I ride my bike around the place a bit for excercise, but I'm now looking to ride my bike from Alderley to Indooroopilly Central (right next to shopping town) to work.

Unfortunately, my work doesn't have showers, so I'm trying to work out ways around being sweaty all day at work.

One option is to join Fitness First, and shower there, but I'm kinda against paying $650 odd dollars or whatever it is per year there for a gym membership... I already pay that much for Rowing fees and have a gym through them.

Another option was to train into work and bike home (I did that at another job), but the punks at Qld Rail don't allow bikes onto trains heading towards the city in peak hour (I have to head into the city first to change lines to the Ipswich line), and peak hour is defined as between 7am and 9:30am

Anyone got any other bright ideas?

They are soon openning the expensive bike facility in the city that has the entry way offo f the river.

I think it is going to be like $5 a day for showers and a bike lock up.

lol, you could get a segway but then it'd take half an hour to get to work.

you could stop off at UQ and have a shower, theres a few buildings with ones in them - maths building is one i know of and then its only a short ride to indro which unless your a fatty you shouldnt sweat too much

Keep riding, eventually you'll be fit enough that you won't sweat riding that distance

Genius! Athletes don't sweat! Especially in 30 degree heat with 75% humidity!

UQ is no good either, it's too far for that sort of thing. Too many hills and I wouldn't be able to keep my speed down low enough not to sweat.

don't worry too much about the sweat, worry about staying out of motor vehicles' way when you're on your push bike, or you'll be cleaning your own brains off your little lycra tights.

blahnana in lycra ... ooooh yeah!

I don't care if I sweat, I care about stinking next to my co-workers all day.

protip for bikers
GET THE f*** OFF MY ROAD ELSE I RUN YOU DOWN
(also, the shower thing is important, nothing worse than being stinky at work all day)

last edited by Spook at 15:56:51 22/Nov/07

How far is the trip you're talking about here?
I have a similar problem, I ride 36.9km to and from work so showers are kinda essential.

12ks each way. It's not a long trip, but plenty to work up a sweat.

Protip for drivers: The law says that cars must give cyclists a reasonable berth when overtaking them. The amount is not defined. So rest assured, if you ever clip a cyclist for any reason, you'll be in deep s***.

So rest assured, if you ever clip a cyclist for any reason, you'll be in deep s***.

yer i would be, with the missus, for scratching the car.

but it would be worth it, get the f*** over

*yawn*

Threats from Spook just aren't intimidating now that we know he looks like Freddy Mercury.

There's really nowhere I can think of near enough to work that you could have a cheap shower. Except Trog's house, haha, I'm sure he'd love that.

Unfortunately, my work doesn't have showers, so I'm trying to work out ways around being sweaty all day at work.

tell your workmates to harden the f*** up?

or you could just ride to my place and shower there, you noob

Just duct your manly stench directly into trog's office!

With the drought and water restrictions I demand you don't shower after riding to work, no matter how much people complain.

Threats from Spook just aren't intimidating now that we know he looks like Freddy Mercury.

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With the drought and water restrictions I demand you don't shower after riding to work, no matter how much people complain.

Or trog and blahnana can share the shower together?

pack lots of deodorant :D

There are showers at Indooroopilly in the office sections, just ask centre management about access.

You could always approach FF with your dilemma, and see if they are willing to cut you a cheap deal just to use the showers.

Pro tip for drivers: The law says that cars must give cyclists a reasonable berth when overtaking them. The amount is not defined. So rest assured, if you ever clip a cyclist for any reason, you'll be in deep s***.

bah, half the time its the cyclists fault. they swerve all over the f***ing road when going up hills. i had a bike go from taking up virtually none of my lane (nice wide lane. plenty of room for me to get past) to being in the middle of it while i was trying to over take him. almost had a crash trying to avoid him.

bikes are easy to deal with
be patient, give them plenty of room and treat them as though they are a car. then your only problem will be that you don't get there quite as quick as you wanted

boohoo really

failing that, just drive over them eh jim?

you got me there

Carry some sort of portable shower.

What about the YMCA on george street

bah, half the time its the cyclists fault. they swerve all over the f***ing road when going up hills. i had a bike go from taking up virtually none of my lane (nice wide lane. plenty of room for me to get past) to being in the middle of it while i was trying to over take him. almost had a crash trying to avoid him.

And your point is? We're allowed to take up a whole lane. And, it's your responsibility to overtake safely, which it sounds like if he was in the middle of the left lane, you weren't doing. Oh, wait, what's that, you tried to overtake while there were oncoming cars and parked cars on the other side of the road? Strange, I wouldn't be trying to overtake a car in that scenario, so why a bike?

And your point is? We're allowed to take up a whole lane.

exsqueeze me, when did you start paying vehicle registration?

Strange, I wouldn't be trying to overtake a car in that scenario, so why a bike?

Because a bike is going a f***ing lot less than the speed limit. You're slowing everyone down, c***.

Horn + Revving of loud exhaust sends em back to the footpath quick smart

Edit: oh wait, your talkin about the city :(

last edited by sack at 15:36:47 23/Nov/07

exsqueeze me, when did you start paying vehicle registration?

Don't be a f***ing retard. People own cars and bicycles.

bah, half the time its the cyclists fault.

The other 1/2 its the driver? I think we can safely say that there are arsholes riding bicycles, motor bikes, and driving trucks and cars...

they swerve all over the f***ing road when going up hills. i had a bike go from taking up virtually none of my lane (nice wide lane. plenty of room for me to get past) to being in the middle of it while i was trying to over take him. almost had a crash trying to avoid him.

As someone who drives and cycles. I would say that in this case you were at fault. If it had been me I would have switched into the other lane and gone around. No point taking a chance to save a few seconds off a trip. The cyclist was within the bounds of the lane, so they are free to move around in there as necessary (avoid pot holes, drains, or whatever). Obviously it would be nice if they didn't do anything suddenly but you don't know why they did it. Maybe they slipped a gear going up the hill and it caused them to swerve out a bit or they were just shagged and had started to weave a bit. Either way....if you're driving behind another car and they're brake like a f***wit and you rear end them...you're still in the wrong for being too far up their arse to stop in time.

I find the best way of dealing with cyclists is just pretend they are invisible. Just drive past and hope for the best.

You should make a habit of clipping them if they drive too far out from the side. It's the only way to teach them their place.

use moist towelettes.

So is it also legal for the push bike riders to go up between cars when stopped at lights, I dont think so. then when the lights change they are at the front and obviously take of realy slow and now they have all this traffic stuck trying to pass them again, when they should have never been at the front on traffic in the first place.

I also see them going through red lights all the time, then getting in front of me, so I beep cuase I have just seem them breaking the law to get where they are and they get annoyed and wonder why I am beeping at them.

Also, get off the road in peak hour if you could easily be riding on the footpath. I dont care if you are legally allowed to be on the road. You hold up traffic and in the end your gonna be the one thats dead even if you are in the right.

last edited by `ViPER` at 10:00:50 24/Nov/07

Bah, unless you are in professional training for the Tour De France, stay the f*** off the road. All these fat, sweaty, middle aged wannabe's that ride those "I wish I was Lance Armstrong" s***boxes through narrow streets and expect NOT to get hit one day are dreaming.

And has already been said, I pay $850 odd a year for the right to drive my car on the road. I am required BY LAW to have functioning indicators and brake lights. Why do you deserve to share MY road when you pay nothing? Apart from the stupidly expensive price for said s***box bicycle and the matching gay lycra swimwear that you feel the need to put on just to ride it.

And another thing. You want the same rights and priviledges as car drivers? Obey the same f***ing road rules we have to then! STOP at red lights, not just slow down until nothing is coming then power on through. When you are riding with other people, ride single file as you are required BY LAW to do. STOP at pedestrian crossings when pedestrians are crossing them, not just weave through and continue on your merry way.

It's a 2 way street pal. You show the same knowledge of BASIC road rules as drivers and OBEY them like we have to and maybe we'll show you the respect you seem to crave.

My 2c .....

I was just talking to a bus driver and they have nicknames for bicycle riders. ROAD LICE!

LOL.

Obey the same f***ing road rules we have to then! STOP at red lights

If only all cars obeyed the road rules too, would be lovely to have all cars/buses stopping for red lights all the time.

ride single file as you are required BY LAW to do

Push bikes are allowed to ride 2 abreast, just like motorbikes.

The rider of a motorbike or bicycle must not ride on a road that is not a multi-lane road alongside more than 1 other rider

So is it also legal for the push bike riders to go up between cars when stopped at lights, I dont think so.

Bikes are allowed to overtake on the left

A driver (except the rider of a bicycle) must not overtake a vehicle to the left of the vehicle

If you really want you can check legislation for those facts.
http://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/LEGISLTN/CURRENT/T/TrantOpRURR99.pdf



So in short

show the same knowledge of BASIC road rules

last edited by Raisty at 10:33:59 24/Nov/07

And has already been said, I pay $850 odd a year for the right to drive my car on the road.

And already said, you'll find most cyclists own a car too and pay for the same rights.

And another thing. You want the same rights and priviledges as car drivers? Obey the same f***ing road rules we have to then! STOP at red lights, not just slow down until nothing is coming then power on through. When you are riding with other people, ride single file as you are required BY LAW to do. STOP at pedestrian crossings when pedestrians are crossing them, not just weave through and continue on your merry way.

It's a 2 way street pal. You show the same knowledge of BASIC road rules as drivers and OBEY them like we have to and maybe we'll show you the respect you seem to crave.

Too right, it is a 2 way street. The reality though is that there are more people in cars breaking more rules than cyclists. The majority of cyclists stick to bike paths and sidewalks. In the end, how many people are killed by a bad cyclist every year? How many people are killed by bad drivers? If you're cycling and you ride like a c*** and get run over, too bad. You put yourself in that situation. Also, drivers show no respect. People don't indicate their actions when they're driving (regardless of if you're on a bike, motor bike, in a car or truck). There is no such thing as respect on the roads.

I have 1 belief when I'm driving, walking or cycling. Every driver on the road is a murderer. They have gone out in the morning with a pre-meditated plan to kill me with their car.

I was just talking to a bus driver and they have nicknames for bicycle riders. ROAD LICE!

Bus drivers are like Taxi drivers. If we all drove like them there wouldn't be anyone alive on the roads to worry about.

Bikes are allowed to overtake on the left

That doesnt seem right in the situation I said. So your saying that when there is a road 2 or mor lanes wide, when all the traffic is stopped at lights or just going slow that a pushbike can ride up the middle, not in its own lane but between the cars and go to the front of the traffic. If thats the law then its a f***en stupid law and If you do that in peak hour traffic your a d*******.

Motorbikes do the same thing, which I though was illegal, only difference is that the motorbikes dont slow you down when they are passed all the traffic.

I've see cops on motorbikes and bicycle cops lane splitting....

We all know that cops have different rules, how many times have you seen them cruise passed you on a highway when you are doing 100 and they are obviously doing about 115-120. No lights on and Im sure they dont need to get anywhere in a hurry, but whos gonna pull them over.

And your point is? We're allowed to take up a whole lane. And, it's your responsibility to overtake safely, which it sounds like if he was in the middle of the left lane, you weren't doing. Oh, wait, what's that, you tried to overtake while there were oncoming cars and parked cars on the other side of the road? Strange, I wouldn't be trying to overtake a car in that scenario, so why a bike?

1, no parked cars
2, it was a two lane road WITH a bike path
3, he was in the bike path, i was driving normally, my door was next to his rear wheel. (had about 2 meters in space.. which is whats legally required when passing a pedestrian on the road. so i don't see how bikes should be different)

then the d******* starts heading straight towards my car.. if you can not stay in a straight line, don't ride. you head not mine. if i sweaved, and the car to the right of me got knocked off the road into oncoming traffic and died, then how would he be at any less fault than if it was another car?

i no problem treating bikes like another car. but if im stuck behind grampa going 25k an hour on an 80km. don't expect to see me upset when you get run over for running the red lights.

Basically, if you don't respect the extra effort i have to go to to make sure that you don't end up under my tires. then your just one inconsiderate person away from getting hit.

sorry, typo

last edited by myWhiteWolf at 13:59:31 25/Nov/07

Basically, if you respect the extra effort i have to go to to make sure that you don't end up under my tires. then your just one inconsiderate person away from getting hit.

You're the inconsiderate c*** burning up more fuel to f*** up our atmosphere.

I'm not a bike rider, but I'm very supportive of the idea. This whole "I'm a car driver and pay rego so I'm superior to cyclists" pig-headed idea is the problem with drivers today, "I'm allowed to cause more wear and tear than my rego covers and f*** up the environment because I pay my $800 a year". What a bunch of immature, ignorant bulls***. I don't have the figures on hand, but I'm pretty sure an average car on the road costs the state more a year than the amount payed for rego on the vehicle, leaving state government funds to cover the gap.

As for the shower in the workplace thing, I reckon the state government (which is very pro-cyclist) should subsidise the cost of getting showers installed in a work place to encourage people to walk/cycle to work.

We all know that cops have different rules, how many times have you seen them cruise passed you on a highway when you are doing 100 and they are obviously doing about 115-120. No lights on and Im sure they dont need to get anywhere in a hurry, but whos gonna pull them over.

One time i was up north with work, i was in a s***ty Hyundai Tucson V6, cop in a marked wagon overtook me doing about 125 in a 100 zone, back of biloela or somewhere like that. So i just stepped on it, and sat 200m behind him at ~125kmh for about an hour. Was good, like my own escort, untouchable.

This whole "I'm a car driver and pay rego so I'm superior to cyclists" pig-headed idea is the problem with drivers today, "I'm allowed to cause more wear and tear than my rego covers and f*** up the environment because I pay my $800 a year". What a bunch of immature, ignorant bulls***.

It is very telling of how Americanised our society is becoming if you ask me. We're getting dumber by the day.

And the whole "Im a bike rider, im single handedly saving the worlds environment, I can ride where ever I want, break all the road rules and If you run into me its entirely your fault" attitude s***s me too.

I dont know about everyone else, but I drive a car because a push bike would just be too impracticle for my job, considering I drive an average of 100k's a day.

Except that it's not an attitude. If you run into a cyclist in those conditions, it's your fault.

They're more vulnerable than you, they deserve protection. It's like the question, 'when do you have to give way to pedestrians?'. Answer: always.

It doesn't matter what they're doing, you're in control of the heavy machinery, you need to be taking due care not only of your vehicle and yourself, but everyone and everything around you that you might affect.

If you see someone drunk and walking all over the road, you don't have the right to run them down, and even more; you have to exhibit driving that takes into account the possibility of an accident. You might be able to argue the point if someone pops out in front of your car and you didn't see them, but if you see them beforehand looking incapable of walking and you don't change your driving to be extremely cautious given that situation, you're at fault, and you could be up for manslaughter. And so you should be. Whenever I'm driving and I see a pedestrian walking out in the middle of the road (you know how some people walk out and then wait there for a gap in the other side traffic), I stop and let them past. It doesn't matter whether you would have made the choice to walk out on the road yourself, or if you think they're a d*******, or whatever. The driver is the one that has to be responsible.

I think the law runs something like you're allowed to lane split if the vehicles are stopped, but it's really inconsequential. If you touch a cyclist because you didn't give them due care under the situation, you'll be the one suffering for it, and so you should. Give them due care, and you've got nothing to worry about.

I think they should have built a bike lane parallel to the Busway (but with a cement barrier or something for safety reasons). I live close to the Busway, and am moving nearer, and I would ride a bike to work (in the city) if there were some lane running along the Busway for bikes.

Let's face it, in 20 years time people simply won't be able to drive all over the place just because they feel like it. Or maybe you want to work in the CBD and still have your McMansion out in the suburbs, who knows. Within our lifetime the price of petrol will become prohibitively expensive for the average day-to-day driver. We need to start phasing alternatives in now, and bikes are a great alternative.

Hey, it doesnt worry me, keep riding your bikes, lane splitting in peak hour traffic and generealy pissing car drivers off, but it doesnt matter cause you are technically in the right. You'll be the one thats dead when you piss of some guy. Not saying that guy will be me, youll probably just get a beep from me.

Its all about a bit of common sense. Your saying that its legal for bikes to ride up the middle of traffic when its stopped, then consequently hold up traffic that are forced to pass you again, when they probably just passed you a few minutes earlier. If you do stuff like that you are just asking for trouble.

Hey, it doesnt worry me, keep riding your bikes, lane splitting in peak hour traffic and generealy pissing car drivers off

you know what pisses me (a car driver) off more regularly than any other road user by far? other car drivers

you know what pisses me (a car driver) off more regularly than any other road user by far? other car drivers

oh yeah for sure, and most of the time when they do something stupid and you beep at them they have no idea why you are beeping at them. Saw this lady the other day drive into a one way street in the city, she beeped at the people who were from her point of view just walking out into the traffic until about 20 mtrs later when she noticed all the traffic driving straight towards her, she did a ubolt pretty quickly. I walked passed her and just shoke my head, she had this stupid "oh silly me" look on her face.

Also, bikes aren't really all that enviro friendly.

during peak hour. say on a 10KM strech of road, how many cars have to slow down to pass you?

then multiply that amount of cars by the amount of extra fuel the cars require to accelerate back up to 60 from 20?

When bikes are on bike paths they are very green, in trafic they probably create more polutants than a regular car.

Also, bikes aren't really all that enviro friendly.

during peak hour. say on a 10KM strech of road, how many cars have to slow down to pass you?

then multiply that amount of cars by the amount of extra fuel the cars require to accelerate back up to 60 from 20?

When bikes are on bike paths they are very green, in trafic they probably create more polutants than a regular car.

I read that report, it was written by a Genuine Scientition.

Exactly, make more bike paths, everyones happy.

you know what pisses me (a car driver) off more regularly than any other road user by far? other car drivers

Hey guys maybe that is because other car drivers outnumber cyclists by eleventybillion:one.

how is that a point though fpot?

Well, of course other drivers are going to piss you off more regularly, there are more of them. It doesn't make stupid cyclists any less annoying.

even though that's not what I was saying... sure it does. there's far, far less of them - therefore they are far, far less annoying


what I'm pointing out with my previous comment is that you've got people here choosing to single out cyclists and focus on them which is completely irrational. it's irrational because:

a) annoying cyclists make up such a tiny percentage of annoying people in general on the road
b) singling out one type of vehicle or road user isn't logical when the common theme behind them all is: people are at the helm
c) it's hypocritical to carry on and bitch about one type of vehicle or road user unless you're completely blame-free yourself

c) it's hypocritical to carry on and bitch about one type of vehicle or road user unless you're completely blame-free yourself

of course it is. it doesn't make it any less valid.

The difference with cyclests is that 1 out of 100 cars will do somethign to piss you off. 4 out of 5 cyclests will piss you off.

the reason why everyone hates cyclists is because they require special treatment. no one likes people that are high maintenance, especailly when its forced apon others.

no that's totally wrong
it's 38 out of 100 cars that will do something to piss you off and only .003 of 5 cyclists
lol at you regurgitating fpot's comment anyway

and not everyone hates cyclists - in fact only 1 out of 100 do and 4 out of 5 people don't agree with your perception of what is and isn't a high-maintenance person on the road. furthermore, cyclists with turbos are 30% less likely to be high-maintenance on the road than you are on this forum

100% of road users are as forced to endure other types of road users as we are to read your posts

There's also another problem with the myth that bikes are greener - when you ride, you're exercising, so you need to eat more to replace the energy burnt. That food requires growing and transportation.

Heh. The reason you're having so much trouble with all of this is you've got totally the wrong attitude. It doesn't matter whether you think cyclists piss you off or whatever. The fact is that cyclists were on the road first, and that's one of the very good reason that there's laws to protect them.

It's also true that society wishes to encourage cyclists, for a whole bunch of reasons that aren't just because they're 'greener'. Another reason that the laws protect cyclists.

It's true that more bike paths will make everyone happier... but so will an increase in cyclists, as they put less demand on the roads as a whole. Until the road network is sacrificed to bicycles again (you think t3's are bad?), bicycles and cars share the same roads. Just like cars and incredibly slow moving trucks share the roads. Just as tractors and cars share the roads.

As for people clipping cyclists or whatever... well you absorb a bit of risk just by living that someone won't do something illegal and hurt/kill you. That's life, you either live it or you might as well die anyway.

Nobody in this thread has adopted a holier than thou attitude to cycles... but everyone stresses that the road is for sharing. Bicycles get to ride on the road... their only responsibility is to be in the left-most lane as a slow moving vehicle... but beyond that they can take a whole lane if they have to; that's what we as a society have decided. If you don't like it, time to start voting differently. Until then, the law looks after cyclists and that's the way it is. They're actually not supposed to ride on the footpath.

Something to consider is that if there were more cyclists, not less, the roads would run much smoother for the cars that actually _need_ to be driven. So those who whinge about the time taken for their journeys are actually the ones that should be encouraging cyclists the most.

And once the majority of motorised vehicles are off the road completely and everyone is getting around on pushbikes, how does the government recoup the money they are losing on fuel taxes and vehicle registrations?

*When tyre companies start going bankrupt because they all they are selling is $20 pushbike tyres instead of $200 - $500 car tyres, what happens then? When every mechanic goes broke because the only thing left to do is replace pushbike chains, bells and seats? The whole world will be governed by a single type of business .... Lycra Manufacturers! That's right! Everyone will be wearing shiny new Lycra business suits and dresses!*

(P.S. Everything in between the *'s was in jest, you can all relax now)

but the first comment prior to the first * was equally as ridiculous

Yeah LoneWolf you're an idiot.

There's also another problem with the myth that bikes are greener - when you ride, you're exercising, so you need to eat more to replace the energy burnt. That food requires growing and transportation.

I saw that paper! it was researched by a real scientitian!

I cycle on the road for ~2 hours a day/5 - 6 days a week.

I ride at 5am and have a 36km journey (do it twice, so 72km) that is 90% of the time in a bike lane/side lane and the other 10% I ride on the white line and people can pass me at full speed. Only exception is riding up Mt Mee, quite dangerous for everybody involved, but I try to do that at 4 - 5am.

I used to do larger 100km rides, go pretty rough routes and ride agressively on the road (take up an entire lane, lane split etc), often in peak traffic... then I got hit, so f*** it off.

It's a win/win situation now riding safe routes and at non-peak hours. Motorists are happy because you're not holding up traffic or posing any danger and cyclists (me) are happy because we get to stay alive.

When bikes are on bike paths they are very green, in trafic they probably create more polutants than a regular car.

You're a f***ing idiot.

Anyway, I'm not a cyclist and I'm not saying they're always in the right. I'm just saying that most drivers have a s***ty attitude.

And once the majority of motorised vehicles are off the road completely and everyone is getting around on pushbikes, how does the government recoup the money they are losing on fuel taxes and vehicle registrations?

Yeah that owuld be interesting to look into, but the wear and tear caused by motor vehicles and the extensive repairs and maintenance required for the roads that support them costs insane amounts of money. Like I said before, I'm pretty sure even though you might pay $400 a year in rego (plus CTP), it would cost the government(s) MORE than $400 to have your car on the road.

^ CHUB rules.

reckon
I was most impressed by the "(do it twice, so 72km)" and "I used to do larger 100km rides"

reckon
I was most impressed by the "(do it twice, so 72km)" and "I used to do larger 100km rides"

Doing that loop twice is boring as hell, really demotivating, but it keeps me safe.

Most of the B / A grade blokes can't handle that, so they ride a single route that often goes for 3+ hours and across a s***load of suburbs... some roads aren't built for cyclists and hence the problems.

That's all I was pointing out.

i also would like to subscribe to chubs newsletter

all cyclists please do any cycling on my roads before 5am and after 7pm, unless i have sport on and then ill give you a signal when its safe for you to start riding

thank you

You're a f***ing idiot.

no, ur