Just saw this report on the news, pretty interesting.

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2005/s1444603.htm

PETER COSTELLO: What I've said is that this is a country, which is founded on a democracy. According to our Constitution, we have a secular state. Our laws are made by the Australian Parliament. If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you. This is not the kind of country where you would feel comfortable if you were opposed to democracy, parliamentary law, independent courts and so I would say to people who don't feel comfortable with those values there might be other countries where they'd feel more comfortable with their own values or beliefs.

I bet this will get a rise out of the muslim comunity

So Pauline was right after all.

i'm glad someone had the balls to say it.

So Pauline was right after all.

She was actually interviewed earlier (heard an excerpt on Triple J) saying that this is exactly what she was saying and when she said it, she was persecuted for it and labelled a racist.

except she said it because they have dark skin and speak another language...

also, if you looked at all her policies together, it was pretty clear to see she was a racist bigot.

Go Peter! W00t!

oh wow, a media statement, how earth shattering.


If they started legislating to kick people out who break the law, then it would be worth reading. Right now its just posturing bulls***.

except she said it because they have dark skin and speak another language...

Really? I didn't hear her say that. I heard the media imply it lots of times but I don't recall ever hearing her say that.

Nb, I'm not a Pauline supporter, but I think she was certainly unfairly hosed by the media, who are jerks.

Regardless of wether pauline was 'right' when she got up and addressed the parliament I don't think the country was quite the 'same' interms of its cultural awareness... Australia has progressed a long way since then, we've developed our hatreds to encompass a great deal more cultures despite our multiculturally developed country tag..

Regards to costellos remarks... Wow i guess it now begins, the race to the next election with Costello at the helm... God save us all

if you think Costello will lead the Government to the next election you're sorely mistaken...

Johnny H also agreed with what he was saying, so maybe there will be some action taken about this in the future?

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if a country cant tolerate the differences in views how can you call it democratic...im not saying that the violence like what happened in sydney is rite , on the contrary i hope EVERY ONE who was part of the violence gets arrested and sent to jail.

but to say its either you see things the Goverenments way or Get out is not democratic..its single minded dictatorship "Either my way or no way" is basically what he is saying, and the fact that you all Defend him and Pauline just proves what every ethinc in this country already knows your ALL a bunsh of racist priks(why do you think ethnics stick together? cause when we go on a picnic or go to the beach we alwasy get the death stairs and the mean looks..so ethnics stick together) and unfortunatly hard working people like me who just want to make a living dont have much of a choice, so we just put up with the bull s*** cause we only want to work and live confortably.

Edit: for all you nubs that dont know..im not Muslim so dont think that what im saying is cause what costello said was anit muslim for anything like that.

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I bet this will get a rise out of the muslim comunity



yep it dont take much

tolerance is important i agree but immigrants have to abide by the laws created by parliament. if they are going to use their cultural background as an excuse to ignore the laws of this country they can back the f*** up to wherever country they came from.

guys, democracy is far too important to leave it up to the masses to decide.

I was born in a primarily Muslim country (not hard to guess which. Hint: they are about to get f***ed up for having a shady nuclear program) and came to Australia in the late 80's when there weren't too many foreigners around here. We were the target of casual, passive racism as you can imagine, from people who probably have never been overseas in their entire lives. After time we blended in and all of that stopped. I guess having an Australian accent and not looking Middle-Eastern at all in the first place went a long way for me.

Anyway, although I'm not a Muslim myself (I dislike any form of organised religion), and disliking Costello in general, I can see where he is coming from. There are heaps of not so good practices that I believe should morally be resisted for the bettering of the human race. Some Islamic practices/laws are a good example. I've seen enough religious extremism back in my birth country to know what's f***ed up and what isn't, despite my conflicting belief that people should have the right to live how they like. Many religious leaders harrass and place fear in the minds of their people. Not good at all.

Then again, my view doesn't matter, as in several years most cities will probably be completely diffused in terms of culture and religion. If anyone has seen the movie Code46, you could probably picture what I mean.

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There is only one law. Branagans law!

tolerance is important i agree but immigrants have to abide by the laws created by parliament. if they are going to use their cultural background as an excuse to ignore the laws of this country they can back the f*** up to wherever country they came from.

Agreed. but what you should also understand that alot of the laws they ingnore they claim they claim that because of their cultural background would get them shot in their country.
rather than saying Put up or shut up, maybe people who cause violence get sent to gail? or how about having a decent punishment rather than just giving a fine, when people see that if they start violent protests or the like they will go to jail for a long time, most of the violent people will learn not to do stupid things. however what COSTELLO is saying is if you even think diferently than us then leave. and thats just bull s***.

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If anyone has seen the movie Code46, you could probably picture what I mean.

Yep seen that movie. Such a pity it didn't live up to my expectations :( Has such great promise and premise to work with but it just got progressively crappy as the movie goes on.

however what COSTELLO is saying is if you even think diferently than us then leave. and thats just bull s***.

no he's not saying that at all. He made specific reference to Muslim clerics who are educating muslim youths in Australia, that while they live in Australia there are two sets of laws for them: Australian laws and Sharia law.

Costello is correct that in so far as civil law goes there is only onew law in Australia derived from the Australian Constituion.

The Constitution is a non-religious document, providing for freedom of religion. If Muslims want to pray to Mecca every day that is fine, buit if they want to disobey civil and criminal laws based on their Sharia beliefs then I would invite them to board a boat or plane ASAP.

infi's got it right.

Wait so people are supposed to obey the law now. Thank f*** he pointed that out.

death stairs

Sounds treacherous.

Not just obey it but not protest or challenge it...
I don't worry so much about how things will go in court for foreigners who may challenge policies, but how these sentiments will affect our culture in terms of territorialism among neighbours and stuff. Like follow the communities way or move to Ipswich...

Funny how Costello can say this and Hanson gets crucified. Shows what complete d*******s the general public can be. Pauline was the best thing that could have happened in some respects and so many people were so jaded and blinded in making decisions and forming opinions that it wasn't even funny.

Sadly, Costello is yet but another pathetic Christian, so he is not our hope to outlaw religious teaching to minors. And hence, he has NO chance to stamp out the Islamic 'problem' we are seeing, since it would also require him to crush Christianity/Catholicism in the process.

The constitution may well be non-religious, but our laws sure as hell are. I don't need a book to tell me morally right from wrong, clearly these idiots do.

reading that article makes me wanna punch that jones bloke in the throat. he's an atypical media sensationalist constantly trying to goad costello into making some reactionary comments & completely glossing over comments that would calm the situation.
i dont like costello or agree with his politics but in this situation & taken in the correct context what he is saying is essentially correct & good. ie: you can't immigrate to another country & not expect to be subject to thier laws. in particular, you can't put your religious laws above the secular laws of a secular government.

Pauline was the best thing that could have happened in some respects and so many people were so jaded and blinded in making decisions and forming opinions that it wasn't even funny.

well, she kinda shot herself in the foot with the "lets just print more money" idea. and thats just for starters. You really can't blame the public for thinking she was an idiot.

edit: further to this, she said things in a way that was very blunt and tactless, which is why she didn't have a lot of credibility, take this comparison for example:

from interview with her today-

"he [costello] needs to throw these people out of the country who do not embrace Australia."

versus how costello phrased the same basic idea:

"..If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you."

she really doesn't belong in the political arena.



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no he's not saying that at all. He made specific reference to Muslim clerics who are educating muslim youths in Australia, that while they live in Australia there are two sets of laws for them: Australian laws and Sharia law.

Costello is correct that in so far as civil law goes there is only onew law in Australia derived from the Australian Constituion.

The Constitution is a non-religious document, providing for freedom of religion. If Muslims want to pray to Mecca every day that is fine, buit if they want to disobey civil and criminal laws based on their Sharia beliefs then I would invite them to board a boat or plane ASAP.

yep, spot on. The way I read it he is simply letting people know that if they feel so strongly about thier beliefs that they might have trouble coping with our laws/lifestyles etc.. then they might feel uncomfortable here and and such they might wish to look elsewhere for places that better suit thier needs/beliefs. I dont think its an ultimatum at all, he's is just outling the wonderful democratic choice they have afforded them by this country.

And truthfully, if Oz is such a bad/tough place to live because of your deeply held beliefs then sit on your principles and ride off into the sunset.

I met Pauline once and she was a very nice lady, unfortuneately she was also as dumb and a sack of hammers.

:P

when people see that if they start violent protests or the like they will go to jail for a long time,

i think that when people stab random people in large groups singleing out small numbers of others that the should be shot in the f*** for being retarded.

look at me, i can make out that the other party is at fault too!

she was an idiot, a narrow minded idiot, with narrow minded focus. unfortunately that's what 95% of the voting public are too (maybe i'm being too conservative with my estimate).

If she was PM and one-nation ran the country... well that would be even worse than Latham.

And truthfully, if Oz is such a bad/tough place to live because of your deeply held beliefs then sit on your principles and ride off into the sunset.

Yeh, I f***ing reckon. Most of the places I see on the news that have forms of government based on religion don't look so hot. They're all cratery and smoking.

And have Vice-Presidents firing guns (oh the US has that too).

i'm more surprised this needed to be said at all ... pretty obvious logic, been around for centuries, when in rome ...

but i guess some foreigners may not be familiar with it, props to costel for reminding/educating on this

Yeh, I f***ing reckon. Most of the places I see on the news that have forms of government based on religion don't look so hot. They're all cratery and smoking.

thread winning quote

couldnt agree more.

Most of the places I see on the news that have forms of government based on religion don't look so hot. They're all cratery and smoking.

That's a f***ing classic statement!!
Not often I say this to ya trog, but, "Love Your Work Dude, Love Your Work!"

Costello lost with the abortion drug so he needs something more to keep himself in the spot light.

damn straight, listen up muslims

Hmmm lets see how the autralian commonwealth was brought into existence:

Whereas the people of New South Wales, Victoria, South Australia, Queensland, and Tasmania, humbly relying on the blessing of Almighty God, have agreed to unite in one indissoluble Federal Commonwealth under the Crown of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, and under the Constitution hereby established:

And whereas it is expedient to provide for the admission into the Commonwealth of other Australian Colonies and possessions of the Queen:

Be it therefore enacted by the Queen's Most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Lords Spiritual and Temporal, and Commons, in this present Parliament assembled, and by the authority of the same, as follows ...

The bolding of course mine. I assumed you would be a bit smarter in this regard trog. Many legal and governmental systems were formed in an era where religion had a lot of power and consequently a lot of influence. To believe only "they" have a legal and governmental system based on religion is truly narrow minded.

per s 116 of the Constitution:

116 Commonwealth not to legislate in respect of religion
The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any
religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for
prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test
shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust
under the Commonwealth.

you just got served :p

I assumed you would be a bit smarter in this regard trog.

Why, because of my reknowned extensive knowledge of the history of the Australian Commonwealth as brought to bear on a thread in which the first post states that our Constitution is based on the fact that we're a secular state? I can see why you'd be confused!

Costello lost with the abortion drug so he needs something more to keep himself in the spot light.

Erm.. I'm pretty sure he won with the abortion drug, he voted against Abbott and Abbott lost??

^^spot on antisane. i think tanaka needs to read the news links he posts :)

Yeh, I f***ing reckon. Most of the places I see on the news that have forms of government based on religion don't look so hot. They're all cratery and smoking.

trog wins.

pauline, how we weep for thee

No free man shall be arrested, or imprisoned, or deprived of his property, or outlawed, or exiled, or in any way destroyed, nor shall we go against him or send against him, unless by legal judgement of his peers, or by the law of the land.

Another interpretation,

No free man shall be seized or imprisoned, or stripped of his rights or possessions, or outlawed or exiled, or deprived of his standing in any other way, nor will we proceed with force against him, or send others to do so, except by the lawful judgement of his equals or by the law of the land.

(On a side note, it's my opinion that those anti-terrorist laws are bs and totally violate this)

Anyone who thinks Australian law is not based on religion clearly doesn't have a clue about Australian law.
Fool yourself all you want, but it's simply not true.

per s 116 of the Constitution:

Forcing or disallowing religion is one thing, which is all 116 does. In no way does it prevent laws being made based on religious texts or rationale, and one way or another politicians bias decisions disguised with other reasons, but their real motivation is religion. It's utterly disgusting.
The only argument/push for anti-abortion is all religious based and genetic+stem-cell research is all religious based, and I find it to be an utter disgrace that this kind of preaching/forcing is allowed.

Regarding Pauline Hanson -
It really does blow that politics requires you to be careful how you say things, not say things how it is and as normal people think it to themselves and are too s***scared to say. At least Pauline did this.

Democracy is not a f***ing free for all. If you don't aggree with the laws of a country, f*** off. Don't hide behind the 'if it was really democratic you'd let us be measured by a completely different yard stick' crap.

Costello is f***ing spot on, and Hanson, despite not being the brightest tool in the shed, would get my vote. Why? Because we need a leader who will stand up and say 'this is how it's going to be'. I don't give a s*** if they turn out to have made a bad call, they can be wrong. As long as they were wrong decisively.

The current government's constant procrastination (it's much worse in UK) with reguards to doing something about the blatant racial divide is nigh on criminal. They are doing f*** all to stop what will eventually turn into a civil war.

Muslims will not compromise with us, they have shown that repeatedly, they are not democratic. In England they wanted Xmas decorations in the towns and city's taken down because it offended them! f*** that! I will fight every one of them before I live in a country deprived of it's proud Christian heritage!

And Australia is facing the same problem. We do not integrate, we segregate. We stick with our own kind, we f***ing hate each other to put it bluntly. I will sit down, have a drink and a laugh with a black bloke, or a muslim, I'd probably get along with more than a few, but at the end of the day we're all f***ing different, we cannot share.

Multiculturalism, all that s***, is a farce. It will NEVER work.

Good on ya costello. After the comments i hope he becomes the next PM. Someone needed to say it, and he had the balls to do so. I'm really getting sick of the soft cock attitude of this country. Get tough already.

couldnt have said it better myself Vash

With all honesty, I think infi clearly wins. That said trogs one liner was great.

Jumping on the bandwagon for this one, at least Costello has said it. In a muslim society (i dont mean to be heaving all this s*** at muslims) we are forced to obey their laws. A woman who has a Australian passport must dress the same as a woman who has a Saudi Arabian passport. We get f***all choice about it and we are forced to obey their customs, I honestly dont see why people can't give the common curtesy to obey ours.

btw Two&Eight.

Thats f***ing disgraceful and it angers me that people actually had the audacity to ask that one of the countries main holidays and celebrations be reduced to suit them. f***ing disgrace

pauline said it ages ago and now costello is getting praised for restating her ideas

He said it better.

Everyday muslim ppl are very welcome here.

BUT, to me and most logical australians we find extremist, fundamentalist, jihady islamists are just brainwashed cultists led by maniacal, power hungry cult leaders. Whose principles remind me of Nazi Germany.

We are very tolerant ppl with a country based on tolerance and democracy. However we are very IN-tolerant of in-tolerant ppl.

Good on ya Pete.
(Although he still looks like a sneaky c*** who just f***ed a s***house rat)

he said it with less blatant racism and actually spoke about the legal basis for his opinion. she on the other hand is white tash.

no u r

nou

Actually when it comes down to it, you should commend his speech writer

f*** all politicians in their stupid arses.

i totally hate costello but hes right

australian laws first
then whatever laws u want

i dislike religions to begin with
any religion that bans bacon is pure madness

Costello lost with the abortion drug so he needs something more to keep himself in the spot light.

Erm.. I'm pretty sure he won with the abortion drug, he voted against Abbott and Abbott lost??

Abbott and Costello, can you really blame me for getting them mixed up?
HEY ABBOTT!!

^ Was wondering if anyone here would make the connection =)

I f***ing love this country, but its not a proud moment when the leaders are saying these sort of things. They need to back it up with legislation that clearly defines someone who does not have our 'values' and prosecute them. I mean do these people even exist in Australia, or is he just trying to stir s*** so people forget about AWB?

I guess time will tell.

Adopt our ways or get out.. A stance taken by many.

Did those that colonised australia do this for the Aboriginals of Australia? From what I remember ... no? So why is it ok for Australia to say it now, yet not demonstrate the same for the people of Australia when it was colonised?

Wasnt the stace taken back then something along the lines that these poor people (Australian Aboriginals) are babaric and un-civilised so we (colonisers) will make them civilised?

i got this in an email the other day.

>>
>>
>>
>>Australia- The Right to Leave
>>
>>In Our Country - YOU Have the right - the right to leave !
>>
>>After Sydney not wanting to offend other cultures by putting up Xmas
>>lights.
>>
>>After hearing that the State of South Australia changed its opinion and
>>let a Muslim woman have her picture on her driver's license with her
>>face covered.
>>
>>This prompted this editorial written by an Australian citizen.
>>Published in an Australian newspaper.
>>
>>Quote:
>>
>>IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It
>>I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some
>>individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali, we
>>have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians.
>>
>>However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the
>>"politically correct" crowd began complaining about the possibility
>>that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration,
>>nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by
>>coming to Australia.
>>
>>However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to
>>our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand.
>>
>>This idea of Australia being a multicultural community has served only
>>to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Australians, we
>>have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own
>>lifestyle.
>>
>>This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials
>>and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.
>>
>>We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese,
>>Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part
>>of our society, Learn the language!
>>
>>"In God We Trust" is our National Motto. This is not some Christian,
>>right wing, political slogan. We adopted this motto because Christian
>>men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this
>>is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on
>>the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you
>>consider another part of the world as your new home, Because God is
>>part of
>>our culture.
>>
>>If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like " A Fair Go",
>>then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this
>>planet.
>>
>>We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, And we
>>really don't care how you did things where you came from.
>>
>>This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you
>>every opportunity to enjoy all this.
>>
>>But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag,
>>Our Pledge, Our National Motto, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage
>>you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom,
>>
>>"THE RIGHT TO LEAVE".
>>
>>If you aren't happy here then LEAVE We didn't force you to come
>>here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.
>>Pretty easy really, when you think about it.
>>
>>I figure if we all keep passing this to our friends (and enemies) it
>>will also, sooner or later get back to the complainers,
>>lets all try, please.

Was wondering if anyone here would make the connection =)

Maybe you and I are the only ones old enough to remember Abbott and Costello here Hermi?

but to say its either you see things the Goverenments way or Get out is not democratic..its single minded

Ummm no. It's a values that 90% of Australians believe in. The Government speak for the population. It's about time they said something to the ethnic groups that bring troubke from their own countries to here.
But really in the end it's the Governments fault for letting them in.

The Constitution is a non-religious document, providing for freedom of religion. If Muslims want to pray to Mecca every day that is fine, buit if they want to disobey civil and criminal laws based on their Sharia beliefs then I would invite them to board a boat or plane ASAP.

Damn f***ing straight.

I'll add my 2 comments:

1. I have met ALOT of muslims, frequently travel to Syd and Melb etc. Most are scum. Hell even the ones I haven't spoken to act like fking d*******s to people for no reason. It true for like 99% of them, especially the youth. But there are a minority who are "better" than typical "Australians". Hard working, decent people who don't view their religion as a veil in which to segregate themselves. Anyways, racial profiling+++. Oh yeah I'm referring to middle-eastern muslims, not curries, they're all champs :)

2. It is a fact that every country with a large muslim migration has suffered economic and social problems. A key example it France. Take it how you want.

I completely agree with that email LiquidWax... adapt or leave. simple.

curry muslims are pretty bad, just ask the curries :)

What I want to know is why the silly, islamic-cultists leave their own f***ed up s***hole countries to come here to our nice friendly country, then try and turn Australia into another f***ed-up s***hole islamic country like the one they just left?
Then have the nerve to say we are racsist for not letting them f***-up our country?

Why don't they just stay in their own f***ed-up s***hole islamic country?

Anyone who thinks Australian law is not based on religion clearly doesn't have a clue about Australian law.
Fool yourself all you want, but it's simply not true.

Law is so boring *yawn* no wonder everyone hates lawyers... (sister is one) lol!

Good on ya costello. After the comments i hope he becomes the next PM. Someone needed to say it, and he had the balls to do so. I'm really getting sick of the soft cock attitude of this country. Get tough already.

f*** oath. f*** off Johnny soft cock.

Why don't they just stay in their own f***ed-up s***hole islamic country?

Because this f***ed up government gives them the dole and hand outs etc. to come to this awsome country so Australians can come on to a gaming forum and btich about ethics trying to f*** up this countrys' values!

I blame the soft government.

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respect my authorita!

respect my authorita!

Repsect my cock of wisdom! :)

so does this development mean we can ditch Abbot, Howard, Rudd, Jensen and all those other c*******s who keep trying to impose their religions into law and politics

or does this rule only apply for non-christian religions

common sense

here's a clue for you tallaz0r, times change. we evolve.

the aboriginals are lucky they weren't wiped out, as it was clearly acceptable back in those times. in these times, i have no doubt they'd be treated fairly. this is obvious, stop being a dumbass.

btw, 2 cents for the muslim debate thing happening, they ask for so much tolerance of their religion, but what if we went to their country and did the same? i have trouble accepting people's religious beliefs as it is, i hate religions, but with a double standard like this one, i'm finding it next to impossible.

i reckon muslims should get there best fighter.... and put them up against our best fighter, which probably is me... and ill f***en powerup to super saiyan 2 and ill kamehamaha him !

Maybe a KFC eating contest? The first to finish a 21 piece bucket wins!

i reckon muslims should get there best fighter.... and put them up against our best fighter, which probably is me... and ill f***en powerup to super saiyan 2 and ill kamehamaha him !

pfft only super saiyan 2. u sark

yeah i know i suck man... i need to see mr. popo and spend some time in the hyperbolic time chamber.

I lol'ed, alot at those two comments by ace.

"Australian Values" is a bulls***, feel-good phrase with no meaning or definition whatsoever. Seriously, somebody please help me out here and tell me what these uniquely Australian values we are all supposed to have are ?

Lets not forget that it's only 30 years since the 'White Australia' policy. Historically speaking, Xenophobia has been a pretty core Australian value. From some of the posts in this thread, it seems like little has changed.

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Theres a big difference between Xenophobia and being concerned about some psychotic, racist, backward, murdering, non-assimilating, intolerant, brain washed, wife bashing, arrogant, terrorist sympathising... Islamists, who wish to 'take-over' and change Australia.

You know, we aren't the isolated little society that we were 50 yrs ago when the 'White Australia Policy' was around. Therefore I find your reference to this policy in relation to today's modern multicultural society... irrelevant.

Theres a big difference between Xenophobia and being concerned about some psychotic, racist, backward, murdering, non-assimilating, intolerant, brain washed, wife bashing, arrogant, terrorist sympathising... Islamists, who wish to 'take-over' and change Australia.

You know, we aren't the isolated little society that we were 50 yrs ago when the 'White Australia Policy' was around. Therefore I find your reference to this policy in relation to today's modern multicultural society... irrelevant

wow got paranoia? maybe you should take some dedication for that? or better yet go to a mental hospital.

"Australian Values" is a bulls***, feel-good phrase with no meaning or definition whatsoever. Seriously, somebody please help me out here and tell me what these uniquely Australian values we are all supposed to have are ?

not enitrely sure but if its getting drunk off your face on the week end then i have it down to prefection

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Theres a big difference between Xenophobia and being concerned about some psychotic, racist, backward, murdering, non-assimilating, intolerant, brain washed, wife bashing, arrogant, terrorist sympathising... Islamists, who wish to 'take-over' and change Australia.

dude, you need to watch less ACA.

You know, we aren't the isolated little society that we were 50 yrs ago when the 'White Australia Policy' was around. Therefore I find your reference to this policy in relation to today's modern multicultural society... irrelevant.

I mentioned it only as an aside, mainly because people who preach "Australian Values" usually start with the words "This country was founded on...blah blah blah" and somehow having 70ish years of government-instituted racism seems to slip their memory.

So does anyone know if any islamists have decided to leave the country yet?