so i was in the middle of an interscetion waiting to turn, the light goes amber, the car infront of me turns and i went to follow him through, the light is now red so i assumed i'd be pretty safe doing this. some guy comes flying through the red light, sorta brakes, doesnt turn, BANG!

so now my car looks like one of those european compact cars!!

http://img75.imageshack.us/my.php?image=abcd0001sm6.jpg

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/2179/abcd0003tb7.jpg

Moral of the story: never assume! and never offer to give ppl a lift.

If he definately ran the red (that is it turned red before he crossed the line even if only a split second before), you should have gotten witnesses and it won't be your fault at least.

What was the other car?

So what you're saying is that you were sitting in the middle of the intersection and the light turned red while you were in the middle of it? Was the other guy comming the other direction? (your pics don't work for me so I can't see ur car) Are you sure his light was red? Maybe he had a green while you were still sitting in the middle of the intersection and your light turned red?


edit: ok now the pics work, dirty editer :)
So I assume he was comming in the other direction, are you 100% sure his light was also red and not just yours?

last edited by whoop at 21:58:49 22/Sep/06

Just wondering, since my mate had a (reasonably minor) head on today... where was it and what car did the driver have?

sorry, pics work now.

it was at the intersection of old cleveland and cav roads at prbly 7.30 tonight...

and yeh i was in the wrong, turning across on coming traffic without giving way properly.. that said, both lights were red and i was already in the intersection. i had pretty well stopped by the time he hit me, other guy didnt seem to break very much though..

and yeh i was in the wrong, turning across on coming traffic without giving way properly

harsh lesson an it's gonna cost ya. Just lucky no one was hurt
NEVER enter a choked intersection eg, cross opposite lane unless you have complete ability to pass through

Well you never admit liability - thats just crazy talk. As soon as you do that then you've got no way out of it.

Also, if your over the stop line in your lane and the lights go red your legally allowed to go through.

If you were already in the intersection before the red light, and as you were turning the guy ran a red light and hit you, i'd say its that persons fault. I think at worse there would be mitigated liability. Let the insurance take care of it, thats what you pay them for.

Also what ticman said, never admit liability. I wouldn't even say I was sorry even tho there is legislation that says an appology is not an admission of guilt.

i didn't admit liability at the time, and im still not sure if it was my fault or not. im just goin off what the cop said. the problem is; no one has ne way of knowing whether the light was red or not, when he went through. i think it was but i can be sure and cant prove it if it was...

Also, if your over the stop line in your lane and the lights go red your legally allowed to go through.

That's pretty much only if there's no one in front of you though. There was a car in front of him already in the intersection so technically he should have been back behind the line just in case, not sitting in the middle of the intersection with the first car that did make it through. Like the other guy said, if your path isn't clear don't enter the intersection.

And the intersection had no red light camera at all?

you f***ing d*******, servs you f***ing right. the light prolly went green for the other driver.

same thing happened to me, except i was the other driver. old mate turned right infront of me and i t boned him.

Also what ticman said, never admit liability. I wouldn't even say I was sorry even tho there is legislation that says an appology is not an admission of guilt.

doesnt matter what you say at the accident, people are in shock then.

last edited by mooby at 02:14:05 23/Sep/06

This thread needs ms-paint.

How are you sure that his light was red. Some intersections have a second or two delay with the lights, so yours might be turning red, while the other light has just changed to yellow. Why they do this I dunno :/

once you are into the intersection all other drivers must allow you to exit.

the only exception being if you drive an excel in which case they can drive into you.

I know that intersection, both lights change at the same time. The best thing you can do is go back at the same day and same time next week and observe the light pattern at that time.

What car is it? and if so you interested in selling? let me know via pm.

I was at that intersection about 10 mins earlier and the lights all change together. So I reckon the other driver ran the light. I assume you were on cav rd turning right heading west onto old cleveland? Cause thats a bad intersection cause most of the time u can't see the cars comingas there is usually a line up of cars turning right from the other direction.

Haha same intersection I had my accident on years and years ago, turning from the same street into the same street.

Same stories, different damage.

Well it looks to me like it is your fault becase you both were running red lights

If you were queuing to turn like it sounds (green light, no arrow light), only the first car in the queue is allowed to move into the intersection and then "turn on red". Your fault there I think because you should have been queued behind the stop line and never in a position to turn.

^^ he didn't really run it, he was in the intersection before it turned red, although he shouldn't have been there if his path wasn't clear so they're both to blame but I'd say the other guy's more to blame for consiously running a red light whereas the OP just was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

edit: reply to denominator here

ummm you say that you were sitting in the middle of the intersection behind another car waiting to turn right... It's fine to have a car turning right when the light goes amber/red, but I believe the second car in line (you) has to be waiting back behind the line before he turns.. When he turns and the light is green/amber you can shoot through.. But I don't think you can have two cars sitting in the middle of the intersection???

Cav and Old Cleveland claims another victim, what you experienced is very common for that intersection.

yeh visability up cav road is terible there! pisses me off that this intersection causes so many accidents when it could be easily fixed with an arrow signel on the lights!

that sucks.

never had a prob with that intersection, but visibility for oncoming traffic when turning right can be a bit of a bugger,

I was a passenger in the car that got hit turning right. The guy sped up fairly quickly to go through the red but he definetely did. Though who can prove it cop said we were wrong because we didn't give way ah well...

Moral of the story know which intersections to use and which ones not to.

so your driver saw a guy speeding up to the intersection and continued to turn right into it?
Moral of THIS story know that car speeding up means hes not slowing down.

Fnukle: your an idiot!

of course i didnt see him speeding up, i didnt even see him coming untill it was too late! we assume he sped up because of the speed he was doing when he hit me..

I wait till the car is literally stopped before I go, even if it means I loiter in after the red for a bit.

Smart move a lot of a the times, people still try and squeeze through at 10km/h over the limit while people are waiting to turn... complete tools.

In general I do the same as chub does, I'd rather have a working car and take a few seconds longer at the lights than be in the right with a totaled car.

If he definately ran the red (that is it turned red before he crossed the line even if only a split second before), you should have gotten witnesses and it won't be your fault at least.

Isn’t it illegal to enter a blocked intersection for this exact reason?