Lena Headey (honey bunny from 300)
Summer Glau (honey bunny from Firefly)

From the creators of "Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines," this series is set after the events of "Terminator 2: Judgment Day." After the sacrifices of Dr. Miles Dyson and T-800 Model 101 Terminator, the Connors find themselves once again being stalked by Skynet's agents from the future. Realizing their nightmare isn't over, they decide to stop running and focus on preventing the birth of Skynet. With the aid of Cameron Phillips, a beautiful girl who has a mysterious past also linked to the future, they begin a quest to stop the United States military from creating the program that will bring humanity to an end.

Just watched the first ep and this looks like it's going to be an awesome kick-ass show. All the main characters are done really well and don't feel tacky at all. Really love Lena Heady as Sarah. Apart from being gorgeous, she suits the role perfectly. Summer Glua (River from Firefly) plays the "good" terminator sent back to help Sarah and John take down Skynet plus she also beats the s*** out of robots and people along the way.

The show is set after the events of T2 and by the end of the ep it ends ahead of T3 with the use of time travel. So I guess they've done it that way so it doesn't ruin the continuity between the films and when you're dealing with time travel anything is possible so it's best not to dwell on it. Anyway, looking forward to the next ep and I really hope this show does well because it has the potential to be very awesome indeed.

http://www.members.optushome.com.au/gpahl/sarah01.jpg

no arnie = no care

I thought it was ok, nothing Special. Gonna watch it to fill in time though.
Summer Glua is hot.

is it any better than the pre-air, cause that was horrible...

I think they only changed 1 Character, I didn't see pre-air but from what i read it's a little better, but not by much.

jebuz just leave the franchise alone ffs.

So I guess they've done it that way so it doesn't ruin the continuity between the films and when you're dealing with time travel anything is possible so it's best not to dwell on it.

heh yeh, strange how john connor in t3 was pretty much convinced that they'd done thier job vs skynet in t2 & was surprised when confronted by terminators again... i guesss he just forgot about this series :P but of course, it's time travel so anything is possible or at least plausable, if you're an idiot! :D

FFS!

It's a tv show you c***s! What the hell did you expect to be in the first ep? EVERYTHING!!!! And who gives a s*** about time travel anyway. We all know it's stupid. Remember when the first ep of The Office US was crap but now the show is f***ing awesome. Give it some time, geez!

8-)

ERmm Ill definately check it out! :)

Yes, 'give it some time' = 8 episodes left already, 7 after tonight.

It was alright. Will continue watching. The pre-air whiners need to get a life.

heh yeh, strange how john connor in t3 was pretty much convinced that they'd done thier job vs skynet in t2 & was surprised when confronted by terminators again... i guesss he just forgot about this series :P but of course, it's time travel so anything is possible or at least plausable, if you're an idiot! :D

Didn't you learn anything from back to the future? Since Skynet has sent back agents inbetween the T2 and T3 movies, the T3 movie and everything that happened within is now in a alternate branch of time that will never happen.

dont panic rev... i'm sure the great unwashed will watch yur s***ty show. any old crap seems to get a decent audience these days :D

The pre-air whiners need to get a life.

you mean like watching less tv? np.

Didn't you learn anything from back to the future? Since Skynet has sent back agents inbetween the T2 and T3 movies, the T3 movie and everything that happened within is now in a alternate branch of time that will never happen.

i can accept that premise... because i also think t3 should never have existed :D

(edit) for the record i thought t2 sucked as well. original terminator was the l0re.

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wow it had the biggest opening ratings of any new show in 3 years - 18.3 million viewers.

i saw the original pilot a few months ago and i enjoyed it. apparently they have changed it a bit and a new actor is the bad terminator so i will rewatch it and grab the 2nd ep tonight.

i'm going to build a robot then send it back in time and eliminate the person who green-lit this series.

I watched the preair of this a few months ago and thought it was pretty damn good. I was never really into the Terminator movies.

Interesting to know they've re-shot some of it, will have to do the same. When's it start airing in Australia?

I saw the ads for it on tv and swore at the tv. This has got to be the worst idea for a spin off EVER!

Just let it die

they are doing a t4 and an animated show. so no its not gonna die.

What they need to do is focus on teh mythology of the Terminator world, not on Sarah... some chick going around kicking ass... this isn't Buffy...

because i also think t3 should never have existed

With the exception of Whiney John Connor (Which i attribute to Whiney main characters being in vogue... George Lucas has a lot to answer for) i thought T3 was better than T2.

T2 left the universe in a state of paradox. T3 made that paradox go away again.
T2 gave us the "work hard enough and you can change anything" cliche. T3 went back to the original "sometimes all your hard work does is maintain the status quo".
T2 gave us "Man and Machine working together in gay love harmony". T3 gave us "I'm going to kill you because of that gay love later... sucka".

T3 wasn't a perfect movie by a long shot. But the terminator franchise was overall improved by its presence.

Except the plot of T3 was too similar to T2 to make it shine on it's own..
It felt like a rehash

John "I'm gonna have to teach you that stuff all over again!"

NOOOOoo motherf***er try something different!

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thanks for the heads up rev

terminator SCC S1E01 @ 100kb/s, half an hour and ill know whether its good or not =)

John "I'm gonna have to teach you that stuff all over again!"

Is that the best example you can come up with? It's been a while but my memories of the movies were that they were about as night and day as you can get for an action sequel.

And yes John Connor was a bit of a douche... but then thats probably the biggest similarity between the two..

Rev *chucks a darky*

Thought it was pretty decent for a TV show. It's at least... 100 times better than Prison Break currently.

on that note ep2 is out and also prison break returned.

prison break was totally s*** to begin with, so im laughing that its got even worse

Hmmm Most of QGL hate it, this means it's gotta be a great show.

Ep 1 & 2.

Yes it is.... loving it!

I watched ep1 and 2 last night and I think it's great!

With the exception of Whiney John Connor (Which i attribute to Whiney main characters being in vogue... George Lucas has a lot to answer for) i thought T3 was better than T2.

Yeah, I thought T3 was way better than number 2. I thought 2 was great when it came out but if I had to sit thru either one again I'd easily choose 3. Edward Furlong destroyed the sequel for me. All the way thru he's whinging and moaning and telling the robot he just can't go around killing people. Well yes he can because he's a f***ing terminator you piece of s*** little bitch Edward f*** ya. I'd like to see a new edited version of that with all the crying taken out and the action left in.

You can stop worrying if the series fits with T3, as the producers have said they're ignoring T3 in terms of the TV series' continuity.

Well thats going to confuse people, cos isn't there a Terminator 4 movie in the works that follows on from Terminator 3? Which means I guess the series is ignoring that too?

If you want to be a complete nerd about it, they're different timelines. Personally I don't give a s*** and have enjoyed the first 2 couple of eps because it's killer robots fighting each other and the kid isn't too whiney. Oh and it has Ryan O'Reily from Oz now too so it's even better.

That sounds a bit weird to me. Have they said exactly why they're ignoring Terminator 3?

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just needs some sex with the chick robot and :thumbsup: ^_^

i dled the first 2 eps... they were worse than i thought they'd be. little girl 'special model' terminators? foad.
all the cleverness that you'd hope would be included in a story with time travel is just thrown out the window... fkn half the people nowadays are from the future, in disguise or terminators waiting for thier programming to kick in... with no effect on the future at all! that's just fkn retarded.

little girl 'special model' terminators? foad.

Try and think a bit before pressing the REPLY button demon!

Terminators are assassins, designed by Skynet to infiltrate human centres and then go all spasmo and kill everyone. A cute petite chick is much more likely to succeed than a big scary eastern-european dude.

There are problems with this series but for me the bigger problem is the less convincing Sarah Connor. She's just not hard enough. In T2 she was all business, now she seems definetly softer. If they wanted to do that it should have been a character transition IMO, not from the outset.

FX are pretty good esp for a TV show. I was a bit worried that the terminators wouldn't be convincing but they're not bad.

There's not much else on at the moment so it will get a regular viewing from me :)

Have they said exactly why they're ignoring Terminator 3?

Presumably because they don't want to kill Sarah Connor off.

well it kept me pretty entertained. Something to watch for the next few months until heroes or something better comes back on =)

this looks incredibly lame

im liking it so far and will tune in for the last six eps

That sounds a bit weird to me. Have they said exactly why they're ignoring Terminator 3?

Probably because the third movie was s***... Ive started watching the show and the reason they are ignoring the third film:



SPOILERS



Because they time travel into the future to specifically avoid sarah connor dieing from cancer before they can do what ever it is they want to do in 2007 or whatever.

I dunno, im still on the fence about the show. Its not awful but I wouldnt say its amazing either. (Its better than heroes is these days :P)

In T3 we are told that Sarah dies from Cancer in 1997 and the tv show begins in 1999...

Watched them both today, they're excellent.

The Sarah Connor chick is dead on like the Linda Hamilton one. The other characters are fine, including the Terminators.

It's full of action, the exposition is interesting, and the feel of it is just like the movies.

There's a lot to appreciate if you know a lot about the Terminator stories, they revisit storylines raised in the movies a lot more than just the obvious ones.

Anyone spot the address of the shop in the 2nd one was "1337" ?

The second episode had Bra'tac!

Bra'tac is everywhere lately

Yeah, he was in Dexter too.

And his imdb doesn't even say he was in either of those!

Stupid lazy Internet!

Try and think a bit before pressing the REPLY button demon!

Terminators are assassins, designed by Skynet to infiltrate human centres and then go all spasmo and kill everyone. A cute petite chick is much more likely to succeed than a big scary eastern-european dude.

haha, what? By that logic, why send T800 models back at all in the first place? Try to think a bit before pressing the reply button!

OK, I watched this over the weekend.

First of all, its time travel - you have to suspend your disbelief about any bulls*** they come up with story wise - period. Anything to do with time travel is going to be baseline retarded to some degree - period. There's simply no way around it. The best thing you can do is not take it seriously (a la Futurama movie, Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy, etc) or just make it a subtle part of the plot and leave it at that.

Let's be honest, we could sit here all day and tear holes in this series about the time travel element/flaws in the TV show. However, in the interests of considering the other merits, let's not and say we did.

With that out of the way...

This show has a vaguely decent concept. I like the idea of Sarah and John on the run even just from the cops, let alone from other Terminators. The story of Sarah and John just trying to deal with every day life, learning what they know (in the classic "genesis" style) I reckon would be very neat.

Now, they've decided to drop in Terminators. That's cool.

The first thing I noticed was that I need to develop a new appreciation for Arnie acting as a robot, because the f***ing muppets they got to do the job here are useless. I think this is partly compounded by s***ty writting trying to inject some more character into them (eg, that teacher saying "class dismissed" - the old school T800s would never both trying such witticisms, ESPECIALLY as their mission objective was getting away).

That was the scary part about the old Terminators - the emotionless single-mindedness of the machines. Now they have these retarded human qualities - and some dog qualities? WTF is with that terminator cocking his head to the side with a quizzical expression every time he's slightly confused??

Now, the "little girl model". Clearly added as a pseudo love interest (seriously was anyone not thinking "I wonder if he's going to bone her?" as soon as she was revealed??). I'll give it a pass though because it's an intriguing idea; as Hogfather points out it is sort of logical given that they're trying to get this unit close to John without knowing where he is or anything about him (but wait, couldn't future John Connor send her back in time to a place where he knew he was- WOOPS!)

Overall its vaguely entertaining. There's too much of a departure from the "classic" Terminator look and feel for me to take this seriously. It's a little too mass market (needs more John telling Terminators to eat s***, dickwad), but that is typical of most American TV anyway so I can deal. I'll give it another couple episodes but don't think it has legs for me.

Watched the first ep last night, pretty decent IMO, lots of action/explosions/hot chicks. I so freaking knew that chick was a robot, she plays a robot somewhere else also. She just has that face/eyes that are blank and robot-like.
I laughed at the "come with me if you want to live".

(but wait, couldn't future John Connor send her back in time to a place where he knew he was- WOOPS!)

What if another robot jumped onto his timetravel portal and went back with the robot he sent back (just like the soldier did in T1)

I guess I should also add - I take s*** like this seriously because I think its grossly inappropriate of hollywood to take awesome existing franchises and storylines and just piss all over them in a half-assed effort to make money. Terminator is an epic scifi series and should be treated with respect.

Obviously that's a total pipe dream because as long as studio execs can squeeze money out of brands they own, they're going to keep doing it, regardless of any effects.

Or maybe the fans wanted it ?

think before hitting the reply buttons!? that's just crazytalk. :D

the girly terminator was introduced to the story for the usual hollywood reason of having a hot young actress to pull the nerdboys in to watch thier crappy show. that much is so obvious from the positive replies in this here thread...

pretty decent IMO, lots of action/explosions/hot chicks.

qed

not because it'd be a more effective terminator... that's just dumb... the terminators were developed (according to the original story) to infiltrate the nests of resistance fighters, not to secure a hot date. they just had to get inside n past the dogs, not stick thier tongue down yur throat. :P

anyways... my point in my previous post wasn't just that the terminator was a little girl, but that it was a 'special model' with a cute girly gui & unspecified diffences that can be slowly revealed in later episodes with the usual slow dragging out of info inherent in such drivel. & yet, strangley, for a uniques special model, no built-in weaponry or poly-metal capabilities that previous models had. it's a travesty i tells yas! ;D

The first thing I noticed was that I need to develop a new appreciation for Arnie acting as a robot, because the f***ing muppets they got to do the job here are useless. I think this is partly compounded by s***ty writting trying to inject some more character into them (eg, that teacher saying "class dismissed" - the old school T800s would never both trying such witticisms, ESPECIALLY as their mission objective was getting away).

That was the scary part about the old Terminators - the emotionless single-mindedness of the machines. Now they have these retarded human qualities - and some dog qualities? WTF is with that terminator cocking his head to the side with a quizzical expression every time he's slightly confused??

First of all, I don't think Arnie's acting is good at all. He was told to play a robot - so he played a cheesey fake sounding robot from the 50s... big f***ing deal. They picked him for the role because he ALREADY acts like a robot without even having to do any character acting. He plays a cheesed-up version of every occupation/role he's in, so of course he couldn't resist to walk all stiff and speak monotonously.

Now I am pretty sure I saw the other two Terminators from the films doing pointless physical gestures - often in response to their own thoughts, probably because the people watching the film are human and pick up on s*** like that. It's more of an artistic licence thing, I think. And I'm damn sure Arnie had cracked a few one-liners in T2 in violent situations.

I believe in scenes in Terminator 2 when either Terminator is interacting with a member of the public, there is a definite facade of 'personality' they try to put on. I don't think any of the 'bad' terminators in the show have been too human. Only the girl - and she is a cyborg that the Terminator does not recognise, so she may have been created specifically for this mission - to blend in for a long time, rather than a captured Terminator. She may have been at that school for years before John got there, waiting for him.

If they kept the Terminator girl acting like Arnie, people would think she was a s*** actor, or that the writers failed to develop her character.


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it wasn't his trap

"I was looking for you for 75 days" or something.
So it wasn't years.

I agree that Bad guys aren't 'bad' enough.

First of all, I don't think Arnie's acting was meant to appear robotic

i dunno if you meant to, but lol

Yeah I reworded that

First of all, I don't think Arnie's acting is good at all. He was told to play a robot - so he played a cheesey fake sounding robot from the 50s... big f***ing deal.

First of all, this is a cheesy sounding robot from the 50s:

http://trog.qgl.org/up/dangerdanger.jpg

This is a bad ass killing machine from the future:

http://trog.qgl.org/site/media/pics/hah/rmq2.jpg

The differences are subtle... but they're there.

They picked him for the role because he ALREADY acts like a robot without even having to do any character acting. He plays a cheesed-up version of every occupation/role he's in, so of course he couldn't resist to walk all stiff and speak monotonously.

So what you're saying is he's utterly perfect for the role and anyone else that tried would have to be really good at acting to be able to carry that off? Glad we got that straight!

I believe in scenes in Terminator 2 when either Terminator is interacting with a member of the public, there is a definite facade of 'personality' they try to put on.

There's the bit in the steelworks when the T1000 shakes his finger at Sarah, but that's pretty much it.

There's sooooooooooooooo many other examples of the T1000 just casually killing people that are even remotely in its way its not even funny though. That's why its SCARY - its total inhuman devotion to its mission and complete lack of anything resembling human emotion.

My fave example is when the T1000 assumes the body of John's foster mother. The camera is on the mother on the phone, having a conversation with John. You hear the father talk off-screen, the mother switches hands and extends a hand off screen, you hear a noise, and she keeps talking all without changing expression. At the end of the conversation the camera zooms out and you see the foster father stapled to the wall by a massive spike.

PS, f*** t2 was an awesome movie.

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haha, what? By that logic, why send T800 models back at all in the first place? Try to think a bit before pressing the reply button!

By any logic trog, T800s are redundant as terminators cf. T1000s (which I assume your are referring to). The relative abundance of 800 series suggests that Skynet doesn't have 1000s just lying about.

The entire point of Terminators is to infiltrate and destroy humans. There is no reason to build them otherwise.

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By any logic trog, T800s are redundant as terminators cf. T1000s (which I assume your are referring to).

I am not sure how you came to that conclusion. All evidence points to the fact that the T800 is superior to the T1000 (see: Terminator 2)!

My fave example is when the T1000 assumes the body of John's foster mother. The camera is on the mother on the phone, having a conversation with John. You hear the father talk off-screen, the mother switches hands and extends a hand off screen, you hear a noise, and she keeps talking all without changing expression. At the end of the conversation the camera zooms out and you see the foster father stapled to the wall by a massive spike.

Yeah but to get into that position the Terminator would have had to impersonate the woman, so they must have some sense of how to emulate a person's behaviour. I'm thinking in particular when the T1000 is pretending to be a cop, and the foster mum asks if she should be concerned about the 'big guy' (Arnie), I'm pretty sure the T1000's reaction here is very human, he kind of has a surprised look and his face, and he tries to be all polite to the lady, etc... it's all there...

Also if you freeze frame the bit where the T1000 comes out of the time portal thing, you can see his junk.

All evidence points to the fact that the is superior to the T1000

The T800/850/101/whatever it's called, had help from Sarah and John in T2. They both have different strengths and weaknesses and the outcome of a 1v1 battle would clearly differ depending on the environment that the fight took place in </nerd>

Also, they're both initially designed to kill humans and I reckon you could confidently say that the T-1000 is a superior design for that purpose.

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Also, they're both initially designed to kill humans and I reckon you could confidently say that the T-1000 is a superior design for that purpose.

Maybe in OUR time; maybe in the future they have weapons that can take them apart in a matter of seconds! Future John should have sent some of those back with the T800!

Oh, wait, you can't do that. They'd have to do something stupid like send a human back in time even further and have them build the weapons from scra- oh

In T3 we are told that Sarah dies from Cancer in 1997 and the tv show begins in 1999...

Just one of the mysteries brought up in the first few episodes..

Also, I hated the Terminator movies, but still thought the first few eps were pretty good.

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Anyone still watching this show?

Just finished checking out ep 5 and 6 and god damn ep 6 was awesome. At ep 4 I was hoping it would start to pick up a bit and have more action and storyline and thank alah it has. Ep 5 was good but ep 6 was really f***ing cool. Cutting back and forth between the future and present was finally worth the wait. And I really think bringing Ryan O'Reily back into things was a great move. It would be dumb not to keep him around full time I reckon.

Can't wait for next weeks ep.

yeah I've been watching it, not too bad really

yea its dam good shizzal Revizzal

In T3 we are told that Sarah dies from Cancer in 1997 and the tv show begins in 1999...


Just one of the mysteries brought up in the first few episodes..

Also, I hated the Terminator movies, but still thought the first few eps were pretty good.

i thought the tv show started in 1997 or maybe it was abit earlier and they traveled into the future past the date she was due to die...
i seriously doubt the writers would ignore the backstory and lore that much to neglect a date so significant.

personally i thought the show would of been better if it was set right after john was born between t1 and t2 at the mexican camps out running the law and then eventually being camptured and put into a mental hospitol, ignoring all the terminator s*** and being hunted crap

So you want a Terminator show but without the robots? That would be f***ing s***!

unlike you juarez monkehs in here i'm watching this on TV and last nights episode was absolute BOLLOCKS.

Especially the part where sarah conner slaps summer glau and summer reacted to it. I'm pretty f***ing sure if a human slaps a terminator they're going to
a) not be phased by it and move their head
b) go into some sort of self protection mode since she's taking orders from future john and not the present day john and sarah and throw sarah conner out the window and
c) break every bone in conners' hand with her f***ING METAL SKULL.

Also don't terminators weight a tonne? How did a normal computer chair hold her weight and allow sarah to push summer out the window?

What next? john and whatsherface havin a shag on the front lawn?





The tv show producers should now go on strike in order to get writers to not suck at writing stuff since they're being paid more for future royalties.

As I've pointed out before, the producers have stated they're ignoring T3 in terms of continuity. Hence Sarah is alive.

gragonus think about it this way; they could have made the show all realistic and dragged out for fanboys, or they could make it all exciting with killer robots in every episode...

There better be some hot terminator sex and she better be "equipped" with some advanced pleasuring attachments or everyone should be bitterly dissapointed!

I personally don't even consider the show along the continuity of the first 2 (maybe 3?) movies at all and just enjoy it as a new show "based on" an old franchise.
It is much more enjoyable that way as they butcher some of the cooler s*** about the movies.

Also don't terminators weight a tonne? How did a normal computer chair hold her weight and allow sarah to push summer out the window?

they rode motorcycles in T2. why would they weigh a lot? wouldn't that make it stupid easy to detect a terminator, just get them to stand on a balance at the door of a secret rebel base. so no, that'd be stupid to have them weigh a tonne.

how is it that the society of the future was technically advanced enough to build a time machine, yet couldnt knock together an EMP?

I just remember in t3 2 firefighters couldn't lift arnie yet a scrawny woman and a kid who looks like he couldn't lift a real girl let alone one made of metal lift the summernator (as I will now call her). I know they're ignoring the story line of t3 in terms of events, but you'd think a thing like weight wouldn't be included in that.

It's retarded little things like that that screw tv shows up. If it were a totally different show with completely different characters and no link to the movies at all other than hey the world ends and we all get pounded in the ass by our own robots we made to do our bidding then fine.

I just remember in t3 2 firefighters couldn't lift arnie yet a scrawny woman and a kid who looks like he couldn't lift a real girl let alone one made of metal lift the summernator (as I will now call her). I know they're ignoring the story line of t3 in terms of events, but you'd think a thing like weight wouldn't be included in that.

T3 is being ignored because it was s***. it was completely inconsistent with the previous two movies.

- apparently terminators weigh heaps (fire fighters can't lift arnie) yet he rode around on a normal motor bike in t1/t2. he also road around in a car without it dropping down on one side in t1/t2/t3.

- apparently t800s have explosive power supplies in them. yet in t1 and t2 they can be destroyed without exploding.

the list could go on but i only watched the movie once, and don't want to revisit it.

so in other words t3 is like the matrix revolutions or starship troopers 2? no one will admit it exists? :)

theres a sequel to starship troopers?

haha, yeah. it went straight to video like t3 should have.

theres a sequel to starship troopers?

For the sake of your sanity, and the people that love you; do not watch the sequel. Just don't.

how is it that the society of the future was technically advanced enough to build a time machine, yet couldnt knock together an EMP?

they didnt build it, the robots did.

Episode one of season 2 is out.

Some good s*** right there!

Yeah watching the first season now. Heard some good things about it but never sit down and watch an entire Season in sequent.

/thread derailment, Fringe should be awesome tho.

lols, summernator. i think xkcd is right.
also, bit gay to start off with, but really like how certain things are turning out like Spoiler:
cameron dancing in her room, just for herself
and the near-closing sequence for the season finale set to When The Man Comes Around by johnny cash was really well done.
*downloads S02E01*

hahah something tells me thats not the first time shirley manson has had a golden shower

shes one ugly bitch and cant act for s***.

lol summernator

i think the correct term is Taminator

Cool ep but that red head chick needs to morph into something better looking.

river showing emotion when she didn't want to get turned off was gay.

also why is the fugly chick from garbage in it now???

its so she can later form the band wild stallions and take over the world

Horrible, just horrible...

Shirley Manson's character, the T-1001 is f***ing annoying.

river showing emotion when she didn't want to get turned off was gay.

It was her programming running in self defense mode - and some of the best acting I've seen in that show imo.

Agreeing that new bad woman is terrible. I felt silly though because I was cringing at what I thought was a bad attempt at a Scottish accent only to find out later that it was Shirley. Hopefully the T-1000 takes on a less grotesque form before too long.

didn't the intro say she was a guest star?

I thought her name was just added onto the end of the list of actors like a regular actor.

river showing emotion when she didn't want to get turned off was gay.

No way, I thought that was awesome. As mentioned above, it was her doing the only thing she could in the situation to avoid being deactivated. Unless of course she was being genuine, because as we saw at the end, she's now able to make her own choices, despite being originally programmed to kill John.

Shirley Manson's character, the T-1001 is f***ing annoying.

f***in oath, I hope this season picks up a bit...that ep was kinda meh :S

Disappointed that she said "Call to him" and not "Call to John"

FUN FACT:

I heard a rumour that FrozenPea is buying that lifesize T800 replica thing at Chermside

rad



edit: actually thats more of a fun rumour

But it is a fact that you heard the rumour.

this is true

hes moved on from little boys?

Unless of course she was being genuine, because as we saw at the end, she's now able to make her own choices, despite being originally programmed to kill John.

Ner, it was a program - if you remember right back to the very first ep, Cameron was all perky and teenybopper to identify John, and then switched programming..