Came across this when I was reading through the Bulletin website:

http://bulletin.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=145661

Australians play a leading role in research on the male Pill, but doubts remain as to whether men can be trusted to remember to take it. Sonia Harford reports.

The idea of a male Pill has long appealed to women burdened with contraceptive-related moods, migraines, or just a bad memory.

it's women's responsibility to take the pill anyway, get over it

what jim says
contraception is hardly a mans business

agreed

NOT from the article:

Well, I unsnapped his skull cap and between his ears I saw a gap but figured he'd be all right

I think there's something in that for all of us.

What are u smoking boy?!?!? ^

So what, is it out ?

Tell me it works for a decade

What are you smoking 99? You of all people should understand the adverse health implications of smoking so I can't help but feel disappointed with you.

Fact sheet: Smoking and pregnancy

Quitting smoking is a great decision for you and your child. Smoking can affect babies even before they are born.

What happens to your unborn baby when you smoke?
The umbilical cord is your baby's lifeline. The blood that flows through this cord gives your baby all the oxygen and the nutrients they need to grow.

When you smoke a cigarette you inhale the gas carbon monoxide. This gas hitches a ride on your red blood cells and takes the place of some of the oxygen in your blood stream. This means that the amount of oxygen available to your baby through the umbilical cord is reduced when you smoke.

Nicotine is the addictive drug in cigarettes that keeps you coming back for more. It increases your heart rate and your baby's heart rate. Nicotine also causes your blood vessels to narrow and reduces the flow of blood through the umbilical cord.

Together, the carbon monoxide and nicotine make it harder for your baby to get the oxygen and nourishment he or she needs. This places unnecessary stress on the baby's heart. Cigarette smoke contains more than 4,000 other harmful substances that you and your baby are both exposed to when you smoke.
Can smoking cause problems during pregnancy and birth? Yes.

* Smokers have a greater risk of ectopic pregnancy (a pregnancy outside the uterus) and miscarriage. This risk is four times greater in smokers than non-smokers, and six times greater in women who smoke more than 20 cigarettes a day.
* Smokers have a higher risk of having a premature baby.
* Smokers are more likely to have complications during the birth.
* Smokers are more likely to have a low weight baby. Babies born with a lower than average birth weight are at more risk of infection and other health problems.
* Smoking during pregnancy increases the chances of the baby dying at or shortly after birth.

Can smoking cause problems after the birth? Yes.

* The risk of sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS, or 'cot death') is increased in mothers who smoke during pregnancy. Babies exposed to any tobacco smoke after birth also have an increased risk of SIDS. Keep baby smoke-free by not letting anyone smoke near your baby.
* After a baby is born, many of the 4,000+ poisons the mother inhales through cigarettes are passed on to the baby through breast milk and through passive smoking.
* Babies of smokers are more likely to suffer from asthma and other respiratory infections.
* Even in later years, children of mothers who smoked during pregnancy tend to be slightly shorter than other children and have more difficulty with reading, mathematics and related skills.
* Babies born to mothers who smoke during pregnancy have a higher risk of developing attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD).

Ahhhh, good to know jmr, I appreciate the research you've done there.

What are you smoking 99? You of all people should understand the adverse health implications of smoking so I can't help but feel disappointed with you.

What the?! I have no idea what u are talking about right now.



Also, to the person who asked (and this isn't the same male contraceptive, but anyways) - there is actually a male Implanon-like device (small rod-like device that is the equivalent of female Implanon, which is inserted under the skin in the upper arm) which is currently being tested with a lot of success. It lasts for a few years (i.e. only needs to be taken out and replaced every few years, like Implanon) which is good to hear. Not sure when it's being released though.

If this pill had ANY adverse effects, which obviously it would... no go.

Let the chicks suffer.

Contraception/protection is important mkay. (May need a refresh to get it in sync)

"website blocked by firewall" lol

Q. What's white and slides down toilet walls?
A. George Michaels latest release.

Hahaha. Get it?

"website blocked by firewall" lol

You sure are missing out, but more to the point well done rev.

I still don't get your previous posts :/


ALso, lol at Rev :)

no friggin way i'd be taking that. just askin for birth deformities and/or impotence.

yeah jim wins

and like i could remember to take it everyday

Hahaha nice joke Rev!
Child support payments = way too much hastle. If I can do da dirty with plenty o hoes and know I'm usin contraception, that'd be da shiznit yo.

I think the male pill is awesome.

No worries about some female forgetting (or pretending to forget ie. baby trap) then woops... pitter patter pitter patter

im with obes. f*** it. ill give it a shot. Im MSNing Peter North right now.

Ok...I just did a google search on Peter North bcos I had no idea who he was, and came up with some interesting results...

hmmm 4

As a female I wouldn't trust a bloke to take a pill. They can't remember to change their underpants most days let alone take a pill at the same time everyday.
I think they should be trying to get an implant for blokes.

Note to self: change underpants.

What?

Just because the female race got the short end of the stick with carrying a child, doesnt make the male race any less responsible or any less the father. Women cant do it alone, why should they when it comes to contraception?
For all the men that bitch about condoms heres your chance to do something about it.

Team effort to prevent little accidents is not a bad thing. And besides, women have been farking with their hormones for years, time to jump in and have a go.

as a male I try not to start sentences with stupid statements kat

pfft, progesterone implant for women is fine, its safe and its the best thing for them.

I just pull out.

pfft, progesterone implant for women is fine, its safe and its the best thing for them

- Moody
- Risk of lowering fertility and ability to concieve
- Changes hormone levels
- Nausia
- LOWERS SEX DRIVE.

Well, I guess not having sex in the first instance is the best form of contraception hey.

i go backdoor

I am still not sure if the pill works by faking the body into being pregnant or by making the body not want sex.

f*** the pill.

Wait, more f***ing means more pilling :/

I just pull out.

i go backdoor

nice one team

You can always get the snip if you hate kids that much :)

theres a second thing behind female contraception that needs to be looked at, and that is to stop women bleeding.

back in the day, with large families, women would be pregnant most of the time once they come of age. These days with smaller families, women are bleeding much more.

Research has shown that bleeding once a month for 12 months or more cna be very hazardous to your health (ill try and see if i can find the doco on this) and things like the pill, implanon etc which stop the bleeding for months at a time are beneficial as well as contraceptive.

okay,

basically having your period every month causes your hormone levels to fluctuate greatly, which as you said is a problem, and can lead to such things such as cervical cancer and such forth.

the pill was originally intended to stop periods completely, but the catholic church deemed it unnatural and it was set to happen every 4 months (the sugar pills n stuff).

wiki doesn't agree with you Tung
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_pill

point out where please kat, i seriously cbf reading all that


the missus said that she read all that in marie claire btw, which is normally a reasonably good and honest source

petal has been on the rod x 2 (nearly 6 years now)

she dont bleed and is less mental now than she used to be

Under history it says it was made for birth control and not to stop a woman's period.

And to say that a woman getting her peiod is "very hazardous to your health " is utterly ignorant.

A woman needs to expell the lining of the uterus to make way for the next ovulation cycle so the egg can nestle in 'fresh' lining.

Women have been having periods since - ooer, the dawn of time. It is like saying ejactulating is bad for your health - What the!

kat, women have also been always pregnant since the dawn of time too, as is their job.

its only in the modern era have we got so many women that arent pregnant, that are basically bleeding once a month every month for sometimes up to years.

sorry, i also probably said that the wrong way, yes it was intended as birth control, but it was also intended to be taken constantly, not on for 3 months, and then off so you could have your period

http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s1581584.htm

read that kat.

and this

http://www.seven.com.au/sunrise/fact_060309_menstruation

He said when scientists invented the pill, the initial plan was for women to have a period once or twice and year.

But in order to get the Catholic Church to accept the new method of contraception, the manufacturers decided to present to pill so women would have a period every month, believing that it made the pill look "more normal".

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I think tung wishes he was a women so he could have periods

Yes, I read it.

Society is f***ing with our bodies and it is easier to say our bodies are at fault then the way we live.

To say a woman shouldn't get her period because it is bad for her is just jaw dropping.

Kat,

look at the differences in society from then to now

50 or more years ago, periods started at 14-15 and women were pregnant for most of their lives up until menopause.

now periods start at 10-11 and women are pregant for such a small fraction of their lives up until menopause, and are bleeding more now which can lead to cancer through major hormone fluctuations...

its the way we live, not our bodies that are at fault, you said so yourself... our approach to families, pregnancy, and life in general is causing this. the only thing thats changing is the body is starting to mature a lot earlier, and we have to take that into account.

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boba, its so i can have something to blame being pissy on, once a month or so :p

Tung: I understand what you are saying now. But the way I read your post was that women weren't designed to get periods and they were better off not having them.

I don't believe that is true at all. That is EXACTLY what we were designed for.

I believe we should be looking at the way we live our life rather than trying to fiddle with the inner workings of our body.

I refused to go on the pill because Ididn't want my body messed around with. Times changed and I went on it for 3 years. I never once skipped a period by continuing the pills and the whole point of taking it was mute since I didn't feel like sex. Been off it for over a year now and I won't be going back on it.

The only reason cancer and all those other nasties are showing up is because now we are living longer and looking after our weak. Our bodies haven't changed in the last few hundred years (millions and thousands yes) the way we live has and I think trying to mutate our bodies is just wrong.

Woo, my hippy clan would be proud!

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i was about to rip out exactly what tung did, women back in the day were having only a handful of periods in their whole life compared to now and the church were the ones who wanted it to be every month, you could quite easily get away with having a period once or twice a year

you think that our bodies havent changed?

you dont think that girls are going through puberty younger and younger, getting periods earlier and developing quicker?

sorry if i didnt explain it properly, i remembered only the basics from that article and i had to call up the missus to get the full story.

im basically saying that times have changed, situations have changed, our body still reacts in the same way although timing may be a bit different (ie puberty). we have to adapt what we do, based on our environment.


i didnt mean to imply that women were not designed to get periods, i meant that women werent designed to have as many periods as they are having today.

wake up Tung.

you think that our bodies havent changed?

I don't really know how to asnwer that. I don't believe that in the last one hundred years our bodies have mutated/evolved. I believe it is society and the way that we treat our bodies that has changed.... but in saying that would that imply that our bodies have changed? Or is it merely that they work according to how they are treated?

Would a 'change' imply that if the external factors were taken away it would remain the same? If that is so, then I don't believe our genetic make up has changed, no. But I haven't put much scientific work into getting that answer.

changed indicates that things arent what they were previously.

ie, puberty earlier, periods earlier, development quicker indicates change.

what you are suggesting is that if its a result of external factors, then taking those external factors away would immediately result in these things i have mentioned, reverting back to what they were, say 50-100 years ago.

which i think is not the case, i think the 'effects' if you will, are permanent, or at least would take environmental change and a reasonable number of years to sway a different way

my body has changed in the last couple of years

im getting hair in strange places

ahahah Tung links to sunrise. ++1brazillion for credibility

but here we are now debating the semantics of change.

we agree that the human body is reacting differently to the way it did 50-100 years ago, lets just leave it at that :p

scoggex, i also linked to abc.net.au

both said the same thing, there were just different elaborations in the sunrise one.

Sounds like a good plan.

This thread should be about penis and not vagina!

i didnt mean to imply that women were not designed to get periods, i meant that women werent designed to have as many periods as they are having today.

Just cause they're having them earlier doesn't mean they are having more... maybe the onset of menopause is happening at a decreasing age??

i don't ever want to see the words "kat" and "vagina" on the same webpage again. ever.

Tung: I understand what you are saying now. But the way I read your post was that women weren't designed to get periods and they were better off not having them.

I don't believe that is true at all. That is EXACTLY what we were designed for.

You forgot washing my clothes and cooking me some eggs - that is what women's are for.

All contraceptions are just a random chance at reducing the risk of falling pregnant. Male/Female pill, those implants, diaphgrams, spermacide, fizzy coke up the twat, etc are all just reducing the risk and not eliminating it. If you wanted to eliminate the risk then you have to stop having sex - unless you sit on dirty toilet seats that some members of this forum have visited previously.

Should males take responsibility for their actions? Of course, any mature and civilised male (and female for that matter) accepts the outcome of their actions. If this means being prepared and increasing what contraceptions are available then I'm all for a male pill. If the females in our society have to take the responsibility, why can't males put in their fair share as well.

TicMan, want some bacon and coffee with those eggs?

Maybe if the males had a way of protecting their sperm other than relying on a spontaneous action (condom) then issues such as Child Support and unwanted children may diminish

Just cause they're having them earlier doesn't mean they are having more... maybe the onset of menopause is happening at a decreasing age??

I kills me to say this, but I think Billy is prolly right.

I don't know heaps about female reproductive physiology, but keep in mind that women are born with a cerain number of eggs that are to be released from their ovaries...so if they start cycling earlier, they are in all likeliness going to be going through menopause a few years sooner.

Angent99: The other problem is that infetility is now a big issue and while some women will get a period, they won't always release an egg. If an egg was released each cycle then you (and Billy) would be right.

abstinence works

I don't believe I've ever heard of that Kat. I'm going to go ask the doctor here at work later on.

TicMan, want some bacon and coffee with those eggs?

Now we're talking :)

I've also heard that an egg may not be released every cycle or sometimes several eggs can be released - no evidence to back this up though, just stuff I've heard over time.

I don't believe I've ever heard of that Kat. I'm going to go ask the doctor here at work later on.

Heard of what? A cycle without ovulation?

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Er yes - forgot to quote this part;

Angent99: The other problem is that infetility is now a big issue and while some women will get a period, they won't always release an egg. If an egg was released each cycle then you (and Billy) would be right.

Yah, that part I must have missed. I've never heard of that.

The lining waits for a fertiled egg. If none implants itself it expells. Unfertalised egg. No egg. No difference to the workings of a period :)

^ahaa @ jab

Maybe if the males had a way of protecting their sperm other than relying on a spontaneous action (condom) then issues such as Child Support and unwanted children may diminish

Maybe if you could keep your twat closed and your ovaries tucked away it wouldnt be a problem either. It's not something you can blame on males for f***s sake

jmr: umm, maybe you read too much into my comment. There is currently a gentleman in the states trying to legally rid his reponsibilities of a child because she was conceived 'accidently'. The mother said she was on birth control to regulate her periods and was also infetile.

He took her word for it and she ended up pregnant.

I meant in cases such as them, if the guy also had a pill then he would be able to cover his arse from instances such as that by taking a pill and not having to rely on spontaneous contraception.

Gives the blokes back the power. No holes in condoms, no missing of the pill and forgetting to tell, etc etc

The lining waits for a fertiled egg. If none implants itself it expells. Unfertalised egg. No egg. No difference to the workings of a period :)

Hmm but just because the egg isn't fertilised, it doesn't mean that it doesn't count as eing released from the women's ovaries.

I'm confused now.

I don't know heaps about female reproductive physiology, but keep in mind that women are born with a cerain number of eggs that are to be released from their ovaries...so if they start cycling earlier, they are in all likeliness going to be going through menopause a few years sooner

menopause isnt when you run out of eggs, its when your body stops producing oestregen, causing the reproductive system to gradually shut down.

But wouldn't the oestrogen be related to the eggs being released?

from what i can find, oestregen levels drop, causing the eggs to stop being released, not that eggs being released and after a certain number, the oestrogen stops.

Eiether way, I'm right.

Angent99: The other problem is that infetility is now a big issue and while some women will get a period, they won't always release an egg. If an egg was released each cycle then you (and Billy) would be right.

You don't take into account the instances of women releasing more than one egg at a time which could counterbalance the times they don't.

Hmm but just because the egg isn't fertilised, it doesn't mean that it doesn't count as eing released from the women's ovaries.

Are you sure you are female?

I'm confused now.

Some women don't ovulate. How is that confusing?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anovulatory_cycle

You don't take into account the instances of women releasing more than one egg at a time which could counterbalance the times they don't.

As far as I am aware the release of multiple eggs isn't a regular occurance.


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pls more talk about penises, big black ones preferably.

Yeah, as I said, I don't know that much about women's reproductive physiology. I work with a specialist in women's health tho so I'll ask about some of this stuff later.

HAHAH I have literally JUST got home from my gynaecology exam and I am LOLLING at the chat being thrown around in this thread!

What does said exam consist of?

And by gynaecology exam I mean I haven't just visited the Dr for a check-up - I mean I just sat a written exam on the topic of gynaecology, you SICKOS

i would like to take a gynaecology exam

i would hope there are lots of pixtures

Eiether way, I'm right.

Um, no.
You missed the point of what he was saying, if you have 10 kids you are pregnant for a total 7 years, 7 years without having a period. hence less periods than a non-baby factory.

nubbin, help us out

Breastfeeding also stops ovulation.

if you have 10 kids you are pregnant for a total 7 years, 7 years without having a period.

i have also wondered that given a woman's reproductive lifespan is governed by the stockpile of ova in her ovaries, if the hypothetical woman is pregnant for 7 years (and thus not ovulating) is her reproductive lifespan extended by this much?

This thread confuses me. Tung - with what particular issue?!

i have also wondered that given a woman's reproductive lifespan is governed by the stockpile of ova in her ovaries, if the hypothetical woman is pregnant for 7 years (and thus not ovulating) is her reproductive lifespan extended by this much?

No. Women are born with about 1.5 million eggs. By the time they reach their first period, they have about 400,000 potentially responsive eggs. Women ovulate about 400 times between onset of menstruation and menopause, but during this time, nearly all the eggs are lost. With age, remaining eggs become less responsive to the female hormones, the ovaries fail and menopause occurs. Length of reproductive lifespan does't come down to individual eggs, number of pregnancies etc...

what causes menopause

do you believe that earlier puberty leads to earlier menopause

do you believe that women are going through puberty (thus getting periods) earlier

do you believe with what was said regarding the 450 periods vs 100 periods stat, and that it can cause cancer due to large hormonal fluctuations

etc etc etc

just read through the thread and pick out the stuff you dont agree with then, dr to be :p

what causes menopause?

Menopause occurs following the age-related decline in number of viable eggs, but mainly the degeneration in quality of the ovary (including its ability to produce hormones required for ovulation) that occurs as a consequence of ageing.

do you believe that earlier puberty leads to earlier menopause

Most studies don't show a statistically significant relationship between age at onset of menarche (first period) and age of menopause. If you read what I posted before, it's not about having a definitive "number" of eggs available - we have many more eggs than we will ovulate in our reproductive lives.

do you believe that women are going through puberty (thus getting periods) earlier

Yes, current trends indicate girls are entering puberty at an earlier age.

do you believe with what was said regarding the 450 periods vs 100 periods stat, and that it can cause cancer due to large hormonal fluctuations

I haven't done enough reading about this to be certain, and it seems the evidence (like the article you referred to about Ian Frazer's reseach, Tung)is still fairly anecdotal. But, the oral contraceptive pill is protective against some gyanecological cancers, regardless of whether or not women menstruate while on the pill, or skip their periods. So it is not as simple as whether or not a woman "bleeds" once a month - it's related to the hormone fluctuations throughout the whole 28 day cycle, and not just the shedding of the lining of the uterus.

Hope that makes sense and / or clears some things up?

Don't listen to her, she's not a doctor (yet)

nubbin is a girl?

yes nubbin is a girl


it's not the physical period that is the issue or not - it is the fact that you are on a constant hormone level for 4 weeks (rather than the week off, or the "sugar pills") means that your hormones don't fluctuate... the fluctuations being the problem here

ahhh, hence the comment about the gyno exam.. Got it!

It's actually the drop in hormones that makes a woman get her period. So by not taking the sugar pills, you don't get that drop in ovarian hormones that cause the uterus lining to shed. Gynaecological cancers, on the other hand, are related to having too much of the hormone oestrogen. The point of the pill is that it combines oestrogen and progesterone (the other ovarian hormone) to prevent unopposed oestrogen stimulation of the uterus (which is what causes the cancer). The newer pills don't contain the same dose of oestrogen and progesterone - they change over the course of the 28 days to mimic more closey the normal hormonal fluctuations that occur. These newer pills are associated with less side effects (but you can't "skip" a period), but it will take time to tell if they are associated with a decreased long-term risk of cancer.

Oh, and the pill protects from some cancers (whether sugar pills are taken or not) but also increases the incidence of other cancers (e.g. breast). BASICALLY WE WOMEN ARE f***ED EITHER WAY hahhaa.

But to bring this back to the topic at hand, there is no way I would trust a male with sole responsibility of birth control - my body, my responsibility, cos it's me who's carrying that damn thing for 9 months if something stuffs up.

So, say for example the bird is due for some sugar pills Saturday, and she skips them for my weekend pleasure, are there any detrimental effects.

IE, how many times can you skip the sugar pills to put off your period without it being detrimental ? Or are you getting cancer after once ?

No no, it's fine to skip sugar pills. That won't give you cancer.

but it might give you herpes

what about progesterone only nubbin? how does that work in regards to oestrogen stimulation and such?

And bonus, if you like skip your sugar pills you can like lose weight.. OH MY GOD, that's like so the best idea EV-AH!

As a female I wouldn't trust a bloke to take a pill. They can't remember to change their underpants most days let alone take a pill at the same time everyday.

Thanks for the insight into your 'man' and his underwear changing habits.

Hahaha, you're a f***in' retard.
Like as if most guys want kids either.
Believe it or not, but quite a few guys stress about the whole not wanting to have kids and contraception thing.

I always swap my birds pills for M&M's.

f*** yeah to children

If you don't take care of the bitch, the bitch will take care of you.

I prefer donkey punching my women in the stomach when they tell me they are pregnant. Works good, Works cheap, Works fast.

You have.. a coat hanger.

what about progesterone only nubbin?

Progesterone-only birth control works by making the cervix hostile to sperm (yes, that's the medical term!) thereby preventing fertilisation (as opposed to the combined oral contraceptive pill, which inhibits ovulation). So with progesterone-only preparations, you don't get a lot of the unfavourable side effetcs of the Pill (which are caused by the oestrogen).

Dunno if this has been said, because this thread is full of so much bulls***.

But if it tasted like, and was packaged like a tic-tac...then they'd own

So with progesterone-only preparations, you don't get a lot of the unfavourable side effetcs of the Pill

I thought that there were still similar side effects for some women, albiet not as often? Also dosn't it have to be taken at the same time every day, give or take 1 1/2 hours?

Myself and my misses went hunting for alternative contraception methods and we both agree that condoms are not fun at all.
I'm quite willing to take a male 'pill' if it frees her from the stupid side-effects of the female pill, providing that the male pill has fewer side effects or that I'm not affected by them. I'm sure I'd be trusted too also.

Sucks not to be able to trust your partner in that regard :D

still similar side effects for some women

Most of the nastiness of the Pill comes from the oestrogen, but like any medication, progesterone only stuff has its own side effects (and yeah, you're right - the minipill has to be taken within 2 hours of the same time each day)...

As a female I wouldn't trust a bloke to take a pill.

Yeah cause you are all f***ing angels arent you.... idiots.

Never said that. Plus my partner doesn't trust himself to take it either

Research has shown that bleeding once a month for 12 months or more cna be very hazardous to your health

Um, every Dr I have ever had has old me not to skip a period being on the pill for more than 3 months as THAT is hazardous to your health.

Thet wouldn't have happened to be a BIOM2034 exam would it nubbin?

Negatory Johnny D...It was a med exam.

not to skip a period being on the pill for more than 3 months

That's a fairly old fashioned view - there's no substantiated evidence that taking continuous pill for longer than 3 months has a negative effect on your health (other than you don't know if you're pregnant or not!) and all the gynaecologists and specialists in the area I have been working with over the last couple of months don't recommend against it. In fact, continuous oral contraceptive pill is the treatment for many gynaecological disorders.

*Disclaimer - my comments on QGL are in no way intended as medical advice - for god's sake, see a real doctor people!*

Yeah cause you are all f***ing angels arent you.... idiots.

heh asif you'd arc up at something that is so almost certainly true about male behaviour it's the basis of 95% of television, and 99.999% of sitcoms

nubbin is a witch

Doctor nubbin, is it possible to collect lady eggs in a jar?
Also my ovaries hurt after getting tackled in a rugby game. Anything I can do to relieve the pain?

I'm getting all my medical advice from nubbin via QGL from now on, and if anything goes wrong I'll just roll out the lawyers.

So far Ive made it to 37 with no minime's
I have had 2 or 3 close calls tho

I'd happily take something which made me fire blanks

or you could just 69 through the rest of your life.

*Disclaimer - my comments on QGL are in no way intended as medical advice - for god's sake, see a real doctor people!*

Ahahaa.

haha i'm not arcing, just getting one back for the boys :)

nubbin, its also the treatment for such things as acne and other skin conditions!

this oral contraceptive pill is the bomb diggity, but for convenience and lack of MAJOR side effects, implanon or IUDs ftw (3 and 5 years respectively)

You're right Tung, but I was specifically talking about the continuous (no sugar break) pill.

As for no major side effects from an IUD - perforation of the uterus? Major pelvic infection? And that's aside from having a piece of copper wire inserted up ya! No thank you! And yeah, Implanon is a great option for a lot of women - just not for that ~20% who end up bleeding for > 3 weeks / month.

7 pages and no mention of 'pics or lying' ?

QGL peeps are loosing their touch!

there's no substantiated evidence that taking continuous pill for longer than 3 months has a negative effect on your health

I get this gut feeling that avoiding the cycle for a prolonged period of time isnt good for you. Medical sciences do tend to gloss over subtle mental illness and other things that cant be directly measured. Yet the evidence of what has been tested for does show it has little to no effect on the wellbeing of a person.

lack of MAJOR side effects .. implanon

A list of possible side effects:

# Headache
# Acne
# Weight gain
# Breast tenderness or pain
# Irregular menstrual bleeding
# Vaginal infections
# Depressed mood
# Decreased sex drive
# Decreased appetite
# Nervousness
# Dizziness
# Hot flushes
# Hair loss or growth
# Disturbances of the gut, eg abdominal pain, nausea, vomiting, constipation, diarrhoea
# Bruising at site of implant
# Irritation, pain or itching at site of implant
# Scarring or abscess at site of implant
# Vaginal discharge
# Migraine
# Rise in blood pressure
# Ovarian cysts

Yer nothing Major ;D

Also has the'rod' been known to cause permanant infertility?

last edited by Tollaz0r! at 09:22:54 22/Sep/06

I get this gut feeling

Medical evidence > Tollazor's gut feeling

yeah, i dunno if the missus will like me saying it, but the first implanon was great, the second one has caused some problems with bleeding every couple of weeks, but the doctor has said to take the pill to kick it back in

apparently its an issue with the 2nd implanon more than the first, but yeah.

a friend has the IUD to resolve some issues with ovarian polyps i think, so that was the best option for her

Medical evidence > Tollazor's gut feeling

Most big findings start as a gut feeling.

I'd happily take something which made me fire blanks

Why not just get the snip?

A list of possible side effects:

As long as bad breath aint on there I'm signing up. Sick of these damn ectopic pregnancies.

Medical evidence > Tollazor's gut feeling

oh, right, just because it was "proven" in some sort of "scientific" experiment, now all of a sudden it's the "truth"?

did science fail the onion on the belt?

from what I have gathered over the yrs, some women look forward to bleeding every month. sounds silly I never really understood it. not as in enjoy it but more a cyclical thing passing maybe

ladies?

Dolmio Grin for the loss..

from what I have gathered over the yrs, some women look forward to bleeding every month. sounds silly I never really understood it. not as in enjoy it but more a cyclical thing passing maybe

I don't look forward to it and never have (except when hoping you aren't pregnant).

However when it comes to getting the snip I would much prefer my partner get it done than me. I dunno what it is, but knowing that I didn't have working parts is a big thing, even if I never wanted to use them again. Dunno how to explain it

The pill also decreases sex drive quite a bit in some people, so on a limb, I would say all of those side affects are almost directly applicable to the pill as well.. Maybe even less of an issue with the rod because it is a smaller, but more consistend dose of a similar thing...?

no rainbow kisses for you huh Ticman?

Many men have ridden the crimson tide - but few will lap at its shores.

Hahahahaha

Most big findings start as a gut feeling.

True - I've been working all day and haven't eaten and my gut feeling is that I should eat something.

:P

she dont bleed

She does when i f*** her

^ Gross.

crime scene sex ftl

Personal experience there r_mazing? lol

A list of possible side effects:

Man... look at any prescription drug and you'll see a very long list of "possible side effects"...

What I wanna know is, cause implonon lasts for years, how the f*** is she gonna remember when to get it re-done!??!?!

Implanon needs to be replaced once every 3 years. Most women go and check up with their doctor sometime around the 3 year mark to find out when it's time to get a new one.

Edit: Also, the point with ANY medication is to way up the pro's and con's...are the side effects really likely and/or that bad when compared to the illness they are medicating and the side effects of that illness?...

last edited by Agent 99 at 07:54:23 23/Sep/06

wow check out this alien baby

That is what babies do oh Billy Boy. And yes, it is as uncomfy as it looks

drink lots of alcohol and it should settle down

That is what babies do oh Billy Boy.

o rly

the implanon actually has effectiveness up to about 5 years, but 3 is the safe mark they use

for real?

awesome, i mite have just bought myself another 4 years of not sharing my toys

i wouldnt bank on it dude :p