http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22896159-2,00.html

NINE men who pleaded guilty last month to gang-raping a 10-year-old girl at the Aurukun Aboriginal community on Cape York have escaped a prison term, with the sentencing judge saying the child victim "probably agreed" to have sex with them.

And the family is angry, the girl has had to leave the village, there are many brawls with sticks and spears etc... Pretty f***ed up. I dunno what this judge is thinking... that perhaps this is normal for Aboriginals or something?

It's a female judge too. She's involved with the CJC and the Children's Court... yay.

Verdict if f***ed...

there are many brawls with sticks and spears

That's funny though.

wow.

says alot for our f***ed up system hey, all things considered

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Trog? A non news.com.au article? lol

And they say the intervention into Aboriginal Communities was an over reaction....

wtf...Age of consent ??

As liberal minded as i am, i have a hard time believing that the same sentence would be handed down if all involved were white australians.

it's cause they are abos, if it was you or me who gang raped a 10 yr old you'd be locked away for life

is it because they are privilaged or they are backwards?

does a 10yr old even have a sexual drive at that age?

does a 10yr old even have a sexual drive at that age?

Even if they do, which they dont - I doubt its for 9 people at the same time.

This is seriously f***ed up. I dont know what the hell the judge was thinking.

cue jealous judge comments...

wheres the outrage from the aboriginal community that we heard so much from after that guy died in custody?

If it had been 10 white guys there would be riots in every aboriginal community in australia.

They obviously care more about an adult male that was being arrested than a 10 year old child that has done nothing wrong.

There's outrage, it's just out of the way and they don't have molotov cocktails.

give the abos a break. it's ok in their culture you racists.

in our law, they r still guilty even if the 10-year-old girl indubitably agreed

I want to know how a 26 year old can have sex with a 10 year old and not become a registered child sex offender?

That's seriously f***ed.

Well we obviously don;t know the full facts of the case but....

How a judge can rule that a 10 year old can give some form of consent is beyond me. Even if she did agree to having sex with all of these men... what the hell does that have to do with anything.. she is 10 years old! Whats the point of age of consent laws to protect children from this kind of abuse if they have no effect in case of this severity! Seems really absurd.

I think there is alot more to this story that we aren't hearing though.

I want to know how a 26 year old can have sex with a 10 year old and not become a registered child sex offender?

I think in the article it said he was ALREADY a registered sex offender. (or i read it somewhere else).

"My attitude of violence towards women and children, including sexual violence towards women and children, is one of zero tolerance," he said.

I hope the media dogs him on this..

One of the adult rapists is on the Australian National Child Offence Register following a conviction on March 29 last year for unlawful carnal knowledge of a female child - an offence committed after he was charged with the rape of the 10-year-old girl.

wonder if she asked for it too :\

zug zug

1 law for them 1 law for us

instead of attacking the judge, you should first look to the Crown Prosecutor. Judge Bradley sentenced exactly what the prosecution requested.

yeah I think some people need to get a clue how "the system" works before they comment on it.

judge must do what prosecution request?

damn... thought they had some input on the sentancing also...

How do you get a judge fired? Who is a judge's 'manager' ? etc...
Kevin Rudd has come out against this Judge - can he do something about it?

A judge can only be fired by the parliament on limited grounds of derelection of duty or insanity.

The judge is not limited to the prosecutor's request but will be guided by it. There is also an isue of manadatory sentencing in the NT. Was this NT?

qld i believe...

QUEENSLAND Attorney-General Kerry Shine says he will appeal the sentences... yadda yadda

QLD

I heard Anna Bligh has declared all cases from that area from the last 2 years be reviewed...

Pointless politics to win brownie points by QLD Govt. Sentences must be appealed within 28 days of judgment.

While judge's aren't bound to prosecutor requests and they often hand down judgment less than the prosecutors requests, it is very very rare for a judge to hand down a judgment more than the prosecutor request.

10 aboriginals rape an aboriginal kid and they get off
10 white guys rape an aboriginal kid and it would be non stop drama
10 white guys rape a white kid and they still get messed up...

pretty unfair

Any rape, black or white, should be punishable by stonning to death.

thats probably one thing i can think of thats worse than rape

f***ing news.com.au again with its chronic bulls***

there are a few key reasons why no one was sentenced to prison.
for starters the rapists were unaware they were not allowed to have sex with someone under 16, the reason they didnt know this is because most of them probably didnt finish primary school and even if they did the government offers f*** all in education when it comes to abo kids.

secondly the judge herself is a softcock for abo's in general, and i dont mean that in a bad way. she's judged up there for over 10 years and is well aware that harsh punishment solves nothing and that that the majority of abo's she sentences to prison end up dead and outcasted from there comunity.

thirdly the 10 year old wasnt aware her self that she wasnt allowed to have sex when under the age of 16, from what ive read it wasnt made clear wether she did or did not give consent but it was heavily implied by her statements that she was aware of what was going on and didnt try to stop it she also used the word "exciting"

dont ask for links cause google will f***ing own your ass.

ps. f*** i hate news.com.au

p.s. no education or not it's pretty self f***ing explanatory when a chick doesn't even have grass on the wicket she isn't going to even know what the word consent means..

the guys are f***ing idiots, and using the "oh im un-educated i didn't know i can't root under 16 year olds"

that s*** was never taught, it was just something u were told by parents / mates.

there are a few key reasons why no one was sentenced to prison.

all 3 of those seem pretty lame reasons to me, particularly the 2nd and 3rd

1) ignorance isn't an excuse

2) punishment/behaviour-correction aren't the only reasons to put a person away - society needs to be protected from them as well - not to mention the lack of example set

3) again with the ignorance excuse - and who knows what kind of duress the kid was under or what psychological reaction governed her responses after the fact

even if a 10 year old consents to it, a 26 year old who has sex with her - should go to jail.

yeah lucky our schools told us it was bad to get a group of 8 mates and all root a 10 year old...

god knows what we'd all be up to today if we'd been wagging school that day...

but spidz the point is age of consent

a 10 y/o cant give consent cause she is not of an age to be allowed to give consent

she could be screaming give it to me daddy but it doesnt mean you shove a 10 inch dong in it

and the people taking part in this crime over the age of 18 should be in gaol

ppl under 18 should go to juvy hall

everyone should be punished

yeah lucky our schools told us it was bad to get a group of 8 mates and all root a 10 year old...

god knows what we'd all be up to today if we'd been wagging school that day...

I think we got that class in Grade 11 between maths and english. The guy next to me was reading porn, hope he isn't a rapist as a result!

but spidz the point is age of consent

a 10 y/o cant give consent cause she is not of an age to be allowed to give consent

she could be screaming give it to me daddy but it doesnt mean you shove a 10 inch dong in it

and the people taking part in this crime over the age of 18 should be in gaol

ppl under 18 should go to juvy hall

everyone should be punished

I know, thats why I said he should be in jail...?

isn't that why spidz said 'even if'?

give the abos a break. it's ok in their culture you racists.

Says the guy referring to them as "abos".

Also, I'm fairly certain that girls are supposed to reach sexual maturity (i.e. start menstration and therefore be able to bear children) before they're okay to dally with in even "primitive" cultures...

So unless she was advanced (the average being ~12y.o.) then it's still not okay.

/two cents.

heh finally a bite for infi
or a nibble really

i do my best...

but even if doesnt apply - a 10 year old cant consent even if she wanted to

have you ever thought that 10 year old can consent to sex in the indigenous Australian culture. stop being so European-biased and racist.

respect the abo way of life.

my point was, they should go to jail.

Which seems to be your point also, so why were you directing your point at me as if I needed convincing?

i think its the crux of the thread.. the judge said she consented.. my view is she cant consent even if she consents which she cant do, consent that is.....

y am i getting flash backs to monty python

lets get the judge drunk and f*** her, she can give consent then take it back the next day and call rape and then we f*** her over.

sounds rad

sign me up

but even if doesnt apply - a 10 year old cant consent even if she wanted to

heh

the girl can consent to what ever she f***ing likes if she doesnt realise that what she is doing is illegal. if she then realises its illegal and wants to go all "he/they raped me" then the line gets a little grey, especially when it comes to underage sex, one would think the rapists (being the older/more mature people involved) should know better, however when it comes to abo's they dont know better, they are not educated on simple facts of life, in most cases they arent even educated enough to get a grasp on what sex really is especially what sex to someone underage is and why it is wrong.

ive met abo's as old as myself that can barely tie there own shoe laces let alone read or talk sense and its one of teh saddest things ive ever seen. the people who introduced me to this particular person informed me that his parents were so f***ing smacktard on fumes through out the pregnancy that he came out nonged in the head, and he was rushed through a hospitol and spat out in the wasteland of society with out being properly checcked to see if he was ok, he spent the first 7 years in school and seemed normal as the average intelligence for a year 7 abo student is pretty f***ing low, it wasnt untill he got into a fight and had serious injuries and was sent to hospitol that they realised he was somewhat brain damaged in the head and had been since birth.

thats the kind of f***ed up lives they live in.

then there is also the factor that the majority of abo's that go to prison commit suicide, and our outcasted from there tribe and end up sitting under a tent somewhere near darwin sniffing fumes out of a vb bottle while swiping flys away from there face untill they eventually pass out and choke on there own vomit, but of course not before mounting some abo women who was keen for it and producing another smacktard fumed up nonged in the head baby.

so i see no injustice what so ever in the judges decision. infact well done to her, i hope they make her a saint.

Thread needs more racism.

how do they do all that after committing suicide in prison?

so i see no injustice what so ever in the judges decision. infact well done to her, i hope they make her a saint.

Jesus christ I hope you're just trolling groganus, the girl was ten years old. Forget about what her ethnicity is, she's a child who was pack-raped by 9 men all of whom pleaded guilty to the charges and 5 of them aren't even going to get a conviction recorded. It's disgusting.

how do they do all that after committing suicide in prison?

them darkness use voodoo majik

the majority of abo's that go to prison commit suicide

Proof to back up this retarded statement?

Jesus christ I hope you're just trolling groganus, the girl was ten years old. Forget about what her ethnicity is, she's a child who was pack-raped by 9 men all of whom pleaded guilty to the charges and 5 of them aren't even going to get a conviction recorded. It's disgusting.

when it comes to coons(now thats racist), you cant just forget about the race, they need special treatment, i personlly dont think one 10yr old getting "raped" is worth the deaths of 8 others, not to mention all the other possible f***ed up outcomes including the reproduction of more brain f***ed abo's.

aka its just feeding this kind of s*** back in to the abo society.

dont get me wrong, i think a 10 year old having sex is disgusting, but i find it more disgusting that instead of going "omg how did this happen, why did this happen" everyone focuses on the punishment of those involved.

Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
I could understand it if they had committed a crime that may have been easily misunderstood in a cultural sense, say, trespassing onto government land.
I could even understand some leniency if one young man had sex with a 15 year old girl and pleaded ignorance (although it would still be a crime and he still should be punished).

But 9 guys having sex with a ten year old girl? There is no way you can justify that in any way, and uneducated or not, common f***ing sense tells you that is just plain wrong. If a 13 year old boy tried to have sex with a ten year old girl he would be branded a degenerate. An eighteen year old? A 26 year old? They should be branded. Branded with a hot iron right before having their cocks cut off and thrown to the maximum security rapists for a bit of eye for an eye style justice.

I bet the "uneducated" lifer granny murderers will say they wanted 'it' too.

Black or white doesn't matter. Leave kids alone you sick c***s.

everyone focuses on the punishment of those involved.

Well, if the punishment is harsh enough, you can only hope that it may stop others from committing a similar crime.

i want to focus on how an educated officer of the law can condone it

Proof to back up this retarded statement?

a quick google search

its a little out of date aka 1998 but from the last time i was investigating this the recent information indicated more of a jump, in both the number of those incarcerated and those killing themselves. as abo communitys were encouraged more to dis-own those who were incarcerated as a way of solving the problem, a good intention yes, but really didnt solve any problems at all.

ive met abo's as old as myself that can barely tie there own shoe laces let alone read or talk sense and its one of teh saddest things ive ever seen.

should know better, however when it comes to abo's they dont know better, they are not educated on simple facts of life, in most cases they arent even educated enough to get a grasp on what sex really is especially what sex to someone underage is and why it is wrong.

Let me guess...are some of your best friends black too?
What a massive cock you are saying s*** like that whether trolling or not.
Please provide facts to back up your ridiculously retarded comments and observations on a topic you obviously know nothing whatsoever about.
I am sure Aboriginal people neither want or need your misguided pity. If this is truly your attitude, consider yourself part of the problem.

groganus = racist piece of s***.

dont get me wrong, i think a 10 year old having sex is disgusting, but i find it more disgusting that instead of going "omg how did this happen, why did this happen" everyone focuses on the punishment of those involved.

probably a fair point, but everything else you are saying is mostly narrow minded bulls***, just at the other end of the spectrum.

Let me guess...are some of your best friends black too?
What a massive cock you are saying s*** like that whether trolling or not.
Please provide facts to back up your ridiculously retarded comments and observations on a topic you obviously know nothing whatsoever about.
I am sure Aboriginal people neither want or need your misguided pity. If this is truly your attitude, consider yourself part of the problem.

i dont offer them any pity short of commenting on my own experiences with aboriginals, and while they appear to be filthy disgusting human beings i cant help but feel that white australia made them that way, and we should be more ashamed of the way we treat them then the way they treat each other.

and no, i dont have any black friends (any more, because i relocated) but i did, most of them were halfcast or as they use to say coconuts and for the good part that i knew them worked there ass's off to be more then there central australian cousins, only to be constantly reminded by there own kind that are neglected and left drinking metho underneath a mango tree, that they are and always will be considered the s*** kickers of this country and no more then that. and while they may not be the s*** kickers of the country and while they may have the ability within them to become something as great as any white man, they will most likely fail with that kind of inspiration to look at it.

"omg how did this happen, why did this happen"

Because apparently, it's okay to rape little girls.

I can sort of see where you're coming from on this, but I think you'd find that the suicide rate for ANY child sex offenders is relatively high - they aren't treated nicely by anyone in prison.

Another point you've made is being incarcerated leads to ostracisation from their tribe upon release...

Not unlike the (rightly deserved, you might say) hate and slander campaigns launched in neighbourhoods all over the western world when a child sex offender is released back into the community.

Bottom line is this: while the Aboriginal community may have a different way of doing the same thing, there's nothing particularly unique about their actions. Those men broke the law (I'd be interested to know if they broke tribal laws at all?) and are essentially getting off despite having said "Yes, we did it."

Sounds like the only one on the paint round here is you 'anus.
But thanks for further muddying the waters, and failing to even begin to understand issues of race in Australia with your half-assed attempt at sociological analysis.
Again, you represent part of the problem.
Well done.


I wonder if you would have the same attitude when you got home to find 9 guys f***ing your 10 year old daughter?

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i dont see how admitting to a crime, no matter how little it may be, can get you a free pass on said crime. how f***ed up is this judge to think a 10 year girl would consent to something like that.

I don’t see how admitting to a crime, no matter how little it may be, can get you a free pass on said crime. How f***ed up is this judge to think a 10 year girl would consent to something like that.

the stupid thing is that no matter what the girl was thinking, or what the guys knew or didn't know about the law regarding statutory rape, they committed a crime. No matter how you play it ignorance of the law is not an excuse in our system of law and for the crime they committed, when at least one was a known sex offender, should be jail.

No matter what the prosecutor requested, jail is what should have been imposed. if you then say "oh, boo hoo, aboriginals end up committing suicide in gaol" who the f*** cares. These guys raped a 10yr old girl. If they commit suicide in gaol it just spares society the cost of keeping them caged.

I doubt their prison lives would of been very nice. not that any prison life is good but i ment soon as the other inmates found out why there were in there for... well i imagine whatever happened would involve shiv and a body part of said offender

well thats too bad. maybe that will be a deterrent for other child sex offenders.

It would send a pretty straight forward message to that community if all involved suddenly ended up with all rapists concerned, found dead with bullet holes in their head.

I know if I lived in that environment an was originally under the impression that sorta s*** was ok, I might, might just rethink the next time mkay...

I mean s***, people put dogs down for even biting a kid
You cry equal rights, then all are treated equally, regardless of race, creed, breed or colour
f*** this one rule for one side of the fence an then another for the other.

i dont offer them any pity short of commenting on my own experiences with aboriginals, and while they appear to be filthy disgusting human beings i cant help but feel that white australia made them that way, and we should be more ashamed of the way we treat them then the way they treat each other.

gotta agree with that

they appear to be filthy disgusting human beings

but

we should be more ashamed of the way we treat them

Call me crazy, but maybe start by not calling them filthy and disgusting?
Individuals need to be ashamed if they treat other individuals with no respect ie calling Aborigines coons etc. As a community we need to understand the issues and work towards solutions.

If your argument is a serious one (and I hope for your sake it isn't) how can you on the one hand carry on about how white Australia is to blame, it's not Aborigines fault etc, and then call them filthy disgusting coons?

Perhaps you should keep your half-baked pseudo-sociology to yourself instead of trying to look like you know something. You are part of the problem, nothing more.

settle vege-boy
he said they appear to be filthy and disgusting... thats a comment on appearance. Didn't see him mention the term "coons" either.

seems you read too much news.com.au?

when i see an indigenous person i don't see a "filthy disgusting human being" - i don;t think he/ she was making a comment on their appearance at all.

You can read, right?

when it comes to coons(now thats racist), you cant just forget about the race

Yeah no mention of "coons" at all...also previously he refers to Aborigines as "abos", which makes me think these are the terms he thinks are ok to use to describe Aborigines. If you think Groganus, as you point out, that calling them "coons" is racist, and then you go ahead and call them that then I guess that makes you racist by your own definition.

Also:
Oh, so in this context there's a difference between saying someone "appears" to be a certain way and saying that they are? I don't think so. I am pretty sure what Groganus meant to say was that Aboriginals ARE filthy and disgusting and it is white Australia's fault. I don't he meant Aboriginals APPEAR to be filthy and disgusting but in reality are something other than that.

I think calling Aboriginals "filthy and disgusting human being(s)" is a massive generalisation, and in fact a fairly typical form of racism that exist in society. It is failing to see people as individuals and thus branding all members of a particular race or ethnicity with similar traits/appearance/attitudes etc.


I don't read news.com.au for the record. But I do read other more reliable sources of information and I use common sense and good judgement to look at issues and decide what is right and decent.

There wasn't a great deal of information about the case in the original article, it's more just political dick-waving. For all we know, the judge may have consciously chosen to let them stay free because she felt the tribe would serve a more appropriate punishment than the prison system could. Not saying I particularly agree with that speculation, but just something to think about before flying off the handle about kiddie-rapists supposedly going free.

well I guess cape york can advertise itself as an alternative tourist destination for the folk that normally hit up thailand

Abo is a perfectly good term to refer to an Abo... anyone who says otherwise is just trying to get attention. You don't hear anyone defending the Scottish "oh nos dont call them scots you racists"...

"abo" is a slang derogatory term. It doesn't really matter what you think, it is commonly seen in Australian society as a racist term so by definition it is racist. Language is governed by popular consensus. The term 'scot' is what the people of Scotland refer to themselves as:

In modern use, "Scottish people" or "Scots" refers to anyone born or living in Scotland. In a wider sense, it can also apply to people who are descended from the ethnic Scots and who identify as Scottish. While the Latin word Scoti[7] originally applied to a particular, 5th century, Gaelic tribe that inhabited areas in the north of Ireland and western Scotland,[8] the term Scots is now used to describe all Scottish people.

The term "abo" is a word whites used in a derogatory manner to describe aborigines in Australia. The difference is that Aboriginal people didn't agree to or instigate the use of the term.

But please carry on with your fascinating anthropological study. Don't let facts get in the way of your astute observations.

Abo / Abbo
(AUS) Australian Aboriginal person. Originally, this was simply an informal term for "Aborigine", and was in fact used by Aboriginal people themselves until it started to be considered offensive in 1950s. In remoter areas, Aboriginal people still often refer to themselves (quite neutrally) as "Blackfellas" (and whites as "Whitefellas"). From the 1870s until the 1920s, the word Ab was used instead.[citation needed] Although "Abo" is still considered quite offensive by many, the pejorative "boong" is now more commonly used when the intent is to deliberately offend , as that word's status as an insult is unequivocal.[3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_slur

I completely disagree with your claim that 'abo' is commonly seen in australian society as a racist term. In the world I grew up in, it was just an impolite way to refer to aborigines and had no racist connotation whatsoever - right on par with 'pom' in my opinion.

haha nah it's not a racist term, it's an ethnic slur

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_slur

how silly of me.

Why do you people want to keep justifying racism? We all know it's wrong, no matter what words you want to use.

The term 'abo' has negative connotations - whether or not you see it as derogartory or racist. Would you say it to an aboriginal persons? I think not.

My name is Daniel. People call me Dan. I f***ing hate it. Am I to call these people racist because they can't be f***ed pronouncing my full name?

That is illogical.

Abo's will absolutely tell you that Abo is an offensive term. But an Abo will claim to be offended by ANYTHING you say. In high school a kid told me he was Aboriginal. Later when I asked him if he was the guy who had told me he was Aboriginal, he punched me and called me racist. Any excuse to be offended will do.




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Am I to call these people racist because they can't be f***ed pronouncing my full name?

You could correct them and insist they called you Daniel. Yeat even though Aboriginal people object to being called abos, coons, or whatever, ignorant d*******s like you still insist they have the right to call em whatver you like.

Seems kinda unfair doesn't it Dan.

can you explain how it's a racist term, instead of carrying on like a d*******

My name is Daniel. People call me Dan. I f***ing hate it. Am I to call these people racist because they can't be f***ed pronouncing my full name?

No because that is just shortening your name using slang about your race. If people said Dan you are dumb white c*** then yes that racist.

the world is f***ing retarded when it comes to racial slurs

just look at the word nigga...

black guy says it to another black guy it means nothing... but this in turn makes other people think it's ok or that they can do it since the black guys do..

white guy calls a black guy that and s*** hits the fan..

and yer i don't classify abo is racist, it's more of a jibe at the race in general... i.e. pom for english.. yank for american...... those aren't considered racist... people have different ideas on words.. each to their own

it also depends on where u say it... i call my black mates black all the time, they call me whitey / skip all the time... with mates it's one thing and then to strangers it's another.

n***** what ?

I think calling Aboriginals "filthy and disgusting human being(s)" is a massive generalisation, and in fact a fairly typical form of racism that exist in society. It is failing to see people as individuals and thus branding all members of a particular race or ethnicity with similar traits/appearance/attitudes etc.

id glady use teh same term "filthy and disgusting human beings" to describe white trash (oh wait is that racist)

but i agree with you, i do sound racist.
however i strongly deny the fact i am racist.

You could correct them and insist they called you Daniel. Yeat even though Aboriginal people object to being called abos, coons, or whatever, ignorant d*******s like you still insist they have the right to call em whatver you like.

Seems kinda unfair doesn't it Dan.

It's not my place to tell anyone what to do. Just because I'm offended.. so what...

No one is supposed to enjoy their nickname anyway.

should call em black fellas not abos

should call em black fellas not abos

isnt that the name of a plant.

There was a plant called a "Black Boy" and the Abo's made them change the name to some other s***.

f***ed if I know why...

A slur can be anything from an insinuation or critical remark to an insult. The following is a list of ethnic slurs that are, or have been, used as insinuations or allegations about members of a given ethnicity or to refer to them in a derogatory (critical or disrespectful), pejorative (disapproving or contemptuous), or downright insulting manner in the English-speaking world. For the purposes of this list, a slur is a term or word[s] used to insult on the basis of race, ethnicity, or nationality.

This is from the wiki site you linked to.

I repeat:

a slur is a term or word[s] used to insult on the basis of race, ethnicity, or nationality.

Since the word "abo" appears on this list, hey genius put the two together and shazam!

Do I really have to point out that using the word "abo" is racist? Here's a clue. How often do you see it used in the newspaper, on the TV, by intelligent political and social commentators, by social and youth workers and by people with a responsibility to remain impartial and present a fair unbiased view?

Umm that would be never.

It's not socially acceptable to use such loaded language amongst people who have a half a f***ing brain, who are educated as to the historical and social issues at hand and who have a bit of respect for others regardless of race and ethnicity.
It may be socially acceptable amongst uneducated bogans, and people who have no interest or care about sociological issues and being a decent human being.

I didn't think you'd be stupid enough to say 'hey its in that list so it must be' - as you can see there's several words in the same list which _are_ used in some of the contexts you suggest

What I'm asking you, is what does the word mean that it must be racist, or insulting - so far your responses have been akin to 'cos the bible says so'

It's also interesting that you didn't quote this part of the same page:

Although "Abo" is still considered quite offensive by many, the pejorative "boong" is now more commonly used when the intent is to deliberately offend , as that word's status as an insult is unequivocal.[3]

So in other words, there's probably no reason for the word Abo to be considered offensive, other than for the fading existence of silly mentalities like yours

shutup nigga

It's not socially acceptable to use such loaded language amongst people who have a half a f***ing brain, who are educated as to the historical and social issues at hand and who have a bit of respect for others regardless of race and ethnicity.
It may be socially acceptable amongst uneducated bogans, and people who have no interest or care about sociological issues and being a decent human being.

you wont find any real proof on the internet that the word abo is or isnt racist, it really comes down to experience with aboriginal people and personal taste.

If you think its not racist or offensive, next time you see a bunch of black fellas I suggest you go up and say "Hi abos how's it going?".

Then come back here and tell me what happened.

I don't really care what your argument is, "abo" started out as a derogatory term and remains so. Sure it may not be as racist as other words that have taken it's place in general use, but it's still not appropriate to use if you want to be respectful of Aboriginal people.

It's not the same as "pom".

From Wikipedia:

Use of the word "pom" remains slightly contentious. Some British people living in Australasia find the term offensive and demeaning, others find it harmless and amusing. Attitudes to the use of the word have varied over the years; in the 1960s, slogans such as "bash a pom a day" were heard on New Zealand radio. The word has become so common that few Australians and New Zealanders see any reason to avoid using it, some even justifying the use of it as a "term of endearment". In December 2006, the Advertising Standards Board of Australia unanimously ruled that the word "pom" was a part of the Australian vernacular, and was largely used in a "playful or affectionate" sense. As a consequence, the board ruled that the word did not constitute a racial slur, and could be freely used in advertising.

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Oxford English Dictionary (OED) strongly supports the theory that pom and pommy originated as contractions of "pomegranate", Australian rhyming slang for immigrant.

"Abo" originated as a straight up derogatory term, end of story. Always was, and you cannot convince me that it can be used otherwise.

so basically you can't explain how it's racist - you can only fall back on your own perception of the word, stupid suggestions like 'go up to a bunch of black fellas and say hi abos', and sheer untruths like 'originated as a straight up derogatory term... always was'

weak


if you can't explain why it's allegedly derogatory or racist then there's no reason for you to perceive it as such and 'popular' consensus must evolve to suit (as it certainly is in my experience) instead of blindly clinging to an ignorant ideal as you would appear to have it do

What was this thread about again?

this is so bad even the international media are headlining it

there was a dude in school whose nickname was bunga and he was aboriginal

also this discussion of 'is calling them abo' racist is useless and is really getting away from the real issues which groganus was talking about. it's ridiculous to call a guy out on using a word like coon or abo when he's vehemently defending/explaining the reality of the situation.

more importantly, there just words..............

i'm not sure if groganus is taking this seriously or is just playing along for the fun of it?

I think you're the only one who can tell whether you're sure or not

Racial sensitive slang ....

Forget consensus and what not. If an individual finds it offensive, then technically they can make a complaint under racial vilification laws, Much like sexual harassment.

Just easier to avoid provocative or easily misinterpreted language in certain circumstances.

we call them Abo's coz they're not worth the calories the extra syllables cost us to say.

Forget consensus and what not. If an individual finds it offensive, then technically they can make a complaint under racial vilification laws, Much like sexual harassment.

exactly, much the same as sexual harrasment, you may find slapping cindy on the ass and telling her she did a good job is a top notch way of showing your employees of how grateful you are of them, however cindy may find that as sexual harrasment and starting making claims that you raped her.

same works for racism.