Sorry about the long quote.

Courier Mail

An eight-year-old girl murdered in a Perth shopping centre was being attacked as her uncle and brother knocked frantically on the toilet door where she died, police believe.

Sofia Rodrigez-Urrutia-Shu was snatched at random before being sexually assaulted and killed at the Livingstone Market shopping centre in Canning Vale.

The schoolgirl, from the neighbouring suburb of Banjup, left her uncle, 14-year-old brother and 11-year-old sister to go to a toilet about 6pm on Monday, police said.

When Sofia failed to emerge within a few minutes, her uncle and brother searched the female and male toilets.

They got no response when they knocked on the locked disabled toilet cubicle, where police say the girl was probably being attacked at the time.

After searching the car park, her brother returned to find Sofia's naked body on the toilet floor, as a man fled the scene.

The boy briefly gave chase before returning to his sister's body, police said. Her clothes were found piled nearby.

"We are all devastated by the sudden and senseless loss of Sofia," her family said in a statement issued through police. "Please keep Sofia and our family in your thoughts and prayers."

Police have charged a 21-year-old man with wilful murder, deprivation of liberty and two counts of sexual penetration.

Dante Wyndham Arthurs, of Canning Vale, appeared briefly in Perth Magistrate's Court, and was remanded in custody to reappear on July 11.

Detective Senior Sergeant John Wibberley said it was not clear whether Sofia had wandered into the disabled toilet or had been snatched from the female toilets.

I hope this guy gets what's coming to him big time. WTF?

a new low

that sure is one of those stomach turning stories. :S Very sad.

Thats disgusting. It makes me sick to be a part of the human race when we are capable of so much depravity. That poor little girl, and her brother for finding her and having to remember that for the rest of his life.

And this 21 year old? Doesnt that seem relatively young for this kind of a crime? Will be interesting to find out what sort of history he has.

Lets hope the 'justice system' doesnt fail this family and punishes him accordingly.

In reflection, apologies for the 'letter to the editor' style response.

That's f***ing horrid, I hope he goes to prison and gets shat on and gets the same in return.

Rumour is even crims have standards and sexually assautling a child will result in a massive amount of f***up for that person when he gets behind bars.

Only one punishment is fit for this crime (actually it's a group of punishments)

1: Castration
2: Frontal Lobotomy
3: Forced to be subjected to having Medical Experiements carried out for the rest of his natural life

Rumour is even crims have standards and sexually assautling a child will result in a massive amount of f***up for that person when he gets behind bars.

Yeah I've heard that, don't know if it's true but we can only hope it happens to the guy that did this.

I agree wtih Hermitech except on the frontal lobotamy bit - i would want the person to be aware of all the s*** that hoepfully will happen to them for the rest of their life.

its true, i know ppl who have been in and out of prison

they have to put the pedo's / rapists and all the sick c***s in diferent wings completely away from from the other people cause they just get the f*** smashed out of them every day

this is horrible

i hope the guy that did it learns exaclty how horrible when hes put in prison

again, i dont get how people can do stuff like this and think they will get away with it?

same goes for all the gangsters in melbourne shooting each other and anyone who thinks they can just kill or rape

also agree with hermitech... but on all counts. for a normal person life in prison getting cornholed by bubba would be hell on earth but for a sick muthrfukr that rapes & kills a fukn 8yo it might not be that horrifying. frontal labotomy means FUKR WILL NEVER RE-OFFEND.
my brother-in-law was a guard at woodford maximum security & he has told me that pedos only get into solitary security after they have been assaulted by the inmates & even then they still have to spend some time with the other prisoners.

do it saudi style - castrate the motherf***er.

I volunteer to be the person who performs the castration.

My fish tank is of sufficient size for him to fit in along with the fact that my fish are of sufficient size and aggressiveness to ever so slowly tear his balls off one bite at a time...

Hell, I'd even get a large Mangrove Jack (48cm +) just for the occasion...

your a sick c*** hermi ... i like it.

This mother f***er is going to get periodically gang raped, molested, assulted, stabed, cut and generally treated like s*** for the rest of his natural life ...




... with any luck that's 5 minutes less than his prison term.

Any word on how she was killed? News says that's been keep under raps atm.

strangled

Apparently the guy was charged about 3 years ago with indecent stuff to do with a kid but he was let off on a technicality.

Whoever let him off should be ashamed.

no need to add anything here except my support for everything that has been said so far.

like that time that toddler was led off by two 10 year olds i think? i don't think it was sexual, but still killed him, just so fkd up ... take care of your kids, yo, nice to be able to walk around with freeom and let them go, but seriously be real close to them out in public. seems it's not worth the risk at all

^^this is gonna start a whole debate i dont wanna get in to but meh..

Whoever let him off should be ashamed

the f***ed up legal system is what let him off..

Summary Execution FTW

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the f***ed up legal system is what let him off..

Hmmmm, this could get ugly.

frontal labotomy means FUKR WILL NEVER RE-OFFEND.

Can't remember the name, but didn't the guy who performed the first few lobotomies get killed by his own patient? (after a successful Leukotomy).

This mother f***er is going to get periodically gang raped, molested, assulted, stabed, cut and generally treated like s*** for the rest of his natural life ...

What he has done is extremely savage and i do believe that a life imprisonment teamed with rehabilitation is the only sentence this fella is worthy of. However, I find it quite disturbing that most if not all of you condone violence as listed above or would encourage it. I think its kind of sick to wish those thing upon a person no matter what they have done. If you wish those things upon him are you really any better than him? Prisoners still have rights and i hope he is protected from any violence that may come his way.


[in no way do i condone his actions]

Prisoners only have have rights cos pinko wet lefties like you gave them rights. This guy is the absolute scum of society and I'm sick of do-gooders who constantly go round saying to victims, the person who did this to you needs serious help!!

What about the victims and their families? This guy can rot in hell and catch aids in the ass for all I care.

As for justice well better 9 guilty men go free than 1 innocent man be imprisoned. Being a lawyer I know the flaws and am frustrated by them too but there is no better system I have seen, and Australia's justice system beats the f*** out of Indonesia or China.

Jesus Velvet, does something bad have to happen to you before you wake up and open your eyes and realize that everything in this world isn't all puppy dogs and roses?? Continually we hear about these sick f***s reoffending yet people like you always want to give them a second, third and forth chance. Once you commit a crime as serious as this, and are found guilty, thats it, you should loose all your rights. All you're doing is wishing that he does'nt get harmed while in prison, but what the f*** about the victims family? Their lives have been changed forever and all you can think about is you hope this sick f*** gets rehabilitation!

i do believe that a life imprisonment teamed with rehabilitation is the only sentence this fella is worthy of.

Say he's found guilty, and gets the life imprisonment, why the f*** should they bother about the rehabilitation then? What good will it serve if he never sets foot out side of the prison walls again?

I hope to god the legal system doesn't f*** this one up!

I agree with your description "absolute scum of society". There is no doubting that he is someone that no body will ever respect, love nor care about. Discount the sanctity of human rights all you like but IN MY OPINION he is still a human being and he deserves to be protected no matter how severe his crime. He was born into this society as human - not animal - and he will continue to be one till the day he dies. To condone such acts of violence against another human being is promoting the actions that you sit here punishing him for.

in my opinion, upholding a prisoners basic rights and the feelings of the victims family, friends and society in general are not related. Knowing that he is being f***ed over in prison is not going to change the fact that their child was killed and raped. Whilst i have no doubt they probably wish such things upon him i don;t see how permitting such acts against the perp would have any constructive relevance.


Here what is needed are measures that see this dude prevented from ever coming into a situation where he can harm someone else agian, be that in the prison system or in society. He should be incarcerated for life. The justice system will fail where this guy is allowed to walk free before he dies.

yet people like you always want to give them a second, third and forth chance.

Wrong. I would not condone allowing this person to live in a situation where he could reoffend. Get your facts straight.

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The facts are that these type of scum will continual to commit such hanus acts of depravity because bleeding hearts such as yourself are always there to look out for them and to see they don't get the true punishment they deserve.

To condone such acts of violence against another human being is promoting the actions that you sit here punishing him for.

Yet if that person had never committed the act in the first place, none of us would be condoning these acts. He brought them upon himself, and shall reap the rewards of what he has sewn.

I'd just like to point out that life sentence doesn't mean life .. isn't it 20-30 years or so in Australia?

Can't remember the name, but didn't the guy who performed the first few lobotomies get killed by his own patient? (after a successful Leukotomy).

i got no idea... labotomies have been going on since like 1900 or something. anyways... i am talking about an ice pick labotomy! none of this fancy schmancy cutting of nerve connections between the lobes... wack em thru the skull just above the eye socket with an ice pick then wiggle it around till the frontal lobes are porridge. they won't be killing anyone after that... being a walking vegetable n all :D

velvet: an eye for an eye, tooth for tooth. that's justice.

He'll get what he deserves in teh end. Suck f***. Let Hermi at him.

http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/2066/hermicastrationweb8op.jpg

Unfortunately, animals like this get protection on the inside. What a joke.

As far as I'm concerned, cases like this should draw the death penalty. There is simply no place in society for them. Bring back the death penalty!

BWHAHAHAHAHA

Whose ph number?

What I can't understand, is that an 8 year old girl was raped and strangled, and you Velvet, all you care about is that you hope the rights of the "alleged" offender are protected while in prison. Nothing about the poor greaving family and the horror they have to go through for the rest of their lives, just that the offender has rights too.

Why is it these days people are not allowed to disagree? I can see where he is coming from, if you do to him what he did to that girl how is that changing anything. But it seems that a lot of people want to behave in the same way this man has behaved. I must be odd, I would not be able to kill someone unless my life was been threatened. There is no doubt this man needs to be locked away but I just love the way you think doing to him what he did is going to teach him something. For f*** sakes he has been accused of killing a 8 year old girl in a shopping centre. Something tells me his head is not normal, or else we would all be doing it. We should be studying these people so we can see the signs in the future.

A child steals a piece of candy, and is told not to do it again. Another child steals a piece of candy and is smacked on the backside. Who do you think is liable to steal another piece of candy, the one who was rehabilited by the talking to, or the one who was physically punished? These "people" (using the term loosely) need to know that committing this kind of act won't get them let off with a talking too and a stay in a state run facility where their every whim is catered for by the tax payer. These people have caused distress and pain to their victims families, why not cause a little pain in return?

We should be studying these people so we can see the signs in the future.

And how do you propose this to work? Physiologists have obviously been studying these kinds of people for years, and have they found any signs yet?? It's not like they will find some gene then go "Yes, he had red hair!! Let’s lock up everyone who has red hair because they could become sick murderers!!”

There has to be something wrong with his brain in order to do this. What is wrong with the idea of trying to at least see if there is something for us to find out. Killing him will prevent us from trying to uncover how a mind like that works. What he did is just horrible and I feel for the childs family and friends. This guy should never see the light of day again, but we need to know how this could happen. What makes a man do this?

MAYBE HE PLAYED TOO MUCH CS?

velvet: an eye for an eye, tooth for tooth. that's justice.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

those bs headshots would send you crazy.

but IN MY OPINION he is still a human being

Your opinion is wrong.

very sad

What I can't understand, is that an 8 year old girl was raped and strangled, and you Velvet, all you care about is that you hope the rights of the "alleged" offender are protected while in prison. Nothing about the poor greaving family and the horror they have to go through for the rest of their lives, just that the offender has rights too.

Come off it. Care to misjudge me anymore? I have more than adequately expressed my disgust at this case and of course feel terrible for the young girls family, friends and everyone else effected by this tragedy. If my emphasis on prisoner rights offends you then dont read my posts. I am merely putting forward my opinion and whilst you have everyright to contest what i say don't try to potray me in such a cold light. Just because i have certin beliefs that don;t mirror yours doesn;t mean that i am the heartless bitch you all seem to think.

I have strong opinions on things that often vary from other peoples and i am not about to stop giving them. Thanks :)

We all have to go through s*** - doesn't mean you have to start hating the world just cause things aren't peachy 24/7

ive heard un-substantiated stories that this guy was one of the pair that beat up and left that child for dead on the train tracks about 10 years ago in england...

apparently the two got released from juvenile prison, changed their names and moved overseas, with some saying they came to australia.

discuss (whether true or not, as i said its what i heard but its un-substantiated)

^^^ I think this is true dude, I heard this as well. So if rehabilitation didn't work the first time around for these two f***s then what will work this time. I hope this sick bastard gets whats comming to him.

he was let off 3 years ago because the investigating officers were 'agressive' in their questioning leading up to his confession.

As if you wouldn't be f***ing aggressive with some f*** who rapes 8 year olds.

Mandatory death penalty.

Capital punishment.

There is no rehabilitation for someone who rapes and murders an eight year old girl.
No one who is capable of doing that can ever be trusted in society.
I don't know if he should be put to death, but he should never be released or have a chance of being released.
As for what happens to him in jail, who cares?
He took someone's chance to have a life away in an act that can only be described as shocking and disgusting.

Game over.

execute him.

There's no way my tax dollars are paying to keep that evil c*** alive in jail.

Tung,

having had a close family member work inside the prison system, i've recieved and email tonight regarding what you said..

at the moment i haven't had a chance to talk to said family member on the quality of the email, but it is extremely likely there is some truth to it because as far as i know the person who sent it knows my family member personally.

I am just so angry, frustrated and really upset at what has happened at that shopping centre that I wanted to fill you in.

About 3 yrs ago when I was working at the prison we found out that one of the boys (at the time aged about 12) that abducted James Bulger from a shopping centre in the U.K., then brutally raped and murdered him, had reached the age of 18 and had been sent out to Australia with a new identity for his family, etc. Long story short is that he was given the name of Dante Arthurs, his grandfather's name is Arthur Dante, and his family moved into a house in Canning Vale. When the prison staff got wind of this it was all supposed to be kept hushed up, it was some sort of prisoner exchange deal the Aust Govt set up. Soon after he got here he assaulted a 12 yrd old girl in a park in Canning Vale and consequently came to Hakea but for only about 6 weeks as they couldn't get enough evidence on him and the incident was brushed under the mat.

His parents used to visit him and their photos were on the computers at work and I clearly recall seeing his mum at the Livingston shops one day. I even had his address and because I've got friends and family in the area, I felt I had a right to tell them, stuff the prisons!!

I had even driven past his house in Lakeview Rise estate in Canning Vale!

Anyway when this happened yesterday I said to Ron, it'd be interesting to see if it's that Dante Arthurs guy from the U.K. and sure enough today we find out that it is him. I am, along with a lot of others, absolutely furious that the mongrel arsehole was allowed to come here via the Govt in the first place and that he was allowed to appear to live a normal life!! Why haven't the police done something about this - he should not be allowed to breathe air, he is the scum of the earth. And tonight he would be sitting back in a comfortable cell in prison, having just had a reasonable hot dinner and be watching TV!

That innocent little girl and her poor family will never ever be the same again - all because the piss weak Justice System and Govt allowed him to live in our country! There is a register for paedophiles so that the community are allowed to know where they're living and yet this piece of s*** can live on our back door step with a new identity. People winge about illegal immigrants, what about this?

It will be interesting to see what unfolds over the next few days, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if he's whisked out of the country in the same manner he was bought here, then again knowing our pathetic laws, we'll probably keep him here in our justice system, costing tax payers hundreds of thousands of dollars to feed and entertain him PLUS the do-gooders will believe in their minds that they can rehabilitate him!

I was just going to type "sorry " but I'm not at all sorry for alerting my friends to something that should be publicly known.

Stay safe, talk soon.

P.S. this letter was sent to someone within the Australian Justice System.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Bulger

http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/Perth-accused-not-Bulger-killer-police/2006/06/28/1151174247528.html

What he has done is extremely savage and i do believe that a life imprisonment teamed with rehabilitation is the only sentence this fella is worthy of.

I believe that most criminals have a chance of rehabilitation and it is society’s obligation to at least give them a fighting chance to set them up to lead a successful life as a member of that society upon their release.

However, I find it quite disturbing that most if not all of you condone violence as listed above or would encourage it.

In a perfect world, prisoners wouldn’t treat each other like that. Regrettably, we live in the real world, where people do sick and horrible things too each other. It is common knowledge if you harm/touch/fiddle a kid and get sent to prison for it … you’ll get some prisoner loving.

As such, if you don’t want to get gang raped, stabbed, abused or such because you’re a child molesting, raping, murderer … don’t f***ing molest, rape or murder children. It’s pretty simple.

I don’t condone it, I think it is ironic fate.

I think its kind of sick to wish those thing upon a person no matter what they have done. If you wish those things upon him are you really any better than him?

Are you f***ing right? Is someone who thinks that kidnaps a child, then rapes and murders that child is on the same level as someone who hopes they get their just deserves in prison. You’re delusional!

The guy went out, kidnapped a little girl, raped her and then murdered her. That’s a whole heap f***ing worse than saying what is waiting for him in prison and not feeling sorry for him.

Prisoners still have rights and i hope he is protected from any violence that may come his way.

He didn’t give a f*** about her rights as he violently penetrated and strangled an 8-year-old girl to death but you want us to care about his rights? f*** him and frankly f*** you too.

He gave up his rights our society gives, the moment kidnapped, raped and murdered that little girl; the moment he became a monster.


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Come off it. Care to misjudge me anymore?

You had no problems alluding that I was no better than a child rapist/murder. Suck it up.

I don't condone prisoners whaling on each other in prison, but I understand

Prolly the perpetrators of sexual violence toward children are weak physically and mentally, that's why they'd get picked on (dog eats dog) rather than any moral problem with the nature of the crime

that said - if this dude is found mentally ill or something, does he actually set foot in jail?

Tanaka Khan you are a moron. Your insight into the workings of justice are idiotic. What ever this guy has supposedly done he deserves to have his case heard. Failure to appreciate that is one of the first steps to Tyranny.

PornoPete, first of all, if you read everything I posted (which echo's almost every one else in this thread so don't start singling me out as the only raving madman) I stated that if/when he is found to be guilty. Once the legal system (if it doesn't f*** up) finds the guilty party to this crime, then string the mother f***er up. I'm not talking about lynching this guy they have in custody until he's been found guilty.

He was born into this society as human - not animal - and he will continue to be one till the day he dies.

He should be incarcerated for life.

Velvet, have you ever been to a zoo? Animals are kept behind bars, fed at set times of the day, paraded around. You state that he isn't an animal in one sentence yet condem him to live like one in the next. I think you should have a think about what you mean. While we're at it, what happens to animals (dogs etc) that attack and harm people? They are put down, which is what should happen to this guy (if found guilty). You blather on about this guys rights, so what about this young girls rights to grow up, her rights to have a life with her family and friends. I guess her rights didn't come into your equation then??

We all have to go through s*** - doesn't mean you have to start hating the world just cause things aren't peachy 24/7

Trust me, I know things aren't peachy in the world, but while you're locked away in your ivory tower safe from the world spouting your inane bulls*** message, myself and everyone else are out there living it.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Bulger

http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/Perth-accused-not-Bulger-killer-police/2006/06/28/1151174247528.html

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i'm not sure it completely rules it out spook, but it's highly unlikely.

there should be an article on snopes for this.

news on sunrise this morning said coppers had released a statement saying it wasnt venerables or thomson

Hi all,

While I agree wholeheartedly with most of what has been said above, I think there is a fundamental point that everyone overlooks.

I have a two and a half year old son, who is not unlike Jamie Bulger was in age when he was abducted and murdered in the UK. This happened back in my late teens and I remember seeing it on the news and not being particularly swayed by it... in fact it wasn't until I had my own children, and the case was brought to mind by an email that hit my inbox, that I really thought about it.

I know that my son, and indeed all kids, who are toddlers are generally scared when they are alone in an unfamiliar place, and will cling to anything or anyone who is familiar, even slightly. In the Jamie Bulger case this is what ultimately lead to his death. One of the murderers actually admitted that they had tried to "ditch" Jamie after beating him with rocks and generally torturing him, but he (as most toddlers would) cried, because he was in a strange place and the only persons even vaguely familiar (the two murderers - as strange as it may be, even though they had tortured him, Jamie still wanted to stay with them rather than be alone - another characteristic typical of toddlers) were trying to leave him there. He cried and screamed, which apparently was the reason they came back and committed the murder.

Now, can you imagine how terrifying this entire experience must have been for the boy?

The point I am trying to make (very longwinded I know) is that its fine and well to cry out "what about the victim's families?" "what about the rights of the offender?" etc etc... but one thing people very rarely consider, and something that you should always take a moment to think about is: "what about the victim? How much did they suffer?" before you pass judgement on how the offender should be punished.

In my opinion, the JB killers should have been hung, and undoubtedly the same goes for the killer in this case.

but while you're locked away in your ivory tower safe from the world spouting your inane bulls*** message, myself and everyone else are out there living it.

What ever you say.

if this dude is found mentally ill or something, does he actually set foot in jail?

I am not a lawyer, but … He’ll only miss prison if the insanity is one that leads him to not being able to understand the difference between right and wrong. If he’s just not all there, which he clearly isn’t, then it’s rapetown for him.

Of course State psychiatric wards for the criminally insane aren’t very fun places too live either. Depending on the population density, they can be worse.

If the guy really is insane and couldn’t understand the difference between right and wrong, then he doesn’t deserve to be put into general population of a high security prison. He should be put in a place where he can be as beneficial too society as he can, while protecting society.

He can be one of those guys who walk around in circles to spin the bakery display cases.

I was thinking; if he doesn’t know the difference between right and wrong he could be a political advisor.

If the guy really is insane and couldn’t understand the difference between right and wrong, then he doesn’t deserve to be put into general population of a high security prison.

If he is, he shouldn't have been allowed out into society unsupervised in the first place.

hence why i said discuss if true or not :)

Why is that we are taught prevention is better than cure with physical diseases? Yet we don't have the same thinking with mental disorders. Because last time I checked cancer,heart disease and things like that don't go attacking & killing 8 year old girls in shopping centres.

I love it when people preface things with "I'm not a Lawyer" or "I'm no expert"...

It rocks.

i tend to think lock em up insane or not. anyone who doesn't know right from wrong probably still won't know the difference even when bad things are happening to them for a change :)

I love it when people preface things with "I'm not a Lawyer" or "I'm no expert"...

I'm no serial killer, but...

i'M NO MURDERED 9 Y.O. BUT...

I hope bubba rips him a new one in his cell every morning and every night until he ends it himself.

the girl was 8. duhh...

Maybe he's taking into consideration the ~ 9 months of gestation.

That s*** is just messed up, i got an 8yr old cousin and if some sick bastard did that to her, id probably need restraints

Do what the chows do..

1. Get him to dig a big pit.
2. Then have him kneel down in front of it with a sign on his back that says 'evil, child-molesting, murdering c***.'
3. Shoot him in the back of the head with a handgun.
4. Watch the corpse of an evil child killer fall into the pit.
5. Fill in pit.
6. Send a bill for the bullet to the murderers parents.

^ above plan needs more stone throwing ^

Schoolchildren Lay Flowers For Sofia

PERTH schoolchildren cried and hugged each other today as they left flowers where an eight-year-old girl was killed.

Well that's one way to make a toilet smell nice.

when ever i hear s*** like this on the news i always feel a bit better knowing that when the guys in prison find out what he did, they will beat him nearly to death

He was born into this society as human - not animal - and he will continue to be one till the day he dies.

Born as a human, transformed into an animal.

How could you not say what was done was primitive, animalistic... No wait, even beyond that because I can't think of too many animals that rape and their kill cubs etc. of their own kind.

I say feed him to the new lioness overlords.

No wait, even beyond that because I can't think of too many animals that rape and their kill cubs etc. of their own kind.

Lots of male dominated animals do when the young/cub isn't their own.

Who is more retarded loki ? or the person who tries to converse with him ?

Actually we're all born animals, then socialised and domesticated.

Who is more retarded loki ? or the person who tries to converse with him ?

loki is

*yawn*

loki is

yawn

thats some f***ed up s*** right there