Heh, very unnecessary. Guess it always was a police state.

Unnecessary? He was being a f*****.

I would have Tazered him sooner.

he probably was a wanker. but you dont get tasered for heckling some knob at a comedy club. im sure if they asked him to leave he probably would have

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Yeah, Asking him.

Dragging him and telling him that if he didn't stop resisting that he would get Tazered didn't do it though.

Asking him would of worked for sure.

What absolute f***ING WANKER reporters. Seriously. They both need a bullet. To me, and I'm just looking at the same video as those f***ing idiots, it sure looks like the police are doing everything they can do to remove him without having to use the taser.

well in the video it looks like they just grabbed him, i dont see any sort of asking

but you dont get tasered for heckling some knob at a comedy club

maybe you should!

well last time I did it a huge bouncer just asked me to leave.. so i was like, pfft whatever and moonwalked out the door.. i got tasered by a prostitute around the corner though :(

That vid pissed me off. Sure, the guy might be a douchebag, but being tazered for asking annoying questions is bs. The cops handled that situation f***ing s*** - one of them had his gun pulled at the start - what a crock - they should all be fired.

hahahhaha thats funny as.

thats america for u though.

"oh my god he has a gun"
*throws gun near suspects feet*
"fire!!"

That vid pissed me off. Sure, the guy might be a douchebag, but being tazered for asking annoying questions is bs. The cops handled that situation f***ing s*** - one of them had his gun pulled at the start - what a crock - they should all be fired.

I think a problem could be though that those situations could get out of hand very quickly (and maybe they do?). I agree, and it sounds like Kerry did too, that the question was fair and he didn't necessarily need to be held by the cops. But it's like getting kicked out at a pub by bouncers - don't argue and don't fight cause you'll lose no matter what. Also, I'd say the cop pulls out his taser, not an actual gun.

democracy in action

only in america

pretty pathetic

'BLOW!... Or I'll Freeze your nuts off!'

meh.. ok, so the reason he was removed was unfair.. but thats not for us to say, however, when he was being removed, fair enough voice your opinion about how bs it is, for being removed... that aside, he was RESISSTING arrest, cops dont like it when ppl do that, yet, he continued to resist arrest, even when 4 or more cops came to help remove him he still kept yelling resisting etc, really, they should have just forced him to the floor, and cuffed him, although i guess they diddnt wanna do that infront of all his classmates. :]

nah

stand up to bullies, cops or not

extra points for the non-violent resistance

one of them had his gun pulled at the start

Google image search "tazer".

The guy was a tool, no doubt about it, but I dont see how that many cops couldnt control, cuff, and remove him without using the tazer... it seems that because they said they were going to taze him if he didnt stop resisting them, they had no choice but to taze him. (In their minds)

On the plus side, we get to see a tinfoil hat wearing hippie get tazered... well we would have if there weren't 10 cops in the way.

he deserved it. LOL at his screams for help. The Police waited longer than I would have before employing force. They gave him more than enough time to leave peacefully.

GG f*****.

im 100% behind this tazering

dont want to be tazered? dont resist arrest

im also 100% behind the cops arresting protesters at APEC

yes, comply with cops no matter what bulls*** reason they have for manhandling you

bulls*** reason

He was resisting from being ejected from a private premises where he was no longer welcome. Sounds perfectly valid reason to me.

Tazer away.

well i guess the videos out there are missing a lot of the context

it isn't up to the police to decide if someone is welcome, if there was a dean or something making that call then fine

it just seemed like they could have frog marched him out the door instead of pinning him to the ground

he's a brave (and perhaps foolhardly) man for resisting and hey, at least he didn't punch any of them

liveleak has a stack of videos of before and after

the guy was smarmy git who was trying to hijack the event

they asked him nicely to stop, he didnt

the cops did everything in their power not to tazer him

teh guy deserved it

afaic, the cops showed a lot of restraint to not tazer him sooner

cops are always right man. ;p

The guy was a tool, no doubt about it, but I dont see how that many cops couldnt control, cuff, and remove him without using the tazer... it seems that because they said they were going to taze him if he didnt stop resisting them, they had no choice but to taze him.

That seems like a f***ing retarded thing to say, considering you can see in the video how much trouble a few cops have controlling him.

Firstly, two police try to remove him nicely by holding each arm walking by his side, the f***head breaks free and starts yelling refusing to leave.

Then the big black cop comes down and uses more force to pick him up and start physically marching him out - the f***head breaks free still yelling.

They try to grab him, still pulling him outside, the f***head still resists while yelling.

Everyone jumps on top of him, and he is still yelling. Admittedly you can't see what he is doing here because of all the cops on him, but I'm guessing he is continuing to resist being cuffed or just making life difficult and then he gets tazered.

yes, comply with cops no matter what bulls*** reason they have for manhandling you

YES. Comply you f***ing moron. If their reason is unjust then get the lawyers involved after the fact. If you think, "Oh but the cops will just lie and back each other up," you might be right, but you're much more f***ed if you resisted arrest in the first place.

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Firstly, two police try to remove him nicely by holding each arm walking by his side, the f***head breaks free and starts yelling refusing to leave.

firstly, while the guy is still trying to make his political voice heard, 2 police officers assault him & try to suppress his right to free speech. the guy protests.

Then the big black cop comes down and uses more force to pick him up and start physically marching him out - the f***head breaks free still yelling.

despite valiantly trying to make himself heard more police move in to silence him. the hero only reacts verbally holding his hands in the air to show he means no one any harm.

They try to grab him, still pulling him outside, the f***head still resists while yelling.

not content with thier assault the police then remove the man without a warrant when he has made no threatening actions but instead appeals to his peers for help.

Everyone jumps on top of him, and he is still yelling. Admittedly you can't see what he is doing here because of all the cops on him, but I'm guessing he is continuing to resist being cuffed or just making life difficult and then he gets tazered.

The cops, now dismayed at the man's lack of meek complicity, lay the boot in for good measure. despite loudly vocalising his innocence & his desire to not be tazered while prone & held in place the police creully apply thier tazers to the defenceless victim as he howls in pain & anguish!

it's all in the way ya tell it ;] i'm sure when it comes to court the dude's lawyers will tell it more like my way than billy's ;p

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firstly, while the guy is still trying to make his political voice heard, 2 police officers assault him & try to suppress his right to free speech. the guy protests.

He can continue his voice outside, off private premises.

not content with their assault the police then remove the man without a warrant when he has made no threatening actions but instead appeals to his peers for help.

Arrest without warrant is perfectly legal. He was disobeyed a lawful instruction and was therefore entitled to be arrested. He should have shut up and left the building. he did it to himself.

The cops, now dismayed at the man's lack of meek complicity, lay the boot in for good measure. despite loudly vocalising his innocence & his desire to not be tazered while prone & held in place the police cruelly apply their tazers to the defenceless victim as he howls in pain & anguish!

Resisting the lawful measures of the officers, he will not stop thrashing his limbs about without regard of officers around. To preserve law and order and their own safety the officers use lawful means to subdue the offender and take him into custody.

yeh that's prolly how the prosecuter will call it .. but with more legal jargon n wotnots :P

haha. The adversarial system is great. It's not a search for the truth, its my truth vs your truth. Often both equally true just with their own perspectives added.

haha demon, that made me laugh

If you're interested in the legal aspects there's some good posts in the slashdot thread on this subject. Apparently the guy in question was pretty clearly breaking state law where he was because a) he failed to comply to a request to leave private property, which made him a trespasser and then b) tried to resist arrest.

In the same vein though, there were some posts saying use of the taser was not in accordance with police policy/laws so it is quite possible that they might have problems there anyway.

subject is totally misleading, I didn't see anyone get tasered for asking a senator a question

taser is a misleading term also... it's unlikely that thier end effect is simulating radioactive emmissions at all. they should call them 'peta's .. for 'Portable Electric Torture Applicator'. ;D

i'll PETA your civil libertarian beliefs out of you in a second :P:D

edit: "man tasered while resisting arrest for trepassing" doesnt have same ring to it.

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nah that's not misleading at all

man I so wish I could taser people whenever they ask me a dumb question.

I have no sympathy for the dude who got hit by it or the cops. I don't understand why people give anybody sympathy for been a copper, they know what they are getting into and they are there by choice. As for the dude who copped it thanks for the giggle, watching people get hurt and beaten makes me laugh. Don't act like a f***wit and you won't get hurt, its a simple rule to live by.

That seems like a f***ing retarded thing to say, considering you can see in the video how much trouble a few cops have controlling him.

Huh? You are basically saying the same thing i said. I said that i didnt see why the cops couldnt control him without a tazer, and you say that i am retarded because you can see they can't control him?

My point was that using the tazer just because the cops suck at their job is pretty lame, sure if it was 2 on 1 or the guy had a weapon, but you couldnt even see the guy for all the cops when they tazered him.

well at the very least, the guy should be thankful they didn't call in the national guard for back up

I don't think tazers should be used to make it easier to arrest someone when they're outnumbered, unarmed, not physically threatening, and especially on tv in a f***ing press conference. Also I'm not sure why they were going to arrest him in the first place? Surely being a f*****, as someone so nicely put it earlier, doesn't count.

I don't think tazers should be used to make it easier to arrest someone when they're outnumbered, unarmed, not physically threatening, and especially on tv in a f***ing press conference

I thought the taser was used because he was struggling and resisting arrest

Yes exactly, and my opinion is that this is not what they are for.

that's exactly what they should be used for
they should also be used to shut the c*** up

Yes exactly, and my opinion is that this is not what they are for.

Que o.O?

What are they for?

Jim's spot on. No resist, no taser. So simple even a kiwi could understand.

and he wasn't being arrest for being a f*****. he was being escort off the premises when he disobeyed a lawful instruction and then resisted arrest.

they should also be used to shut the c*** up

It hardly did that, the f***er started screaming in agony.

imo there were a f***load of coppers around him.. Instead of the coppers making a big f***ing scene with tackling him to the ground and tazering him, they should have dragged him outside out of the building, handcuffed him and thrown him in the back of a paddy wagon. f***ing simple as that.

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the real point is that the taser gun is supposed to be a non lethal alternative .. ie would you shoot the guy for the same crime?

now days the taser is just becoming a 'f*** it i cant be bothered to do my job correctly, lets administer as much pain as i can cause i'm a big cop with a badge and a crappy job and your a f***head that i have to deal with day in and day out' solution

was the man armed? was the man presenting a deadly threat? would you use deadly force against him or can you use non lethal alternative? these are the questions that police should ask themselves before they draw there taser or there gun

it was never meant to be a handcuff helper

the real point is that the taser gun is supposed to be a non lethal alternative

can you use non lethal alternative? these are the questions that police should ask themselves before they draw there taser or there gun

I thought the taser was used because he was struggling and resisting arrest

I'm pretty sure theres a law that says "If you are arresting a f***tard you can be a bigger f***tard than him if you need to subdue him" .. or maybe not.

This isnt a situation where the cops were threatened, or were losing control of the situation, this is basically them not knowing what the f*** they were doing (and taking the easy option), or taking "revenge" for someone pissing them off, which is also why the guy should have followed their directions.

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jim tasers his children to sleep at night. i know i keep my taser handy for unwanted noise makers... morning birds, bickering old women at the busstop, small unsupervised children, etc.. ;D

I've got an empathy shield taser now, perfect for making your way through crowded shopping centres and the ekka

i don't think tazers are refered to as non-lethal anymore, nor are capsicum/pepper sprays or rubber bullets.

because people have died from the use of them, its not really accurate.

Bah, the point I was making, was that the cops did appear to do all they could do to remove him quietly. He resisted. The reason there are so many cops on him at the end is because he thwarted their attempts to remove him several times. You can also see that when he first RESISTS being removed some students quickly get up to move away from him.

the real point is that the taser gun is supposed to be a non lethal alternative .. ie would you shoot the guy for the same crime?

now days the taser is just becoming a 'f*** it i cant be bothered to do my job correctly, lets administer as much pain as i can cause i'm a big cop with a badge and a crappy job and your a f***head that i have to deal with day in and day out' solution

was the man armed? was the man presenting a deadly threat? would you use deadly force against him or can you use non lethal alternative? these are the questions that police should ask themselves before they draw there taser or there gun

it was never meant to be a handcuff helper

I can't tell whether you're being sarcastic or not throughout all the dribble. If people are making it difficult to handcuff them, then taser the f*** out of them I say.

Que o.O?

What are they for?

Tazers and Mace should only be used in situation where someone poses a threat and is unapproachable by police. This guy already had people holding him, he wasn't gonna be kicking anyone's arse anytime soon. Police have weapons to make their job safe, not to make it easy to get what they want.

And lawful instruction? Sorry, was there a magistrate there..? Since when are cops allowed to randomly tell people at a public conference they're not allowed to talk? John f***ing Kerry just said let the boy talk!

I still fail to see how the taser was unjustified. The guys on Cops do it all the time.

The cops have a s*** job and usually are s*** at it. Hard sometimes to tell who are the real crims in this world. Politicians lie & then abuse their positions, cops get away with who knows what, big business gets whatever they want at any cost and the media is up for sale. None of that will ever change they are far too powerful to fight. We are all f***ed because we don't run the world they do. If we could vote out/f*** off public servants and not just the politicians we would be better off.

YES. Comply you f***ing moron. If their reason is unjust then get the lawyers involved after the fact. If you think, "Oh but the cops will just lie and back each other up," you might be right, but you're much more f***ed if you resisted arrest in the first place.

to be honest I would probably comply with police brutality use of force myself, but that's just because I'm a pussy

i've changed my opinion somewhat on the incident after reading more about it

because the guy was being a dick, interrupting people and monopolising the floor, and ignoring verbal requests to stop, escalating to physical coercion was probably necessary

but tasering him, instead of just kicking him out and making sure he remained outside, detaining him if he tried to re-enter, seems like a bit of an overreaction to a non violent guy who by one account was just a jerk looking for some attention

Maybe campus cops are still a bit tense after virginia tech.

haha i can't help but think the opinions expressed in this thread would be reversed if the guy being tasered was from the chaser. atleast this guy had a point to make.

i don't think that he should have been tasered because he was clearly already restrained. it seems to me like he was tasered because he wouldn't shut up. i don't think thats a valid use for a taser.

if the guy somehow dared or taunted the police to taser him, then it doesn't excuse the police at all. they should be trained in the use of tasers and when its right to use them or not. if some guy who gets on their nerves causes them to forget protocol and taser the c*** when hes restrained i've got no sympathy for them.

the dude was a cocksmoke but just making his voice heard for people that can't be bothered doin it. he probably resisted arrest to turn the whole situation to his benefit by getting heard in national media aswell. but it doesn't take 15 people or whatever to taser a bloke holding a book. i mean, i thought cops were tough.. they gave rodney king a good touch up!

Bah, the point I was making, was that the cops did appear to do all they could do to remove him quietly. He resisted. The reason there are so many cops on him at the end is because he thwarted their attempts to remove him several times. You can also see that when he first RESISTS being removed some students quickly get up to move away from him.

I think I need some kind of word tazer to beat my point into you because arguing will take too long and I have to go and eat some donuts.

Seriously no s*** he was resisting, no one is debating that, he was a cock, no one is debating that, the argument is that he was covered in cops... yet you believe they felt threatened enough to need a tazer to subdue him?

get over it ladies 'he suffered no physical harm'
how can it be excessive if no harm was done?

Is it actually true that cops are only meant to use the TASER if they feel someone is threatened or did someone just make that up?

yet you believe they felt threatened enough to need a tazer to subdue him?

why do you believe they tasered him because they felt threatened?

as alway's colbert puts a fresh spin on things



My understanding of tasering is that police frequently use it to subdue people who resist arrest. I think this guy was clearly resisting arrest in this case.

What I don't accept is that they had any reason to arrest him and I think the cops are going to get boned.

Oh my....
theres a f***ing mic infront of him. how the f*** could he be stealing the show? he didnt bring his own mic stand and hook it upto their Speaker system without them noticing. He was given the mic to talk... if you dont want him talking anymore - cut his f***ing mic feed or say "let other people have a turn please" or take the mic away. for f***s sake, theres some f***ed up logic right there. you see the look on that bitch cops face when he asked the senator a hard hitting question about vote rigging. she was all like: "oh no he d'int" and went to grab him - and that my freinds is what started the whole thing. the hoe bag didn't like the question, simple, so she grabs him partly out of anger, partly out of hormone issues and partly from the gallons of sand pouring from her vagina. Then other cops (whom im shure have tried to get in her pants) come in to help, cause theyre not going to stand around while their alpha pack leader is trying to wrestle some dude by herself. And ofcourse being macho infront of said hoe bag elevates chances of possibly having squad car sex.

ITS SO f***ING SIMPLE.
:D

the senator even said the minute the cops grabbed him: "let me answer his question"

some a******s gonna paraphrase and quote each of my sentances with a little comeback to cover up their inability to look for obvious things first, like a f***ing mic infront of him, so, "eat a dick" in advance.

oh right they cut his mic. oh well, he loses. my points about the cop bitch remain valid. that colbert clip is the only one ive seen from that angle. lots of people filming it apparently...

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heres what looks like more of the conversation.



this is that cop im talking about, yoll see another one holding a gun at him too...



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i'm just gonna quote this one bit from yur post lmnt ...

the hoe bag didn't like the question, simple, so she grabs him partly out of anger, partly out of hormone issues and partly from the gallons of sand pouring from her vagina.

coz that's fukn funny :D lol

Is it actually true that cops are only meant to use the TASER if they feel someone is threatened or did someone just make that up?

You should know about the use of force continuum.

why do you believe they tasered him because they felt threatened?

Err i dont, i reckon they did it because they sucked at their job or because the guy pissed them off.

They did it because coppers act like c***s all round the world. They employ so many arseholes who just get off on their power trip of been a copper. If you and I did that to somebody we would be arrested but they get protected. You just have to see the passion in their eyes when they hand out fines or arrest somebody. Most do it because it makes them feel big and important.

If you and I did that to somebody we would be arrested but they get protected.

I think you'll find that when police misbehave on camera, they're usually busted. I find it hard to believe that the police involved in this incident won't get into trouble, assuming what they did was wrong in any way.

You just have to see the passion in their eyes when they hand out fines or arrest somebody. Most do it because it makes them feel big and important.

that's a pretty gross generalisation. I have some friends that are police officers and they don't do it to feel big or important. Most of the work they have to do is dealing with complete and utter f***heads. I sure as s*** couldn't do it, I'd be shooting idiots every second day until they figured out I was a Dexter-esque serial killer with none of the subtlety.

Whats that? A good ol' tasering you say? Why if course, its part of the constitution now!

Pregnant woman 'Tasered' by police is convicted

Wheelchair-Bound Woman Dies After Being Shocked With Taser 10 Times

Deputies subdue autistic boy with Taser

Ya gotta laugh coz its funny and ya gotta cry coz it's also really f***in funny. I'm sure they all deserved it tho

I once actually saw a cop trying to defribulate a dieing squirrel on the side of the road with a taser

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tasers seem to be as versitile as dr who's sonic screw driver

ahha gold parabol

I once actually saw a cop trying to defribulate a dieing squirrel on the side of the road with a taser

no you didnt

also

i now proclaim parabol, KINGS OF THE INTARWEBS!!!!

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