FFS this is s***ting me off. I just got a LG 22" widescreen monitor and for all I know, an nVidia 7800GS (AGP) should definitely be able to handle that + a 19" Dell 1280x1024 at once. 720p video in fullscreen is fine for whatever reason but windowed it lags.

But even though this has been a very minor problem since I got the card, its now become much worse with the addition of the extra screen space.

Desktop (2D drawing) performance on this card is s***house. When I flick to a different tab in opera maximised i can see it very quickly but quite noticably 'wipe' the window contents down the screen.

The odd thing is that 3D performance is as good as I thought it would be. How can a yesteryear powerhouse suck at 2D performance yet deliver all the bells and whistles in 3D?

Only now has it become quite noticable. I've tried googling 10s of different phrases to do with this but nothing comes up.

Ages ago I contacted nVidia who told me to contact Albatron so I did... twice... and they didnt answer to both.

I might flick one off to nVidia. And as a matter of fact, my ye old 9700PRO actually s***s on this in 2D performance. Window drawing was instant on that card, but on this it just seems to struggle not to mention in Flash etc.

P.S. I just turned on fast-writes and its even slower. The mouse also lags when its trying to draw large sections of the screen too.

This is on:
A64 3000+ (2ghz)
VIA K8M800
1Gb DDR400
GeForce 7800GS AGP running 163.71 ForceWare.
XP Pro SP2 with all updates etc approx 25 processes running.

Never enable fast-writes. Ever.

I'd seen the exact problem you're talking about on a mate's laptop, and it happened when he'd just formatted his PC, and just used the crappy default drivers for his videocard instead of the nVidia ones. Tried removing the drivers completely (with driver cleaner, etc.) and reinstalling them?

install the via 4 in 1 drivers for your motherboard

yer, make sure via drivers are up to date and vid card drivers

Ive formatted since getting the card ages ago (it was doing it before hand also) and I also just uninstalled in safe-mode + updated to the latest 163.75 drivers. All drivers I should have intaled are installed.

My BIOS has:
Fast-writes
Read/Write 1 MS or WS or somethingg (whatevrr that is).

Ive tried a combination of both off and on to no avail.

I just ran HL2 to make sure I was right about the 3D. Ran it at 1680x1050 with max settings (med textures tho) and 4xAA and 8xAF on and ran about 50fps which is perfectly fine.

But yeh I can see it painting 2-3 chunks of the window very quickly. I was about to send an email detailing everything to Albatron and THE POWER WENT OFF right before I frucking hit Send FFFFFSSSSSSS

I was about to send an email detailing everything to Albatron and THE POWER WENT OFF right before I frucking hit Send FFFFFSSSSSSS

This is why you should be using Gmail.

All drivers I should have intaled are installed.

windows won't tell you you need to install the 4in1's it'll use its own s*** drivers, my friends pc had speed issues, we installed the 4in1's and now it's 10x faster loading games. It used to literally take 5 minutes to load crysis, I didn't believe him at first and then I saw it with my own eyes, run the exe and 5 minutes or more later the game would start. Windows performance was pisspoor too.

ignore this post if you did indeed install them even without windows prompting you to do so.

This is why you should be using Gmail.

everyone should be using gmail

Try newer *and* older NVIDIA and VIA drivers.
Sometimes you'll hit a combination that has freakishly poor performance for no apparent reason - this may be your problem.
Could also be the driver didn't quite install properly - I had this myself recently, and uninstalling/reinstalling the driver fixed it.

lol, Nick man; I remember you having this issue since when you first got the card :)

but f*** did it play Oblivion well :)

windows won't tell you you need to install the 4in1's it'll use its own s*** drivers, my friends pc had speed issues, we installed the 4in1's and now it's 10x faster loading games.

Yes I did install them. Always have.



Hmmm well this is quite interesting. It seems my bitmap blitting is running like a 486.

This is my score:

BitBlt:
avg: 43.6 fps [51.1 MB/sec]
max: 48.2 fps [56.5 MB/sec]
min: 39.1 fps [45.8 MB/sec]

ReverseBlt:
avg: 106.0 fps [124.2 MB/sec]
max: 109.3 fps [128.0 MB/sec]
min: 88.1 fps [103.3 MB/sec]

This is the score for an 8800GTS

BitBlt:
avg: 1093.9 fps [1281.9 MB/sec]
max: 2336.5 fps [2738.1 MB/sec]
min: 88.1 fps [103.2 MB/sec]

ReverseBlt:
avg: 893.7 fps [1047.3 MB/sec]
max: 1124.2 fps [1317.5 MB/sec]
min: 480.7 fps [563.3 MB/sec]

I'm going to see if I can track some late 9x drivers down. Google has hinted that 1xx can fk some peoples card's performance.

Wow, you won't need a program that slows down ur pc to play older games now, ur pc already comes slowed down...

Make the most of it and hit up those dos games :).

Haha this is rediculous. So I uninstalled the 163s and did the blt test without drivers (VgaSave) and got only 10mb/s less. haha wtf

ERRRR So I go to install the 97.78 drivers and now Windows doesn't recognize my video card. it says (Default Monitor) on [nothing].

Just trying to install windows stock drivers doesnt work. The nVidia setup program tells me theres no drivers that are compatible with my device.

Ive rebooted and still the same.


WTF THIS IS s*** AND IM TOO POOR TO UPGRADE GRRRRR

His Page File is on a different Drive to his OS.

When i got a new 500 GB HDD, I changed PF to that as I was running low on OS drive for space, ever since I did that; I experienced massive 2D performance LAG, scrolling was like a paint show, ect was soooo bad.

I thought it would speed it up a bit, but apparently not; spoke to a friend who is a teky and he basically said wtf man, PF stays on OS drive, put it back; 2D performance returned to normal.

Dn why I didn't think of it earlier, but give it a shot brah!.

splitting your outgoing video feed across 2 monitors effectively halves the performance of your NVidia card... ~50% of gpu and memory resources goto each port. running each output (monitor port) at different resolutions creates more work for your card as it compensates for the slower port (the one with more detailed output) in an effort to try and keep things looking smooth across both montiors.

having drivers loaded that support the OpenGL api can effectively halve that again.

how much ram is on your card? just how good is the card in the first place? I can't remember if the 7800's came in the crappy 64 and 128bit varients. both are to be avoided like the plague if you intend to use multi-monitors or doing any competitive gaming at decent resolutions

won't someone please think of the high-def pr0n !!

last edited by koopz at 19:38:20 16/Dec/07

VIA K8M800

whoops.. dunno how I missed that.

end of line

256MB 256-bit memory bus with theoretical speed of 39GB/s so that shouldnt be a problem.

VIA K8M800

Yeh next upgrade I do (which will be CPU, RAM, video card and Mobo minimum) will be a decent 300+ mobo coz Im sick of having s***all money to buy decent upgrades. I.E not enough money to go to pci-e AND buy a new video card, so I had to go for an AGP one that supported my Radeon until I could upgrade then the 7800GS came along.

BUT on this mobo though, my Radeon ran perfect. 2D speed was normal not like this s***ty thing.

splitting your outgoing video feed across 2 monitors effectively halves the performance of your NVidia card... ~50% of gpu and memory resources goto each port. running each output (monitor port) at different resolutions creates more work for your card as it compensates for the slower port (the one with more detailed output) in an effort to try and keep things looking smooth across both montiors.

It seems to run exactly the same in games though! No performance hit since adding the new monitor.

Somethings wrong with the pssibly the video card BIOS or just a piss poor implementation of the BitBlt blitting functions as apparently its hardware specific.

last edited by 3dee at 20:32:22 16/Dec/07

having drivers loaded that support the OpenGL api can effectively halve that again.

try the crappy MS-auto update driver.

I have the feeling it'll hit the mark for ya even though it'll sacrifice OpenGL ability.

Via does some pretty stupid things when it comes to load balancing, and yeah - that's saying a lot considering how awesome those C3 processors are (for the 99% of pc users who aren't gamers). I suppose it's kinda like arguing the point of an electric car on today's market. Sure it's an awesome idea.. but the big boys will kill it off if they can to save their biz model in the process


last edited by koopz at 20:45:39 16/Dec/07

try the crappy MS-auto update driver.

I have the feeling it'll hit the mark for ya even though it'll sacrifice OpenGL ability.

Yeh about that.. I acutallt tried that and it couldnt figure out what my card was. I tried the 94.24 drivers from Albatron's website and they worked but nothing different.

Its kinda odd that the 97.78 drivers DONT recoginize my card..

well that sucks..

I guess the closest you'll get is setting hardware acceleration down step by step

do you game on this setup 3dee?

yeh i do. thats the whole thing. gaming is perfectly fine and reasonably fast (it aint no 8800 or anthing). I can run Crysis on medium @ 1024 on my pc at mostly playable speeds. But destop 'painting' is shockingly slow.

As a matter of fact, I tested my dad's Core 2 Duo E6420 + Radeon 9200 system and it got roughyl 700mb/s blit! WTF mine is over 10 times slower in 2D than a s***ty 9200

my Dad said something that's stuck with me ever since I was a little kid:

computers are just stupid machines boy - they'll only ever do what *you* tell them to

in this situation, I'm thinking that your 78 has very limited 2D performance given the drivers that (seem) have been written for it. Some time and effort will be required to sort out what driver will work equally for both 2D and 3D performance.. in fact I'm keen to hear about what 3rd party drivers are availably for the 78 should a customer ring up tomorrow and ask for an 'edumakated' opinion..!

it's often said that in the concert of life, no one gets a program.

my hat goes off to you on this one 3dee.. I know you'll turn this into a win, and I wish I could watch it happen, just for curiousity's sake.

last edited by koopz at 22:38:01 16/Dec/07

Haha cheers lol. Yeh I'm hoping that I'll win this by getting a shiny new 8800GT!

The only thing I can think of is faulty 2D hardware/video bios.

splitting your outgoing video feed across 2 monitors effectively halves the performance of your NVidia card... ~50% of gpu and memory resources goto each port. running each output (monitor port) at different resolutions creates more work for your card as it compensates for the slower port (the one with more detailed output) in an effort to try and keep things looking smooth across both montiors.

thats a fair point... untill you realise that a GF5200 can support that sort of screen and not have this "laggy" problem.

i hate installing / reinstalling video drivers. if you don't install the drivers that came with the card first your computer won't detect what device it is. which is pretty gay.

just a point, but to work out if its hardware or not, see if you can get a crappy nvidia card and run your computer off that. alternitavly you could install linux, install some linux video drivers (have fun) and see if you observe the same "slow" drawing on the screen.

Re-install is what I would be doing.

Well I've A) reinstalled a variety of drivers B) reinstalled Windows twice since I got the card.

So the best thing would be to borrow someones AGP card to see if the bus is not fugzord.