For the Linux users, Fedora 5 has been released:

New desktop applications, advances in security, better localization tools, improved software installation and management facilities and strong Java integration help to make Fedora Core 5 the most innovative Linux distribution ever.

There is a release summary with more information.

And kudos to files.bigpond for having a mirror so fast ;)

Yes, they ARE stunningly handsome

I would've said efficient not handsome, except for that jim guy, he's just so like you know.. OMG! just SOOOOOOOO cute

i think the question on everyone's lips is, is it on Pipe

i think the question on everyone's lips is, is it on Pipe

Not really, I doubt most people here have unmetered PIPE access.

Not really, I doubt most people here have unmetered PIPE access.

/me hugs old iinet pipe free plan.

/me hugs old iinet pipe free plan.

/The_rest_of_the_world hugs faster speeds =)

why didnt they put the faster plans on pipe, tightarses

yeah free pipe access works better for us

why didnt they put the faster plans on pipe, tightarses

Think about it for a second.

If they did that, people could download 86GB a day on a 10Mbps connection and the ISP's costs would skyrocket (they still pay Telstra). People saturating iiNet's network would cause your connection would come to a crawl. You'd start whinging about how your ISP can't handle the load.

Quota goes up as time goes on. Things improve.

Summary: I blame Telstra for making ISPs jump through hoops to set up a decent network.

last edited by parabol at 22:52:57 21/Mar/06

they still pay telstra for megabytes that go thru pipe's peering dealie and not through telstra?

I effectively have 100Mb unlimited access to the Pipe network at work... not that I actually use it. Our connection to Pipe as far as I'm aware has absolutely nothing to do with Telstra, Pipe have a peering point at the same location we have some of our equipment so we just pay them a flat fee every month to be plugged into their network and we can do as much data across that connection as we like. btw i work for a ISP and it's not iinet, though my home connection is iinet :)


last edited by Nailbomb at 23:13:29 21/Mar/06

they still pay telstra for megabytes that go thru pipe's peering dealie and not through telstra?

Yeah backhaul costs thanks to Telstra, despite the PIPE link being an unmetered, flat-fee setup.

using this heap of crap in itb721.

after installing crap off 5 cds, when i go install more stuff, it downloads it? is there some stupid option to install off the cds or is it extra stuff not provided on cds.

linux has miles to go if it wants to be a decent commetitor in the desktop market against microsoft.

i still cant get over the 5 cds to install

linux has miles to go if it wants to be a decent commetitor in the desktop market against microsoft

I have 2 main points:

1. Who says Linux wants to be a desktop competitor?

You're speaking as if there is a single entity/company creating, controlling and pushing the entire operating system to directly compete with Windows on the desktop level. Sure the underlying kernel is guided by primarily one person, but most of the system is the work of a large community. Some members very well want a Windows replacement, while others have other goals.

2. Your complaint has nothing to do with Linux itself.

The Fedora developers decided how their own distribution would manage packages installation. It's a Fedora specific issue. Other distributions behave differently. Ubuntu is hailed as one of the most user-friendly. Imagine if 3rd parties modified and repackaged Windows XP and you didn't like the new customised layout. Would you blame Microsoft for the problem?

Disclaimer: I am no fan of Fedora or Redhat. In fact I dislike their modifications and patches and many other aspects and hence I use other distributions. I merely dislike it when people think that Linux is trying to be something that it's not or lump one distribution as "Linux". I'm not having a go at you .. just stating some facts.

i still cant get over the 5 cds to install

Again, this is Fedora-specific. Slackware is 2 CDs. You can even get fully functional desktop distributions that can fit on a small flash drive. You can get server images that can fit on a floppy disk.

Just because Fedora is s*** doesn't mean all of the distributions are :)


last edited by parabol at 22:46:06 22/Mar/06

yeah thats cool, i didnt mean to braodband all linux distros as s*** just because fedora is.

Ubuntu has been suggested by some friends, but we dont exactly get a choice at uni, they dictate we use fedora.

it just really pissed me off after installing the heap of s***, that when i wanted to install something else it had to download it. That plus other minor annoyances which i incurred.

just out of a matter of interest, what disto do you use parabol?

Nightstalker..... http://www.ubuntu.com/......love it :P

last edited by Eds at 23:40:42 22/Mar/06

just out of a matter of interest, what disto do you use parabol?

Well, I started off with Redhat. The first version I actually got working on my machine was RH7.1. I had heaps of problems, even with the next few versions. I couldn't compile newer kernels, heaps of stuff broke.

Moved to Slackware, and although it required more manual installation of programs and was more difficult to use, all of my problems went away. I realised that all of my rage against "linux" was actually just a Redhat thing.

After gaining more experience I'm now using Gentoo. It's time consuming and a little painful to set up, but probably one of the easiest distros to actually maintain and keep up to date. Dead easy! You pretty much never have to format and reinstall.

So yeah, if you want well-documented distros to get working, try Slackware or Gentoo. Slackware because it's one of the least modified distros and the most generic .. meaning the most generic HOWTOs will get you going. Gentoo because it has a massive community around it and a very easy, but powerful package management system.

last edited by parabol at 00:11:16 23/Mar/06