Yeah so like, happy families sand stuff.

I think about it, and I think, I'd rather shoot myself than live a wank lifestyle of the typical family. Whether you say that's American or Australian, either way, I don't like the idea of it, and I don't invisage it, as my future.

I like exotic girls. My mum has always said, "you love those exotic women don't you" and the answer is, yes mum, yes I do.

So like, I'm kinda going on another one of my spiritual journeys. I'm not a racist at all, unless hating Brisbane girls is racist, which I guess it is, LOL. Anyway, I love girls that aren't born in Brisbane basically. I'm interested in other cultures, I'm interested in chicks from outside of my comfort zone.

I mean, I've been thinking lately about chivalry, feminism, and all that other bulls***. And I don't want a part of it. I want a nice girl who actually gives a f*** about my ideas, and then I would reciprocate the interest in her ideas, and it would be a circle of enjoyment.

But as for American/Australian happy families, tv, bulls***, that just makes me wanna shoot myself.

Anyone else felt this way? It seems like I'm so bored and disappointed with the girls around me, I need to travel to meet somewhere new and exciting, and better yet, meet someone worth dating.

*edit* drunk typos*

no u r

so what you're saying is...you want my gf? :-)

yes

what the hell are you talking about? what tv happy family bulls***? Time to lay off those mushrooms man.

I have taken drugs before.... and I had a real good time (Bill Hicks)

But like, seriously, I'm not on drugs. I'm just saying that what everyone else does isn't always what is best for you. The reason I say this is because I'm going to be an uncle soon and like the family pressure is, when are going to settle down and get married and pump out 2.3 children and have a nice mortgage etc...

And I'm sitting there freakin out, going well.. I never liked that idea. I talked to a few dudes at work today and they are like, don't worry dude, you'll meet someone nice soon and you'll understand. And I'm thinking OK.... but why.. why do we need to populate this planet with more s***.

Main thoughts are:

1) Don't wanna have children
2) Don't wanna have the big family Christmas every year
3) Don't wanna do the typical family horses***
4) Teenagers are c***s, and I'd beat my children

Yeh, so you could say, you're a f*** up, and you're stupid, enjoy the pain. But like I don't see any gain in it. Everyone I know who has had children and are starting a family, are all in pain all the time. But yet they claim, you won't understand until you do it. I'm dubious.

gimpy that is a perfectly normal phase of life, you just wanna get out there and experience something different without feeling tied down.

If you can then do get out there and roam free and meet interesting people in interesting places because sooner or later your brain chemistry will change again and you will move into "settle down mode", just check out the angelina jolie thread ;P.

The reason I say this is because I'm going to be an uncle soon and like the family pressure is, when are going to settle down and get married and pump out 2.3 children and have a nice mortgage etc...

I was an uncle when I was like 8 or something, wtf is the big deal?

Thanks Xy :)

I dunno, I have a few friends who felt the same way, went overseas, got married, and now are into that s***. But I dunno...

I hate babies, I hate teenages, I hate kids. hahahaha I know I sound like an arsehole. I like my cousins, and like I teach them stuff and they are always keen to hang out and play on my computer. And girls have told me I'd be a really good dad, I just dunno if I can do it. I mean what if one day she wakes up and decides she wants to bang other guys. I'm left with a mortgage, kids, and pain. Is it worth it?

wtf is the big deal?

That big deal is, I'm part of a family, and they talk about my brother and sister and how they are gonna make babies, and then pointing the finger at me, going HEY, HEY! WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE BABIES.

And I'm like, internet porn ftw.

*edit* not my brother and sister makin babies, them and their partners.


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yellow fever

Persay, can we be friends, you know you love me.

Maybe you should ask Dr Phil why you can't get laid.

Did I ever say I couldn't get laid??

Look, dude, if you're having troubles, PM me, you can be my wingman. I'll show you how easy is it.

haha i love drunken posts!

I think its becoming a lot more common these days for people not to want to live the nicely packaged "Get married, settle into a comfortable job and raise a family" lifestyle. Not to degrade the people who want that life, I think these days though more people are going out and living the life they want to live rather than the life society believes they should live.

I know personally I have absolutely no inclination to ever start a family and have kids, its so far down my list of priorities its not even ON my list of priorities. Its like an anti-priority. And I really can't see that changing at all in the future, I'm just not a kids kind of person. Families and kids and all that are just too many strings, and I dont like strings, I hate being tied down in one place. Not to say I really flit around much, but I always like having the option to just pack up and go if the need (or want) arises. On top of that, I just don't like kids much.

And I can't see myself doing the whole marriage thing either, it doesn't really hold any importance to me personally. If by some strange twist of fate I did end up getting married, it would be the most un-churchlike un-religious wedding possible, with no mention at all of God. I went to my cousin's wedding recently, and it was the traditional church wedding full of god related propaganda and imo it just wrecked the whole thing. All this talk of God recognising the two people as one, and God blessing the union and blah blah blah. It sucked all the meaning out of the day imo, made it into a cheap attempt by the catholic church to once again impose their dominance on our daily lives, "Ok, you've been living together for 3 years now, but you weren't *REALLY* together, but now God has said its ok, so now you can consider yourselves together." What a crock of s***.

And don't get me started on God and funerals. I swear, in my will, I'm going to make sure they give me a funeral with no mention of God. I guess I can understand, if you were really religious, it might help you to have all the "Hes with god now" stuff in the funeral, but to me, it just sounds so hollow. Its almost like you're de-valuing the person's life "Yeah, hes dead, but hes with God now in eternal happiness and now his REAL life starts!", and on top of that, I don't think its necessarily the best way to deal with someone's death. Sure, I've heard the argument that faith helps people through things like this, but is it a good kind of help or is it just denial wrapped up in religion?

And I guess I went a bit off topic, but well, I'm in a ranting mood.

I know lots of people who were like "oh i hate kids id beat them etc" and when they do have one, they realise that they love kids and that they would kill for them.

I have to agree with you totally on the kids front. All the bulls*** about
1. getting married
2. getting a house of your own
3. producing a s***ting,screaming,eating machine
(guess which part i don't want)

I get this crap all the time, if someone ask me "when are you goign to have kids" i look them in the face and say " never, i can't stand children"
I have been talked down to, condescended even abused for my beliefs but i definatly give back 120% what i get from these self-elevated a******s.
In this day and age is is should be perfectly acceptable not to want to add to this overpopulated world, but the mindless drones who pump out babies just because it is expected should be shot.
PS - If you hadn't guessed, i take this issue pretty seriously.

I was an uncle when I was like 8 or something, wtf is the big deal?

Thats probably it though whoop,you were too young to understand,and if you dont know by now then its too late for you.

Yeah that's fantastic, but there is lots of single mums out there. And I wish I could help them, but I can't.

Wow that sure was a magnificent anti religion rant there khel :D.
I agree with your sentiments though.

Back on topic:
A little while ago I would never have even considered settling down and having kids but my views are changing of late and I could at least see myself doing it now.
Perhaps in a few more years I might even actively seek to do so *shrugs*.

I got drunk with my parents the other night. And I said to my dad, I don't wanna have f***en kids OK? And my dad is like, I don't blame you. If I was in your position, I wouldn't have kids either.

So I'm cool in that front. But like, I know chix, and they have a f***en to-do list. Let me share it with you.

1. Get married.
2. Make babies.

:(

Ok then merlyn,what if Wifey one day says..."Guess what,im pregnant!!" What will be your plan then,or have you already taken that step and gone the "snip"??

*Firefox doesnt let me edit posts so =P*

gimpy how old are you?

I know lots of people who were like "oh i hate kids id beat them etc" and when they do have one, they realise that they love kids and that they would kill for them.

Well once the kid has popped out theres not much you can do about it, you'd probably feel obligated to love it and care for it on some low primal level, its probably encoded into our genetics or something. But theres no way by choice I'd ever have a kid, I'm too selfish, I enjoy my money (at least, when I have money) and my time too much to spend it raising a kid for the next 20 years. I don't want that extra committment hanging over my head, too many strings! Too complicated! Complicated = bad.

Wifey is almost as anti-kids as i am. We are both in our early 30's and have had this view since we first went out. I have personaly felt this way for as long as i can remember and have never came close to changing (same with wifey)
IF.. and it is a big if... something happened we would deal with it in a manner we saw fit (not going to go any further with that.)
I was very upfront when my wife and i started to get serious. I told her my view on children and the fact it would never change. I knew at the time that she was anti-kids as much as me but if she was ever to change her mind, let me know and i would hold no hard feelings against her and leave so she could find a partner that shared her views.
This may seem harsh, but it is a real world out there kiddies... deal with it.

So your family name will die out when you do......

word, khel.

gimpy how old are you?

I'm 27 years old, and I have serious trust issues due to the girls I've dated. How old are you? :)

About a million people have the same last name for every freaking last name there is (well mostly) so letting your line die won't kill off the name.

so what if it does?
That is the absolute worst reason to have kids.. to "carry on the family name. We must have a Charles Pimblebottom the III"
That type of idiotic reasoning makes me want to puke.

Bugger that, I want kids when the time is right later on in life. Like most guys I know who are sorta 28+ have kids who are around the 2 yr old stage, fairly well rooted with wife and home.
Khel you make it sound like the wifes were knocked up, not the case, maybe if the kid was an accident I could understand your point of being obliged to love it.
Kids are pretty amazing, I was always the kind of guy who shrugged off the idea of kids but now I'm around blokes who've got kids, it's pretty amazing stuff. I have asked a few if they could go back in time would they still have kids and they all say yes, but if they were to choose having kids back then it would have been a no.

Alot of you seem to have tunnel vision, can you honestly see yourself playing WoW when you're 30 sitting at home alone posting on qgl?

You dont understand what i mean Xy,of course there are millions of people with the same last name,i meant that merlyns surname (eg- smith) will no longer be associated with any of his direct relatives.I know his sister is married so unless she has taken her husbands surname then she will no longer carry it.

Why do you either have to view of
1. having a loving family with al lthe BS that goes along with it
or
2. Being a lonely old hermit with no life

My life is absolutly fantastic now and i can only see it getting better... without the crap of having kids. My wife and i can go do what we want, when we want, IF we want. We have a great life together, why spoil it??

My f***up brother is going to carry on my last name, because he's having a boy. But I hate my brother, he's a c***. And no, I'm not going to be baby sitter, I'm going to be a c*** right back to you. Then again, I'm such a softie, I'm sure I'll end up being that awesome uncle who shows that kid the time of his life.

I don't really care about that so much. I've been racking my brain for reasons why we make babies. And I just don't want one. Where I work, ladies go on maternity leave, then bring in their brand new babies into the office, and all the chicks crowd around like it's so f***ing fantastic. But I just don't feel anything. I dunno why. I feel like I'm f***ed up because I can't seem to understand. I dunno.

I'm completely wasted btw, so go easy on the flames. I'm sharing myself. :)

Obviously you aren't going to be a lonely old hermit if you're married dude.
fyi I'm not saying YOU MUST HAVE KIDS.

Hmm i've always wondered about that, how many people know their great grand parents names?, then their parents names?, then their parents names?
After only a few generations your name is lost to history and at best will be a small note on a headstone or plaque that nobody cares about or scribbled down on a family tree that nobody ever looks at.

The real issue here is that your body is telling you to pass on your genes and nothing more.

Spoon, the way you put it, you only gave those 2 options.
i called bulls*** on that, simple.

"Alot of you seem to have tunnel vision, can you honestly see yourself playing WoW when you're 30 sitting at home alone posting on qgl?"

That read to me you will be one or the other.

Well you do have two options here really don't you, either get married or sit at home alone. Generally with marriage kids come witht he package, obviously there is exceptions to it but whatever.
I'll say once again, I'm not saying you must have kids. If you wanna spit out some vague references of me saying so you can jam them.

Also That quote you gave was a crack at gimpy because I know thats exactly what he does.

Edit: I'm also referring to the fact that things in life change, sure you're 20 and playing games and getting pissed etc but it might not always be like that.

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spoon, FYI, girls wanna get married, girls wanan make babies. Seriously, I've surveyed them, it's their f***en to-do list.

So what's a boy supposed to do?

It's hard enough to meet a nice girl, let alone a girl who doesn't wanna make babies and ruin her life. :)

The problem is that society believes that you DO only have these 2 options. So many people have asked how wifey and i can be happy witout kids... i just ask how can they be happy WITH kids.

Also That quote you gave was a crack at gimpy because I know thats exactly what he does.

Who, What, Why, When?

Kids at 28? I'm 27 and my life is only just starting to get good, I'm finally on track for a career I'm really pysched about and I'm just starting to get my s*** sorted, why would I wan't to go and have a kid and throw everything back into chaos? I want the freedom to actually be able to enjoy my life, now thats its starting to work out.

Theres plenty of old farts here that don't have kids yet, but then I guess on the other hand theres Mantra, and he has a whole army of them, so I guess that balances things out.

You're not telling me anything new gimpy, and merlyn all I can say to that is, obviously they're happy, they've lived both sides of the border and remember there was a time when they didn't have kids and they were off doing their thing not ruining their lives with kids.
If you see what I'm trying to get to here well congrats cos im going to sleep.

Khel, first you need a girlfriend, and for f***s sake, I haven't said that you should just go and make babies while you still live at home. Like I said most the guys I know your age have a home and are fairly well setup already.



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Plus as a guy you always have the option of having kids at just about any age so you can be 45 or 50 and just find some chick in her thirties if you change your mind by that time :).

ok, I'll tell u guys a story that I quite liked.

My grandparents, have this friend who is like 67, never had kids, never been married, and he is so with it for his age. I can actually sit down, have a beer with him and laugh. He is like so happy with life and just taking it as it comes. I admire that.

He said to me, why buy the book, when the world is a library.

HAHAHAHA, f***en kudos to him.

*edit* drunk

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I jus tsay it because they had the self rightous belief that i couldn't be happy witout kids. Like i give a f*** if they want to screw up thier lives by adding to the overpopulation of the world. As long as they don't drag me into their hell.

Yeah, especially if you've spent that 45 years making a f***load of money, then you can get some really hot chick who's just interested in your money and pay a nanny to look after the kids. Win win!

My grandparants, have this friend who is like 67, never had kids, and he is so with it for his age. I can actually sit down, have a beer with him and laugh. He is like so happy with life and just taking it as it comes. I admire that.

Sounds like a guy I know only hes only 50, it's cool because you can sit down and have a beer and chat about all sorts of naughty s*** and just have a good laugh.

Oh thats right, he's my father.

btw, i am jetlagged to hell and this crazy swedish weather doesn't help either, so please ignore the many typoes :)

i luv sleepin in .
let the sucka's have kids or the peasants that need the $3000 bonus

Like i give a f*** if they want to screw up thier lives by adding to the overpopulation of the world.

lt& agreed.

We are subjected to all this marketing/sales type bulls*** everyday. Open your mind and realise what is important and what isn't. It's not for everyone. But those who understand, I think, might appreciate the joys of their own idea on life. ;)

We buy new computers, new DVD players, new whatever, every f***ing year, but why? You know why? Because some f***** has decided we need this s*** every year. And I'll tell you someting for free, we don't need this s*** to be happy. And it's about time we realised that.

I'm sure I'll end up being that awesome uncle who shows that kid the time of his life.

I lol'd at that.

We might not need it to be happy but it helps.

Gimpy will be the dirty uncle who gives them the best candy of their life.

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Really? I have every f***en gadget I *need* and it doesn't make me happy.

Because of the fact I don't have a family or kids, I can spend my pay cheque on me right. And I've bought things to make my life easier, sure. But it is not required.

The best pain killer in the world is love. More powerful than any drug, even heroin.

You could always love men, problem solved? *shifty eyes*
I hear there will be plenty available in china and india pretty soon, you can kill 2 birds with one stone as you get to travel and meet interesting people as well :D.

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Gimpy will be the dirty uncle who gives them the best candy of their life.

My new nickname is going to be Michael Jackson.

I'll be keeping my maiden name when I get married.

dam havin kids dont = happy eh.

It's a catch 22 for those who don't wanna have kids.

Cause chix have an agenda,

1. Get married
2. Make babies

I just wanna f*** and have a good time.

I wanna like have this "relationship" that pretty much just conists of having sex and being friends. As for babies, and family stuff, f*** THAT, that's where I explain I'm different.

f*** guys = problem solved

Hmm i've always wondered about that, how many people know their great grand parents names?, then their parents names?, then their parents names?
After only a few generations your name is lost to history and at best will be a small note on a headstone or plaque that nobody cares about or scribbled down on a family tree that nobody ever looks at.

Well some people take pride in what their family has done and take interest in there family tree.An aunt of mine has traced our family name down through the ages and weve discovered things like (from memory here) having close family members fighting on both sides of WW2,being part of the group that scaled Mt Everest.I for one do find my family history interesting and wish i had more details onhand atm,guess i'll be making a phone call later today to my aunt =)

Edit: I'll stick to game related posts. Meow!

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I forgot where I saw this but rasing your average child up to the age of 18 costs around the $250,000 mark.

So you could either buy/payoff half or 3/4 of a house in the next 18 years or have kids..

I heard it was like $500,000

Maybe that 54 year old guy doesn't have the "spark" in his eye cos hes a lonely old coot who regrets what he has done with his life and wishes he could do it over again and make better choices? Maybe it has nothing at all to do with wanting kids. I dunno, I'm just hypothesising here, because I know for sure it isn't having kids that would put that spark in MY eye.

This isn't some kind of buddy movie where the grouchy guy at the start who doesn't like children is put into a situation where he finds out he has a young son he never knew he had and is suddenly thrust into having to cope with fatherhood as wacky shenanigans ensue, then at the end he realises he really does love kids. No, this is real life where some people just have no desire at all to be a dad and don't want kids.

This isn't some passing fad, its not like a shirt that goes in and out of style, I'm not going to wake up tomorrow and go "Oh, its coming into Autumn soon and I heard kids are the new black this year, better go get me some", this is a fundamental cornerstone of who I am: I am a guy that doesn't want to be a father and doesn't wan't to have kids. Its so deeply ingrained into me, its not going to just one day change. It would be like living the first 30 years of your life as a perfectly happy straight man, then spontaneously deciding one day to be gay. People change but they don't change THAT much.

Well put Khel

ill have kids soon enough (i need them to be the sporting star i nearly was, AND THEY WILL LIKE IT)

but i aint done living my life yet

i still have partying to do, and thats no good for having kids around

give it a year or two, petal will be over her second rod

then we mite start thinking about adding little spooks

i for one think its great that gimpy won't be breeding :) well done chap!

Well for one not everyone wants to get married and have kids and that includes plenty of females out there.

I have always wanted to have kids, I just planned them a lot later then I actually had them.

My brother enjoys the fact that I am pumping out kids, he says that it takes the focus off him so I would have thought that would let you off for a few years gimpy?

Everyone has different ideals on what they would like their life to be like. Sometimes it goes to plan and sometimes it doesn't. I think the fact you know what you want is a lot more than some people, in families and out of them.

Society is f***ed up, so don't care what they think

+1 Gimpy emo post

Gimpy, I think you are pretty bloody emo and insecure. You always rate yourself, but really just spend all day playing WoW. When you actually enter real life, then have a big whine about this or that and need people to tell you what to do all the time for the most basic things. Correct me if I’m wrong, but these I believe these are your threads:

Waah..Tell me what have for lunch…

Waaa! A girl who actually likes me has slept with more people than me…

Tell me what to do on holidays… I’m bored and drinking red wine by myself in the morning and spent 300hrs straight playing WoW…

My mummy wants me to have kids, but I don’t wanna…Give me a medal coz I’m special and don’t want to overpopulate the world – kudos to me.

Various other needy posts.


The first and most important piece of advice – Quit WoW and sell it to cash convertors, get rid of it as soon as you can. I’m sure it is fun when you play it, and when you get the Pitchfork of Gaseous Doom +7 and increase your Charisma to 500, it feels good for a short while but it doesn’t last and it doesn’t mean anything. This game is ruining people lives in my opinion, it simply takes up way too much time.

Secondly, do any of the following:

Go overseas.
Join the army.
Go to pubs/clubs where you know Asians or “Exotics” hang out. (Is there still that Level 7 R n B club?)
Try to cut down the porn a little.
Start playing social sport.
Grow up a bit.
Join the gym.
Relax a little.
Try to not hate women – they are not all bad.

(Khel, you could take some of this on bored too – Cut down the games and computer stuff a little and get outside. Play some sport or join the gym and lose some weight and you will meet some girls. Also girls hate tightarses.)

Even though I might sound a little harsh, I think that you both sound like pretty cool guys. You just need to make a few changes to lead a more happy life.

There are millions of happy families who are just that, happy families.

You don't have to have one or be part of one yourself, but it's still a fact.

/waits for obligatory Gimpy 'oh hey guys I was just joking' post.

My brother enjoys the fact that I am pumping out kids, he says that it takes the focus off him so I would have thought that would let you off for a few years gimpy?

When you're done with the current batch, can you pump one out for me ... would shut mother up quite nicely :P Let me know when you're ready and we can organise the conception.

But stinky like any product there is always a "bad batch"

Jesus f***ing christ gimpy stop bitching and get of the computer. There are so many different types of girls out there who want so many different things what you're saying is just so retarded. Sure lots of girls want babies, but there are a s***load of girls in the world and I know for a fact not all of them want marriage, a mortgage and 2.5 kids. I think you've either met a pretty small amount of girls or you're just a complete tard. Stop being such a self pitying emo fag and go do something about it. These posts are just so pathetic.

Some of you have watched too much Fight Club.

Maybe you can meet a real gurrl playing WoW. You can have love threads on qgl until you are 50. Exciting times.
I'd rather have a wife that I didnt meet through mail order or a computer game/forum.

And 'exotic' (asian lol) woman are even more boring, man thats if they even decide to talk to anyone. Besides the ones that were born here they just keep to themselves dont make any effort. If all aussie woman just want a family then all exotic (lol) woman are boring, quiet and have no personality.

"I forgot where I saw this but rasing your average child up to the age of 18 costs around the $250,000 mark. " yeah and what the average income over this time.kids dont have to cost alot.


i hear alot of parents whine about this and that about parenting . your choice, deal with it. some people choose to live happy fulfilled without thinkin of havin kids

So, how come this http://images.google.com.au/images?q=tbn:s4QYx2wcWaWd-M:perso.wanadoo.fr/kamian.dirian.fr/startrek/startrek0001x.jpg

is the second hit when I type in "star trek" in google image search? i guess it must be popular!

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Alright! thats what I like to see.
Damnit! you must have a better google image search than me cause I get is s***nut and spock in s***ty poses.

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Look, my posts are not needy ok. My posts shouldn't be taken as depressing or emo, they are really just me finding out opinions to help make up my own mind about a subject. I thought that was the purpose of a forum. I guess some people take me the wrong way.

The exotic girls comment referred to a chick from Tahiti, and the fact I've said I'm going to fly to Brazil to meet my wife since high school. The closest I've come to dating an asain chick, was a chick who was half Chinese.

Waah..Tell me what have for lunch…

Waaa! A girl who actually likes me has slept with more people than me…

Neither of those were emo posts and I wasn't crying, I was just being curious like I am in all my posts. And again, you've taken it the wrong way, I don't care about girls who have slept with more people than me, that wasn't what the thread was about. It was about trusting someone not to make the same mistake again who had done things in the past. Whether that be cheating, doing drugs, gangbangs, or just bad s*** in general.

The purpose of this thread was to see if anyone else felt this way about kids. The world has changed quite a bit so it's not like the olden days where everyone has a happy family. Right now, I can't really see myself having kids. But maybe I'll end up being tricked into it one day. The impression I get is that all chicks wanna have kids. Which is a perfectly natural thing to want.

The root cause though for me is probably just me being selfish and those stupid shows on tv of horrible kids.

Well, I never used to want kids. Hated them, they smell.

But unfortunately I'm female, I think god thought it was funny to inject us with silly girly hormones which make us want all that bulls***.

Now.. I actually want kids. 2-4 in fact. And I want to settle down and get married. I want the family car (haha, on the way, we're getting a new Liberty). Unfortunately for me, I still have to wait a while. I'm with a male.

Is it selfish to not want to have children and to find someone to spend the rest of your lives together without having children selfish?

I think not and you are well within your rights to seek this life gimpy, ignore the trolls.

Sounds like someone is basically just asking the question "what is the meaning of life?"

The only logical meaning of life I see, is procreation and ensuring the survival of the species.
Of course, the way our planet isn't going procreation is going to help anything.

Stop posting emo threads and just go out there and do whatever the f*** you want, there are no "walthroughs" to life.

last edited by Loki at 16:46:31 13/Jan/06

gimpy is well within his rights to be emo on this forum

on the other point - if anything is "selfish", it's that your parents worked hard raising you (one would assume) and you've decided that you're too cool for that

This is of course a weak argument, because whatever you do that doesn't harm others, or society, is okay

You could always love men, problem solved? *shifty eyes*
I hear there will be plenty available in china and india pretty soon, you can kill 2 birds with one stone as you get to travel and meet interesting people as well :D.

LOL.


I think this is an interesting topic of discussion. I think you are very accurate in pointing out that most (note I said most...not necessarily all) women (and men, as a matter of fact too) rate getting married and having children pretty highly on the "to do" list. I think their are a number of reasons for this; primarily, natural instinct (esp for women), but I also think it is partly due to the upbringing of women (and men?) in our society (marriage and children by your 30's - among other things like a decent career - is looked upon as success...generally speaking).

JUST because the MAJORITY of people (at least in our society) choose to live their life with marriage and children in mind, it doesn't mean you have to though. I'm sure their are girls out their with a similar value system to you (they might be a little harder to find though unfortunately...unless you can convince them that living with you and not having children is a better option ;P). Like Xy already said though, if you don't want to get married and have children...then don't. It's your life and ULTIMATELY you are the one that has to live it, so you have to make your own decisions.

Whilst I think everyone should make their own decisions in life though, I think you should also make sure you properly explore all of your options before making a decision like this (given that you are probably a minority in society...and given that most women at 27 are looking to settle down...of course I assume you want a woman who is 27? :P). I have to question how much thought you have given to it though...have you had much experience with children? could that not make you happy? or do you believe that happiness can be derived from simply having a relationship with someone and doing whatever the hell you want in life, no strings attached? not that I'm saying there is anything wrong with that, but thinking about your future and all, not just the present :) ).

Also, with regards to marriage, have you definetely thought that out properly? Do you *definetely* not want to get married? (MAYBE you just haven't found someone you really want to be with yet? or maybe you've just never had a decent relationship before? maybe, I don't know...these are just things I'm throwing up in the air).

Also, one more thing with regards to your comment on having difficulty finding nice girls...are you sure that the problem is not with you? (not that I'm trying to put you down or anything but a relationship, afterall, is always a two-way street :P). Do you always give the girls you are in a relationship with a FAIR chance? Are you too picky? Are you too judgemental? (if you're in a relationship with someone and they are completely honest with you about a perhaps less than perfect/ideal past, isn't that a good thing? communication = important...plus they must trust you to confide their past to you, don't you think?). Also, where are you meeting these girls? Perhaps you need to try a different spot? (MAYBE it is the girls after all? :P).

Anyway, just some thoughts to think about :).

BTW, if you're looking for an "exotic" girl, I don't necessarily think you won't find that in Brisbane. Plus what exactly do you mean by "exotic"? Interesting? Different? Is it misguided to believe that you will definetely find that *just* by going out with "exotic" girls??

im happy. i have an awesome girlfriend, who is going to be my fiance soon. I want kids, i want to settle down and have a nice life while earning big bucks and being comfortable, while doing the things i want to do. Im glad i dont get :pavemo: over my life because its awesome and i wouldnt have it any other way

except maybe my car back :(

tung you can be happy and still be emo

is that like being emo just to get pity?

I think its like listening to simple plan and good charlotte.

What f***en drugs are you people on, I'm not emo. And I do not want or need pity.

at least you didnt count sum 41!

Why do ppl think it is emo? I'm sure this is going to effect (if not, already has effected?) you all at some point...

ive always wanted to grow old with someone and ive always wanted to have kids and ive always wanted to have money and live comfortably. sure, there have been times where that future didnt seem so possible, but it never made me want anything different, just gave me a kick in the pants when i got too far off track.

i dont think what im doing is cliche'd, i really really love where i am at the moment, and im not doing this to fit into some pretty picture, this is what i truly want and thats what makes me happy

yeah I think the sour grapes thing makes a lot of people not want kids

then they meet The One(tm) and their cynicism melts away

romance. how gay

I don't think there is anything wrong with that either. Just because a particular lifestyle is popular, it doesn't mean it is simply cliched...

I've thought about it a fair bit and I want my life to be like Tung's eventually (give me a few more years and it will!...kids might have to wait a little longer though, but definetely someday).

Agent 99,

I do want to get married. Just haven't met her yet. But yes, I go for the wrong girls, and I look in the wrong places. I think I attract the wrong type of girls too, so I dunno if that's my "fault" or not. I need to straighten my act up, that's for sure, and once I do, I'll probably attract someone worthwhile, because, like attracts like. I guess I would have kids if I met the right girl. I've been thinking about this heaps now, and I think if I didn't have kids I would die a lonely, bitter old man (if I'm not already).

Exotic chicks are just chicks from another part of the world; foreign. And my point was simply that if I married an exotic chick, my life would be different than if I married a chick from Brisvegas. I guess I need to travel, I really like UK chicks. But I have no interest in the UK, so maybe I should just hang out at backpackers?

hrm.. so my new to-do list:

1. Get married.
2. Make babies. (eventually)

I guess it all started when a cab driver told me "don't marry the wrong woman, it'll ruin your life". LOL

children are a way off for me too, but its something that myself and my gf have decided that we want. obviously its not gonna happen next year, and we do want to travel and see the world too so thats gotta slot in somewhere befoer the kids come along :p

Don't worry Gimpy - you'll find someone :). Probably when you least expect it too (isn't that always the case? :P...when you're happy with yourself basically, I'm sure you'll find someone :) ).

whatever

poor bitter old lazy fat bass playing insom

heh you got my number

seriously though telling a long term single person that "they will come along when you least expect it" is just a jarring cliché it's like hearing nails on a blackboard

I agree Insom. I've heard that sooooo many times. And I think I've met her so many times too! When I least expected it.

Don't worry Gimpy - you'll find someone :). Probably when you least expect it too (isn't that always the case? :P...when you're happy with yourself basically, I'm sure you'll find someone :) ).

maybe someone will send you a sexy private message on QGL even ;-)

The world sucks when you're down and out but it will change and so will you

But yes, I go for the wrong girls

You snuck off with manlissa at dinner the other night =P

Nobdoy "needs" kids. World population at 6 Billion. (and putting more than safe strain on world supporting it)

So it's all up to the individual. So to recap, nobody anywhere "needs" kids. You can want kids, that's your choice. But you don't need them.

overpopulation is not a problem in australia. besides, look at the people having the most kids

bogans and religious nutbars

cool people (like me) aren't having nearly enough, or they will have one kid, that's not even enough to replace you when you die

I didn't think I was going to be a Dad, ever.

I am now. I remember thinking the same stuff I saw here on the way to the Reply button. I even broke up with my girl of eight years because she wanted the marriage / house / kids / car / dog / lawn mower that I didn't.

4 years later I'm 30, will be married at 31 and have a 2 year old son. I have the steady, reliable job (fortunately in a field I rerally enjoy for a firm I believe in) and will have other children. Well, once the marriage, honeymoon and mortgage are all out of the way (mortgage started that is).

I'm not saying its for everyone, but having a son who looks like you and acts like you, and copies what you do just f***s with your head. There's nothing like the bug-eyed "wow" when your son watches you pick up the lounge room furniture, or his avid attention when you change a wheel on the car (and how he spends the next 3 weeks pretending to do it himself).

I am the smartest, strongest, most incredible guy my son knows. I'm very lucky - he's a great kid and amazes me every day. The other day he looked at me with serious eyes and said "Daddy, girls like me cos I'm a funny man." The boy is 2 1/2 :D

My child(ren) are my legacy, and a kind of immortality that you just don't really understand until you rear them yourself. Kids suck everything in the world around them in and are constantly learning, and the prime source of this is their parents. My boy is learning to be the kind of man I wish I was, and along the way I'm learning exactly who that person is. I will be a far greater man when my children are grown than I was to begin with.

It might not be for you. I'm not gonna get the video card upgrade I want for a while because we needed a new lawn mower, and childcare is expensive, and Kristopher's new Thomas the f***ing Tank Engine bed set us back 400 bucks. But when I come home from work my future screams "Daddy!" at the top of his lungs and runs down the hall to the garage.

Its also a good career move. Business people love the family man, it smacks of stability and grants anyone with a serious career in mind currency. Banks and other financial instutions seem to love it too - I know that although I will have less disposable income, securing a mortgage will be easier once the marriage is all finished.

Parenting is an expensive pain in the arse, trust me there's not much fun in 3am nightmares, frightening 40 degree+ temperatures for no reason (wtf). But its also the most rewarding thing I've ever gotten myself into. Its not for everyone, but it sure is for me :)

I agree with 2 things you said:
1. Its not for everyone
2. Kids suck

I'll probably attract someone worthwhile, because, like attracts like.

hahaha if that is what you think

i know a dad gets to see his kids 1 weekend a fortnight and fork out 37% before tax in maintance .loves his kids but life is pretty fuct for him atm.

i want to be like the n***** family.

i think the word emo is overused these days.

i don't see myself being a "kids man" (however note that i'm not even 18 yet so disregard my experience in the world as you see fit) but the thought of being alone at home watching TV when i'm 40-50 scares me. I see myself thinking, "well what the f*** have I accomplished with my life?"

but i don't feel obligated to have kids. it's perfectly acceptable to reject that life (and dare i say, the Australian dream) and the idea that you MUST get married and MUST get kids. it's not selfish to have kids if you choose, it's not selfish to not have kids if you choose.

Just sit back,do what you want and have fun,and if it happens it happens.

and if a little alcohol makes it happen then so be it, why mess with nature?

*reads thread* hahahahahahahhaha
i can't believe some of you people had the nerve to call me stupid

here's the deal, when you stop sucking at life: you can talk it up
until then, you'll have to settle for shutting the fk up.



oh and in direct response to one post unrelated to the above comment: 'god' didn't think it funny to inject you with 'silly girly' hormones, they're just there so the species doesn't die out. you're an animal, why do you think dogs try hump people's legs and full-christian youths try hump trees? humans have too much of an ego when it comes to how they think of themselves, that's the main problem. they get so caught up in every day life they forget where they really came from. and no, where they came from isn't from the mind of some divine entity, otherwise the way of thinking seen in this thread would actually be somewhat acceptable.

The aussie dream is to have kids? News to me. Anyone can do that. no dream there.

hey deads***s

have babies ok. wake up, otherwise u bitches will be the minority. any of you watched The Bill lately? lol think of that but with about 50 thousand more indians and coloured people. You guys will undoubtedly be the first to whine about having a wog/slopehead prime minister.

I hope you end up with currymuncher wog bosses who f***ing hate your dips*** lifestyles and leave you in the f***ing mailroom while their cousins/uncles etc get promoted and crap all over you whilst a new Taj Mahal is built over your local catholic church.

do the math idiots

commit gimpy, get your man-tubes tied, and stfu and be done with it.

I'm 36 an still have no desire to be a parent in any way shape or form. All my familylive in Mackay at a nice healthy distance where I don't have to deal with them (and they are all cool people who I love heaps). I just wanted to do my own thing.
I currently seeing a chick who loves sex as much as I do (which is great cause I get to bang her a couple of times a day at the least).

Be yourself, have fun, don't cave to societies peer pressure on marriage, kids etc an s*** will sort itself out

any of you watched The Bill lately?

i watch it every week

i dont get what you are saying though

I'm not a kid person ( i may become one when I grow up ) however I just want to be the first to say Hogfather's post rocked! Props to Hogfather.

When Agent99 and I get married she's gonna bear so many of my children that her uterus will fall out.

sok, I'll poke it back in for her ;P

PS: Yeah, /me also nominates Hogfather's post for thread win

A_W: nah i meant like how the American dream is to get married, have kids, own a house/car and all that crap. Sorta related to this.

Our dream is to own your own home. nothing more. Which of course is getting harder and harder for young people getting thier first. Hence many are staying at home much longer while they build up $$$ instead of piss it away on rent and s***. Smart choice.

Wow, this thread is still going :)

I guess the idea of having kids still scares me. It's the unknown factor. It's not just how your kids will turn out (which to a degree can be related to how you raise them) but how it will change your life. And I guess I just fear that I'll end up not liking my kids, OR, get divorced. That wouldn't be fun at all.

Gimpy,

You don't have to have children (when or if you decide to get married). Plus, it's something you have to decide with your partner anyway. Take a chill pill for now.

Also (for whatever it is worth - and I don't even really know you) - I'm sure you probably would make a good father one day. The very fact that you're thinking about it this much suggests to me that you would raise your children carefully (i.e. the best you can - which is ALL that anyone can ask for). And I'm sure you'll love them no-matter what (as if you couldn't love someone that constantly looks up to you as an all-mighty, all-powerful, all-knowing being :P).


Also, on a side note:
- Hogfather - you sound like an awesome father!! So glad you posted.


P.S. <3 u 2 Stinky :P.

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awww Agent99 lessthan 3's me

Yeah chicks dig arseholes :)

and pussies hate dicks because pussies get f***ed by dicks

but sometimes dicks f*** arseholes too.

Agent 99 - Is there a reason why you suck up to so many posters on here? You are way to f***ing sweet to be on qgl.

LOL - no...I don't suck up to anyone. I do less than 3 Stinky. Make love, not war Kat.

Yeah, I may be sweet...doesn't mean I don't like to mix with different ppl though. More than anything, I less than 3 diversity. Sometimes just hanging around other sweet girls bores me.

Life motto: Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none (well, to quote Shakespeare anyway).


last edited by Agent 99 at 17:58:15 14/Jan/06

stinky asif you wouldn't bust out the leone tomorrow

I was at a bookstore today and there was a father and son, both reading books together, doing that father son s*** described early on. And I was like, aww how cute..

Then, the kid decides he's bored or something and starts yelling, throws the book on the ground, and starts kicking the book shelves. Then the father booted the kid up the backside and started yelling at him.

I then left the bookstore cause I was getting nervous about what the kid was gonna do next!

Its a profound moment, in a mans life, when he stops thinking about himself and starts thinking about creating a happy family. A guy at work has had kids when he was 21, and I'm a bit jealous :)

A "profound moment"??
What the f*** is PROFOUND about wanting to procreate?
If you said it was a "animalistic" or "preprogrammed" moment maybe i could agree with you, but profound??
It is about as profound as needing to go to the toilet.

What the f*** is PROFOUND about wanting to procreate?

he didn't say procreate, he said create a happy family.

Merlyn you sound like a f*****, im not saying you are, but some of the things you say..

PS: Yeah, /me also nominates Hogfather's post for thread win

+1


the difficult path is the most rewarding.. hands down

Another example of the very ME ME ME society we have produced. Who gives a flying f.ck what you like or dislike, merlyn. I am sick to death of people trying to justify their own mindless self satisfying bulls*** of consumer based adequacy.

I wish your parents had the same convictions you have, then we wouldn't have to put up with your rants of how greed and self-indulgence is the go.

Children return love, just like your wife (except the sex). Love is by far a more gratifying gift then a friggin Plasma Widescreen TV or a holiday trip to Suva. But when you are so wrapped in yourself I guess you can't see past your own fkn wants and desires. Why? cause you are an arsehole on this planet and are prime examples of what makes this fkn world as fked as it is quickly becoming.

Why should our offspring look after you fkn pricks when your old and half dead. Go die on someones elses fkn planet where they also have no fkn kids.

Now their's my rant, so suck it down.

Not sure where you got that view from Nabel, i wasn't aware having an opinion was a homosexual tendancy?
And to SFB, so everyone has to conform to your way of thinking and not have an opinion of thier own.
This is the heart of the argument here, on one side you have mindless drones who believe they have to breed to be happy and the other side are basically anti the idea.
That is all good and well until one side start pressuring the other to conform to it's ideals. Give you one guess which side is usually which.....
If you are happy with your kids, good on ya, but don't force what i personally think is bulls*** down my throat, and definatly don't get all pissy (SFB and like) when i give my views as freely as you have given yours.

last edited by Merlyn at 22:25:14 14/Jan/06

Haven't bothered reading every post but I completely agree with Khel. It's like he's stepped into my mind and stolen all my thoughts. Kids shoukd be seen but not heard.

8-)

So Fat Bastard's argument is basically "Everyone should have kids because I say so, doesn't matter whether you want to or not, and if you disagree with me you're an arsehole".

Wow, thats a compelling case you've put forward there, I think you may have swayed me!

Neither seen nor heard.

Kids shoukd be seen but not heard.

I will tell her you said that, you mean mean man!

i had some old fart tell me his happy dad story then, call me selfish cause i dont have any . if its so dam good why am i selfish for not havin kids.
not everyone wants to do the whole kids and settle down thing.

It would be nice if people could look out at the world and actually see past their own nose.

Some people don't want marriage and kids just as much as some people do. Get over it people.

I would love a large family, doesn't mean everyone does and it definately doesn't mean everyone should.

Plenty of people on this earth who shouldn't pro create

"Plenty of people on this earth who shouldn't pro create"
amen to that

i just wanna bang hot asian chicks is that too much to ask

i didnt mean it in a gay way, just an insulting way, and now i kind of want to take it back, i didnt realise people were so negative on this issue though.

the most important thing is to respect and love each other. don't be a hater. i respect parents and i respect those who aren't just as much. be tolerant guys

ill have kids soon enough (i need them to be the sporting star i nearly was, AND THEY WILL LIKE IT)

word to that Spook.

also, great thread gimpy.

yep i concur, it started off kind of emo but has become reasonably thought provoking along the way, wd

Yeah I sobered up.

what is going on?

Only suckers raise kids while they are young. THERE'S NO RUSH. 40+ is the ideal time for kids. Ya getting a bit mature, slowing down, not doing much. Perfect time to raise a family. :)

Don't waste your youth. You only get it once. You've got at least 70 - 80 years according to life expectency, no rush.

yeah, 40 year old women get pregnant all the time

30 something is a common age now in western countries.

And all of you can thank your parents for not having the same opinions some of you do. If they did you wouldn't be posting on QGL's forum today and probably (by some of the dumb comments) that wouldn't have been such a bad idea.

We can also wish some posters parents DID have these views so we wouldn't have to put up with crap from these posters.

last edited by Merlyn at 05:22:15 15/Jan/06

its not my duty to have kids ,i think ill do what i want with my life .f*** u very much some fat bastard.(mmmmm that has a ring to it)

Actually Kat. I can make an exception for Hope seeing as she's one of the most well behaved kids I've seen.

8-)

aawwwwwwwww *proud mummy moment* thanks Rev.

Only suckers raise kids while they are young.

You do know that when you have kids your world doesn't end, right?

A comment on "Hated kids but had one now I love em"... why is this so?


I wanted a kid like an axe through my left nut. Then one day I got stuck with one.

What do I do?

1) Be a retard and treat the kid how I feel? How many of us have had weaselly selfish parents like that?

2) Make a decision. Love em, decide... to love em, the situation really sucks, the kid sucks, the f*****g nappies and the crying oh god that really sucks, it ALL sucks. But I'm the one I have to look at in the mirror each morning. Being consistant and facing my responsibilty is all I needed to do, any positive emotions came many months later.

Seven years on and I have a trully wonderfull caring little fella. And I feel like I've actually "grown up". For some wierd reason the 'decision' part is just natural now.

As for the customary mortgage, $40,000 FWD and 60hr a week job? f*** that, I rent, have a dirt cheap car and he and I have the best leet rigs, great air con at home and enjoy two broadband accounts for gaming and chan BT etc.

And everything hogfather said was true... Great post.


last edited by C0deBasher at 21:22:00 16/Jan/06

unless hating Brisbane girls is racist, which I guess it is, LOL.

Brisbane isn't a race, f***head.

Brisbane isn't a race, f***head.

No s***, I was joking around, SO GET f***ED!!

*edit* - locked now, so go find something else to ruin or another person to annoy.


last edited by gimpy at 11:20:52 17/Jan/06

+1 Gimpy 'I was just joking around' post.