yep i quit WoW but now i find my self with nothing to do, CS:S and RTCW:ET are good for a bash but after a few hours neeed to do something else.

what do you guys find your selfs doing? i have gone through my collection of over 50gig of porn already. i find my self wanteing to re-install WoW and go back to playing...going out at 9pm but thats a long way from now..any ideas on what i can do untill then?

grab a dictionary and have a flick through...

i would reccommend starting with the letter 'q'

yep i quit WoW

Thank f*** for that!

Now you can live like a normal human being.

Respect.

hehehe never knew the dictionary was so useful :)

You won't find the same unfulfilling, low-payoff time-sink of an experience in another other form of digital media than in your typical MMORPG. Go back to WoW, you need it, you've can't spend so long killing your sense of "leisure" and suddenly quit cold turkey. Alternatively you could take up a job picking up coke cans, walking to SA and collecting the 5c refunds - it's not as grizzly or boring as WoW and the reward is a bit stronger than you've been used to but you might find it easier if you ease yourself out of the MMORPG experience.

Bout bloody time,

Start playing some real PC games that take advantage of your powerful system, not sissy games like wow

So many haters, hows that bandwagon doing boys?

just live man, LIVE

So many haters, hows that bandwagon doing boys?

We find our bank accounts have $20 more than yours per month.

So yeah, pretty good deal right there.

I have been wasting my time making DVD's. Installed Ulead recently and put all my family movies on cool dvd's with menu's and chapters.

Other than that - Nothing :(

Alternatively you could take up a job picking up coke cans, walking to SA and collecting the 5c refunds - it's not as grizzly or boring as WoW and the reward is a bit stronger

Woah, that doesn't sound better than WoW, that is the Perfect analogy for WoW!

The collecting cans and walk to SA is the boring grind to level 60, and when you get there - you get s*** all reward and left wondering what else there is to do, aside from getting 40 people together and going on a giant coke can pickup.

lol loki its not that bad, once you hit 60 if you have a decnet guild you get to do MC, ZG, Onyxia and others and get quite alot of pvp...but i have to admit i got so borde of MC and ZG and the lag makes PvP impossible in AV i usually get 2k+ms.


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We find our bank accounts have $20 more than yours per month.

So yeah, pretty good deal right there.

Amazing, I am truly envious.

get a 4wd, go camping, see some nice sights away from city crap

get a 4wd, go camping, see some nice sights away from city crap

Jim speaks wisdom

although Jim is very gay he does speak truth

WTB cheap WoW account.

liberace had nuthin on me

i always thought u were better than wow nigs

Yer I once thought that too.
But griefing people got the best of me. :(

Take up exercise and put on those kilos you lost while playing.

hehehe i have been going to the gym for about 2 months..but im trying to put wait on :) so far im loving it

scrawny pasty nerd

lol. 40 man can-collection.

I can pick up cans with my big daggers el oh el

http://images.ausimages.com/upload/2006-02-17/spetecharscreen.jpg


I have also quit >.<

yea i quit 6 months ago.
amazing how quickly the feeling comes back in legs and ass

8/8 giantstalker. rok and lok delar. ony necklace.

play time just expired. no idea if Ill bother re-activate... heres hoping I dont. (i guess)

Evis is a MMORP whore.

/shrug

I play WoW, maybe 10-15 hours a week. I go out, I work long hours, and have a family. I do nine holes of golf at minimum a week - if there is a game that sucks your life up and turns you into an obsessed maniac its golf :p

I also have 2 level 60 characters on Proudmoore.

Is it really so hard to juggle WoW and a real life for other people?

Hogfather you have 2 level 60s but are they in a guild? and do you do MC, ZG, AQ or AV? if you do you will know that MC takes most of the day, ZG isnt that long but still takes up atleast 3~4 hours, problly more i haven't done a full ZG run..also it isnt easy when the rest of the guild is in the U.S or canada.

so yea it is hard to juggle everything

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Is it really so hard to juggle WoW and a real life for other people?

WoW is purely a black-hole. From what I see, you don't actually gain any skills from playing.

Almost any good first-person shooter can improve your reflexes, your hand-eye coordination (without becoming a click-fest), and your ability to form useful strategies by placing you in a world that is modelled [to various extents] after the real world. Although they are still unrealistic [by real-life standards] and wouldn't make you a soldier, if I had to pick one out of two geeks to place in the army and train, I'd pick the one who played a FPS over the one who didn't. At the very least he'd have some form of survival instinct, even if he happened to suck at holding a gun in real-life.

Now to WoW. You learn how to fight fairy-tale monsters in a fairy-tale world and buy/use fairy-tale weapons and items. You can level without needing any skill. In the end, you as a person are down a few points. You may have reached level 60, but imagine what could have been done if you instead put the time into something else. Perhaps taken a course in a foreign language, some form of martial arts. Anything really. No really ... anything would have been better.

As much as I also think Jim and 4WDs are gay (a valid bandwagon), I'd rather buy and drive a 4WD and invest in Microsoft, than play WoW.

DISCLAIMER: The point my posts is to help prevent unsuspecting innocents from thinking QGL is a WoW forum, by showing some sort of resistance.

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Keep on playing CSS. I started playing when I quit WoW and it sucks to begin with but gets better after WoW withdrawals stop (give it a couple months).

Tufnut,

Sure the internet is great for a number of things...BUT FOR U, I think it's time for a break!!!

So first of all, get off the computer.

Have a think about some sports you might be interested in doing. Running, swimming, hockey, basketball, football, soccer, archery...WHATEVER!!

Join a gym. Take classes a couple of times a week.

Call a friend. Go see a movie. Go go-karting. Play a game of tennis. If u don't know how to play tennis, learn.

Read a new book.

Learn to cook. If u already can cook, try and cook something new and different.

Go out and socialise - pubs, clubs, etc. Meet some new ppl.

Get a pet.

Anyway...just some suggestions. If u get stuck for ideas and none of these appeal to u...call your mum??





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Can i call her?

Hogfather you have 2 level 60s but are they in a guild? and do you do MC, ZG, AQ or AV? if you do you will know that MC takes most of the day, ZG isnt that long but still takes up atleast 3~4 hours, problly more i haven't done a full ZG run..also it isnt easy when the rest of the guild is in the U.S or canada.

Yeh Southern Wardens on Proudmoore - we're looking for a few more players btw :p

We are in a regular MC / Ony alliance for a while yet with another Aussie guild, recently killed rags. We do AQ20 now (pretty badly haha although we will kill Rajaxx next time we go I reckon) and once a week run the easier bosses in ZG. We're by no stretch a raid guild.

If you are available to play, you play. I walked out on a AQ run on Friday night because we had family come around to visit out of nowhere - my main is a priest and losing me hurt the raid a bit but nobody gave me grief. RL first.

I won't join a US guild because I would have to play at stupid hours to play with the guild. I don't mind yanks but I don't love them enough to raid at 3am or some s*** like that.

People who get black holed in MMOs do it to themselves. I did it once in EQ and won't be doing it again. Responsible consupmtion of MMO!

Some people just play WoW obsessively.
/looks at Kim

Also, gaining usable RL skills from playing FPS games?
Who are you? FPS Doug?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA.

What in the f*** parabol, your entire post was f***ing retarded.

Siff quit wow. Everything in mooderation. I play about 4 hours a day but also play football and go to gym. just do something to break up your wow time.

What in the f*** parabol, your entire post was f***ing retarded.

As an ex-WoWer who just posted a very silly screenshot, you're in no position to tell me what's retarded.

Also, gaining usable RL skills from playing FPS games?

I'd even go as far as saying that a horribly lame and kid-infested online experience in CS would be more useful to you than WoW could ever be.

Well, have fun guys. Thanks for being occupied and staying off the FPS servers that I casually play on =)

You learn how to fight fairy-tale monsters in a fairy-tale world and buy/use fairy-tale weapons and items.

So what do you call the monsters you fight in Doom 3, and what are the weapons you use??
People play these games to escape reality, to take a break from the drudgery that can be their lives.

The point my posts is to help prevent unsuspecting innocents from thinking QGL is a WoW forum

Last time I looked this was a GAMERS forum, and WoW falls under that catagory a hell of a lot more than talking about if its natural having hair of the shaft of your penis! (sorry Ryan)

So what do you call the monsters you fight in Doom 3, and what are the weapons you use??

Yes, the monsters are pure fiction (I don't believe in Hell). The weapons could well be real at some point in the future. Other than that, Mars exists, there is a very high chance we'll colonise it or at least set up a base there. The level architecture is based on sci-fi predictions/extrapolations. So at least the game has a 'real' foundation to build from .. not pure fairy fantasy through and through.

Oh, and that's ignoring the fact that I don't put hours into Doom3 continuously day after day, month after month.

People play these games to escape reality, to take a break from the drudgery that can be their lives.

The problem is when people get obsessed and find this other 'reality' to replace their own.

Please stick to news.com.au topics. Thank you :)

/quit thread

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get a 4wd, go camping, see some nice sights away from city crap

Jim wins.

As an ex-WoWer who just posted a very silly screenshot, you're in no position to tell me what's retarded.

Nice argument you retarded retard.

f*** wow is a retarded game. go play some racing sims or flight sims or something thats half realistic and educational.
I feel sorry for you putz's that pay to play.

I'm sorry parabol but your argument is rather one sided, you said the monsters in WoW are "fairy-tale monsters" yet it's ok to be fighting demons and stuff in Doom 3 because one day we may colonise it? Thats BS!. What about FEAR, fighting ghosts in a FPS, or PAINKILLER? All the opponants in these games are mythical too.

The weapons could well be real at some point in the future.

Yet swords DO exist, Bows and guns DO exist (yet agreed the magical properties in WoW don't). I find the "weaponry" in WoW a hell of a lot more realistic than Doom 3.

So at least the game has a 'real' foundation to build from

I feel too that historical aspects of our society can be used too as the foundation with which WoW has been built on aswell. At least history has happened, where as "sci-fi predictions" are just that, predictions!

^ Just shut the f*** up, stop justifying everything.

You're both gay and both your arguments are completely spastic built on foundations of retardedness in a black hole of stupid.

---

As for OP -- Take up a hobby of some description ,or just generally stop playing -any- games for awhile, then get back into it.
Or try a different style of game you don't usually play (RTS/PUZZLE/ADVENTURE etc.)

erm parabol & TK you're both retarded twats.

And if playing WoW makes people happy then who really gives a s***. I bet the people playing wow are having more fun than the people posting some of the extremely homosexual angst filled anti-wow posts i've read so far.

I bet the people playing wow are having more fun than the people posting some of the extremely homosexual angst filled anti-wow posts i've read so far.

Yeah, they only just need to grind another 10000 bat ears and they can have fun showing off their mild necklace upgrade to all their e-friends, before descending into another grind.

^

didn't you have a 60 warlock or something? hypocrite++

Do the happily married "trip". Get a boring job, wife, kids, mortgage, expensive car, and don't forget to get a righteous attitude that your way of life is THE BEST AND ONLY WAY TO LIVE.

Or get into drugs, cause drugs are f***en fun pal. I've been thinkin about getting into drugs myself.

One word, porn, and I don't mean yeah woo lets watch some porn, I mean get into porn in a massive way. I'm talking hours and hours a day. Set a record, then try and beat it. Beat it, get it, hahaha Maybe get a heart monitor too, nothing would be worse than beating yourself to death.

Or maybe call up all those friends you used to have before you got heavily into WoW? If never had any, make some new ones. Lots of lonely people out there.

Make a rock band. Sex, and drugs, and rock'n'roll.

^

didn't you have a 60 warlock or something? hypocrite++

56 warlock, 60 warrior. I had some lvl60 epic gear! Am I cool yet? Love me.

f*** wow is a retarded game. go play some racing sims or flight sims or something thats half realistic and educational.
I feel sorry for you putz's that pay to play.

lol I feel sorry for the people for whom the amount of money it costs to play an mmo is actually worth worrying over.

A computer game is a computer game be it an mmorpg or an fps. None are very productive but a way to pass some time or get some enjoyment like any sport or activity.

The only problem I see with mmo's is the amount of time you have to spend to be competitive or get anywhere in the game, Im just glad WoW's endgame was s*** enough for me not to want to play it anymore, and spend my free time on things I get more enjoyment out of now, but each to their own.

56 warlock, 60 warrior. I had some lvl60 epic gear! Am I cool yet? Love me.

you missed the point, again. you're telling everyone how s*** and boring wow is and how stupid you'd have to be to play it, but why did you put so much time into it if you hated it so much? your posts make you sound so pathetic and bitter.

also you twat i'm not saying wow isn't a time sink or stupid or anything, but if people genuinely enjoy playing it then who gives a s***.

I am pathetic and bitter.

but if people genuinely enjoy playing it then who gives a s***.

There really isn't anything enjoyable about it past the level 60 line (or at least, past getting your basic UBRS-level blues and playing around in the level 60 BGs for a bit, maybe raiding MC once or twice and realising raiding is just another form of grind - the same you fought to get past from level 1-60, but slower and far less enjoyable). At all. Seriously. It doesn't take a genius to realise that once you free yourself of "social" ties and your character investment and step back and take a look at it.

The game is 90% work, 5% e-peen and 5% actual fun shared with your guild and friends, and I can say that because I've experienced it. I'm probably a f*** about it for the same reason ex-smokers or ex-alcoholics or born-again christians are about their respective subjects, but I couldn't tell you why that is.

Also, f*** you.

I had a lot of fun.

Till I started the raiding game, that instantly killed it for me. If found MC to be the most boring experience in the game yet. I shouldn't have to f***ing schedule my life around my guild's raiding hours.

And so I wait till they add more casual content... which probably will be till the expansion comes out.

There really isn't anything enjoyable about it past the level 60 line..

You've completely missed the point again and proceeded to bulls*** on about yourself, again. Ok, you don't find it enjoyable. That's fine. But there are people out there who genuinely enjoy wow. And they have fun playing it.

What you're saying is: "I didn't have fun playing wow after spending lots of time playing it - therefore noone can have fun playing wow." That's stupid, self-centred and just plain wrong.

edit: but meh, enough of this anyways

edit2: haha, holy crap you have some angst. maybe it ate all your free time but most people I know can show a little restraint. you need to settle down guy, it's just a computer game.

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And if playing WoW makes people happy then who really gives a s***.

I rat will continously push a button that is hooked up to its reward centers in its brian untill it dies..

I'm not sure where I was going with that :/

You have to remember too that WoW is still "new" when compared to other online games and has yet to have it's first real expansion (not looking at the 9 patches we have had so far that have added new content). I remember back in my EQ days they were churning out an expansion every 6 or so months, so I'm willing to wait for Blizzard and their expansions and see how it turns out. Not to mention Blizzard are specifically looking at end game stuff, as well as more content for the casual gamer who doesn't have the time to live in MC every weekend.

What you're saying is: "I didn't have fun playing wow after spending lots of time playing it - therefore noone can have fun playing wow." That's stupid, self-centred and just plain wrong.

YES, this is exactly what I'm saying.

No-one really enjoys it, 100 hours killing the same mobs with the same character over and over and over and over (and over). It's nice to think you enjoy it, because it sucks you in and strips away all your free time so you don't have to buy any other games or rent movies and you can chat up the cute-sounding irish girl in your guild over voice-comm and as long as you're sucked in by all of this every little step feels like an accomplishment. I'd bet the house than in 5 years most now ex-wow players will shake their heads in embarassment at the mention of their level 60 night-elf hunter in full giantstalkers. WoW is engineered not to be a game beyond a certain point, but a hook. The geniuses of Blizzard tapped into the "alone together" principle in the article I linked earlier and--Oh s***, I'm missing your point, never mind.

You know? Some people might legitly enjoy it, even when wise to what kind of an addiction Blizzard engineered the game to be, but their time is better spent working assembly lines.

I'm really just a fool with an audience.

Edit:

haha, holy crap you have some angst. maybe it ate all your free time but most people I know can show a little restraint. you need to settle down guy, it's just a computer game.

Most people I know, don't. I found it impossible to enjoy the game anyway without playing it alot, that's pretty much the idea. When I first realised the game was becoming "work" and I was putting waaaay too much time into it, I tried to cut down on the time but I soon learned it wasn't possible to operate in a high-end guild (who was still struggling with some of the content) without huge time investments, so if I was to play "casually" (even with 5 hours set aside some days for raids) then raiding was out.

This is me, mind you, but it's been the same with everyone I know and I don't see how anyone could get around this. Whatever you've heard about people playing "casually" and raiding MC, BWL, ZG, and soon two AQ instances is probably a sham.

Rerolling aside, you're left with two ways to play the end-game and advance your character, PvP honor grinding or reputation grinding. Both are grinds, both lack most of the social aspect most people find so appealing about the game, and only one of them can be seriously done without playing a hell of a f***ing lot and that's reputation grinding. What's left is boring as sin, with very very limited reward and options for character advancement.

I should mention even if you don't wanna rank highly and just participate in PvP, you'll probably end up waiting in roughly hour-long queues only to get stomped on for 10 minutes by people decked in tier2 purples and rank13/14 gear.

So that leaves rerolling if you want to play on a casual level, right? God speed to anyone who wants to do that more than once.

Just a computer game?

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I plan on giving up WoW probably the end of next month, we'll see how uni goes. So eagerly awaiting Spore and Supreme Commander to replace it.

I play WoW every now and then. usually for about the first 10-15 levels of a character. The game really starts to be much less of a game around that point and I lose interest.
I seem to be somewhat immune to the trappings of a MMO game.

I'd be interested to hear if anyone's had an experiences with true "casual" WoW guilds, where someone who only gets to raid once in a blue moon and only logs on for maybe 5-6 hours a week otherwise can be accepted, allowed raid spots, get a fair shot at loot etc and where the whole thing didn't become a gigantic competition of who can log in the most and show the guild they're worthy. I hunted for ages on my server for a guild that would offer this and my original guild (the one I was in when I was forced to quit) was probably the closest it got.

Also, It'd be interesting to hear how many hours a week people in true raiding guilds (Rag weekly, most of BWL completed as of a couple of months ago, set for AQ, does some PVP etc) spend/spent on the game a week.

Myself? Something to the tune of 20-25 hours.

Go.

I found guilds on roleplaying servers to be fairly forgiving. I never played the game enough to do raids and whatnot so I couldnt tell you that part.

Not every one may agree with what Hashy has said, but at least he has played the game and earned the right to criticize it, unlike those others who have never played it yet think they know it all. I must admit I find some of Hashy's points quite relevant and can see where he is coming from. For me though, as I said earlier, I'm holding out to see what the expansion and up coming patches hold for me before I decide.

assuming you mean me - I've got a 60 priest decked out in t1, some t2 that I stopped playing because the guild I was in was exactly like hashy described, 20+ hours per week to avoid a gkick.

Just rerolled on jubie'thos the new oceania server with RL mates in a guild that is looking to be alot more relaxed. But if it even begins to looking like it's going to get in the way of the rest of my life, I know which one is more important. (the RL part in case that's not obvious)

good on ya, resist the tempatation to reactivate the account.

i quit last year in april, after playing through the open beta and into the real product. got a undead lvl 60 warrior in the end.

at that stage it was all about grinding, the end game sucked, and pvp was a mess.

i had urges to reactivate my account, even up to about 9 months later. thank god i have no more pain.

now i play shot online, a free online golf mmo. you can buy stuff, but they dont force you to pay monthly fees or anything. i havnt payed a cent on it.

wow is more addctive than weed.

weed isn't addictive...

didnt tufnut start this thread?

yes.

4 hours a night, 7pm-11pm. 3 nights a week, Sun, Mon, Tues. I'm sure that would be enough to clean up MC.

It is hard to play WoW casually. But I guess your problem is trying to stay competitive. Only reason you're angry is because you WANTED to be geared. There are many people getting by with the usual Blue drops from UBRS/Scholo/Strath. And are decent at PVP. It's not that hard to get rank 8 and along the way, you would have picked up Honored/Revered in both AV and AB. More pretty blues/purples for you :)

It all depends what you want out of the game, being bitter because you couldn't control yourself. Why blame the game when it's your own fault?
As for not being able to stay in a guild because lack of game time...well that guild wasn't worth your time then.

I'm sure with time you would have found a guild that suits your needs or atleast one that you have RL friend in.
Many guilds run a DKP system, so you only get out what you put in....however sometimes you get lucky and an officer decides you deserve a epic before someone else (usually because everyone else has it).

If end game content is not your thing, then why not try low level PVP 20-40.
In the end you're still playing against another real person and not a mob.

Looks like WoW is going to have a large fallout of bitter players much like CS (LOL).

When the game feels like work then it's no longer a game is it?
And if you need gold and don't have the time to grind for it. Ebay it.
Help a Chinese farmer support his kid and crack addiction. :)

Help a Chinese farmer support his kid and crack addiction. :)

So how is your kid Nigs? :P

Looks like WoW is going to have a large fallout of bitter players much like CS (LOL).

Indeed.

haha f*** you jeb.

There is no reason to "quit", moderation is the key. I dunno about your habits, but I can do WoW real hard for days at a time, then I'll back off for a while, do something else.

WoW has done some great things for me, I appreciate nature more since I tried WoW.

Wait a week or 2 then restart but this time only for fun.

I find it funny how people say moderation is the key when the only way to get past certain points in the game is to invest a lot of time, which is scheduled and generally takes up around 15-20 hours a week.

Rule number one for me and gaming: Gaming gets scheduled around real life things like girlfriend, social life and my job. It doesn't work the other way around.

didnt tufnut start this thread?

yes i did whats your point?

It is hard to play WoW casually. But I guess your problem is trying to stay competitive. Only reason you're angry is because you WANTED to be geared. There are many people getting by with the usual Blue drops from UBRS/Scholo/Strath. And are decent at PVP. It's not that hard to get rank 8 and along the way, you would have picked up Honored/Revered in both AV and AB. More pretty blues/purples for you :)

ok first WoW isn't a game you play for like 2~4 hours and get anything out of due to the fact that if your in a guild your expected to help other players with their UBRS/Scholo/Strath runs as well and that you dont always get the items you need in one run or if the item drops you have to /random it with others of your class cause they need it to, also have you ever done a 5 man LBRS, it takes atleast 4 hours(ok maybe 2)...but it feels that long anyway.

if you want to PvP you have to have the Gear if you dont have ot you get owned by people that do and to be honest just PvPing for 1 or 2 hours just isnt worth the money takeing into consideration the amount of lag you have to put up with, i dont know about you but in AV i was on 3k ms sometimes more which means i res then i die..when on the other hand you can just play CS:S(which i end up playing anyway) and RTCW:ET(i love this game).

WoW is mainly aimed at 1-people in the U.S, Canada, and China, 2-people who are willing to spend hours on end grinding, 3-people who prefur mmos over FPS and 4-people who dont care about bad customer support, lag and lack of things to do once you reach end game.

dont get me wrong WoW was fun for a while i got hocked on it but after 5 months it started turnning into a repetetive grind and starting new chars moving to new server and all the other things you do to try and bring the fun back into it just dont work. after a year of playing it beleve me when i say it just gets really old and all the people that take the GAME so seriously also get old. its not fun to play with out friends and if you have friends then your in a guild and that mean when you reach end game it becomes more like work than fun and that just sucks.

There is no reason to "quit", moderation is the key. I dunno about your habits, but I can do WoW real hard for days at a time, then I'll back off for a while, do something else.

yea i tried moderation and found it wasnt worth paying if i was only gonna play it for 2~4 hours not enough time to do anything.

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also have you ever done a 5 man LBRS, it takes atleast 4 hours(ok maybe 2)...but it feels that long anyway.

Practically everyone has to do a LBRS ATLEAST once. Got Warlords Command?
Usually you wont get all the bosses in 1 run either if you PUG it. Guild runs would be the best bet as most of them would be fairly geared. But if you're taking that long to do an instance, then you and/or your group sucks. PUGS are just bad in general. But we're all forced to be in them now and then :(

if you want to PvP you have to have the Gear if you dont have ot you get owned by people that do and to be honest just PvPing for 1 or 2 hours just isnt worth the money takeing into consideration the amount of lag you have to put up with, i dont know about you but in AV i was on 3k ms sometimes more which means i res then i die..

LoL sucks to be you. Do Alliance ever win AV? You don't NEED the gear.....
I've seen people with greens ranked 7-8. Namely Hunters though -_-.
Maybe you're just bad at the game :P

AV has aa fairly large horde imbalance... big whinges on forums about the differences in design.

I fell for WoW in a big way when I finished my last contract, to the point where I spent 3 solid weeks grinding and questing and doing all the bits and pieces .. instead of looking for a new job.

But once I had other things to occupy my spare time with I just stopped playing WoW and in Jan I cancelled the subscription.

If WoW requires no skill, why are there clear differences between awesome, good, average and s*** players?

If WoW requires no skill, why are there clear differences between awesome, good, average and s*** players?

Varying degrees of intelligence.

I guess some of the stuff I've said rang true for you guys.

Varying degrees of intelligence.

I'm not going to argue that the WoW community is filled with morons, however ...

I've seen people who are highly intelligent in real life suck at WoW, and total deads***s succed. In fact, I have seen people go from woeful to good in a few months, and they didn't get any smarter.

In fact, I have seen people go from woeful to good in a few months, and they didn't get any smarter.

Are they Palladins?

In the later stages of the game its more about teamwork and communication than intelligence.

Are they Palladins?

It makes me sad when I see Paladins consecrating ony :(

In the later stages of the game its more about teamwork and communication than intelligence.

The later stages is about following directions.

Good on anyone that quits wow its the gayest game on earth

Did you create an account just to say that mimmi?

hashy and parabol: couldn't agree more with the both of yas.
And it does need to be put so clear cut (wow drains souls). If only to perhaps help even 1 person realise how unhealthy their wow addiction is.

yea, yea, I realise there are some people who actually can enjoy, and do play very little wow, with no real desire for 'eliteness' in the game. But I think it is VERY reasonable to assume that these people would be unbelievably rare amoungst wow players. I mean, I personally know MANY MANY people who play wow (as I'm sure many of you do), and despite having different time restraints; different levels of time able to spend playing, NOT ONE of them just plays solely for petty occasional fun running around a fun magical world. That's a big enough sample size for me to arrive at my assumptions.

There seems to be plenty of people claiming moderation or casual wow playing. Once again, from all the wow players I know, MOST of them actually do claim these things to some degree, (only a few who will admit they do nothing else but play wow). But the non-wow playing people they know would all tell you that their habits are far from casual or moderate. It's scary to think what proportion of the wow community would consider themselves as playing in moderation.

So for the few rare, RARE examples of people who can play 5 or 10 hours a week, enjoy themselves, and have no desire for more and more, more power, more glory, more...... Good for them I suppose. (If you play and do have the lust for 'the ultimate setup', there's no way that having absolute rats*** gear would provide enough entertainment in the game to be able to call it 'fun')
So for the VAST, VAST remainder - those who are essentially playing for their next piece of uber gear, (as that's all there really is to get), the game IS NOT fun. They all THINK they're having fun at the time, but they are NOT. It seems that because they WANT their next piece, they LIKE getting it... But if you were to remove the 'reward' at the end of a 20 hour grind of painfully rare drop mobs, and I doubt you'd see many people bustin out the gring for the fun of it.

Everything you are required to do in the game to improve your character is straight up NOT FUN. If the reward was removed, it is clear to see.

I have 2 roommates who play wow pretty full time, and it's so annoying to see them talking about it - convincing themselves that they love it, when the only thing that is heard when they're ACTUALLY playing is screams of frustration, expressions of annoyance, and sighs of unpleasant duty and almost dread when they FORCE themselves to begin grinding for some extensive list of REQUIRED mats.

For the record, I played a rogue to lvl 56 on Blackrock in the 1st 3 months of the full version. Didn't play beta. At first it's always gonna be fun. But you soon stop caring about how cool the snow looks, and gradualy start getting pissed off at more and more aspects of the game. some people just don't realise that what they're experiencing isn't fun, but quite the opposite.

wow drains souls.

bargain phrased it way more concisely than I've ever cared to (lol hashy is angsty about wow), but is spot on.

and it's so annoying to see them talking about it - convincing themselves that they love it

FFS! I am sick to death of people presuming those who play World of Warcraft do not enjoy the game. If you decide you've had enough of the game then by all means, do not pay anymore money in order to play the game. However, you seem to believe that because there is an aspect to the entire game that you do not enjoy, that everyone else does not enjoy that either.

On occasion I will be annoyed that I cannot find a quest which provides me with greater rewards than simple mob-killing. However I don't just have a fit and have a Blizzard-blaming fit, I get my character over to a new area to find some quests. If you do not enjoy the quests nor the grinding or the PvP, I have no expectations for you to continue playing the game.

Just because the game is pay to play does not ensure the game will be 100% loved by everyone who decides to play it. Nor should you expect that to be the case. I paid $100 for FEAR; I never finished it because it got repetitive and I no longer enjoyed the game. I paid $60 for HL2, CS:S, DoD:S etc and yet I also stopped playing those too. I did not expect those games to hold my attention forever, nor did any of you I'm sure. It is very rare for a game to be entertaining for a long period of time.

Despite this you seem troubled by the fact other people continue to play this game and are entertained whilst doing so. You have absolutely no idea whether everyone else hated/loved the game as much as you do/did. Go be haters elsewhere, I, nor anyone else who plays and enjoys WoW gives a rats arse whether or not you don't like the game anymore. You quit FFS, of course we don't expect you to be lavish with praise for the game. Grow up and stop flooding this place with your drivel of how much and why you do not like the game, every second thread you pollute with your angst. Move on.

I love to stuff at least 6 dicks in my mouth at once

/quit heterosexuality

If you wish to have gay sex with me, there is the private messaging facility.

I started a new human Palladin on Eldre Thalas last night if anyone is interested in coming over. Look for Dixynormous if you join the Alliance. Other character is Sarlaura but I got bored at level 47 so I've put that one on hold.

Seven, it doesn't sound like you have a level 60, why are you trying to comment on the end-game, where 90% of WoW players are right now, especially the hopelessly addicted ones?. For the record I enjoyed the f*** out of level 1-60 on both my characters, and would probably do it again if I wasn't so aware of what little waited at level 60 for a character I put upwards of 200 hours into.

You quit FFS, of course we don't expect you to be lavish with praise for the game. Grow up and stop flooding this place with your drivel of how much and why you do not like the game, every second thread you pollute with your angst*.

Read the thread, particularly the first couple of paragraphs of bargain's posts just before you. I hate to make a stupid heroin analogy, but people love it! Leave them be, right?

Rest assured I love logging onto QGL and reading about the next f***ing inane piece of WoW news just as much as you love people bagging it. Feel free to skip over my posts, just like dozens of people are going to jump on this paragraph and tell me "then don't read it".

* YES, ANGST IS A COOL WORD.

In all honesty I usually do ignore people's posts who have extreme views. It's only the internet after all. But when someone beats that dead horse over and over again and it changes threads, it's time to tell them to STFU. We've done it with many others in this forum and now it's your turn.

If my mate loves his new car and fails to see a rust patch or a dent somewhere. What would possess me to point it out to him? The majority of us here are quite smart and can make decisions for ourselves. There is no need to point out flaws in the game as it ruins it for those who are still enjoying the game. It's as if you're watching a footy game and someone walks in and tells you the score and then walks away. From then on you are going to be thinking about how the footy game gets to that scoreline.

The same as if someone says "Don't think about the colour red". Your brain will basically force you to do it. Both scenarios are analogous of what you are doing. Rev here has just started playing the game and might well have been loving it to death (we all know he was). Now you bring up points which may damn-well be valid, lag/end game content/whatever. Their validity is not the point, there is no need to spread the hate. As I've said in my last post, I've quit a s***-tonne of games, so has everyone else. However you seem to have the need to spread your malcontent because you paid for all of that for nothing.

You, too, it seems were looking for power and glory and ultimate entertainment post level 60. This could not happen without more invested hours which you were not willing to give up. Now you are on and endless loop of disappointment and regret until you pass it on to enough of those around you (read: on the forum) to be satisfied you are right in your decision to quit WoW.

I merely request you accept your decision to give up WoW and leave it at that. There is no need to constantly bag it out. (Sorry to mention her name but it's an obvious example to all those here) Kat is sometimes not the most popular figures here, but we all know how frustrating it is when others are having a fruitful conversation and because of their inferiority complex they feel the need to bag her out. It is the same here with WoW patch/downtime/content/problem threads when you like to bring up how crap WoW is.

CanI get any of you.... c***s.. a drink?

Once again, myself and the others are not looking for validation. This thread would've sunk way past page 2 of the threads and never been seen again if this conversation wasn't sparked, so it didn't "change [the] thread" either. In fact, I believe this is the first time any thread has changed its direction and the bashing not left ignored. Feel free to challenge me on that one though.

You car analogy lacks important characteristics that would've made it appropriate, such as if my friend were so involved with his car that almost every waking moment where he didn't otherwise have obligations (and even some he did) he spent it working on the car, perhaps tightening and untightening a lugnut for hours on end in hopes that one day he'd have the best damn car on the block. I'd probably tell him that he was a d*******, but he wouldn't understand--"best damn car on the block, 8/8 lugnutz" he'd say. Edit: This paragraph is stupid.

WoW is a veritable black hole. It wrecks educations, careers, relationships (MIMMI might be a good example of this, ask her), the lives of the children whose parents play incessently. While the futility of it leads to jest, I'm genuinly concerned that people sacrifice all these things for what they, maybe wrongly, call "fun"--but not only that it seems they feel a responsibility towards their guild, their e-friends and their character investments. I can't really explain what fuels the addiction past that, but I don't think some of these people are the kind who would sacrifice so much for mere fun. It's scary just how many people fall into this trap; otherwise intelligent, discerning adults stuck in Blizzard's masterly crafted eternal treadmill.

Blah.

Further edited for clarity.

last edited by Hashy at 01:40:58 23/Feb/06

I do hear what you're saying there seven: People do genuinely enjoy WOW. And why should people (like hashy and myself for example) try to spoil that enjoyment with revelations about the game which may or may not be true?

That's a reasonable point. (If I've interpereted your posts correctly)
I'll try to respond to that reasonably.



I believe the revelations stated in my and hashy's posts are indeed accurate, so I obviously assume that position when presenting my argument.


The sort of revelations about WOW that we've mentioned just to be clear:

ppl not realising how they actually feel when they're playing - thinking they enjoy the game but they don't.

the end-game void

ppl viewing their own WOW habits as casual or moderate when it's nothing like it



Let me clarfy the first one, as I think it's the most critical, and you've quoted me out of context. Please note that I am always refering to the gameplay of wow once the ititial fun and excitement of this new game has well worn off. When killing a mob is put onto the list of thousands of other mobs killed.
ppl not realising how they actually feel when they're playing: when they talk about it, it's all fun, but while actually playing, basically every task becomes something they'd prefer not to do (to put it very mildly).
Similar to what I was trying to say earlier: getting a piece of equipment at the end of a task has nothing to do with how much enjoyment or lack of enjoyment the actual task provides. If there was no piece of EQ or item for the same task - would anyone do the task just for fun? (I don't personally know anyone that would). When the reward is disregarded, the task itself is a burden, tedious, monotonous, etc., just to name a few adjectives.
Would anyone grind the same mob for hours for absolutely no reason other than 'fun'? NO. It just does not happen. The tasks themselves do no hold any fun. It's the pending reward that provides the drive to complete the task. Not the joy of the task. It's vey simple. But people seem to blindly apply a blanket 'enjoy WOW' when they're thinking about it or talking about it, with out realising that when they're actually playing, soon enough every sort of task (so pretty much everything done in the entire game) just becomes more and more annoying.

Yes that's my opinion - but it's not pulled out of thin air.
For one it pivots on the assumption that the tasks themselves do not hold any enjoyment when done over and over and over. I feel it is a reasonable assumption to make based on what I think is a simple enough observation of human nature that any reasonable person could make.
Secondly I've played the game myself and so have personal experience with the very issue.
Next I know perhaps around 15 people who play WOW, and I think that's enough of a sample size to solidify my assumption when I observe pretty much the same behaviours in all of them.
Lastly I live with 2 full time WOWers and 1 EX-WOWer, so along with my own experiences, I can view first hand the behaviours and attitudes of both. Please note that the EX-WOWer 'LOVED' WOW when he played, but admits now that despite thinking he loved it, he didn't actually enjoy it because everything is a task, and can only see that well after he stopped playing.

Now, you missed the critical part of the paragraph when you quoted me.

and it's so annoying to see them talking about it - convincing themselves that they love it, when the only thing that is heard when they're ACTUALLY playing is screams of frustration, expressions of annoyance, and sighs of unpleasant duty and almost dread when they FORCE themselves to begin grinding for some extensive list of REQUIRED mats.

I'm not saying the screaming etc. is constant, but that's not what people usually do when they ACTUALLY enjoy something.



So to get back to what I was saying at the top of this post: You imply that an ignorance is bliss type situation is better than hearing the flaws that may be true but spoils the game somewhat.
Why do we need to burst the bubble? Even if these things are true about late game WOW, why do we have to 'spread the hate'?

It's not spreading hate or trying to spoil the game for others just because I/we don't play anymore.
I've only posted what I think people who are totally addicted to wow need to realise. And I really do rekon it's good advice for people who haven't gotten that far into the game - to warn them against falling into the unfulfilling lvl60 hole that WOW too easily becomes. I rekon it is TOO easy to slip into the wow trap without realising, and it's just plain unhealthy with alot of people...

Now you are on and endless loop of disappointment and regret until you pass it on to enough of those around you (read: on the forum) to be satisfied you are right in your decision to quit WoW.

quite the opposite is true. I'm Thankful and relieved I didn't unknowingly slip into an emptiness and frustration that I still think is fun. Now I'm performing the responsible civic forum duty of letting my fellow man know of the peril that wow can lead to.

wow drains souls.

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hell yer^

My gf's brother is like that. 23ish, only leaves his room to eat and have showers. for the 90% of the rest of the day its wow. afaik he has sold some charaters for $1000 each on ebay.
he is seriously addicted.

who wants to buy my wow account $200 level 60 mage on tichondrius full pop pvp :)
blues and epics

youve all convinced me.

i think what makes this game a killer for the casual player/player with a job/player with a girlfriend/player who doesnt find grinding fun at all (ie myself) is that i can never compete against the uber wow nerds out there. what i feel is not fun; (i am a 60mage btw)

-other mages ice spells do +400 damage then mine do because of their gear.
-their 2 trinkets allow them to kill me and most others out there in 1-2 shots.
-hunters 2 shot me constantly with ease from out of range of my spells with their uninterruptable aimed shot - multi shot - auto shot combos
-mages have been gimped/nerfed since day 1 of release and dont even come close to the description blizzard put them down as in the book that comes with it
-i dont have 4 hours to sit down and do an MC run with my guild which did bore the s*** out of me the first and only time ive run it
-quests were only done to gain XP to reach 60 or attunement or fancy items
-DKP means that only the uber nerds have the chance the benefit from epic drops in instances, i have 16, the top mage is 450
-warlocks being completely unbeatable.. completely
-shamans dishing out damage higher then mages, wearing mail armour and healing themselves
-mages unable to use their spells to their full ability in raids due to agro management thereby creating an agro ceiling which just plain sux.

and the worst thing was for me, all this time when i was sub 60, especially during the hardest times of grinding through 48-58 when the only instance to do was temple (boring as s***e) all i was doing was trying to get to 60 so i could run these awesome other instances i had only heard about people talking on channel 4. LFG scholo/ubrs/lbrs/baron. once i did them all a few times, i wondered what it was all about. i got about 10 blue drops out of them. the only epics i got were from onyxia pug raid /random 1000 and some stuff someone gave to me.

the only thing people play for after 60 is new gear. blizzard have done well to meter out the epic stuff with new instances. you finally reach the pinnacle of your gear in your class, and BAM a new instance is released, and you have to farm that instance for the next 2 months to reach the top again

PVP is just not fun for me. to have any benefit for any player from PVP such as rewards, you need to spend a couple hours each day grinding HK's grinding REP for a couple of week. god forbid you go on a holiday like i just did and find all that hard work over the previous few weeks dissapear because you dare leave the game.

the 40 man instances are NOT fun. you dont have fun in them, you are just playing a small role. you cant excel in them youre just another required number. priests heal the tank, tank gets agro, mages and hunters attack from a distance and dont steal agro from the tank. if as a mage i draw agro, i get stepped on and i'm dead instantly. gee thats fun.

all of these things are just hooks to drag you back into it, and keep that subscription rolling on. if the game was purely skill based, say like quake(not CS), it would be alot easier for people to excel if theyre naturally gifted or at least sort out the skill-less ones who can still reach the top in wow just through hours played. the game benefits the lowest common denominator, the ones who have the most time to waste with skill not being required at all.

*confused look*

Who cares about "skill"? It's about HAVING FUN. And you're obviously losing in a big way. If you want a skillful game, try winning at "being happy with my life".

-DKP means that only the uber nerds have the chance the benefit from epic drops in instances, i have 16, the top mage is 450

Just get the item once all the "uber geeks" get it first, afterall, they are the uber geeks and deserve it more than you. It WILL drop again, and they won't need it. It's a fair system, you invest the time into the guild, you get rewarded. Grow up and don't be so selfish. GIMME EPICS GIMME GIMME MINE MINE MINE GIMME GIMME. LAWL. BTW, if you don't like your guilds raid points system, GUESS WHAT? There is other guilds you can join! *gasp* Is life really this simple, zomg.

PVP is a grind, and no, you can't go on holidays, that's right. So time invested = gain. I don't care about PVP though, PVE FTW!

Man some people are weird.. This game totally owns and yet people wanna say bad things about it. WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEIRD! Weird people everywhere, la la la. *holds hands over eyes and pretends they don't exist* Hey it's working!

I dunno, when I played wow I thought it was fun. Running around the countryside, visiting towns, riding those big bird things. I just found it fun adventuring and looking at the scenery and stuff. Was I tricked :/

what cainer said

Amen! I agree 100% with what you said and will even go as far as providing cliff notes for you;

Blizzard produced a game to get people addicted to milk as much money as possible. Blizzard do not care about WoW or the history of the game, just their bottom line.

last edited by TicMan at 09:39:31 23/Feb/06

cry more nubs

Who cares about "skill"? It's about HAVING FUN

I think it's about both. But only cainer's last paragraph was about skill. The rest of his post was about how fun WOW is: not fun at all.

nah fpot you weren't tricked. the start of the game is fun for those very reasons. rad scenery and stuff :) it just get's very unfun without people realising.

Not that I have played WoW but I know the same feeling in bf2 with the rankings and I wonder how those dudes with the mega huge ranks ever got there, and it's because they have played 3 times longer than I have.

I think it's all about the right here and right now: if you are having fun and enjoying yourself and believe you are getting value for money then keep on doing it.

Who cares if someone else thinks WoW is a waste of someone's life (which I do). It's not relevant because that argument is equally applicable to any other game which can be played for long amounts of time.

To all you WoW addicts have fun grinding...and I will have fun getting punished for accidental TKs.

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To be totally honest, I can see the main points being valid for my level 48 priest right now, and I saw them with my lvl47 druid beforehand. I dread logging on to kill the same mob over and over again. I enjoy the rapid changes in skill from up to level 40, but right there and then the game dies for me. There are no real skills to look forward to, the only things left for me are the prospect of being the highest level I can be and better rank and better gear.

However neither of these are real motivations for me. I don't need to be in the best guild, have the best gear or have the highest rank. My main aim in any game is to have fun and if I'm not doing that then there is NO point. I am not an elitest as many seem to be, this is why I quit BF2, the ranking system and medal system seemed to dominate the game rather than the gameplay itself.

This is concerning to me, because I was kinda hoping it was just me being a tool and not realising what a fun game it was, but I guess it's not for me. The real thing that annoys me now is that if the game is going to be an endless cycle of me dishing out money for a game that I can't even reach the pinnacle of (level 60) without going through the motions of being annoyed. Nor will I be able to see and experience the higher zones or instances.

I want to do these things, but not at the expense of my sanity and well-earned funds which could buy me a nice new comp or a kickass sound system for my car or even pay some of my debts, but they come after :P. So is this what MMOs are all about; money? I'm happy to spend money on a game that I enjoy, but do I have to endure the constant stream of crappy POS WW2 genres and FPShooters in order to have some decent multiplayer action?

Civ 4 and Dawn of War: WA are decent games but the non-lan multiplayer is lacking. I wish to spark the debate that we need a company to make a decent co-op game again! It's not that f***ing hard, I'm sick to death of FPShooters with mere CTF and (Team)Deathmatch.

edit: Are any other MMOs any good? Does anyone play them?

last edited by Seven at 23:29:45 23/Feb/06

edit: Are any other MMOs any good? Does anyone play them?

To me most mmo's are more or less the same, just that WoW has bought it to the masses. Pretty much what cs did for online fps's in my mind. (not saying that is a flat out bad thing though).

Ive tried daoc,eve,swg,ffxi in different dosages and while some were better than others, they pretty much provided a similar game experience with just a different spin.

Damn. I was thinking EVE looked aight. Guess not :(

I've been playing wow for close on 2 months now, and I think I see why people get the s***s with it.

It's been my experience (although limited compared to some of you who've been playing it since the beginning) that wow players are divided into 3 types.
1 - Seasonal MMOers who just love playing any mmo no matter what, and generally keep playing
2 - People who are used to be able to play for a bit to be good at a game, eventually realise it will take a bit more effort if they want to be the best and either quit with the s***s or plod along
3 - People who play it for something to do, or use it as a form of escapism

I think I'm part of the third group there, I just like to play the game, muck around, go for a bit of a run somewhere, kill some things, whatever. Some of the low level stuff I find is great fun, I've got about 6 level 19 characters all just to play low level wsg. I'll probably never stop playing, but I doubt I'll ever get into any of the higher stuff because it requires dedication. That I just don't really think I could put in, and I don't really have the attention span.

The people in the second group (usually they're a fan of fps) tend to really, really want to be top stuff and be recognised and what not, but either can't or don't want to put in the time it takes to do all of this. They might sort of realise that it is a totally different skill set to playing other games, but because they don't put in the time they become a bit annoyed or pissed off.

First group is the first group, they'll play it probably no matter what. Usually addicts.

The game is about having fun. Lets face it, it is a game, and I'm sure there'd be something about recreation and enjoyment in some definition of a game. There is skill involved, albeit a different set to what most mainstream games involve, it does exist. The game itself isn't anywhere near s***, bad or stupid. Sure, you may not like the game but that doesn't make it s***. And lets face it, with 5 millions accounts it can't be that s***.

There is only one thing I don't like in WoW, and that's the people that think their class should be able to beat other classes one on one. I'm not really sure what blizzard or anyone else says on the matter, but to me it looks similar to a giant rock-paper-scissors like setup. It's very dependant on circumstances and the skill level of the players, and also the other players you have with you that, in my opinion, determines how well you'll go against other classes. If every class could kill every other class, there'd be little point in different classes. There's elements of teamplay here, when people are used to running off by themselves (Also the rest bs as an attempt to suckup to people who don't play often, and it's really bs anyway).

And about paying for a game? People that say they don't want a game they have to buy and then pay monthly on are taking the totally wrong view of things. When you look at a price:game time ratio, wow wins there hands down. I can only remember two games I've bought that I've even got anything approaching the amount of time playing wow out of (q3 and morrowind).

Anyway, just my take on some things people've brought up here regarding wow.

last edited by eXemplar at 02:06:37 24/Feb/06

If you're looking for stuff to do what's a good use of time, maybe you should start here:

1 2 3 4

You get the general idea.

what's a good use of time

Snore

I'll probably quit when the expansion comes out.

All the items I farmed, all the time I invested will be worthless and I think it's a horrible thing what they are doing, and yes, I know why they are doing it, greedy f***s.

So yeah when I stop I guess I'll be in the same boat and I don't have any answers for you or myself. I would assume it'll be as simple as doing something else with your time? You close a section off in your life and another opens.

But WoW overall has been good experience for me.

so you just realised like i did gimpy that the game just becomes unfun without you realising it.

i think wow will suffer this problem with people in droves in about 6 months time when the mature player base also realises this. they can't keep selling the game like they have been forever.

-hunters 2 shot me constantly with ease from out of range of my spells with their uninterruptable aimed shot - multi shot - auto shot combos

Aimshot has a cast time like all your spells and CAN BE INTERUPTED. They just don't get a cool cast timer :)
Mages are getting a review next patch.
Warlocks cry more than Mages, therefore Locks get more buffs. Conclusion, Locks = OverPowered.

If you're regreting all the time you've put into WoW and the money you spent on it, then it wasn't really fun was it?
B the f***EN L to YOU. You choose to play the game, live with it. It's like smokers sueing tabaco companies. Go die of cancer or something FFS.

As gimpy said, many of us will get over WoW sooner or later. We'll all quit at some point, maybe we'll come back, maybe we won't. However I doubt we'll be crying and carrying on that WoW IS EVIL!!

eXemplar put it well when he classed the different people who play WoW. Maybe ya'll should take a step back and ask yourself, why am I playing this game and do I actually enjoy it?
I approach it as another MultiPlayer game, where that digital image (character) is a REAL person on a other end. A person that has feelings and emotions. Then I kill that person and camp his corpse for the next half hour (haha only joking, I never corpse camp. Caused that be rude. Emote FTW). Ta da, fun in a mutha f***en box.

Blizzard are going to milk that cow as Valve did.

If optus still had it's ET servers I would be playing that instead of WoW, but I will probably quit once I have hit lvl 60 with my lock and start trying to play q3ctf, HL2:DM or CS:S.

Why would you quit at 60? That's when the game starts. Everything pre-60 is preparation for "start-game" instances like ZG/MC/Onyxia/BWL. Get your gear up to spec and run these things man, with a good guild, it's a killer rush.

I don't understand this "end-game" philosophy.

Yeah end game stuff sounds all sweet and what not but I dont see the point in running these instances when all the tier 2 armor sets have low drop rates(17% or lower), aswell being a warlock you do not get a free mount at 60 no matter what blizzard says you end up spending at least a minimum of 650g so and even more reason just to finihs up at 60.

So ebay some gold, or ride your 40 mount. Mounts don't help in these instances. I really don't see the point in them besides wank value. I think the warlock epic mount quest thing is like 400 gold of mats?

And the drop rates aren't as bad as you think. Plus you won't have to roll on the items, guilds use raidpoints that you accumulate by attending the raids, so if you run the instances, you'll eventually be rewarded. And it's not really about the loot for me, it's about the actual fights.

Just seems a shame to throw the towel in without giving it a shot, but your call.

So ebay some gold

Oh dear.

Is grinding in this game so unfun that you'd rather pay real money for it?

\/\/\/\/ It was just a global arguement - buying gold is pretty popular for a reason \/\/\/\/

Screw it, let the thread die.


last edited by Hashy at 19:05:31 25/Feb/06

If he really wants his mount, it's an option for him. Wasn't talking about me.

Why would you quit at 60? That's when the game starts.

WoW had the most unfun end game out of any mmo I have played. In that regard it made it easy to stop playing I guess. For the vast majority of the time, the level treadmill is at least partially hidden and that was one thing I think blizzard did pretty well, you didn't have to camp the same spawn for entire levels but constantly had different content to contend with.

I dont get the money for gold idea either though, ditto with buying characters.
You pay money to skip content that you pay to play for in the first place, only to try and keep up with people you obviously cant keep up with. The guy who bought my account barely understood how to play the game and still calls me occasionally with questions on concepts of the game that you learn as you play which to me is the main point of playing mmo's, to enjoy that learning and playing that toon well in a group.