So I tried vista when i was having some wierd issues with a video card, but since it didn't fix it, i reverted back to WinXp.

Today I read this over at the register.

On the client, Windows Vista, a clear gap continued between Microsoft's marketing and executive spiel and market realities. Never mind a chronic lack of hardware and application compatibility out of the gate for even mainstream products, Windows Vista is proving so unreliable and such a resource hog that system builders are mining a niche business in downgrading Windows Vista machines to Windows XP - despite Microsoft's attempts to make downgrades difficult.

So why do people actually run Vista?

1. pure novelty of its newness.
2. Noobs buy computer packages with Vista included and go WTF this sux afterwards.

I ran it for about 1 month and got sick of it. Now using XP

I'm running it on 3 systems, one gaming, one media and one misc rig and havn't had one problem. Vista for life!

So why do people actually run Vista?

1. Eye-candy.
2. Comes pre-installed on many machines/laptops, so people say "why not".
3. Being on the cutting edge (in reality you're just a Beta-tester)

I installed it on my second box and had to turn off a s***load of features so that I could actually get work done on it. Pretty useless "upgrades".

I run it cause I can. Runs very quickly, looks great and is very reliable on my machine :)

^ We mac-fanatics will win you over yet orb! ;)

yerp, decimate(broinlaw) ran it for about a month, but gave up due to random crashes to desktop and annoying hassles from the os all the time

i run it on my laptop, only complaint is that it seems slower when copying files from one location to another, especially over a network or from a flashcard to the hdd.. other then that everything runs very smoothly and with out a hitch

I am running Vista 64 bit on my main rig at the moment and I use this machine to do everything including gaming. If you turn off all the useless built in newb security features it can be great.

Why do I run it?
All of my components/peripherals are supported.
I find it just as fast as winXP.
I HATED the default XP bubble theme but I like the Aero theme.
I have 4 gig of RAM (hence the 64 bit OS)
After installing the latest DX9 release and OpenAL every game I have thrown at it so far has worked perfectly.

Coz the installer lets you grab drivers off a usb stick during installation, instead of requiring you to either slipstream them or screw around with floppies?

Once you turn off all the new s*** Vista starts to live up to what you'd expect out of NT6, which is just the previous NT with a few new bits, fairly stable, and pretty secure for a new release.

If DRM reared it's ugly head and caused problems I'd probably ditch it though.

a clear gap continued between Microsoft's marketing and executive spiel and market realities

hmmm...

methinks MS need to make their own *nix distro to make their online biz model work in the future. hey - it could be a cut down Vista variant if need be, but the idea of leasing an OS for a period of time as an 'online-based service' just isn't going to fly. America's market will decide this one for us (as always) I guess.


still, we're talking about a nation that leases cars instead of actually buying/owning them new overall.


man I hope they see that crappy biz model isn't going to fly here in Asia/Pacific.

last edited by koopz at 21:29:53 14/Jul/07

I'm currently running dual boot XP/Vista just to see what its all about. It runs fine on my computer so far, but I only just started using it. It managed to use windows update to install drivers that weren't on the initial install, for things like my on-board audio. It has been a painless experience so far.

It will run like s*** on low end systems. On high end systems it actually runs ok. I'm still thinking of moving to Ubuntu :)

BERYL TIME

On high end systems it actually runs ok.

yeah, but on a high end system winXP totally screams, so why put Vista on it to just run okay?

I will get 100fps less on vista playing Source engine games. Prefer Vista but wont bother upgrading yet.

I tried fresh installs of x64 pro and x64 vista with Insurgency and if anything the fps difference was negligible. I couldn't tell a diff with my eyeballs.

I dunno, I got a new video cards & for kicks installed that beta ms released months ago (I tried this months ago, retail version may be different) but cs:source actually ran the same if not slightly better than it did on xp.

i run vista for 100% tv viewing (as a media centre), plus mp3s ect. works perfect for me.

I dunno, I got a new video cards & for kicks installed that beta ms released months ago (I tried this months ago, retail version may be different) but cs:source actually ran the same if not slightly better than it did on xp.

It ran like ass on mine :(

I'm still thinking of moving to Ubuntu :)

I just had to disable a bunch of power management bulls*** (acpi2, apic, apm) to even get the f***ing ubuntu cd to boot. ubuntu can lick my f***ing balls.

edit: finally got it to boot, installed it and now it doesn't know what my video card is so won't start x windows. holy s*** ubuntu is f***ing CRAP.

slackware forever.

last edited by whoop at 01:25:59 16/Jul/07

Despite poor driver support, I like Vista. It runs quickly etc...

I don't see why everyone bags it? I haven't come across anything particularly bad in it?

I've installed Vista on my work laptop (D620), my home laptop (6400) and my home PC (non-dell dual core, 2gb ram, 7600gt) and the driver support across all 3 is now excellent. Within the first 4-6 weeks of Vista it sucked quite alot but the vendors seemed to have fixed their driver release problems. With FPS (in WolfET, OpenArena, WoW) I can't see any difference between Vista & XP across all 3 machines.

So why do I run it?

a) Because it's free (licenses covered by employer)
b) It will eventually become the standard when XP is not supported so might as well jump into it now
c) The widgets are pretty cool
d) So I can participate in Vista threads

I might as well mention a couple of the positives (in my view):
- the search feature is excellent
- prefetching is great(games load heaps quicker).
- i like the UI more than XP's
- I have a DX10 video card (8800GTS) so want to be able to use DX10

a) Because it's free (licenses covered by employer)

So's linux or BSD or your existing OS... Invalid reason

b) It will eventually become the standard when XP is not supported so might as well jump into it now

Says who ? XP was an upgrade. Vista is an expensive performance hit. The only "upgrade" is DX10. Which has no impact on businesses hence the potential for Vista to become "the standard" is reduced.

c) The widgets are pretty cool

Gimmick. Whats next you swapped because you have a funky alt-tab ?

d) So I can participate in Vista threads

You don't need vista to do that.

So why do I run it?

'nuff said.. look I even highlighted the important part for you.

I don't run it. But soon I will have no choice, seeing that Dell only sell XP on selected line of their PCs and that line seems to get get smaller every time I look at it .....

Just because they are your reasons and you can use html tags... doesn't

make

them valid.

Obes, you are indeed a

tosser

.

I'm yet to have any real problems with vista too. There was that annoying bug with java and live messenger tho:(

Because the HTML made your point so well before. It's sad that you can't validate you opinion.

If you had said "cos I wanted to have dx10" .. crap reason your card isn't a dx10 card, but if you had a dx10 card yeah sure good reason.

If you had said "cos I wanted to play with Vista" good reason, of if you had said "because that's what my machine came with" good reason. Heaps of real reasons. s*** even "because I wanted to" is a good reason.

If you had rewritten your second reason to be "because its the latest offering from MS so this might be the next standard, so I'm learning it now". Yeah sure, in its current form you make a statement about vista being the new standard like its a law or something, immediately questionable/debatable.


But free ? ... that applies to a heap of things.
Widgets ? ... *shrug* you can get widgets for XP and heaps of OSes
So that you can go +1 in vista threads ? ... oO


Guess I am sick of the people who are "we have to upgrade!"... why ? what does the new offering give you ? if you can't give a real reason for that, then you have been beaten by the marketing.

I might as well mention a couple of the positives (in my view):
- the search feature is excellent
- prefetching is great(games load heaps quicker).
- i like the UI more than XP's
- I have a DX10 video card (8800GTS) so want to be able to use DX10

I despise the vista UI (all of it), but may (have to) get it when crysis comes out. Just depends on how well crysis runs on xp & dx9c if at all.

Guess I am sick of the people who are "we have to upgrade!"... why ? what does the new offering give you ? if you can't give a real reason for that, then you have been beaten by the marketing.

We have to upgrade when hardware + sofware + driver developers no longer support the older operating systems.

last edited by whoop at 18:23:18 16/Jul/07

im with whoop

im so hawt for crysis, ill do whatever it takes to play it how it was intended

If you haven't seen it yet, links to the big e3 crysis moofie

http://www.incrysis.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=6093

and so it continues. The head of Acer has spoken out on Vista.

"The entire industry is disappointed by Windows Vista," the head of the world's fourth-biggest PC maker told the Financial Times Deutschland in its online edition on Monday.

Never before had a new version of Windows done so little to boost PC sales, he said.

and

"Stability is certainly a problem," he said.

Doesn't Microsoft cease supporting OS's 7 years after release? If so how long until XP gets left behind?

Tanaka:

Windows Life-Cycle Policy

The above shows that new Windows XP licenses will be unavailable for basic OEM and retail purchases from January 2008.

Also:

XP Support Life-Cycle

This shows that mainstream support for XP will die in 2009.

There have been a number of f***-ups already because XP is no longer the main testing OS for Windows products. Any pre-Vista machine with IE7 installed will now bitch about a missing DWMAPI.DLL in the Dependency Walker.

This is a Vista DLL ...

I used vista for a few months but then got fed up with its wireless networking. Connections would keep dropping out, or it would refuse to find the network (no encryption, just hidden SSID). Tried several different wireless cards and all struggled.

Installed FC6, and using XP drivers with ndiswrapper I have zero wireless network problems. Connection never drops out, and it will always find the network. If I need to do any windows stuff I can still boot into vista and then spend 30 mins trying to connect to the network.