be arguing in good faith and got a predictable negative reaction from me when you spoke typical chud nonsense it may work in your advantage.


Meanwhile fpot is so good at arguing he compares people to fictional characters nobody's heard of.
infi
Posts: 24461
Location: Brisbane, Queensland



Meanwhile fpot is so good at arguing he compares people to fictional characters nobody's heard of.


And calling people racists. He's allowed to because he's fighting social injustice.
fpot
Posts: 26755
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

One thing I've noticed about racists is they'll try to make fun of you for calling them racist in an effort to make you back down. That's because if there's anything a racist hates more than those culture destroying thugs it's being called racist.
PornoPete
Posts: 3733
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

One thing ive noticed about lefties is theyll cry racist reliably when they dont have a point.

Happens pretty often to fpot
PornoPete
Posts: 3734
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

By way of example.

Supporting Grets is a white supremacist move as it turns out.

Checkmate fpot.
Nmag
Posts: 1214
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

My point about the sri lankan que jumpers remains valid fpot.

As I've explained several times I don't think it's about 'race'. It's about 'culture'.

The name of a nation is not a 'race'. The name of a religion is not a 'race'.

What if I said...

"I like working with Canadians, more than Brits, and Americans?

or

"I like working with Japanese and Koreans more than Filipinos"

?

I think race is irrelevant. I think it's more about culture.
fpot
Posts: 26758
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

Wow those are some fascinating insights... I mean some valid points you have there Nmag. Did your mum help you write them?
dazedandconfused
Posts: 775
Location: Sydney, New South Wales

Trump ending an endless war in Syria. Cue butthurt from neo-cons and liberals alike. You can't not love the guy.
infi
Posts: 24462
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

I thought it was a master move.

Trump wants less Americans at war, Leftists want more. Played.
PornoPete
Posts: 3735
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

I think the people saying leaving the kurds to the mercy of turkey have a point.

They have been a critical ally for two decades at least now.

Its difficult not to see parallels with withdrawal from afghanistan in the 80's.

With that said its not clear sticking around would improve their lot. but a strategy to show how they plan to deal with the crack down that *will* come from turkey would be good.
infi
Posts: 24463
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Trump is smart here. Weaponise the US Dollar, crash the Lira and Turkey becomes a basket case.
fpot
Posts: 26759
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

The olde 'pretend it's all part of the plan' technique, eh chud crew?
PornoPete
Posts: 3736
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

Oh look one of gretas white supremacist lackeys has an opinion.

Trump is smart here. Weaponise the US Dollar, crash the Lira and Turkey becomes a basket case.


Yeah i question the effectiveness of that approach. Crashing the lira the day after turkish paramilitary slaughter a bunch kurds doesnt seem like a great outcome.

Still unmatched wisdom is a god level troll so points for that. refer above :)
infi
Posts: 24464
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Oh look one of gretas white supremacist lackeys has an opinion.



Yeah i question the effectiveness of that approach. Crashing the lira the day after turkish paramilitary slaughter a bunch kurds doesnt seem like a great outcome.

Still unmatched wisdom is a god level troll so points for that. refer above