As you may have heard on this morning's news, NASA made a mistake with their US global warming data around the year 2000 and have now corrected the figures after someone reversed engineered their calculations.

The hottest year on record isn't 1998 but in the 1930s with 5 of the ten hottest years on record happening before world war 2 and recent years being cooler than 1900.

Link: http://www.norcalblogs.com/watts/2007/08/1998_no_longer_the_hottest_yea.html

This post on slashdot summarises why the correction is a good find but a minor issue in the scheme of things, but expect this find to re-enforce the sceptics and may cause the fanatics to bluster.

sweet, I am so ditching the prius

1930's eh... so global warming is actually the fault of global economists! i knew it had to be something like that... pfft carbon dioxide INDEED! or it mighta been the nazis... they were always doing bad stuff back then i hear.

I don't think they were doing it in the US though - you're gonna have to find another scapegoat to blame your fuel-gobbling motorcycle ways on demon. besides, don't you think poor adolf has been blamed for enough?

don't you think poor adolf has been blamed for enough?

Hardly ...

http://homepage.powerup.com.au/~boldajis/images/hitler_seat.jpg

in the 70s all of this global warming s*** was happening except it was global freezing that everyone was told to be afraid of.

So if we continue on that trend, by 2037 we should be fearing the fact that the temperature is constant, right?

lol you srsly have your head in the sand if you think we aren't causing global warming

I laughed so hard at that picture. Well done, parabol.

anyone who thinks we can reverse or even stop global warming in our life times is also deluded pave

As long as the next ice age does not happen in my lifetime.

sweet, I am so ditching the prius

A mate told me that in the new evo mag they said the carbon output required to manufacture for ONE Prius would require the car to be used for 108 years for it to actually have meant some savings for the environment.

and the prius is useless because it has to carry 2 lots of engine, meaning it's not as efficient as it could be, and theres f*** all space in them

I just don't want to be around when the pole's switch.

like our actions mean anything. china and the US are f***ing consuming the world.

China seriously needs to be wiped off the face of this planet, I'm not joking either.

I would suggest an Electric Car but the powers that be crushed them and erased them from the public consciousness.

Hydrogen Good! EV bad!

Hydrogen Good! EV bad!

Hydrogen Good! EV bad!

and repeat.



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Comrade chub trying to protest your new communist overlords will only get you in trouble.

Oh by the way, this is the new corrected data. Still doesn't look good:

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.D_lrg.gif

China seriously needs to be wiped off the face of this planet, I'm not joking either.

As well as any non-secular country.
Behold, by 'improved' map of the word. Purple indicated radioactive water. Or something similar, you choose.

http://helix.racetime.com.au/files/zero/improved_map_sm.jpg

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anyone who thinks we can reverse or even stop global warming in our life times is also deluded pave

yeah of course

yeah of course

anyone that automatically agrees with s***, without reading up on it to understand first, has their head up their arse instead of in the sand... and my sand smells MUCH nicer than your arse.

lol nice assumption mate

it's natural to believe global warming isn't caused (or at least exacerbated) by humans because we are comfortable in our present polluting lifestyle, I know I am

Regardless of whether we are causing global warming or not... we're f***ing up the environment and that's a fact.

no matter where people like to stick thier heads, or suggest places for other people to stick them, we (humans on this here planet) did not cause global warming. we may, possibly, have given it a little nudge one way or the other, with our jet-streams n carbons n wotnots... but what causes global warming is the sun. human's just don't emit enough heat to cause global warming!

what causes global warming is the sun

Haha, I love the arm-chair climatology where people are quick to shift the blame so they can continue polluting with their mind at ease.

While we're talking about matters none of us non-experts understand, from wikipedia (with a proper reference given after the quote):

With respect to global warming, though solar activity has been at relatively high levels during the recent period, the fact that solar activity has been near constant during the last 30 years precludes solar variability from playing a large role in recent warming.

It is estimated that the residual effects of the prolonged high solar activity account for between 18 and 36% of warming from 1950 to 1999.

(emphasis mine)

Data collected from:

( http://www.drao-ofr.hia-iha.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/icarus/www/sol_home.shtml )
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Solar-cycle-data.png )

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0d/Solar-cycle-data.png

Of course we are causing global warming.

Have you guys seen Beijing recently?

ffs get over it.

human's just don't emit enough heat to cause global warming!

global warming isn't claimed to be caused by humans emitting heat is it? or was that a cheeky demon comment

the fact that solar activity has been near constant during the last 30 years precludes solar variability from playing a large role in recent warming.

Didn't some Russian scientist show that both Mars and the Earth are heating up, suggesting that the Sun might actually play a role? And everyone dismissed it because he was going against popular scientific opinion? Oh wait, here it is.

I still dont know the 'truth' but whatever is causing it, putting more carbon up there cant be helping and thats all that matters. However, I still love saying that we are preventing a global cooling to f*** with hippies.

Every time something contrary to the pop-science explanation comes up (and im just talking about small chunks of evidence, not whole explanations or deciding that global warming isnt happening) you cant be sure to trust it or consider it or call it bulls***, so I stay the f*** out of it; but I still find it interesting when information comes out the wrong way. Has anyone managed to explain historical global cooling/warming from coral evidence?

$10 says this won't get any major news time (whereas I certainly heard the 1998 is the hottest year etc on many occasions).

like our actions mean anything. china and the US are f***ing consuming the world.

I thought Qgl didn't allow the French to join :/

poor attitudes on here. you cant stop the chinas and the us, but you can try make a difference. whats happend to the aussie attitued, "have a go?"

my tips,

swap power to a green supplier. lots of lists on the web for the credibiltiy.
take your own bags when you shop. took me months to get into the habbit, but now, i hate it when i dont.
cycle. i have the luxury of work being only 10ks away. and thats along way for this city. but for those runs to the shop for bread and milk, give it a go.

Its teh alienzzz!!! They are heating up our planet to kill us all off. Then when we are dead they will come down and take it for themselves and their high temperature physiology.

I welcome our new overload oppressors.

I still dont know the 'truth' but whatever is causing it, putting more carbon up there cant be helping and thats all that matters.

Carbon emissions don't cause the temperature to go up. When the temperature goes up, due to the sun, more carbon is released into the atmosphere.

cycle. i have the luxury of work being only 10ks away. and thats along way for this city. but for those runs to the shop for bread and milk, give it a go.

Although its likely bulls***, I recently read something along the lines of it costing more carbon emissions to farm the food to fuel your body to walk to the shops than you put out driving there. Cycling is a bit more efficient but not much more than walking.

but higher amounts of atmospheric carbon aids plant growth, so its win win.

also, apparently the ability of the oceans to absorb CO2 thanks to the photosynthesising plankton is apparently steadily declining. sort that s*** out (mineral fertilization of the oceans), and we'll have no need for s***ty hybrids.

warming of the globe is causing the global warming

When the temperature goes up, due to the sun, more carbon is released into the atmosphere.

lol, more carbon is also released into the atmosphere when you take all the carbon sinks the earth has and burn them

We will continue to f*** up this floating rock, and if we wipe ourselves out completely, the rock will continue to float around the sun.

You youngsters are the ones who will have kids that will eventually end up in power, and only then will you see true change. The Pollies of today and the children of 19th Century, and honestly, they don't give a rats arse about common folk like us. We are a usable commodity like any other thing on this rock. Once your children start to supercede the existing power structure, then their ideas about global warming and the planet will start to prevail.

The real lesson through all of this is to train your kids well. Groom them properly and they will make good leaders.

FB

Who cares about their kids once they're dead?

old forests are pretty s***ty as carbon sinks anyway, chop them down and plant new trees imo.

less animals making co2 to boot.

Who cares about their kids once they're dead?

If you don't care enough to prepare them for life beyond your own death, then you don't care enough about them at all.

The purpose of a parent is to train a child for life, and if they grow up with concerns about issues like global warming, then maybe that small percentage of kids who strive to make a difference will get into power after the present morons are gone and make changes.

Raising offspring to outlive ones' self is one way people make thier peace with their impending death. There is something comforting about the fact that the human race and the world continues, and you've contributed to that continuation.

parabol you missed my point, or troll... which was that the sun is the source of heat in this here solar system, not what may or may not be causing some recent fluctuations. if you removed all carbon dioxide magically from the earth there would still be significant capture of heat from the water vapour in the atmosphere... if you magically take away the sun all warming will tand towards entropy & finally cease.

i dunno why you seem to think that my trolls are for the purpose of putting my mind at ease due to the horrible pollutants i daily pass on to the atmosphere. i'm not a catholic.. i don't need to feel guilty about living a regular life (or more specifically, try to make others feel guilty about living a normal life) & so i don't.

global warming isn't claimed to be caused by humans emitting heat is it?

the claim here is that humans are causing global warming as i read it. to heat the entire planet would require some sort of massive heat source... like the sun! humans didn't make the sun or control it & yet it spews it's heat out at us without care or concern! venus has worse global warming than the earth but we never released any carbons there! ;p

or was that a cheeky demon comment

yes. yes it was :D

the claim here is that humans are causing global warming as i read it.

I thought that the global warming thing claimed that due to our excessive emission of certain gases, we're causing the earth's atmosphere to hang onto more of the sun's heat than it otherwise would, and that extra heat is the cause for concern

wrong wrong wrong you're wrong.

jim is right

the claim here is that humans are causing global warming as i read it.

Surely, regardless of whether or not humans are causing global warming, or whether or not global warming is even happening, is almost immaterial. If we can stop spewing s*** into the environment, we should probably just do it.

I thought that the global warming thing claimed that due to our excessive emission of certain gases, we're causing the earth's atmosphere to hang onto more of the sun's heat than it otherwise would, and that extra heat is the cause for concern

but adding certain greenhouse gases to the atmosphere so that it retains more heat isn't causing global warming, it's just making a fluctuation in the global warming that is always present.

Surely, regardless of whether or not humans are causing global warming, or whether or not global warming is even happening, is almost immaterial.

gnowhey. it's excellent forum fodder. :D

If we can stop spewing s*** into the environment, we should probably just do it.

you first. n if a couple of year down the track it looks like your ok then i might too ;p
i agree but i feel that hoping that our current materialist society will uniformly take the moral highground on this issue & clean up potentially harmful emissions because it is beneficial to everyone in the long term is futile. we'd need to be like.. commies!

if I'm wrong imitation, say why! I don't claim to have any idea either way, I'm just wondering what demon means

but adding certain greenhouse gases to the atmosphere so that it retains more heat isn't causing global warming, it's just making a fluctuation in the global warming that is always present.

so you're more debating the actual phrase 'global warming' and the possible implications of the phrase itself?

of course the earth is always being warmed by the sun, surely the phrase 'global warming' is being used to describe any alleged additional/increasing warming effect caused by human's actions and lifestyle?

of course the earth is always being warmed by the sun, surely the phrase 'global warming' is being used to describe any alleged additional/increasing warming effect caused by human's actions and lifestyle?

Well there are two sides to the increasing global temperature team - most people 'assume' its man caused carbon emissions, and abunch actually research and believe the same thing and then there are also even more people and they believe that the rising temp isnt caused by man but is part of an uncontrollable global trend or something. Then there are the 'no warming' people.

Who the f*** knows who is correct... more greenhouse gasses cant be helping either way is the main point. China rocks!

It is caused by an increase in the whale population. Too many whales, eating too much plankton, means more whale farts generating methane and instability under the polar caps. If we let the Japs shoot more whales, then we have less methane at the poles, and fatter Japs. Also, all those unemployed graduates greenpeace people camping on the polar caps, waiting for poor starving japs to come along, has polluted the poles to the point where mobile waste transfer stations are breaking up the ice trying to clean up their mess. This broken ice is then separated from the caps by the vibrations of excessive whale farts. :) Who needs scientists when you have a Bear eh!

FB

has anyone thought to ask neptune?
maybe they're having similar problems, but i guess noone seems to care about them

seems a bit tad selfish imo

I'd have thought it was more to do with a reduction in pirates than an increase in whale population

Who the f*** knows who is correct... more greenhouse gasses cant be helping either way is the main point.

I'm hoping that they had the wrong size test tube or something and it turns out that we need to be emitting a lot more co2

Well ten years ago about 1500 of the greatest scientific minds in the world and a majority of Nobel Laureates all jumped on the pro-global-warming Kyoto bandwagon, and the hippies have been declaring armageddon about this for decades, yep the evidence is stacking up & getting pretty hard to continue to deny or ignore.

Bring on nuclear I say. Use it as a mechanism to drive further r&d in long-term practical sustainable energy sources like solar, compete with coal and drive growth in electric transportation eg Tesla. Plus nuclear has a whole pile of ancillary benefits wrt driving geopolitical and economic objectives of the US & aligned nations, not withstanding the awesome national benefits of uranium mining here. Apparently 15-20% of US energy is drawn from nuclear sources and has been for several decades. The stuff is stable, cheap, kills f***all people compared to coal, and best of all green!

and best of all green!

its not green in its current state because it leaves waste which you have to put somewhere. But there are other forms which are clean, just not available yet.

nuclear power + desalination plant = no more water problem?

I think the current industry norm is encasing the final waste product in 100 tonne concrete n steel sarcophicas of which only 5 tonnes are actual waste. Park em / bury em out in the middle of nowhere! Sure it's nasty s***, but consider how much coal you'd have to burn instead. I think nuclear has about a million times the energy potential?

i guess you didnt hear about this then http://article.wn.com/view/2007/07/17/Japan_quake_tips_barrels_of_nuclear_waste/

Why don't we just get an air conditioner ?