So today, half way thro my final exam for the year, a lady walks in

"STOP WORK. YOU HAVE BEEN GIVEN LAST SEMESTER EXAM PAPER. AS SUCH THIS EXAM IS CANCELLED. WE WILL GET IN TOUCH WITH YOU THIS AFTERNOON OR TOMORROW TO RESCHEDULE AN EXAM NEXT WEEK."

Now get f***ed. i've been playing an epic weekend. which i'm still going ahead with but anyway. So next week i'm going to miss out on a days pay from work. I feel for those who are going overseas who have planned trips leaving.... They will be given a defered exam we've been told. but still QUT - Get f***ed

can they even do this? set an exam after exam period expires (it ends tmrw)

/rant over

ha

sucked in

What retarded lecturer "acidently" sends the wrong exam to be printed?!

Al MacAdam.

and then he tried to pass the blame to the printer services.


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Faculty of Law too. So there's 400 pissed off budding laws reading the QUT by-laws, assessment policy and rules regarding special consideration in an attempt to:

a) Get out of the exam
b) Get extra marks out of the exams
c) Cause as much trouble for them as they've caused for us.

oh man that sucks doode. Not sure there's much you can do about it other lodged an official complaint?

Deferred exam sucks they're normally harder than the normal ones, but the idea is if you really know your s*** you should still be able to aced it etc. but it sucks regardless.

bonus, extra days to study!

please give the lecturer's email address

enough out of you spook. as if study this weekend. i'm still going on the bender i had planned.

buffalo theory for your braincells?

Hey dude that f***ing sucks the big one but just don't do anything too irrational:/

haha i won't. i'm just going to have a celebration weekend. the earliest they will reset the exam is tuesday.

I feel for some of the externals who have flown to brisbane from western QLD for the exam.

f***, that absolutely sucks

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2202/2031355734_b2c435b4fd_o.jpg

Thst would have to be one of the most disorganised and inconvenient things Ive heard.

I have an application in for QUT next year :S

well they admitted they didn't have an contingencies because this hasn't happened before. so hopefully it'll never happen again.

I have an application in for QUT next year :S

Sucked in!

no, sucked in is an IT degree from uq

Man that would suck. I can imagine how bad it would be to be all studied up and ready to enter holiday mode then be informed you've got to hand on a little bit longer :S

GL, I hope someone finds some fine print to get you out of it.

I did law at QUT.

Exams were an absolute joke.

Almost every exam I had during my degree had errors in it. We'd usually have some clown interrupting us and telling us about all the errors in different pages etc etc. Some of them really f***ed you up because they'd get names mixed up in the questions.

But yeah, without exaggeration, be prepared for more of this throughout your degree.

I have an application in for QUT next year :S

The Uni is turning into absolute s***. Spoke to one of the senior lecturers there he says it's 'cos there aren't enough international students signing up. They've merged all these subjects together in the IT course to save money its totally ridiculous e.g. Knowledge management cross Systems analysis and design WTF totally different content. Honestly I'm glad I just finished my last semester there.

yeah, Get f***ed QUT. I'm outta there forever (except tomorrow's binge and graduation in Feb)

Update:

They've cancelled the exam. period.


They are replacing it with a take home exam which will be posted next friday. due the following monday. take home exam love :D

Good. I was very pissed off for you.

what's funny is they correct a typo in the exam paper, but didnt realise enough that it was the wrong paper. they've been smoking too much hooch.

suck it up

that s*** is ridicolous


going to qut next year...hope the science department are more competent

Almost every exam I had during my degree had errors in it. We'd usually have some clown interrupting us and telling us about all the errors in different pages etc etc. Some of them really f***ed you up because they'd get names mixed up in the questions.

I don't do law, but i agree its f***ing annoying when that happens.. especially when you've already done the question.

Good to hear they got their s*** together, fade.

going to qut next year...hope the science department are more competent

What science?

Enjoy LSB118 with Dr. Kelly (+ some DNA with Dr. Cooke <3, he's awesome) and Dr. Waclawik for PCB140/142 :) Perfect first semester, you will love it.

I will forewarn you, your introductory stats (or maths/stats for biomed/med science) will turn you off university and make you want to kill yourself, but just complete it, easy 7/high distinction if you JUST (read: JUST) turn up.


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HOLY s***?! Take home exam?! You have got to be stoked with that!

I just finished QUT on tuesday...woot! No having to deal with all the stupid IT subject mergers!

yep. very stoked :D

I did a bach IT at QUT and during my 3 years there, every semester without fail there would have some retarded f***up.

One notable one I do remember was receiving my timetable with 2 preallocated tuts which clashed. I emailed requesting a new time for the tut and they gave me a new time clashing with the only lecture for one of my other subs...

I just emailed back demanding to be in the one that suited me best and they caved.


Thankfully none were as lame as your problem.

i got the impression that there are 3 types of people in the academic world

1. educated
2. intelligent
3. educated + intelligent

in my days of uni i found that most lecturers in uni were under group no 1 , they might know how to write a text book but other then that they are dumb as 2 matchsticks

let me put it this way: if you know lots about law/IT/medicine or whatever, YOU DON'T TEACH unless you are totally clueless.

those that can, can, those who can't, teach

and those who can't teach, teach sport

and those who can't teach, teach sport

Ha got a laugh from me.

Mind you I probably cant talk - Im doing a fine art/visual art degree and my dip/ed.

Having said that art theory can be pretty intense. So naaaa!

ALSO : Its those that can - do. Those who cant teach.

going to qut next year...hope the science department are more competent

Yer it's good.

Also, you'll find that a lot of Uni lectures are at Uni doing research, in otherwords, they can. They teach because they can. Doesn't necessarily make a good teacher though.

those that who can, can do. those who can't, teach

What science?

Enjoy LSB118 with Dr. Kelly (+ some DNA with Dr. Cooke <3, he's awesome) and Dr. Waclawik for PCB140/142 :) Perfect first semester, you will love it.

I will forewarn you, your introductory stats (or maths/stats for biomed/med science) will turn you off university and make you want to kill yourself, but just complete it, easy 7/high distinction if you JUST (read: JUST) turn up.

good to hear

they have overhauled a lot of the course structures and subject names for 2008, and now all majors have an identical first semester (SCB110 which is the LSB118 equivalent and then a chem, biol and maths unit) and similar second one, but im leaning towards ecology or enviro science but could be swayed to biochem/biotech depending how much i enjoy the chem and physics subjects (didnt do either in highschool).

Yeah stats will be aids, but it will be nice to get it out of the way first semester to then get into the interesting stuff. i did a year of an accounting degree so i figure i have reached the pinnacle of boring uni subjects and anything else can't be too bad

Hooray for going to work, coming home, forgetting about work and start the weekend... until monday :)

f*** you ^

:p

^ meaning "I want to f*** you in the ass, prettyboi"

fade - what do the people who were headed OS have to do?

the take home exam in January?

I've got an exam tomorrow morning 8:30am. Exams on Saturday are rude, especially that early in the morning :(

Last exam tho, Saturday beers FTW!

god i love ->
being old
not having to worry about a degree
getting paid extraordinarily well
not studying or cramming
no exams

if you want some good $$ network rellies to get into the mines or get a trade...bugger uni
WA or Bowen Basin - $120K to drive and A/C dump truck 10 hours a day!!!

If you're in any professional position and you're not still updating your skill set and invigorating your interest in your field of choice then you're not the best. If you're not the best where's the point?

let me put it this way: if you know lots about law/IT/medicine or whatever, YOU DON'T TEACH unless you are totally clueless.

This might be true for IT or law but its certainly not true for science.

but im leaning towards ecology or enviro science but could be swayed to biochem/biotech depending how much i enjoy the chem and physics subjects (didnt do either in highschool).

I did Enviro Science/Ecology and quite enjoyed the ecology part. However, ecology is a very small section of the jobs market and really is useless unless you score one of the rare jobs. Geology is really hot at the moment and you'll get paid lots and won't have trouble finding a job. I'd either go for that or biochem. Just make sure you get lots of work experience before you graduate...took me 10 months to find a job after graduating because i had no practical experience.

Enjoy LSB118 with Dr. Kelly (+ some DNA with Dr. Cooke <3, he's awesome) and Dr. Waclawik for PCB140/142 :) Perfect first semester, you will love it.

Hehe Bernie is a champ hey. One of the few lecturers who are semi-interesting to listen and talk to. Andrew Baker was probably my fave lecturer. Ian Williamson was also a hoot to go on field trips with. *cough* alco *cough*

I did Enviro Science/Ecology and quite enjoyed the ecology part. However, ecology is a very small section of the jobs market and really is useless unless you score one of the rare jobs. Geology is really hot at the moment and you'll get paid lots and won't have trouble finding a job. I'd either go for that or biochem. Just make sure you get lots of work experience before you graduate...took me 10 months to find a job after graduating because i had no practical experience.

Ive been told that maybe 3 people a year graduate biochem and its a deadend for jobs. Chem majors (even specialising into biochem) are much more likely to find employment... according to course co-ordinators anyway :P

Also when the fark do QUT results come out?

I got 1:30pm PCB150 - Phyics today... LAAAAAAAMMMMMMME.

Interference of light can suck my cock.

I'm doing Biochem as my major and medical biotech as co-major. That gives room for employment. Aiming for research because,

if you want some good $$ network rellies to get into the mines or get a trade...bugger uni
WA or Bowen Basin - $120K to drive and A/C dump truck 10 hours a day!!!

Driving a truck all day would drive me bat s*** crazy. Despite the money.

EDIT: Chub the physics is the basis of many scientific instruments that you will be using to measure all sorts of stuff. Knock it not! :D

Come for beers before your exam (after my exam is finished ;)

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Theres a reason why they pay you $120K
- You're out in the middle of bumf*** no where
- You're being charged about a million dollars a week for renting some piece of s*** weatherboard shack which brings me to my next point
- Living conditions are awesome!

I'd rather be earning half as much and twice as comfortable.

haha fade awesome mate looks like it worked out even better for you :)

$120k is noob anyway, get a trade instead of being an unskilled turd that drives a truck.

Brother was getting ~$5k AFTER TAX a week for welding booms or draglines or something... beats me. You got free accomodation (own AC unit with foxtel) and free chef cooked meals. You worked 7 days a week and you're grossing probably ~$350k a year... nothing to spend it on, so you bank 100% of it.

Did 3 years in the mines, he's only 23 now and has nearly $1.5 million in property... so he just chills around on his farm bulldozing trees, herding cattle and shooting roos.

mmmmmm carcinogenic welding fumes

f***s me, even if you could bank $250k in a single year, I couldn't do it.

12 hours a day, 7 days a week for upto 2 months straight at a time without a single day off... plus a lot of it was nightshift too (extra $20 - 30/hr).

I would kill myself after a single 12 hour day of standing in the same spot with a welder.

QUT as an education student has always been pretty good i really like it there

QUT as an education student has always been pretty good i really like it there

Except EDB006 and that STUPID Web Inquiry Project that you have to do in a group and is worth 60%.

Though yeah, mmmmmmmmmm amount of chickies, some of my tutes had 30 girls and I was the only guy :D Pity lots of future-teachers are fat :(

Interference of light can suck my cock.

You can't argue with the principle of linear superposition. Glad you enjoyed those lectures CHUB ;)

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busted!

You can't argue with the principle of linear superposition. Glad you enjoyed those lectures CHUB ;)

lol wtfbbq?

It wouldn't suprise me if a physics lecturer is a gaming nerd.

12 hours a day, 7 days a week for upto 2 months straight at a time without a single day off... plus a lot of it was nightshift too (extra $20 - 30/hr).

Where was that Chub? Most rosters I'm familiar with are pretty standard like 2 and 1. What you're talking about sounds like a chinese sweat-shop somewhere.

no, sucked in is an IT degree from uq

I’m very happy with where my degree has taken me. Besides, the only thing at QUT that gets funding is its advertising department.

if you know lots about law/IT/medicine or whatever, YOU DON'T TEACH

In general, University lecturers are not hired to be teachers, they are hired to be researchers. University's make them teach.

Besides, the only thing at QUT that gets funding is its advertising department.

And all the other things that get funding too, UQ fanboy ;P

What you're talking about sounds like a chinese sweat-shop somewhere.

Except he got pay a few thousand times more than the sweat-shop and all other perks to go with his chosen job.

And all the other things that get funding too, UQ fanboy ;P

QUT ranks lower than USQ on all ranking systems (Resarch, Teaching and Student outcomes). Which makes it one of the lowest ranking Universities in Australia.

Hehe, I'm employed already, so ranking don't concern me. Besides you don't choose a uni based on rankings, you choose one based on what you want to learn and what they have to teach. That is if you have the luxury of choice.

Where abouts would Griffith (GC) be on said rankings?

^^ QED.

deary me

QUT ranks lower than USQ on all ranking systems (Resarch, Teaching and Student outcomes). Which makes it one of the lowest ranking Universities in Australia.

You said this s*** last thread and when asked you didnt respond, so maybe this time you will. What exactly are these "ranking systems" you keep talking about?

edit:

From University of Melbourne, economic and social research

Research Performance and Standing: QUT = 9 USQ = 32
Teaching and Learning: QUT = 21 USQ = 34
Index of the International Standing of Australian Public Universities: QUT = 9 USQ = 32

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While Typo is right that UQ ranks higher then QUT, he seems to be wrong about QUT ranking lower then USQ.
Going by these rankings.

Hehe, I'm employed already, so ranking don't concern me. Besides you don't choose a uni based on rankings, you choose one based on what you want to learn and what they have to teach. That is if you have the luxury of choice.

I'm already employed too, so rankings no longer effect me either. However, the one thing that I've always hated is when people believe hype for no reason other than "advertising told me so".

Rankings are based off of research output, teaching output, graduate employment averages and student outcomes. As such, the rankings are essential in making an informed decision on "what you want to learn" and "what they have to teach". In general, QUTs is about teaching you as little as possible, as cheaply as possible. That's why they pump dual degrees, that's why they they focus on vocational skills, that's why their research is so amazingly crap.

Let’s be honest here, the main reason kids go to QUT is that they believe the advertising saying that QUT better prepares them for the real world than the other QLD universities.

Where abouts would Griffith (GC) be on said rankings?

QUT and GU swap places all the time. GU more solid fundamentals (because it can’t afford to be fancy), QUT is just advertising hype.

You said this s*** last thread and when asked you didnt respond, so maybe this time you will. What exactly are these "ranking systems" you keep talking about?

Essentially, all universities in Australia are ranked based off of their outcomes, from research to the average number of graduates employed in their selected fields. It’s a good idea that anybody who plans on going to University has some sort of idea what opportunities are, otherwise you just have advertising to go on … and lets face it, if the only deciding factor between universities was advertising, I’d go to QUT too. Unfortunately, those who have the best advertising seem to have the worst product.

Looking at the 2007 rankings (which I’ve only just looked up), UQ is ranked 3rd-5th in Australia; essentially tying with UWA and University of Sydney. While QUT isn’t in the top 17 Australian Universities. UQ is ranked somewhere in the 102-150 in the worlds best Universities while QUT isn’t even ranked in the top 500 Universities world wide.

In 2005 Teaching Performance rankings – which look at teaching and student outcomes - hold UQ as the 5th best teaching University in Australia. QUT ranked 31st, USQ at 27th, GU at 22nd.

As of the 2006 the research rankings shows UQ to be in the top 50 (33) research producing universities in the world. QUT in the top 200 (199). Having high quality research is why people should be interested in going to University; i.e. if you’re just after vocational skills go to TAFE.

QUT students can blow on and on about how their University is “for the real world” but unless “the real world” means “the university for kids that should have done TAFE” you’re just buying into the hype.

While Typo is right that UQ ranks higher then QUT, he seems to be wrong about QUT ranking lower then USQ.
Going by these rankings.

Sorry, I was working from memory from a meeting I was in last year. Somehow I switched the 2005 Teaching Performance Rankings with the Total Performance rankings around in my head. However the 2005 Teaching Performance Rankings has UQ in 5th, GU in 22nd, USQ in 27th and QUT in 31st positions.

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There is the typo uber posts we know and love. :D

I know your employed, probably in a better position. That is more because you put in several tons more work. In the end, it is more the Student's ambition, drive and intelligence that gets them what they want then what uni they went to.

In the end, it is more the Student's ambition, drive and intelligence that gets them what they want then what uni they went to.

Only to an extent. The uni itself can still be important if you're after more than a piece of paper.

I've been looking at doing a PhD and UQ partners heavily with other research organisations, allowing me to do really specialised cutting edge research. Not only that but I can get secondary scholarships because of it.

Looking at some of the other QLD unis, many of these options and pathways are not available.

There is the typo uber posts we know and love. :D

:)

I know your employed, probably in a better position.

For the record, I've gone from being "employable" to being "sought after". University has paid off for me.

That is more because you put in several tons more work. In the end, it is more the Student's ambition, drive and intelligence that gets them what they want then what uni they went to.

That's very true. The amount of work that Students put into their work is exceptionally important to the level of success. However, the opportunities that good Universities give also plays a part in the success of students. Hard Work + Opportunities > Hard work.

I've been looking at doing a PhD and UQ partners heavily with other research organisations, allowing me to do really specialised cutting edge research. Not only that but I can get secondary scholarships because of it.

If I was going to do a PhD, it wouldn't be in any Queensland University. I'd apply for something like University of Sydney, University of Melbourne or Australian National University. You know a University with real funding.

Actually, I'd look at getting a scholarship at an international university. Somewhere that has so much funding that all Australian Universities look like public primary schools.

Uni rankings don't mean much if you are doing a degree that is only offered in a one or two places across the Country, and I am sure if you do something generic like I.T then the employers will differentiate the good from the rubbish. I haven't came across one employer who even wanted to know my GPA. Most unis have an area of expertise anyway and if your uni ranks high but it focuses on engineering then a law degree from that high ranking uni isn't somehow 'special' too. It all means nothing once you start going for interviews. You still need to back up your claims that you are a student from a fancy uni.

I'd apply for something like University of Sydney, University of Melbourne or Australian National University. You know a University with real funding.

It really depends on their research strength in the specific field you're interested in. You can't just base your decision on the size of their pockets.

I flew down to check out Uni of Melb during their open day about 3 months ago, as everyone was raving on about them. After spending the day there, I realised they weren't very strong in the area I wanted to do research in. They barely had more than one or two academic staff working in that field.

Anyway in the end I found out you can apply for remote status at a uni and spend most of your PhD at a research organisation (CSIRO, NICTA, etc), then visit the uni for a couple months a year to do paperwork and other administrative stuff (confirmation, write-ups). In this sort of situation the uni matters even less, except for the partnering links with the organisation that the lesser unis don't have :)

It really depends on their research strength in the specific field you're interested in.

That's an excellent point that I didn't go into in my diatribe. The size of their pocket isn't the only telling point. However, doing a PHD is hard enough without having to battle for resources.

(CSIRO, NICTA, etc), then visit the uni for a couple months a year to do paperwork and other administrative stuff (confirmation, write-ups). In this sort of situation the uni matters even less, except for the partnering links with the organisation that the lesser unis don't have :)

That could be quite exciting. What are you thinking of doing your PhD in?

What are you thinking of doing your PhD in?

Microwave antenna theory and design.

Some people say I'm crazy, but meh :)

Just be very wary of IP issues when you go doing a PhD with CSIRO/NICTA scholarships. Not to mention that you will need to do your PhD in an area that the orginization in question is currently researching for them to want to give you money.. not a problem if you already had that in mind, but something to keep in the back of your head

Microwave antenna theory and design.

Not only does it sound fun, but you can cook your neighbours from afar.

Give everyone cancer, head cancer, in their heads!

This is NOT the end TERRANCE AND PHILLIP! YOU'LL RUE THIS DAY!!!

HAHAHAHAHAAH

When you were sleeping, I stuck my penis in your mouth and took a photo

Yes. Now it may appear in the picture... that I'm actually looking a the camera lens and s-and smiling, with the penis in my mouth. And giving a thumbs up. But I assure you, I was fast asleep!

Just be very wary of IP issues when you go doing a PhD with CSIRO/NICTA scholarships.

Well for CSIRO, if you work on a non-core project, your research usually becomes your own.

you will need to do your PhD in an area that the orginization in question

That's not a problem, as my proposed project is actually one they thought up! Just waiting for this semester's results to be released in a couple weeks, as everything depends that.

Does anyone have any idea what a good GPA for an APA is?

So what is the melbourne uni ranking? A load of s***? ( http://www.melbourneinstitute.com/publications/reports/uniscope/mainpaper.pdf ) It seems like you have pretty epic angst towards QUT, typo...

I fully admit QUT is a pretty s*** uni in many regards, its certainly nothing very special. But, its not the worst place in the world and its certainly better than USQ. (which you seem to have stopped comparing to QUT :P) There are some pretty good academics still working at QUT, so it cant be all that bad. (even if they are quite spread out)

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parabol, I know that at QUT, if you get 1st class honours you are pretty much assured an APA. On the other hand, if you get 2nd class honours or if it is a highly competitive year, then there are always faculty based scholarships to go around. So there are certainly options aside from an APA. Especially at well funded institutions.

On the IP matter, I know that at QUT you pretty much sign over all IP developed as a condition of undertaking the PhD. I would say this holds for most institutions, though this is a complicated matter and you are advised to take the advice of a solicitor before signing on the dotted line. For highly fundamental research though, IP generally isn't an issue.

parabol, I know that at QUT, if you get 1st class honours you are pretty much assured an APA

I'm not sure if this still holds true. it certainly was 4 or 5 years ago, but nowadays thats not what ive heard.. at least not at Griffith.

APA's these days are rediculously competitive. i've just finished my honours year and have applied for an APA.. i got straight 7's in all my courses for honours (GPA of 6.5 pre honours year) and am expecting around ~85% for my thesis. I also got a publication out on my honours work, and im still not counting on getting an APA, but i have other scholarships already sourced. Fingers crossed !

edit: possibly their are less people wanting to do research at QUT (cause its not usually seen as a research uni) therefore the scholarships are less competitive ?

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Faculty of Law too. So there's 400 pissed off budding laws reading the QUT by-laws, assessment policy and rules regarding special consideration in an attempt to:

should have dropped a proximity grenade on that exam room aand done the rest of the normal people a favour.

i didnt choose to go to QUT for my IT degree because of the ads, there were no ads back in 1990

i could have done a heap less work in high school and still gone and done IT at uq, as its te acceptance score was much lower than QUT's

im pretty sure nothing has changed, and that its much easier to get into IT at uq

although i wouldnt know, i havent worked with anyone in IT who did their degree at uq

On the IP matter, I know that at QUT you pretty much sign over all IP developed as a condition of undertaking the PhD. I would say this holds for most institutions, though this is a complicated matter and you are advised to take the advice of a solicitor before signing on the dotted line. For highly fundamental research though, IP generally isn't an issue.

I like that QUT at least makes it very obvious to you that this is the case. It sure would be nice to fluke something novel that you could make a packet off right out of the gate, though. At least from a purely research based perspective, having the institution behind you makes it alot easier to secure the IP so you can continue working on it without getting it scooped out from under you... I guess.

[quote]Faculty of Law too. So there's 400 pissed off budding laws reading the QUT by-laws, assessment policy and rules regarding special consideration in an attempt to:

a) Get out of the exam
b) Get extra marks out of the exams
c) Cause as much trouble for them as they've caused for us.[/quote]

lalalala law students all think they're better than everyone, wait a minute anyone can read a document, law is surely the degree with the most people I disliked (love you but denny xox), because they actually believe it requires/ed some kid of skill to enter the course.

[quote] Faculty of Law too. So there's 400 pissed off budding laws reading the QUT by-laws, assessment policy and rules regarding special consideration in an attempt to:

a) Get out of the exam
b) Get extra marks out of the exams
c) Cause as much trouble for them as they've caused for us. [/quote]

lalalala law students all think they're better than everyone, wait a minute anyone can read a document, law is surely the degree with the most people I disliked (love you but denny xox), because they actually believe it requires/ed some kid of skill to enter the course.

you mean like quoting skills?

It seems like you have pretty epic angst towards QUT, typo...

It might seem that way, but it’s not. I actually considered doing a Masters of Information Science there (it’s the only place in QLD that offered that specific course), but I’m now it looks like I'll be going to University of Sydney.

What I really hate is the ignorant c*********s who have no idea and just go to QUT because of the hype.

But, its not the worst place in the world and its certainly better than USQ. (which you seem to have stopped comparing to QUT :P)

I never compared it to QUT, I said that USQ has ranked higher than it. Which is true for the 2005 teaching outcomes (which QUT ranked 31 of 38, and USQ ranked 27th of 38).

I would say this holds for most institutions,

No, it’s highly dependant on the institution and the scholarship.

there were no ads back in 1990

Until 1990, QUT was known as QIT and BCAE ...

as its te acceptance score was much lower than QUT's

... Which means that they could define their own OP’s while UQ had to use previous years intake numbers as the basis. Which meant that they could have set the TE scores as 990 and it would have been meaningless.

Secondly, doesn't it seem a bit weird to ignore current indicators (other than hype) while trying compare two university degrees from 17 years ago. Most of the people who are getting ready to apply for that degree were probably a sparkle in their Dad's pants then.

Thirdly, I'm sure that UQ's Computer Science/Mathematics or Information Technology/Japanese program was 880 or 920 TE score and I'm almost sure that you couldn't just do CompSci or IT on it's own.

im pretty sure nothing has changed, and that its much easier to get into IT at uq

Of course, advertising and hype have nothing to do with that …

although i wouldnt know, i havent worked with anyone in IT who did their degree at uq

I’ve worked with quite a few of QUT graduates, and I’ve been un-impressed with the quality of many.

Why are you still avoiding comment on the ranking Ive posted typo? Im just curious, do the people in the know rank that ranking lower than most other ranking systems in the field?

edit: f***, don't you hate it when you try and make a retardedly verbose sentence and realise that it looks pretty much like something that would fit in such a stupid discussion.

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