Came in an email today. But it was semi interesting.

http://obes.ausgamers.com/Planets1.jpg

http://obes.ausgamers.com/Planets2.jpg

http://obes.ausgamers.com/Planets3.jpg

http://obes.ausgamers.com/Planets4.jpg

http://obes.ausgamers.com/Planets5.jpg

Big!!!

Antares is only 1 pixel wide compared to my balls

Not getting enough sex?

how small is uranus obes?
LOLOLOLOL
YSWIDT

awesome

good post

wow. and where is this antares located?

i didnt know that venus is almost the same size as earth. thought it was small like mercury.

quick google search reveals:
http://www.kidsastronomy.com/images/antares.gif
http://fjt.webmasters.gr.jp/hogehoge/ares-antares.png

it's that big star in scorpio

How the hell is Sirius that big considering it's a white star!? If that's so, can you imagine how big it must have been as a red star? It would have made Antares look tiny.

sirius is tiny compared to antares? you mean rigel?

heh antares is 400 light years from earth. is it possible for stars this big to have planets around them?

Yes, but where does the Xbox fit into all of this?

last edited by Hashy at 15:44:00 08/Jun/06

lol

Woah man kind is so insignificant in comparision.

nice pix :D these sorta images are so much better for getting the proportions right in yur head than just diameters.

How the hell is Sirius that big considering it's a white star!? If that's so, can you imagine how big it must have been as a red star? It would have made Antares look tiny.

sirius is a white dwarf main sequence star it has never been a red star... that will happen near the end of it's life... antares is a red giant so has passed main sequence & its core is contracting while it's outer layers expand.

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heh antares is 400 light years from earth. is it possible for stars this big to have planets around them?

it's possible... but there would definitely be no life. as a red giant it's bloated outer layers would have consumed any inner planets like earth, mars, venus & mercury .. & it would have superheated the outher planets.





last edited by demon at 15:54:40 08/Jun/06

Don't worry, give us a few hundred years and we will work out a way to blow all that s*** up and make it our bitch ... should we choose to do so.

Space is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly hugely mindboggingly big it is. I mean you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to space...



I miss GumbyNoTalent :(

sirius is a white dwarf main sequence star it has never been a red star... that will happen near the end of it's life... antares is a red giant so has passed main sequence & its core is contracting while it's outer layers expand.

I know that, that's my point. When Sirius dies, it will expand to a red star of massive size - however I can only consider that because it's so large as a white dwarf, it'll be even larger than Antares when it becomes a red giant.

Holy shiit...God must have been one busy motherf***er making those big bastards. (At least a months work even with overtime on penalty rates)

:P

This doesn't put things into perspective at all

here ya go jim... this should clear it up :)

http://dem0n.qgl.org/images/temp/perspective.jpg

;D

hahahaha

haha

Demon I love your moving gifs. But your comic timing is impeccable :P

Antares FTW

LOL demon

holy crap.

good post obes

Space is big. Really big.

f*** me, really? Thanks for clearing that up, Ace.

uranus is bigger omglol

Jim, Check your glasses ...

Now get distance into perspective: if you reduced the size of the earth to a pea pluto would be 2.5kms away and about the size of a bacterium.

Also, the average distance between stars is 30 million million kilometers. (not a typo).

So yes, space is kinda big.

nah it fits in a marble

yeah, big ... now let's use some figures. we talk in light years, for the newbs, that's how fast light travels in a year. light speed is 299,792,458 metres per second or 299,792 kilometres per second. so for a light year

299,792 x 60 seconds = 17,987,520 km per minute
17,987,520 x 60 minutes = 1,079,251,200 km per hour
1,079,251,200 x 24 hours = 25,902,028,800 km per day
25,902,028,800 x 365 days = 9,454,240,512,000 km per year

you can type in "light year =" in google to get a more exact figure

but anyway, our own galaxy (the milkyway) is about 110,000 light years across from memory, that's 1,039,966,456,320,000,000 km across ... and there are billions of galaxies.

yeah the universe is big ...
i trust i didn't make a mistake above demon?

I'll just use this pop-up-book or snowglobe to destroy the universe!
Afterall, it's just a snowglobe inside another snowglobe...
<3 Earthworm Jim.

Now get distance into perspective: if you reduced the size of the earth to a pea pluto would be 2.5kms away and about the size of a bacterium.

How big do you think bacteria are exactly? pluto is 2300 kilometres in diameter, earth is like 12000.

How big do you think bacteria are exactly?

really really big. like in that movie evolution.

Don't get picky.

That's what the book said, aight?

that's awesome

s*** is big

I havent had sex in a long time so my balls look like Uranus and Neptune in that 2nd pic.

http://concyted.ausgamers.com/whitewolf/xboxishuge.jpg

nice try

you fail

You try

Nice fail

Space is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly hugely mindboggingly big it is. I mean you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to space...

Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, right?

yeah that's where it's from

Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, right?

zing! 10 points for you! :)

O Lord, ooh you are so big

so absolutely huge

gosh, we're all really impressed down here, I can tell you

i trust i didn't make a mistake above demon?

/me stares at the big numbers :P looks good to me ! :P

Don't get picky.

That's what the book said, aight?

that's a big ask on this forum fella ;p~

if the earth was as big as a pea... let's say a big 12mm diameter pea for the sake of an easy scaling factor (1,000,000,000:1). that would make pluto 2.3mm in diameter so it'd be a lot bigger than bacteria. pluto averages 6billion kilometres from earth (although due to pluto's highly eccentric orbit & the differnence in distance between our closest & fartherest approach this can be as much as 8billion kilometres) so at that scaling factor it would be between 6 & 8 kilometres away.
at any rate... obes's pics show the scale of pluto to earth pretty good... to get a good perspective of the distances between objects in space I recommend a free program called Celestia. install it, run it, goto flle menu, open script, open the demo script... enjoy. :D

the nearest galaxy (andromeda) is approx. 2,400,000 light years away!

thats 22,705,268,160,000,000,000,000 kms OMG :O :O

You'd wanna take a packed lunch on a trip to that one.

there's no way that anyone on any planet or alien race could ever ever ever ever ever ever get anyway towards going to any other galaxy at all ever ever. Ever! To get there in a year u'd have to go 2.4 million times the speed of light

unless ur Azguard or something

there's no way that anyone on any planet or alien race could ever ever ever ever ever ever get anyway towards going to any other galaxy at all ever ever. Ever! To get there in a year u'd have to go 2.4 million times the speed of light

Stargate

there's no way that anyone on any planet or alien race could ever ever ever ever ever ever get anyway towards going to any other galaxy at all ever ever. Ever! To get there in a year u'd have to go 2.4 million times the speed of light

We have a relatively short lifespan, definately not one that is plausible to space exploration.
Should we figure out how to live forever; I'd be all for dumping this s***hole and going exploring, the universe is big enough that I dont think you'd 'see it all' too soon.
Just take a biiig spaceship with lotsa people to also keep you company between the long trips.

Wait, that sounds pretty cool compared to our inconsequential pleb of a drone life now.
f*** working.
Adventure, Aliens, Molten Lava and Strange Planets with Apes!

last edited by Loki at 13:43:04 09/Jun/06

Those were some astonishing images. Thank you Obes.

from futurama

yes intergalactic travel is impossible at the speed of light.

Thats why scientists increased the speed of light.

Heh, its pretty funny how at every point in history people think they know everything. People "knew" the world was flat, people "knew" man would never fly, people "knew" a lunar landing was impossible. I don't think it's possible to say that man will never be able to travel to other galaxies. Maybe not in our lifetime but it's pretty stupid to rule it out.

^ sounds emo

O WAIT NO REALLY WAY TO GET THE REFERENCE THERE CAPTAIN s***FORBRAINS

the real definition of emo is Greazy's messages in my PM box.

That celestia thing was pretty cool,but the controls sucked wang.

last edited by Loki at 14:58:17 09/Jun/06

Wait wait wait. So the moon isn't made of cheese?

Hey diddle diddle
The cat and the fiddle,
The cow jumped over the moon!

The little dog laughed to see such fun,
And the dish ran away with the spoon.

I don't think you're taking this forum seriously boogie mama.

Just keeping things in perspective Chakas.

Ok, I'll definitely pay that.

Just keeping things in perspective Chakas.

Dont make me go A_W on you.

Dont make me go A_W on you.

"So will you dance to this beat...

Let's get these teen hearts beating faster and faster!!"

there's no way that anyone on any planet or alien race could ever ever ever ever ever ever get anyway towards going to any other galaxy at all ever ever. Ever! To get there in a year u'd have to go 2.4 million times the speed of light

Stargate

Well here's assuming that our earth scientists are mostly correct, including good ol' Einstein. Unless you're in 'hyperspace', which is the name for some sort of parallel dimension in which normal theories of relativity etc don't exist or don't really apply, its said that as an object tends toward the speed of light, time starts to slow down and that it would start to go backwards above the speed of light. Now I myself don't really get why time would slow down relatively for the object. I'd say that you'd start catching up with the light that was emitted in the direction that you are travelling thus allowing you see back in time. And i guess the only other ways of travelling extremely vast distances, such as intergalactic distances, was if there were wormholes around the place, or if Stargate was real and an Azguard ship was coming to pick you up, because you need either infinite acceleration and finite time or inifite time and finite acceleration to reach s.o.l, at least in theory.

last edited by thre3dee at 16:38:30 09/Jun/06

How the hell can I argue with that logic?










Captain America would be well advised to put a NSFW note on his link.

I'm gunna puke :(

It saddens that a thread about space ends up with asian chicks rubbing s*** on eachother.

last edited by mission at 16:41:37 09/Jun/06

the nearest galaxy (andromeda) is approx. 2,400,000 light years away!

thats 22,705,268,160,000,000,000,000 kms OMG :O :O

getting less every second though! :P the andromeda galaxy is moving towards us! at a rate estimated to be ~300kilometres per second!! so in about 3,002,460,916,909 years (give or take a few million coz i haven't factored our galaxies movement towards andromeda ;) it'll smack into the milky way & rip it apart like... erm... a galaxy hitting another galaxy!
nice timing i reckon... by then our sun will be all spluttery & getting ready to bloat up! the remnants of the human race (if they still exist) can jump ship as it passes through!
also... it looks purdy.

http://www.seds.org/Messier/Jpg/m31.jpg

& check todays apod for a very nice pic of the andromeda galaxy in infra-red... orrrjeh. :D


[edit] sure interstellar or even intergalactic travel might become viable in the distant future but i am afraid, like dice, i think that it is highly unlikely. :( even if someone discovered a way to break the physical speed limit of light or discovered some way of folding space/time or a similar science fiction concept... where would we go?
everywhere observed in space is hostile to us except earth... the chances of finding another planet in the 'sweet spot' for life before we actually leave earth is well... astronomical :P~

last edited by demon at 17:01:21 09/Jun/06

speaking of 'aliens', this is cool

http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/science/06/02/red.rain/index.html

fred hoyle's panspermia! :D

einstein's and the other scientists' mistakes seem to lie in treating time as an actual entity

books > movies

Anyone who didn't get the reference isn't dumb, just uncultured :)

Also Obes, those planet pictures need more sparkle :P

Agree with Caffeinebear :).

Also...

Stargate

That show was awesome!!

I havent had sex in a long time so my balls look like Uranus and Neptune in that 2nd pic.

lucky, cos i'd be worried if they looked like arcturus and the sun in the 4th pic.

That show was is awesome!!

fixed

great work everybody
i roffled and i learnt something

ASGARD

ffs its aSgard

Even the dumb ass americans don't use a z in asgard

/end rant

everywhere observed in space is hostile to us except earth... the chances of finding another planet in the 'sweet spot' for life before we actually leave earth is well... astronomical :P~

How can you possibly say that? I remember watching a space docco once in which some scientist made the comparison that there are as many suns in the universe as there are grains of sand on any given beach. So, with that many suns and most likely at least that many planets you'd have to think there are lots of others just like earth, surely? In that same docco I also recall them panning outwards away from earth until the milky way (with it's billions of stars) became just a spec. They kept panning back until we entered another galaxy with another few billion stars until that was a spec along with the other galaxies nearby, and so on and so on. In other words the universe is figging amazingly big with lots of damn stars!

Also, doesn't time slow down the faster you travel? So, even if we couldn't get to the speed of light as long as we could travel damn fast (and find some way of going into some sort of stasis to pass the time) we would actually live longer than our current average lifespans. Therefore, we'd have a few more years to be able to travel those few hundred million light years :)

If the universe is infinite in size, then wouldn't that there are an infinite number of possibilities that other life will find us!?

...In other words the universe is figging amazingly big with lots of damn stars!

And how long would it take to search all those stars even if it took you 1 second to search each of them? A daaaaaamn long time.

Also, doesn't time slow down the faster you travel? So, even if we couldn't get to the speed of light as long as we could travel damn fast (and find some way of going into some sort of stasis to pass the time) we would actually live longer than our current average lifespans.

No you would still live the same amount of time, its just thatif you returned to where you came from everyone you knew would be long dead.

The Fermi Paradox is a great little brain worker on the problem of ETs:

The size and age of the universe suggest that many technologically advanced extraterrestrial civilizations ought to exist. However, this belief seems logically inconsistent with the lack of observational evidence to support it.

Either the initial assumption is incorrect and technologically advanced intelligent life is much rarer than believed, current observations are incomplete and human beings have not detected other civilizations yet, or search methodologies are flawed and incorrect indicators are being sought.

In QGL-speak:

The Universe is so damn big (and OLD!) that intelligent and technologically advanced life should be relatively common.

Where the f*** are they then?

More likely they are forbidden to contact us openly until we "mature" more

Unless, the way the universe is, it's impossible to have technology that can do much more than what we've got.

Unless, the way the universe is, it's impossible to have technology that can do much more than what we've got.

Wouldn't that be a depressing thought! To think that in the tiny space of time that we've been thinking about this stuff, that we had reached the limit of what the universe had to offer.

Dark matter. Black holes. Wormholes. So much that we really don't understand that we're only now starting to conceive of!

Powered, heavier-than-air flight was considered a ludicrous impossiblilty only a very few generations ago. There are people alive today who can recall when a "computer" meant someone who added stuff up for mathematicians and acoc***ants!

We're stumped at how we're going to cross space at the moment, but its just another hill for us to climb. So long as we don't f*** our civlisation up, I think we'll get there one day :)

Inter-stellar travel is already a possibility, and has been so for a few decades.

Not at the level of fast rounds trips or anything but a craft capable of ~10% of the speed of light could be built, and might already have been built if not for the whole de-militarisation of space thing and the 1963 atmospheric nuclear test ban.

Obviously you'd still be looking at quite a few years of travel, but not centuries or anything for the nearest stars. All you need then is some form of suspended animation :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Orion_%28spacecraft_propulsion%29

Also, people who're questioning why we haven't seen evidence of extra terrestrial intelligence:

Obviously there's the big obstacle of space's general huge-ness. There's lot of space for a civilisation to arise in. But there's also a lot of time for a civilisation to appear, flourish (or not) then disappear. All of human history has occupied an insignificant period of time (looking at the big picture here), and we've already devised a few means of wiping oursleves out. Add to that the possibility of destruction by natural phenomena (large meteorite impacts etc).

So I guess you need either one or more very old space-faring civilisations to go around looking for developing species, or you need two or more civilisations to arise in the same general vicinity, at roughly the same time, and not wipe themselves out.

Personally I'm on the side of extra-terrestrial life (and likely intelligence) being a near certainty, but who's to say we'll ever extablish contact?

Given the size of a galaxy, with their billions or even trillions of stars and possibly thousand or millions of planets, its reasonable to assume it would take even an advanced alien race a VERY, VERY long time to search every one for life.

i hate the planet of the moochers

they take you out for a drink but when the check comes, their wallet's always in their other pants

which they borrowed from me

Heh that's a good point SSM. I suppose they could have wiped themselves out and thus we haven't seen them.

Does anyone know if SETI and similar programs are actually look for regular light emissions or is it just sound? I mean if it's just sound we're listening for, it's going to take a damn long time for that sound to arrive on our shores.

Crunch they monitor promising bands on the EM spectrum.

Radio waves (AFAIK) have the best properties for long range transmission (they suffer the least attenuation when passing through gas and dust etc) and are thus what you'd expect anybody attempting to contact a distant civilisation to use.

They don't look for "sound" per se (who's to say other organisms communicate that way?), just artificial looking signals, paricularly from likely looking parts of the sky (say, around nearby stars and distant galaxies) and particularly on frequncies that might be significant to all technologically advanced civilisations.

Example, in "Contact" (not just the blah movie, it was first a book by Carl Sagan) a transmission is recieved on the value of hydrogen multiplied by Pi.

Also sound requires a medium to transmit its "waves" so the void of space in most places (non nebulae and atmospheres) wouldn't have the physical matter to make sound waves travel in.

Radio waves and "odd looking" light signatures would definately be the best way of us with our current levels of technology to search for iregularities due to the speed and consistancy of transfer much as SSM has said.

Whos to say though that advanced civilisations don't use different means of communication such as tachyons which we are currently experimenting with capturing and measuring and travel at faster than light speeds.

Mostly they still remain in the realms of theoretical science to us just now but who knows, give a civilization enough time and a great many things we do not yet grasp are possible.

Back in the early 1800's scientists of the time thought that to make a vehicle that would travel beyond 35mph would tear our fragile bodies to pieces, in hindsight we definately know they were incorrect these days as common knowledge but back then...

Three sites to have a look at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachyons
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/ParticleAndNuclear/tachyons.html
http://physics.gmu.edu/~e-physics/bob/tachyons.htm

Jeez, that's some light reading right there!!

Not to rain on the parade or anything but how _the_ _fucckk_ do they come up with figures like these

but anyway, our own galaxy (the milkyway) is about 110,000 light years across from memory, that's 1,039,966,456,320,000,000 km across ... and there are billions of galaxies.

Using the limited to measure the unlimited is useless...

Wow Tollazor, that was a really crappy attempt at being deep :)

http://www.myastrologybook.com/MilkyWayCOBE50q.jpg
linkies
How did we take a photo of our own galaxy?!?!

aSguard

Oh and i've never seen 'asguard' spelt out so shoot me.

because we sent out some of our alien friends to do it for us man, its all a big conspiracy. far out dude. im like trippin out here man

*dons tinfoil suit*

How did we take a photo of our own galaxy?!?!

I think the more important question is how did you not read the first line from your link?

that second pic on your link thre3dee makes me feel sick for some reason


it looks a bit like sick too

its asgard

speaking of crazy size, check out apod today:
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html

Galaxy NGC 5866 lies about 44 million light years distant toward the constellation of the Dragon (Draco).

44 million light years = 415,986,582,528,000,000,000 kms

how do you write that exactly?

Galaxy NGC 5866 lies about four hundred and fifteen quintillion, nine hundred and eighty-six quadrillion, five hundred and eighty-two trillion, five hudnred and twenty-eight billion kilometres distant toward the constellation of the Dragon (Draco).

cool. u can see another galaxy behind it at the top left.

its asgard

ravn0s wins the spelling bee - I'm not going to mention the missing apostrophe tho cause I'm in a good mood!

Wikipedia says there's no apostrophe in Asgard.

I don't like thinking about space. it makes life feel so pitiful and pointless.. not that it isnt, but you just keep trying to hide that thought to live your life :)

Wikipedia says there's no apostrophe in Asgard.

i think hes referring to the missing apostrophe for it's

last edited by ravn0s at 23:22:33 12/Jun/06

^ doubt it, otherwise he would have spelt "though" and "because" correctly so he wouldn't seem like a hypocrite, maybe he's just thinking of "Goa'uld"

omg do any of you realise the moon landings are FAKED?!?!?!?!!!!

^zomg no!

some nutter on the newsgroups posted this

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5184557664134487848&q=hufschmid

it's footage that apparently catches armstrong etc in the act of pretending they're much farther from earth than they actually were

gold

in any case it doesn't prove all the moon landings were faked but it's an interesting watch

How can you possibly say that? I remember watching a space docco once in which some scientist made the comparison that there are as many suns in the universe as there are grains of sand on any given beach. So, with that many suns and most likely at least that many planets you'd have to think there are lots of others just like earth, surely?

SUre, there are probably gazillions of earth like planets out there... but my point was... how would we find them before leaving earth? ie: with a telescope? at the moment there is a method for astronomers to detect planets in orbit around other stars but they can only use it to detect planets of jupiters mass or bigger & the star can't be too far away. you'd want to be damn sure you knew exactly where you were going before you set out i reckon ;]

Using the limited to measure the unlimited is useless...

you mean like the way we measure time!? :P

I don't like thinking about space. it makes life feel so pitiful and pointless.. not that it isnt, but you just keep trying to hide that thought to live your life :)

it really doesn't bother me at all :D so what if we are all inconsequencial in the grand scope of the universe... i still have no problems enjoying my time & havin' a larf or two. :D

I reckon the vastness and blackness of space is sorta spooky in a different sense. I remember sitting on a bench at night on some headlands with my dad some years ago, and starring into space was sorta like, "wow what could be out there"... Yeah thats my d&m for this thread :P

If you're down for some Space D&M, take some recreational drugs and watch a man skydive from space to the tunes of Dayvan Cowboy.