From SMH

Almost two-thirds of the 2810 respondents (63 per cent) believed obese people should be charged for an additional seat, answering that they did not want to share the seat they had paid for.

Thirty five per cent were more sympathetic, voting that excessively overweight people should not be penalised for their size.

What do you think?

Fatties should pay for two seats since they take up two. It's uncomfortable to be shoved next to an obese person for hours on end and you're crammed up into the corner of your seat trying to gasp for air.

It's better for all if they just officially took up the two seats that they really are using.

If air planes start selling space on their planes by volume or even square cm's then sure.

But as long as they are selling it per passenger...

obes, they already sell per seat not per passenger. you can already buy extra seats for other things if you need to.

so if the person is taking up more then 1 seat, why shouldn't they pay for the second?

nup don't agree. whether it's on a plane or a bus or a train or whatever public transport... sometimes you get a bum deal n get stuck next to a fatty or a mum with a noisy baby or a smelly fukr or whatever... harden up n accept it.

I agree ara. If a person wants to purchase the smallest seat on a plane (economy) and cant fit, therefore encroaching on space I paid just as much for, I should not have to put up with it and they should have to purchase adequate space for themselves. It's only polite.
Also, they keep putting up the costs citing fuel prices, and limit your luggage weight. They should introduce an "overall weight limit" that takes yourself + your luggage into concideration.

mum with a noisy baby

That would be the worst. I can't stand it when parents have screaming kids and don't make an effort to leave the shop or whatever. A plane I guess would be harder.

nup don't agree. whether it's on a plane or a bus or a train or whatever public transport... sometimes you get a bum deal n get stuck next to a fatty or a mum with a noisy baby or a smelly fukr or whatever... harden up n accept it.

That's all good for public transport because you can get up and move around. Except on a plane you have allocated seating and you're encrouaged to be in your seat at all times. Noisy baby, smelly f***er, etc are tolerable but a fatty who's got half his body on your leg is not.

if there are free seats you can still move around on a plane (which is public transport). i admit i have never been stuck with someone that overflowed thier seat... i guess it would depend on how much overlap there was. i have been put next to a pretty big guy once that only just fit in his seat & would've been hard to get past but luckily he moved to some free seats to lie down... should he have paid extra for that!? ;p

That would be the worst. I can't stand it when parents have screaming kids and don't make an effort to leave the shop or whatever. A plane I guess would be harder.

if you truely wanna experience in-flight agony... try getting stuck in a row, window seat, sitting next to 3 indian mothers all nursing screaming brats! i would rather fold up the chair arm... let a 10ton fatty have both seats & sit on top of him like a beanbag than experience that again! ;)

agree. its bad enough sitting next to a healthy sized person.

im a fat guy myself and I agree that we should

I dunno. Where do you draw the line?

Should kids be charged less because they only take up half the seat width. Should there be some system in place that guauges the ass-width of all passengers and seats them optimally around the plane.

Should tall people be charged more for taking up more space, or less for enduring the cramped conditions. Hell, I don't even fit comfortably into an airline seat and I'm only 183cm. Must be torture for taller peeps.

If they're taking up space that someone else paid for, then yes, they should pay extra.

If it's a flight where the plane is only half full or something, then just don't seat them next to someone else, and charge them once.

Must be torture for taller peeps.

It can be. I'm 196cm, so I usually get offered the emergency exit isle, but if I don't, it's incredibly uncomfortable. I wouldn't expect to be charged less for that though.

last edited by Midda at 16:36:05 11/Dec/07

nup... if you are taking the space of another person you should be charged for and allocated 2 seats instead.
if you're not negatively affecting another paying passengers space allocation then you pay the same.

I think they should make the seats bigger.

i always try to get the aisle seat otherwise its too damn uncomfortable.

i always try to get the aisle seat otherwise its too damn uncomfortable.

Yeah but then the mofos constantly bump into your knee or run over your foot with their trolleys. :(

I'd prefer to sit next to one-armed people all the time so they're not overflowing into my arm rest. Is there an option to get the seat next to the one-armed passengers when booking yet?

I'm tall (210cm~) and I'd pay extra for extra leg room
If I was 210kg instead I'd be happy to pay for extra fat room, it would be only fair

You should have to pay for the number of seats you take up, rounded up. So if you take up less than one seat, you should still have to pay for the whole seat. If you take up 1.1 seats, you should still have to pay for 2. etc.

OR

The airline should be forced to allocate 2 seats / fatty and whether or not fatty has to pay can be up to whoever the f*** wants to sort it out. The point is that every single person should at least get the seat they payed for. (not less)

haha i read it as 'obes should buy two plane seats'

Yeah but then the mofos constantly bump into your knee or run over your foot with their trolleys.

never happened to me. but i also sit at aisle so i dont have to climb over people to go to the toilet and i like to get up and walk around the plane for a bit to stretch my legs.

last edited by ravn0s at 16:56:16 11/Dec/07

I hate people who dominate the arm rest.

You should have to pay for the number of seats you take up, rounded up. So if you take up less than one seat, you should still have to pay for the whole seat. If you take up 1.1 seats, you should still have to pay for 2. etc.

Here's the problems I can think of off the top of my head:

1) How do you measure this? I've seen fat people wedge their asses into seats (literally, wedge) but not overflow into the other seat. Is the extra .1 some sort of overflow into the other seat? If so, where is it measured - below the armrest, or above it (or some combination of the two)? Is it volume-based, or is it distance based? How does this compare to a taller person with bigger arms who might intrude on just as much of your air space?

2) Airline tickets are often bought in advance, online. The screening process for this then would clearly have to happen once everyone has boarded (except in the rare case where someone buys a ticket from an airline desk, or if they change the entire ticket-buying process so travel agents have to measure you for seat-suitability). What happens in a short flight with lots of fatties? They wouldn't have time to measure them all! And then how do they make them pay - just send them a bill?

The only way for such a system to work is to only limit it to TRULY obese people that CLEARLY require 2 seats to sit in their seat (although what this does for seatbelt requirements I don't know, are they even log enough to stretch that far?), and the onus on them has to be to make this information available at the time of their booking. If they do, and the airline has an "obese-friendly" policy, maybe they'll assign two seats to the person if the flight is unlikely to be fully booked or upgrade them to business or something (hah).

If they don't have an "obese-friendly" policy then they'll just have to say "unfortunately due to you requirement 2x the space, you'll be charged an extra fee of (x)".

If obese people do NOT pre-announce their condition, and the airline people realise that when this person is boarding, they're unlikely to fit in their seat, they have to be nazi about it and tell them that they'll have to wait until everyone has boarded - there'd prolly have to bear pretty strict process around this to avoid humiliating the person.

I've flown a lot in the last year or so and have sat next to just about every sort of person; I'm equally annoyed by the armrest hog as I am the obese person and the screaming baby. Face it - flying just sucks balls when you travel economy class. It's always going to suck as long as they're trying to cram people in.

^ I skimmed through your post and I thought, they are f***ing Nazis about so many things like arriving on time, NOT TAKING A f***ING WATER BOTTLE onto the plane, I think this is hardly an imposition.

I have a friend with a large mother and for as long as I've known him she has always paid for the extra seat voluntarily.

You should have to pay for the number of seats you take up, rounded up. So if you take up less than one seat, you should still have to pay for the whole seat. If you take up 1.1 seats, you should still have to pay for 2. etc.

AGREE COMPLETELY.

Last time I flew to Perth I was wedged between two massive fatties, who dominated the arm rests on either side, arms were spilling over into my space, legs were pushing up against mine in my space. I had to squeeze my shoulders and legs in together for the 5.5 hour flight. I felt like I couldn't get up cause one of the dudes HAD to get up also to make enough room and he nearly had a heartattack doing so.

Oh yeah, and they smelt like cheese. Old cheese. And made wheezy noises and coughed a lot. When the food came they put their tuckshop lady arms up in the air, elbows out, so they could operate the cutlery - so I had almost no room at all.

So yep, my word they should have been forced to pay for extra seats. Or the airline could put in some fatty seats that are wider. Whatever. Just don't make me go through that again.

I got wedged between a mother/daughter fat couple that blatently should have paid for the seat between them... on the plus side though, I didn't require a blanket or pillow as nature + gravity took care of that for me :p

I'm also a supporter of child-free flights (this includes but is not limited to babies and school groups) or at least a sound-proofed section that puts all the breeders down the back end of the plane (yes, parents should suffer for their choice to pro-create and sit down there too).

I'd happily pay a little extra for that sort of convenience. :)

they should just have a fat allocation, if you're over a BMI of 30 you have to buy a ticket a fat row.
This row mind you, should be the very last row, where the seats are bigger/wider/stronger
cause lets face it, fatties dont move very fast and thats the last thing you want when departing a plane

oh and BMI would work well cause it's a good ratio for most people, if you're 5'10 and 200kg, you're fat
if you're 10ft tall and 200kg, you're probably not

Make seats bigger. I hate train seats where you have 2 sets that face each other. Having your legs inside another mans is just awkward for everyone involved.

well if the seats are bigger then everyone will wear extra cost

Also, this thread title looks like it's saying Obes should buy two plane seats.

if you're 10ft tall and 200kg, you're probably not

you think a 10ft tall person won't overflow into your space?

They should charge based on weight like they do with luggage. It's simple bundynomics. The more you weigh, the more fuel you're going to cause the plane to use, the same logic they give for paying extra for heavy bags.

last edited by Nailbomb at 17:22:46 11/Dec/07

I hate people who dominate the arm rest.

so harden the f*** up and dominate them back

What is unwritten rules for the arm rest? If I sit down first I say f*** off it's mine. I have always wondered how other people handle this situation. Do you share the arm rest?

should really skinny people pay less?

I'm a dominator, so I wouldn't know
sometimes being a huge mother f***er has its benefits

i had to fly back from cairns with a MASSIVE FATTY sitting next to me, overflowing into my seat

it was lucky i was flying with petal, coz i made her swap with me so i had a nice comfy window;

f*** yer, fatties can pay for taking up too much space;

I think the other 35% were fatties.

haha i read it as 'obes should buy two plane seats'

haha came here to make this joke

they should sit all the fatty's next to each other. and leave us normal people to enjoy our space.

(although what this does for seatbelt requirements I don't know, are they even log enough to stretch that far?)

They have extender-belts, I saw this dude in a row in front of me get one. Clearly embarassing for him but if he said "HEY IM A FAT f*** I NEED MORE ROOM" then they could've have prepared this instead of wandering up the aisle with it and handing it to him.

Busses are a massive different to planes.. busses are what.. 5-40min? planes... 1-22hrs?

If a person takes up more then 1 seat, encroaching on anothers and thus giving the other person less room.. it's fair for the guy that gets jipped?

People should pay for what they use, if u use 1.5 seats u should pay for 2 since the other person is getting a raw deal.

i don't think i've ever shared the arm rest... even if i go to the movies or something with a girl i dominate that mofo

i use their leg as my arm rest (if i go with a girl)

I am only 180odd cm and the last domestic flight I was on was Jetstar and I managed to score the non-reclining seats in front of the the emergency exit... that f***ing sucked ass even for only 2 hours!

I dunno. Where do you draw the line?

Space A Costs $
You can only buy Space in Blocks, How much of that block you use is up to you.

If you need to buy 2 blocks to fit yourself in then you pay $ x2

i want to be more sympathetic, but i just cannt stop hating when a fat guy sits besides me n takes up much of my place :(

saying "should skinny people pay less!?!" is a retarded argument.
fattys, mutants, disabled people - whatever. if you take up more than one seat you should definitely have to pay for another.

haha came here to make this joke

ditto

I had a 13 hour flight from Santiago to NZ, and me and my gf got a whole row of 4 seats to ourselves.

Most comfy flight ever, altho im 200cm so that isnt saying much.

This has little/nothing to do with the discussion.

i think you should be more worried about barrel chested he men who have there arms all over the place

ps if u dont fit in the chair just go business/first class

^ twice the price and lets face it, the last thing fat people need is more free food

also on a flight to US or back (cant remeber) i had to sit on a bulkhead seat (no legroom) and then just as i was thinking how s*** the flight was going to be they hook in a baby capsule which is all the way into my space.. so not only could i not strech my legs forward but i couldnt lift them cause i had a basanet 2 inchs above my knees.. o and then the best bit.. the f***in baby cried the whole trip

just harden the f*** up u slags

happy days

fatties should pay for the entire row

the best seats are at the back or right at an emergency door. theres tons of leg room.

If you take up more than one seat's-worth of room (which are measured to be "average", so it's not like they were out to get obese people) then you should damn well pay for it.

If it were two seperate people they'd have to buy two seats, so why not the same for someone who takes up as much room as two people?

Alternatively, "fat people" seats up the back do sound good... but I suspect some would cry segregation a la black Americans (and the whole "You sit at the back of the bus, white people sit at the front").

It *is* tolerable on trains/buses, but only just. It strikes me as somewhat unfair that I have to share a seat I paid for, regardless of the service.

last edited by amyescence at 20:54:57 11/Dec/07

Fatties should pay for two seats since they take up two. It's uncomfortable to be shoved next to an obese person for hours on end and you're crammed up into the corner of your seat trying to gasp for air.

It's better for all if they just officially took up the two seats that they really are using.

Now you just gotta convince the boss man to pay for that extra seat when you fly interstate! :D

haha i read it as 'obes should buy two plane seats'

Hahaha this isn't getting enough love.

It's uncomfortable to be shoved next to an obese person for hours on end and you're crammed up into the corner of your seat trying to gasp for air.

try being stuck between 2 fatties and having a little s*** of a kid behind you thinking it's fun to kick you seat. and to top it off, 3 wailing infants in the same cabin. Joy...

where do you draw the line though?

I think it'd be a 'nice' thing to have however it's not really necessary unless they are REALLY obese. For some people their size is genetic and for others its laziness. Should you distinguish between these people?

I'm not a big person so I don't mind too much. Providing I can get to my destination I'm not really that phased.

where do you draw the line though?

Between individual seats.

^^ exactly.

I think it'd be a 'nice' thing to have however it's not really necessary unless they are REALLY obese. For some people their size is genetic and for others its laziness. Should you distinguish between these people?

No, whatever reason, they fill it, they pay it.

Last flight I went on, I was wedged between 2 fat men. Lucky I'm wafer thin.

Still wasn't nice though, they stunk :(

Two fat chicks though, now you're talking... would of been a 3some for sure.

i read the title as

Obes should buy two plane seats: survey

and i was like why Obes? Why does he need two plane seats?

Try flying to Sweden:
# 1.5 hours to Sydney (no break)
# 8 hours to Singapore (45 min break)
# 14 hours to Heathrow (1 hr break)
# 1.5 hours to Copenhagen
# 15 min train trip into Malmo, Sweden

Flying cockroach class sucked hard enough, but thank god I had no fatties 'flowing' into my seat. I'm 188cm for the record & am skinny as.

I'd pay extra not to sit next to this guy.

http://users.bigpond.net.au/et/images/fatplane.jpg

or this one.


http://users.bigpond.net.au/et/images/Fat-Guy-in-Chair.jpg

i had to sit on a bulkhead seat

I had that on a flight back from Japan and it sucked! I actually had specifically asked for an exit row, because I'd had one on the way over for the first time and it was awesome cuz I was in the aisle. So when I asked for one again on the trip back, I was stoked that I got one - until I sat in it against the f***ing wall and couldn't move.

Fortunately, noone was in the seat next to me, so I was like, "awesome, I can just spread out over 2 seats". Just before take off though this dude behind me asks the stewardess if anyone is sitting there and she says no, he asks to move and she's like "no worries" - it was this like 7 foot tall MASSIVE BLACK DUDE, who was a US Marine. So there I was, squished up against the wall and between this guy who was like 100kg of solid muscle.

how about this:

fat people in the cargo hold and leave the seats for normal people?

you felt his muscle???

I'd happily pay a little extra for that sort of convenience. :)

yep

I don't mind the screaming kid thing.. traveling in public buses/planes/trains over 30 years has taught me to take walkman/ipod/laptop and headphones with me.

I'll never fly Jetstar again though... unless they have a biz class now. they really are pov the way they jam people in there like sardines

Fortunately, noone was in the seat next to me, so I was like, "awesome, I can just spread out over 2 seats". Just before take off though this dude behind me asks the stewardess if anyone is sitting there and she says no, he asks to move and she's like "no worries" - it was this like 7 foot tall MASSIVE BLACK DUDE, who was a US Marine. So there I was, squished up against the wall and between this guy who was like 100kg of solid muscle.

you should have just taken the seat yourself

I reckon those other 37% of people surveyed should get on a treadmill.

i agree, black people should pay more for seats to make up for all the 10 year old rape they get away with

haha i read it as 'obes should buy two plane seats'

haha same

haha i read it as 'obes should buy two plane seats'

Funny, so did I and I though, WTF, you cant say that! He'll take you out with a kick to head bra :)

I'm tall (210cm~) and I'd pay extra for extra leg room

It's called Business class, or Economy plus.

Firstly, I'm a large guy.. 6'2, very broad shoulders and yes, I'm overweight.

Having said that, I still manage to fit myself into an airplane seat (with the exception of my shoulders which tend to be broader than the seat). As such, I try to make sure I get an aisle seat, so that I can lean out into the aisle so that I'm not impinging on the space bought and paid for by the passenger sitting next to me.

Yes, I risk having my shoulder rammed by trolley-wielding fiends dressed as airline attendants (and given the extensive damage I've done to my shoulder over the years, there's a not-insignificant risk that a solid hit could dislocate it), but I'm happier to risk that (which relies on my perceptiveness and ability to turn myself so that I *don't* get hit by the trolley-wielding fiends).

However, having said that, I have also sat next to skinny runts who still manage to slouch/lounge/sprawl over an area significantly larger than what they could reasonably be expected to occupy, or indeed, have paid for.

I guess that my point is that while there are some cases where it really cannot be anything other than sheer size, a lot of the time it has to do with the person's attitude or in some cases, spatial awareness.

Anyway, that's my $0.03 (upgraded from $0.02 because I'm larger than average :P)

Cheers,
Ges

second seat = second meal. Fatties rejoice?

This thread needs more rockape taking up an entire row of seats photoshops.

Either that or Giganta-obes because of the name.

Needs more Haiku's

obes is your avatar supposed to be a qgl logo?

obes is your avatar supposed to be a qgl logo?

All you did there was prove your nubness.
It was the original qgl logo. From when it changed from QQL to QGL and we had shirts printed with it for WIB I think, only used it for a little while.

Yes it is ugly, but it was the only design brought to meeting where we had to pick a logo... also the shirts are worth a fortune now (retro and rare) !

yer, im a reasonably big guy also 6"4 and solid, so i just take aisle seats as well for a bit of extra room, also because i dont want to take up any space in the seat next to me

prefer the extra room seats, but never seem to get them on planes (i need to turn up earlier)

aisle seats work good for me, coz wifey likes the window seats

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/VirtualContent/85720/obese1.jpg

Booya

Needs more Haiku's

You asked for it Obes... and i deliver.

i hate fat people
they take up more than one seat
f***ers should pay more

Obes looks like Obese
So he should pay for two seats
I don't really know why

Skinny people cry
What do they need to breathe for
They need to man up


last edited by Xyzzy at 14:56:07 12/Dec/07

fat people, they aint skinny

I'm tall (210cm~) and I'd pay extra for extra leg room

It's called business class or even fly Qantas. If you have a problem with the size of seats and room and you're willing to pay extra then why not choose business class or fly with a none discount airline. Economy fares and discount airlines are there for a reason, cheap airfares.

being 178cm / 60kg ftw when flying

i flew to brisbane today. i was in an isle seat in the middle of a 747.

on the other side of the isle were two big guys sitting next to each other. the one in the isle was overflowing into the walk way and the one on the window asked to be moved because he felt cramped. flight was full so he got rejected.

i lol'ed on the inside.

into the flight i noticed that the one in the isle kept looking at locker above me where i stowed my krispy kremes.

i lol'ed on the outside.

^ maybe he was thinking about what he could do sexually with you and your krispy kremes because his gaydar was going off the scale. You never know, lol.

interesting that your mind went there

The problem is not the fat people. The problem is accessibility. If you're in an Iron Lung you're going to have the same issues as an obese person (fitting in places). Whether that is the company's problem, society's problem, or the "disabled" person's problem is really debatable.

The issue wouldn't exist if the plane was made with a fat person's specs accounted for.

The issue wouldn't exist if society didn't build things that are supposed to accommodate different people. (dunno how to word this one properly)

The issue wouldn't exist if the guy lost some weight.

Obes looks like Obese
So he should pay for two seats
I don't really know why

This haiku fails.

It's the product name "Krispy Kremes" that made me think it. Who on earth ever thought that up needs a bullet. It's like giving a product a name of "Stiffy Streams".

but they are so delicious

also ara needs to learn to double stack kripsy kremes

^^

haha, what?

it's clearly the fatties fault for being a fattie, unless there's some kind of legitimate medical reason they're a fattie.

HERE'S A TIP: PUT DOWN THE FORK

you're getting some weird vibes off those donuts dude

it's clearly the fatties fault for being a fattie, unless there's some kind of legitimate medical reason they're a fattie.

What makes them a fatty? At what exact measurement do you call someone a fatty? I bet you haven't thought that through at all. The only thing you know is that if they don't fit in the plane aisle... then they are too fat.

The person being too fat is not an attribute of the person... it is a function of the plane aisle...

There is no such thing as "being too fat", there is only "being too fat for X".


last edited by Idol at 17:18:56 12/Dec/07

I hear some girls like a fat.......I mean fattie.

How or why a person is fat is irrelevant to this discussion.

If they are taking up more than one seats worth of space because of their size, they should be financially penalized for the privaledge.

I wouldnt expect to take up more than one seat without someone making me pay for it.

Nothing worse than getting stuck next to one overweight person, let alone two. Its such an invasion of space and comfort.

Gew.

Only some fatties are bastards....or should that be only some bastards are fat.....oh! bugger it (in a Krispy Kreme sort of way). lol

What makes them a fatty? At what exact measurement do you call someone a fatty? I bet you haven't thought that through at all. The only thing you know is that if they don't fit in the plane aisle... then they are too fat.

The person being too fat is not an attribute of the person... it is a function of the plane aisle...

There is no such thing as "being too fat", there is only "being too fat for X".

uh, lol?

i would've thought it would be pretty clear that someone's a fatty in the context of this conversation if they can't fit into an airline chair.

This haiku fails.

It's true... the last two were spur of the moment type things so suckitude is not unexpected.

HERE'S A TIP: PUT DOWN THE FORK

Pfft... if you're using a fork you're eating too slowly.

Spoon or fingers is the only way to go.

taggs: the whole point of my post was to explain something to you that you are clearly having trouble comprehending. I can see your point of view - it is the point of view I had when I was three years old. Now I am explaining a slightly more advanced concept. Give it a few days, maybe your mind will learn to deal with this information.

so young, so idealistic

There is no such thing as "being too fat"

Never been to a Doctor then?
They even have 'How far are you' calculators and such.

Also, recent invention, Measuring tape. Anything over X Circumference is 'Too Fat'
X would be defined by the Seat size (And/or Society)

It would be based of the 'Average' Adult size, if you fall outside {However many} Standard deviations you'd be too fat (or to thin).

Maybe the problem isn't that these people are fat, but that you're not fat. If everyone was fat, we would have made seats that would accommodate these larger people. Start eating donuts thinnies.

That could also help to solve the population problem.
All those starving countries have Billions of people.

Lets get everyone fat.

taggs: the whole point of my post was to explain something to you that you are clearly having trouble comprehending. I can see your point of view - it is the point of view I had when I was three years old. Now I am explaining a slightly more advanced concept. Give it a few days, maybe your mind will learn to deal with this information.

hahaha, are you kidding? oh wait:

like Newton's laws of physics.... big deal... it was pretty obvious what was going on before Newton said anything...

haha, you're really not are you.

ps. that's from the woot thread

but dude, he learnt it at university ok

lol I used to be a chubber. Life is so much better as a ripped 25 year old.

yeah i've lost 20 odd kg's since that infamous qgl pic of me

billy is right, it's alot better

well i'm not ripped but you get the idea :p

Maybe the problem isn't that these people are fat, but that you're not fat. If everyone was fat, we would have made seats that would accommodate these larger people. Start eating donuts thinnies.

We'd need stronger engines...

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/600/fatmousebv9.jpg
Mouse on left should buy two seats. Look at that poor skinny mofo being all "Why'd I get stuck next to the fatty?"

last edited by amyescence at 23:13:25 12/Dec/07

that pic is s***.

I think the person whose space is being invaded is also an issue. Some softies will be quite happy to share a bit of their space with somebody whoe's morbidly obese. I can get a bit claustrophobic at times, and being stuck between a fatty and the edge of the aircraft could make me a bit cranky. I'll be flying off to see the family for Christmas next week. I'll make a deal, if I get stuck next to some land-sea-cow that spills over into my seat, I'll get verbally abusive.

Vote 1 for the obese paying for however many seats they take up.

if it happens, take a pic first.

Bah, Just hang a leg over into the next seat.