I thought he'd disappeared :o

Please disregard this thread if you have no interest in watching fights. Boxing, UFC, Pride, whatever.

For those of you who are unfamiliar with 'Kimbo', he's a f***ing hardnut underground boxer in the U.S. gaining alot of popularity and support since his first fight was spread across the interwebs a few years ago.

A recent vid of one of his recent fights was just released. f*** he owns.

Apparently he's gonna turn pro soon (heavyweight boxing), so watch out for this gorrilla of a dude.

:D

"Sorry, the video you requested is no longer in our database."

fixed :)

He seems like a good natural fighter, but he's fighting bums.

Methinks he'd get stiched big time by quality heavyweight boxers.

p.s his posse is a bunch of c*********s, and that rimmed watch is the dumbest thing ive ever seen.

did u see him taking those hits to the face on purpose in the first fight?

He's not a bad boxer, and definitly has potential. He IS getting a bit old though. He gasses easily.

He fought Sean Gannon and was kicking a fair bit of ass until he gassed out. Sean took advantage and won the fight.

He's only really fought stand up matches so he'd go there. I doubt he'd go fat in MMA.

Sean later went to fight at the UFC and got dominated. Sean had previously been a pro boxer and kimbo game give him a run for the money.

Btw, there is the post-kimbo-fight fight of 2 other guys "thunking" it out too.

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Disappointing. This negro does not have s*** on Lenny Mclean. Read Lenny Mclean's book, it tells the story of how he was flown to america to fight the mafia's number one bare knuckle fighter. He was 6'8 and black as the ace of spades. Lenny destroyed him in three minutes. Lenny Mclean was never beaten.

'I look like what I am, a hard bastard!'

That's how a nigga eats.

link 2 lenny mclean?

That's how a nigga eats.

f*** THAT NIGGA LETS RUN THIS


all day

http://users.bigpond.net.au/llama/bread.jpg

it tells the story of how he was flown to america to fight the mafia's number one bare knuckle fighter. He was 6'8 and black as the ace of spades.

Wow a "Tough guy" writes about a totally unverifiable fight and throws in some nice buzzwords, thats great.

p.s. Has anyone seen bloodsport, that was based on a true story you know!! None of these c***s are a patch on frank dux.

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Has anyone seen bloodsport, that was based on a true story you know!! None of these c***s are a patch on frank dux.

Just bought that the other day, some of the acting is cheesy but its a classic none the less.

Morgan, you cant just say that s*** without throwing some links down.
same witchu Two&Eight.

Kimbo, Lenny Mclean, Sean, frank dux, ...

These people have nothing, NOTHING on the one true fighter...

CHUCK NORRIS'S ROUND HOUSE KICK!

im not sure any videos of Lenny Mclean would exist on the internet, he died in 1998 and didnt fight after 92 so he was kinda pre-internet-era, but heres a bit about him

World Heavyweight Bare-knuckle Champion (undefeated in 3,000 fights)
In 1992 McLean was arrested for assault and was cleared of a manslaughter charge after the man he had ejected from the Hippodrome died of his injuries
Lock stock and two smoking barrels is dedicated to him - he even played the part of barry the baptist

theres a couple of news articles about him on a website dedicated to him - www.lennymclean.co.uk

Yea as far as mma goes, kimbo would get cained. But as a boxer, I would love to see how he fares against the best - especially if he got uuber fit endurance-wise. That's what a heavyweight champ should look like. f***ing animal.

But on the tangent of mma fighting, I've been watching a bit of Pride lately thanks to my mate who fights in Spartan. I'm suprised at how much I enjoy watching the s***. Just the dedication these guys put into their sport is incredible. Just can't tear my eyes away.... there is some strange satisfaction watching...

Check this guy out: Fedor Emelianenko. Current Pride Heavyweight Champion. These guys clown all over the UFC fighters, so this fella is quite simply the best fighter in the world. Straight up. The amount of power he can throw into his ground punches is lunacy.
Well worth a watch.

If you like that bloke, also check out Wanderlei Silva - AWESOME highlight clip - world pride champ in the weight level below Fedor. He's gotta be, for me, the most intense fighter of any style I've ever seen. Wouldn't beat Fedor, but he does fight some bouts in the highest division despite his weight disadvantage.

Videos exist of Lenny Mcleans fights.

Go to ebay.co.uk, look under lenny mclean. there's a 11 disc set showing 11 or so of lenny's fights, unlicensed boxing documentaries etc. i havent seen it yet but ive been meaning to for a while. He was the hardest bastard.

Also Bah, you should've at least googled lenny mclean before denouncing him as a liar.

did u see him taking those hits to the face on purpose in the first fight?

He's on PCP.

Kimbo will never make it big time. He lost to a fighter named Sean Gannon, a washed up ex-MMA/UFC fighter. Gannon is/was mainly a disable/judo fighter yet Kimbo lost to him even after KImbo was like "no kicking, no grappling" etc. Gannon just outlasted him in a pure boxing match. Hell, Kimbo even broke his own rule and tried to kick him and still lost.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejL8RIgdM7o&search=kimbo

Hahaha just watched the Kimbo/Gammon fight. Kimbo will never get anywhere in professional boxing. Just think of Lennox Lewis or Tyson, now think of Kimbo. It would be a trainwreck. Stick to fighting bums for 100's Kimbo.

Kimbo can also be found at a certain VIP website (can't link it due to the website's adult content).

bah that was bulls***.
he hasn't trained at muay thai or submissions or any mixed martial arts, so of course he's gonna cop it from someone exploiting that... But he's not intending to fight in Pride or UFC or the likes... just boxing... so an mma fighter, who would have otherwise been a challenging enough opponent with only boxing rules allowed (as gannon seemed to be), being able to beat kimbo using chokes and leg blows is to be expected. it's not impressive at all really.
If you can match someone blow for blow, but you can also grapple/force submissions/kick/knee well, and your opponent can't, you'd be pretty f***ing ashamed of your mma skills if you couldn't win the fight...

Gannon just outlasted him in a pure boxing match

bulls***!
Gannon started choking kimbo right near the start of the fight! - it seemed gannon wouldn't have stopped getting hit otherwise. you wouldn't see that in boxing! It'd get broken immediately. That is what seemed to exhaust kimbo the most... tired him out and stopped him landing blows to the head that WERE connecting (as seen by gannons face) for enough time for gannon to regain himself. Cheap.

Then gannon choked kimbo a second time when he was getting in a bit of trouble again. You can then noticably see how much energy it took out of kimbo being held in that headlock. Then he was just far too spent to fight properly after that.

The knee, as filthy as it was, was not the cause for kimbo losing, he'd already lost. The knee just highlighted the illegitimacy of any 'win' gannon would try to claim outta that. You simply can't be an mma fighter, beat someone who can only box and call it a fair fight. why, that would just be lame.
So it certainly wasn't any boxing match he lost....there was no 'boxing' match.

Subsequently, it is also unfair to say that kimbo doesn't have enough endurance to box on a world level based on that vid. I'd like to see how long other heavyweight boxing champs could 'box' for after THEY had been choked for ages. It's obvious that being choked for ages would impair your immediate performance. And as there's no way to gauge how long he 'would' have lasted, had he not been choked, it's not even worth speculating. Point is, you can only make judgement of his 'overall' boxing ability/potential, if you witnessed a 'boxing' match.
Straight up - in that fight he had his ability to box impaired by moves that wouldn't even pose a possibility of impairing him in a proffesional boxing match.

I'd love to see a rematch - strictly boxing rules so they're on a level playing field. Kimbo would win.

I don't think Kimbo is all that great personally. He sure can pack a punch but, with heavy weight fighters they all can throw massive king hit. The supposed "fighters" he faught with those vids were amatures at best even less than amatures really, just some doodes who reckon they could fight.

This was pretty much proven in the Kimbo vs Gammon vid. Even with Gammon being old and looked "out of shaped", he still out lasted, out boxed Kimbo. Sure he kneed Kimbo a couple of times towards the end but, the fight (if you could call it that - WTF with all the bulls*** entourage crowding over them?!) was pretty much over by then really.

Now Fedor Emelianenko and Wanderlei Silva on the other hands..... are scary motherf***ers.

Then gannon choked kimbo a second time when he was getting in a bit of trouble again. You can then noticably see how much energy it took out of kimbo being held in that headlock. Then he was just far too spent to fight properly after that.

I can see where he puts him in choke holds but Kimbo wasn't exactly fighting clean either. I think it would be better if they were to fight in a proper ring & gloves with proper ref. Cause all of these fights are like bar brawl.... hard to gauge the skill levels really, too many dirty tactics.

Like I said Kimbo could sure pack a punch. Though Tyson, when at his best is also a scary mother. Kimbo turning pros? Probably needs more disciplines :)

I just read your posts, Opec, then I re-read mine. I think you've changed my mind a bit. You're right - the two other fights than gannon's were against very sub-par fighters. I didn't really think about how bad they would get obliterated by world contenders.... I just had an immediate, but really unfounded, respect for him after I saw the first one for the first time.

Obviously I still maintain the position that kimbo would beat gannon in a 'fair' fight - but you're right - gannon isn't mike tyson, he would still get torn to pieces by alot of people, both in boxing and any mma style. So I guess kimbo is really yet to prove anything significant enough to demand so much respect.

It's probably just because he looks so f***ing hard. It's what everyone wants a world champ to look like, lol.

It will still be fun to see if he can get anywhere worth mentioning in boxing, but I do hear what you're saying - he isn't all that yet, even if he had of beaten gannon.

p.s. I think I also have an imediate bias against gannon because I hate him when I'm Link.

Also, so you watched that highlight clip?! How f***ing intense is Wanderlei Silva! f***ing barbaric instinct. I watched him beat 2 UFC reigning champions. Absolutely clowned on both of em.

Wanderlei and Fedor both kick some serious ass. I think Andrei Alovski might give fedor a bit of a run. I'd still bet on Fedor.

Apparently, In the gannon vs kimbo fight the rules that were negotiated was no ground stuff, which is pretty vague. Kimbo breaks the "boxing" rule anyway by shooting for a single leg pretty early in the fight. Team 305 are dick heads. They don't mind kimbo doing that s*** but when sean does it, its the end of the world. I respect both of these fighters and any one with enough balls to fight bareknuckle. Kimbo is a great sport as you can see in that video. The other dude looked like he was fighting more with his hair though. Kimbo looked in much better shape in this video.

Kimbo is now training at a gym in america.

The post fight fight: http://www.mma.tv/tuf/index.cfm?FID=1&a=48&TID=0

You can see the dude kimbo KTFO in tha back ground.

Bargain, Who's your mate that fights in spartan? do you go to any local MMA events?

http://static.flickr.com/50/108887639_b5d384fc76.jpg?v=0

his name is Slade Wormington. He fought in spartan 7 and spartan 9. won both times.

pic of his knockout blow in spartan 7
http://images.ausimages.com/upload/2006-03-09/004.jpg

I too think that this Kimbo would get taken apart pretty quickly by a good professional fighter.

Ok that guy has shoddy footwork. Also in a real pro boxing ring your opponents wont spend half the fight with their guard down as the fix their hair.

Kimbo has place in MMA, he would not stand a chance. As for Andrei giving Fedor a run for his money that just makes me laugh. The UFC heavy weight division is awful, that's why they bought back the lightweights. Pride and K1 are the only MMA organisations that have really good heavy weights. Watch Fedor v Nogueira in shockwave 2004 to see what a awesome fighter he is.

Just on the Kimbo Gannon, the only rules were that there was no ground fighting. Standing chokes were not disallowed, Kimbos team started crying about it. Boxing is not real fighting, MMA is much closer.

Boxing is not real fighting

Let me know when you announce to Mike Tyson that he isn't a real fighter.


I will bring a bag for your ear.

Or a baby so you could eat it

Michael Tyson, not Jackson. :)

Boxing is NOT real fighting, you try and box a wrestler and see how you go. Not saying boxers aren't good, you missed my point. Boxing is a one dimensional fight sport, when you start adding Kicks and takedowns your whole distance changes. Boxing requires you to be close to your opponent, and that opens you up for takedowns. Like I said I aint bagging boxing, it is very hard art to master. I have been doing it for 3 years along with Kickboxing and wrestling. The best fighters in the world are grapplers and wrestlers. There is a difference between boxing and fighting, boxing is a SPORT. It is not perfect, there is no perfect fighting style.

Michael Tyson, not Jackson. :)

I know, I was referring to his particular quote:

On Lennox Lewis

"Lennox Lewis, I'm coming for you man. My style is impetuous. My defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious. I want your heart. I want to eat his children. Praise be to Allah!"

Boxing is NOT real fighting

I think you mean boxing is a different form of fighting, probably not as brutal as some other forms of hand to hand combat, but it's still fighting.

you try and box a wrestler and see how you go

Why would I box a wrestler? I think it is you who have missed the point. By saying boxing is not fighting, you are making a qualitative statement about the sport of boxing in relation to other forms of what you consider fighting to be.

Last time I checked, two guys (or gals) in a ring punching each other in the head was called a fight. Ergo boxing is fighting.

TKO'd.

You have obvisouly not seen much MMA if you say "why would I box a wrestler". Go and watch some, I aint picking on boxing or cant you understand that. What I am saying is that boxing is not true fighing, no rules is true fighting. And MMA has rules as well but nowhere near as many, even Don King is starting his own MMA company. Simply because he can see what MMA has shown the combat sports world. It will be king of these sports in the next few years. Once I AINT BAGGING BOXING it is awesome.

Think of it this way, out on the street, if some one comes at you are you going to box or are you going to hit, kick, grapple and basically do anything you can to drop him? That’s what I think DirtyApe might be getting at. MMA would be more realistically used by a normal person than what Boxing would be.

Spot on dude.

Semantics.

I suppose it depends on how you define 'fighting'.
A fight on the street isn't the same as any fight that has a competitive element.
Fighting as you define it doesn't apply then to any organised martial arts/hand to hand competition. I think what you mean, and correct me if I wrong, is that boxing is not TRUE fighting, in the sense that there are rules etc in boxing, and that it doesn't necessarily come down to who is the better fighter overall, but who is the better fighter given the parameters set by the contest rules. This is true of any organised 'fight', be it MMA, boxing, wrestling or whatever.
So yes I agree that boxing isn't fighting in the sense that it is limited by strict rules, whereas TRUE fighting, as you have pointed out, is no holds barred.
I could say the say of any 'sport' though. For example, the javelin is not TRUE spear throwing, because I am not aiming at a kangaroo and I am not relying on my skills to get me food i.e. I do not have the pure intended outcome of survival. Likewise, the object of boxing is to score points, not necessarily to make sure you are not beaten to death.

So in conclusion, I agree with you, that it is not TRUE fighting in the sense you have described, but I would argue that it is still fighting in a refined sense.

And if you want to go on with it fella, let's just go outside and settle this like men... with gloves and a ref and ropes to fall against and rules about not hitting me in the gonads.

Anyone here watch the contender? most enjoyable boxing I've seen in a while... prolly cos its only 5 rounds and they only show highlights :p

Anyone know the name of a russian fighter, I think he is from pride, he looks like he is in s*** shape and doesnt even look like he gives a f*** before a fight. he has these tattoos showing his real rough upbringing. He totally f***s people up though. Anyone have a clue what I'm talking about? :S

Aleksander Emelianenko

haha oic. so they're related huh?
Is he really as good as I think?

Those 2 brothers are the most dangerous pair I have ever seen in my life. Considering alex spent 5 years or so in a russian jail, not a man to piss off that is for sure. Rumor has it Pride wants them too fight, they have fought before but only in a Sambo competition.

Western boxing is the most usefull style to be proficient in when it comes to a streetfight. Thats from Geoff Thompson. Kicking anywhere higher then the knee/bollocks and grappling/groundfighting have no place in a streetfight.

Take Fedor, now take Mike Tyson. Put them in the street with no rules, couple of mates around each and they go at it. Tyson would kill him.

I love the way MA threads degenerate into a train wreck of stupid hypothesizations.

p.s. you're all backpunched.

Dude I think you could be selling Fedor a bit short there. I highly doubt he would be killed, its a fight anything can happen. Why did Mike pull out of fighting in K1 then if he is such a killer.

Yes I'm a personal friend of Mike Tyson's and have a full list of bullet points for you of why he never fought in K1.

There is a difference in the quality of training done for MMA etc and that of a pro boxer. Boxers focus on footwork, punching and stamina. And while Fedor's footwork is excellent, he's not quite Hollyfield is he? Also Fedor's physique isn't exactly optimal.... And put those little MMA gloves on a pro boxer....

Also Bah, Geoff Thompson is one of the most respected streetfighters and martial artists (yes he studdies and loves martial arts but still indicates boxing is supreme) in the world. But I'm sure you're more then qualified enough to label his oppion as 'stupid'.

Its the internet, i can call whatever the f*** I like stupid, and reread my post for what i called stupid.

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Ahhh my bad. I am sorry Bah, will you forgive me? If you overheard two people discussing who, in their oppinion, would beat who in a fight, would you shake your head and ignore them, because hypothoses are below you? Or would you take time out to tell them that their conversation is stupid? You wasted a post in the first place, you did it soley to antagonise people. You are, by my definition, a prick.

No offence to your "friend" but as a boxer he is well and truly washed up. He is just a freak show, he will never make it back to the top. In his day he was awesome, and no one is doubting the validity of boxing. Take a pill and chill, all I know is that boxing as the number one combat sport is under threat. MMA is growing dude, some people just cant handle it.

Dude I think you misread that line, it was sarcasm :-)

And I know Tyson is a has-been. He hasn't been in good fighting form for years. And I'm not denying that the MMA is a highly watchable and extremely entertaining combat sport. I'd love to see a crossover though, just to put an end to the wondering. Boxing chamion vs. MMA champion. s*** I'd pay to see that.

You and me both dude, i love fighting of all kinds. Makes me go a big wobbly one, the problem is contracts. I have no doubt most boxers would knock MMA champs out in boxing matches. But add knees, legs and takedowns makes it a different story. There will never be a cross over, both sides have to much to lose.

IMO Fedor would not just cain Tyson in his prime if they fought in the street, he would utterly destroy him.

Fedor is just like nothing I've seen before.

u e-pussies. Why don't u guys step in the ring and sort it out :P

Hey dirty do yourself a favour and google ramon dekker only westener to ever take out champions trophy in Thailand.Now this lad can fight

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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5897520039219166927&q=ramon+dekker

!!!

I'm just posting again to reaffirm my disbelief of what a doubly hard bastard that ramon guy is. f***ing hell. Just..... f***.

no no no you've all got it ALL wrong http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/brawl-that-sparked-a-race-riot/2006/03/10/1141701677371.html

the best way to fight is to get a car, fill it up with lebo's, now drive to an area or predominately white people, spot some poor c*** walking on the street by himself at night, get out, stomp the living s*** out of his head, stab him in the back twice and steal his money and phone.

better yet, get 29 of your mates, goto cronulla SLSC, spot 3 aussies, kick the living s*** out of them.

you at least want to maintain a 5:1 ratio when fighting but 10:1 is optimal to ensure you win. also stabbing people in the back is a nice finisher, because they wont get up after that. also throw in a few racial slurs like 'aussie pig' or 'skip' just for good measure.

now thats how you fight. kimbo wouldnt stand a chance.

ramon dekker

That guy really is the white ninja.

Yeah Tyson would rock in a streetfight... unless he broke his hand on the first punch he threw, which he did. Well i guess he "won" though, couldnt fight for months but at least he "won".

Yes Bah, that occasionally happens in a streetfight. Bones break. Lenny Mclean said that nearly every single knuckle was broken in nearly every single bare knuckle fight he had. Are you aware that bone is there to protect your vital organs? It's quite hard. Are you aware that knuckles and wrists are joints? When all the force of a punch is condensed into 2-4 knuckles and a wrist, they break. But hey! Tyson must be a faerie! If my favorite footballer broke his legs, I'd still expect him to play or I'd demand my knickle back!

Tyson must be a faerie!

Or maybe, just maybe he trains for a ring environment and his skills do not translate 100% to the street, and when he throws a punch without taping his hands up and huge boxing gloves his hands break.

When all the force of a punch is condensed into 2-4 knuckles and a wrist, they break.

If only there were other weapons on your body to use!
He doesnt condition his hands or train to use other weapons because in his chosen sport of boxing he doesnt have to!

If my favorite footballer broke his legs,

Well if this was street football he wouldnt have much choice but to continue playing.

Give up son. Kinda pathetic. Despite describing the experiences of Lenny Mclean, arguably the hardest man who ever lived, you still think your oppinion of 'knuckles and wrists are unbreakable IF YOU ALWAYS FOUGHT WITHOUT TAPING THEM!!'

As for 'other weapons' on your body to use in a streetfight, you can kick, but even martial arts experts aren't game to throw anything above a groin high kick in a streetfight. You can bite and eye gouge i suppose. But grappling and submission techniques are pointless. I've never seen it used on the street in my life, and if someone tried, then the mates would get in stomping the f*** out of both of them.

You have never been in a streetfight have you Bah? The most effective way of ending a fight is a punch. It takes the least amount of time to throw.

Also, if it was 'street football', no he wouldnt have a choice. When Tyson broke his hand, if the guy was still fighting (which I sincerely doubt) he would've broken the other hand on him. Adrenalin is an anaesthetic (sic), he wouldn't have realised until afterwards. Besides you used the comparison of 'he didn't fight again for months', assuming you meant professionally. I don't think Tyson gets many people stupid enough to try him in the street.

sometimes i throw punches on the internet and my keyboard never breaks

keyboard warrior ftw

I don't think Tyson gets many people stupid enough to try him in the street.

I don't know, there are bound to be a number of people out there stupid/high/drunk enough to probably try just that. The Fresh Prince tried it, but failed, but he still tried, even wrote a song about it!

your oppinion of 'knuckles and wrists are unbreakable

Thanks for telling me what my opinion was, i was a little confused of it.

My original opinion was about "stupid hypothesizations" re emelianenko vs tyson, you really havent said anything to change my mind about that.

above a groin high kick in a streetfight.

And? did i say something about kicking high?

you can bite and eye gouge i suppose

Elbows, knees, headbutts.. all nice to use in boxing range if a boxer finds himself falling into an old habit of a clinch, which is good in the ring, but stupid on the street if you dont know what to do there.
Palms are also nice, but you lose a bit of range and it doesnt feel as natural as a punch.
Nothing too fancy there, but its extra options that an MMAer would have over a pure boxer.

But grappling and submission techniques are pointless

grappling can have some quick arm breaks etc, but yes going to the ground is a recipe for boot to the head.

You have never been in a streetfight have you Bah?

I'm with persay on this one, strictly e-fighting.

Lenny Mclean, arguably the hardest man who ever lived,

Why dont you marry him then?

I sawa boxing match with lenny Mclean, he sucked, tyson would have destroyed him in the ring.. but on the street who knows. http://media.putfile.com/McLeanvShaw2 http://media.putfile.com/McLeanvShaw3

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For anybody is keen, there are fights Saturday 25th March at the Gold Coast. It is the Spartan competition, my mate is fighting. Tickets start at like $55 or something like that, it's not A grade but pretty good none the less. I think its the Southport Sharks, but don't take my word on it.

[quote]all nice to use in boxing range if a boxer finds himself falling into an old habit of a clinch[/quote]

Are you insane? Nobody, and I mean nobody would go into a clinch in a streetfight. It is not an 'old habit' or any such bollocks, it's a tactic only. Usually used when a boxer is stalling for time.

Thankyou very much for those two video's of Lenny though Bah, I haven't been able to find them anywhere. Also, that guy he was fighting, that's Roy Shaw. Do a little research and you'll know that everyone in London was scared of that geezer.

Lenny bashed up half the bouncers in London when he was sixteen. He annihalted 18, that's not an exageration, 18 lairy drunk bastards outside a pub sobre. He was not charged with that offense because the police did not believe that the judge would believe one man bashed up 18 people.

He's been shot and knifed, both in his back.

He beat the american mafia's top streetfighter, with gloves on in 3 minutes.

He beat 8 gypsies in bareknuckle fights in one day.

With over 3000 fights in his life and no losses, as a moddest man I would not feel comfortable saying anyone would annihalate him in or out of the ring.

*Edit*

If you listen closely two mcleanvshaw2, you'll hear the commentator say 'Shaw could've been a boxing champion according to experts'.

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