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Topic: North Korea says UN declaring war
Linker
Posts: 648
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
NORTH Korea said today the new UN resolution imposing sanctions on the country was a "declaration of war" and warned it would strike back at any nations that try to tighten the screws on its regime.


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edit: fixed post.
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Spook
Posts: 16966
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
they klazy
Agent 99
Posts: 1414
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Hmmm, this is all very interesting...
fade
Posts: 2490
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
shad
Posts: 1693
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Damn, I read the topic and thought north korea has actually declared war.
Lunch
Posts: 741
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
same.

That topic is blatantly wrong :/
PHATm
Posts: 649
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
meh fixed it. couldnt before because of websense and the edit button linking to a page with 'games' in the url :P

last edited by PHATm at 18:13:24 17/Oct/06
Loki
Posts: 7245
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Oh goody, n.korea is getting all angsty, just what we need.
dice
Posts: 1532
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland
i'm on north korea's side on this one. doesn't seem like they're a threat at all unless the US try screw them over like they did iraq. usa has little to no credibility anymore. stupid people are not allowed to rule the earth, so what is bush doing as president?

and they voted him in ... so forget the usa until they stop being such brain dead hicks
hast
Posts: 782
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
lol. they are already technically at war with the US, South Korea and I think the United Nations since there has been no peace treaty to end the Korean War.

last edited by hast at 19:02:58 17/Oct/06
sLiNky
Posts: 741
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
^^ Same between Japan and Russia who are also still at war.
nF
Posts: 12595
Location: Wynnum, Queensland
thats semantics, just as there vietnam war was never actually declared
Raven
Posts: 1659
Location: Melbourne, Victoria
So it really is going to be North Korea vs The World.
maxe
Posts: 12360
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
f***en pinko's. what are they gonna do, throw food stamps at us?

they couldnt afford the fuel to get a nuke in the sky



yeah im talking to you, north korea.
Spook
Posts: 16968
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
sssh man
ull upset them
dice
Posts: 1533
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland
westerners live in a magical world where they can do no evil
sharkuul
Posts: 358
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
dice is korean
dice
Posts: 1534
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland
your mother has korean in her


now
spidz
Posts: 9813
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
perhaps if the US of A gave up their nukes, other countries - particularly those that don't like the US of A would be more inclined to do the same?
step
Posts: 1222
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
perhaps if the US of A gave up their nukes, other countries - particularly those that don't like the US of A would be more inclined to do the same?

No more 8 ball for you...
koopz
Posts: 5939
Location: Queensland
perhaps if the US of A gave up their nukes, other countries - particularly those that don't like the US of A would be more inclined to do the same?



er... no.


unfortunately, we haven't gotten past the psychological downsides to natural selection


. or learnt grammer and speeling

last edited by koopz at 21:54:04 17/Oct/06
Alize`
Posts: 313
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Korea is selling nukes to Osama (Team America: World Police, 2004).
eXemplar
Posts: 1881
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
KOREAN OUT OF f***ING NOWHERE
Booyah
Posts: 6599
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I love all Ians, they're so gory.
bargain
Posts: 1365
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I have a friend called Iian. He lives in Korea. (south)
Crizane Tribal
Posts: 1318
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Same between Japan and Russia who are also still at war


Fun fact: the Russo-Japanese war was the first time an asian power defeated a european power in a major conflict. You all learned something today.
paveway
Posts: 3725
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
man f*** north korea, you all say 'maybe of usa gave up their nukes' but we all know the yanks aren't going to use them unless in the most extreme case,

these korean c***s probably will sell them to osama or use them, cause they are c***s.

edit: no wait they are a******s and you're all pussies.
d[o_0]b
Posts: 1154
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
i for one welcome our new korean overlords
demon
Posts: 2402
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
bleh. north korea rattles it's sabre at the world in general again ... & the world fails to give a s*** (apart from the sanctions :P). i guess it'd be different if they could actually launch a successful icbm or nuke... but it seems they can't.
Captain America
Posts: 1256
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland

omg hast how can you depict mahomet on qgl :((( do you wish they byurn us downs?
spidz
Posts: 9815
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
paveway - which is the only country to have used a nuke aggressively?
Bah
Posts: 2206
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Didnt they bomb some country that killed a few million people, committed genocide and tried to take over the world?
Lynx
Posts: 426
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
It'd be laughing if they did launch a nuke at America, the USA would likely sink North Korea with their arsenal.
dice
Posts: 1540
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland
^ that would be funny for a whole of 2 seconds until the reality of what you just said sank in
dice
Posts: 1543
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland
More on this topic: New Scientist Article

The evidence amassed by the world's network of monitoring stations now suggests that the event near Píunggye in the north of the country was a plutonium fizzle rather than a full-blown nuclear explosion.

A 'fizzle' is worth that amount of tension and hype from the media? hahaha I'm kidding, like anyone here really needs to know that the media is full of s.... and just like to dramatize anything they can to get our attention (where attention is defined as $$$$).

Also interesting:
The seismic evidence, however, shows that the yield was unusually small for a nuclear explosion, he says. It registered around 4 on the Richter scale, suggesting that it was below 1 kilotonne. Trinity, the US's first test, in July 1945, was 20 kilotonnes.

Over 300 stations monitoring for nuclear explosions around the world are being brought together under the auspices of the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty. There are already 189 centres recording seismic data, plus 80 sampling the air for traces of radioactivity.

So it seems there is no real threat as yet, and nuclear war is a very long way off unless N.Korea somehow manage to build a missile capable of travelling further than Japan, and then a nuclear warhead small enough to fit on said missile. And then the UN and US have to do something really wrong by N.Korea to warrant a hostile retaliation of such magnitude.

Fear mongering sucks.
typo
Posts: 5181
Location: Other International
paveway - which is the only country to have used a nuke aggressively?


Given the position America was in, I'd imagine any world leader would do the same. Coming out of a huge and costly war in europe only to finish up a mortaly wounded Japan that would, practically, never surrender.

You have a choice:
A) Send millions of your countries Sons to die as they fight for each inch of Japan
B) Nuke the site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.

Crusher
Posts: 161
Location: Newcastle, New South Wales
I always find it amusing how North Korea claim trade sanctions are an "act of war" however shooting missiles at neighbours as "tests" and letting off nukes near the border of other countries as more "tests" isnt.
dice
Posts: 1544
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland
sanctions = limiting freedom, which is definitely an act of war when it comes to nations. the UN + USA (i say those 2 seperately because the USA seems to do whatever it likes regardless of UN) are attempting to rule the world and ensure they are the only ones with power. i wouldn't have been ok with the idea of n.korea doing this, but the USA with G. Bush have proven they are not to be trusted, especially if you have something they want

also testing missiles and bombs is making sure they can defend themselves if the need ever arises, it's not necessarily an act of war, unless they actually bomb something or hurt someone, and they haven't with the tests to my knowledge

media propaganda seems to be the problem here, not a 'mad man' in power
Tollaz0r!
Posts: 7513
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
How dare you speak Ill of the media! They only do what is right for us!

hehehe.
myWhiteWolf
Posts: 2451
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
You have a choice:
A) Send millions of your countries Sons to die as they fight for each inch of Japan
B) Nuke the site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.


i like how people justify it like that.

in other words.
A) attack them with your armies when they are mortally wounded.
B) stand back and kill there women and children.
C) retreat yourself.

it was and always will be a cowardly act.
fpot
Posts: 13620
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland
Just because it was a cowardly act doesn't mean it wasn't a necessary act.
dice
Posts: 1550
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland
i like how people justify it like that.

in other words.
A) attack them with your armies when they are mortally wounded.
B) stand back and kill there women and children.
C) retreat yourself.

it was and always will be a cowardly act.

i'll be the first to say human life is the most important on the planet, however, there are subdivisions that must be addressed. although the same species, we are not of the same mind, and our ways of life will be challenged and even threatened by those around us. some may want to destroy us for our land or simply out of dislike or fear. whatever the reason, when war comes, all is legal. there are no rules when your own life is threatened. you may kill someone who is trying to rob you by this logic, and if they are so low as to do that to you, i see no reason why they should be allowed to live anyhow.

so was the attack by the USA cowardly? i don't think so, i see it as an aspect of war. if you are prepared to go to war, be prepared to accept whatever consequences might arise. you threaten the lives of my people and even attack us, i will regretfully destroy you. regretfully because i do not like to see people suffer and would prefer a peaceful resolve, but i must put my people first, as they are relying on me for their safety and protection of their way of life. my sympathy for the innocent caught in the way due to stupid men in power.

nations rise and fall, this is how it is in natural selection. america is winning in this respect, as they have the most powerful military, so if you go to war with america, prepare to be wiped out. anyone who complains about such treatment needs to respect the authority of the USA and tactically secure themselves before rising up against them (infiltrate their ranks for instance and wage a silent war), otherwise you really can't expect to cry "ok i'm out i'm out" when you start to get on the losing end. also, if the authority of the USA is being abused, then those in power must be removed to better reflect the ideals of the people. if this fails, then the world is in trouble.

i wish there were a god, but unfortunately, we must rely on the laws of physics to guide us in who can/will survive.
lmnt
Posts: 1417
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
theres so many other countries that have enough s*** to blanket the world in radiation, i say start with those f***ers first. france, russia, america, israel, they have massive stockpiles, they can eat a dick if theyre gonna preach to other countries what they can and can't do. why is korea such a big issue? think about it... i dont really care how crazy im told the leader is, he just wants attention. its nothing to do with terrorism. its hypocrisy at its greatest,.

if america and any other country with more nukes than pamela anderson has stds wants to tell korea what to do it should lead by example, thats a f***ing step in the right direction.
typo
Posts: 5189
Location: Other International
in other words.
A) attack them with your armies when they are mortally wounded.


Even though Japan couldn’t win the war, at least without some sort of massive miracle occurring, they could still prolong the war for years.

In planning the invasion of Japan the cost for Allied troops was going to be in the millions. Japan was already getting the peasants riled up to suicide bomb American troops. It would have been a long, bloody, and, for Japan, a total strategic loss on a global scale.

America already had first hand knowledge with how costly, for both sides, the death throws of a dying empire could be. They didn’t want to have to do it all over again.

B) stand back and kill there women and children.


Their only other choice was saturation bombing of industrial , and like any other world power Japan’s industrial centres where in major cities. Millions of Europeans where killed, and entire nations economic powers where destroyed, by saturation bombing, and, given a cost of strategic resources, wasn’t very efficient.

Remember, the only reason that Germany (and Japan) recovered as fast as they did was because of the massive economic support it (they) got from America.

Again, in any invasion of Japan millions of Japanese women and children would have been killed, if not by saturation bombing, but by militia groups and the suicide tactics that had already been prevalent in other aspects of the war.

C) retreat yourself.


Japan might have been on the losing end of the war, but they where still an aggressive, unbeaten, opponent. Retreating would have only allowed Japan to reconsolidate it’s forces. Best case scenario Empirical Japan would have joined USA and USSR in the cold war. Japan was a good deal down the atomic path themselves (with only a detour down the ‘invisible death ray” research path (I kid you not) to make them behind the USA).

Nuking the site from orbit probably saved Japan billions of dollars and millions of lives.

Viper119
Posts: 999
Location: UK

Typo Wins.

The entire world was at war, nuking japan was a perfectly feasible alternative to a mass land/sea invasion.

Cry more or get over it already.
paveway
Posts: 3745
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

yeah typo that post was worth reading

also nuking from orbit ftw


last edited by paveway at 11:44:26 21/Oct/06
dice
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Location: Gold Coast, Queensland
you say that as if you are some kind of worthy judge of the situation paveway, firmly under the impression you have intelligence ... good for you
Alize`
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Location: Brisbane, Queensland
so dice is QGL judge of people's opinions and intelligence? ok
paveway
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Location: Brisbane, Queensland
hahahaha

don't hate on me, because i am hetero ok
PHATm
Posts: 652
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
North Korea has the bomb, but no electricity
AvengeR
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Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Ion cannon ready
typo
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don't hate on me, because i am hetero ok


That's not what you said last night.
trog
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Their only other choice was saturation bombing of industrial , and like any other world power Japan’s industrial centres where in major cities. Millions of Europeans where killed, and entire nations economic powers where destroyed, by saturation bombing, and, given a cost of strategic resources, wasn’t very efficient.
That's not to say the Allies didn't carpet bomb the s*** out of Japan. It's pretty depressing being in Japan and going to visit these old temples and castles, only to find signs everywhere saying "this is a replica; the original building was destroyed by allied bombs in World War 2".

Japan had the living s*** bombed out of it with incendiaries; one of the raids on Tokyo was estimated to have had more casualties than Hiroshima or Nagasaki. So the whole nuking of those cities if often blown out of proportion in terms of immediate body counts (arguably the longer lasting effects of radiation on those cities caused a lot of other deaths).

But yeh - it's important to remember that a metric f***-ton of people were killed by convential bombs in Japan. The lesson being, you don't necessarily need nuclear weapons to kill a lot of people. It'd probably be easier, faster and cheaper for N.K. to build a fleet of bombers and just carpet bomb S.K.
Strange Rash
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How about we just carpet bomb NK with nukes ? :P

I think nukes should be and always will be the last resort in any conflict. I just don't see it in America's interests, as you can't invest and profit from any country thats glowing in the dark.

typo
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That's not to say the Allies didn't carpet bomb the s*** out of Japan. It's pretty depressing being in Japan and going to visit these old temples and castles, only to find signs everywhere saying "this is a replica; the original building was destroyed by allied bombs in World War 2".


It isn't just depressing in Japan, if you know the history of most towns and cities in Europe it is staggering how much of it was destroyed in WWII.

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