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Topic: Mod Chips: Legal
trog
AGN Admin
Posts: 17507
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Great news today for console owners - the Australian High Court has ruled that mod chips are legal:
THE High Court of Australia has unanimously ruled today that mod-chips are legal, a decision which will have far reaching implications for computer game manufacturers.
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The High Court appeal rested on two issues. The first issue was whether a mod-chip circumvents a technological protection measure and therefore breaches Section 116A of the Copyright Act.
Maybe now you can import those titles that aren't actually for sale in Australia and play them legally!

Update: news.com.au have updated the original article to remove an incorrect line (which I carelessly quoted!) and add the following bad news:
While the decision is likely to please gaming enthusiasts - settling a long-running dispute over the legality of the chips under Australia's current copyright laws - their victory is likely to be short-lived.

The federal Government has agreed to amend Australia's copyright laws to outlaw mod chips as part of its trade agreement with the US.
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smart
Posts: 2134
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
and talk about them on z forums!
Xy
Posts: 251
Location: Mackay, Queensland
Now somebody tell them kunts at EB about this so i can keep my warranty on my ps2 if i get it chipped.
Yeah right they would laugh me out of the store.

P.S Nice lock for great justice trog ;P
Greazy
Posts: 3229
Location: Canada
Now somebody tell them kunts at EB about this so i can keep my warranty on my ps2 if i get it chipped.
Yeah right they would laugh me out of the store.
Yeah they will laugh at you. Not for saying that mod-chips are now legal, but for saying that moddifying your console wont break the warranty.
Xy
Posts: 254
Location: Mackay, Queensland
Eggzachery, and therefore untill my warranty runs out this is useless to me :/

By which time i should have a ps3.

last edited by Xy at 14:03:58 06/Oct/05
Dan
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Posts: 7076
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
So a great victory for importers, now the real question, where's the best place to get a PS2 mod installed? And don't say blade (overpriced).

If anyone knows someone that does them privately, give me an address. Or alternatively, are there any reasonably priced solderless chips worth looking into?
shad
Posts: 1281
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
It's also legal to smash a console with a hammer if it's yours, doesn't mean the warranty will uphold.
Xy
Posts: 255
Location: Mackay, Queensland
Also...

"While the decision is likely to please gaming enthusiast's -- settling a long-running dispute over the legality of the chips under Australia's current copyright laws -- their victory is likely to be short-lived.

The federal Government has agreed to amend Australia's copyright laws to outlaw mod chips as part of its trade agreement with the US."
A_W
Posts: 601
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

The court quashed Sony's argument that the mod-chip was a practical way to prevent copyright infringement.


Shouldn't that be commit copyright infringment Trog? I mean if mod chips *prevented* copyright infringement and not assisted it, then Sony and others would not have a problem with it.
Mantorok
Posts: 2696
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Shouldn't that be commit copyright infringment Trog?
trog didn't write the Australian IT article.
A_W
Posts: 603
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Yeah good point. Just thought he'd correct it himself. I know i do when i quote news.
HERMITech
Posts: 3015
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Yeah good point. Just thought he'd correct it himself. I know i do when i quote news.

But then your not actually quoting as such ..
Hashy
Posts: 2441
Location: Netherlands
Is chipping legal in America? I'm thinking no. I'm also thinking Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft of Australia's interest in the in Australian console market just dropped 10 fold.
TufNuT
I like eel pie
Posts: 2226
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
so johnny howard says its illegal and high court says it is legal..
is it or isnt it?
GB
Posts: 27
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

Australia just sucks. Correct me if i'm wrong but isn't it still illegal to put songs on to any kind of mp3 player? All of Australia's laws concerning IT are just stupid.
Sc00bs
Posts: 2014
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Where is the best place to get it modded? and how much does it cost?
trog
AGN Admin
Posts: 17510
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

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natslovR
Posts: 4555
Location: Sydney, New South Wales
Does that mean you can now unlock any locked modchip threads?

Now all we needs is some good FTA cases to hit the high court. Sorry MPAA, your implementation of region coding in DVDs contradicts the FTA with the US as well as local laws on competition. Even better would be everyone that had purchased a region 4 locked DVD receiving a substantial refund due to the MPAAs illegal price fixing.

Note: MPAA used as a generic label for the hollywood dvd industry. It may not really be appropriate use of the acronym in this case
sKryBe
Posts: 3179
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Didn't this go through like a year ago (based on Office of Fair Trade recommendations) then get overturned on appeal? So now it's been appealed again and the original decision reinstated?

Man the lawyers must love this sort of stuff... it's a license to print money for them.

Sadly this will probably be legislated against by a different arm of the government thus rendering all the consumer rights wins null and void.
Tanaka Khan
Posts: 1248
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
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LOL...Nukes himself...someone take a screenshot!
Twisted
Posts: 9611
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

What does this mean for people banned from Xbox Live for using a mod chip?
Khel
Posts: 10686
Location: Melbourne, Victoria
Nothing, because legal or not, Microsoft decided right at the start that nobody with a modified console is allowed on Live. Its the only sensible way for them to run Live really, I mean, if you allowed people to play on Live with modchips enabled, there'd be hacks galore.
0z
Posts: 1196
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
What does this mean for people banned from Xbox Live for using a mod chip?


Means nothing, your xbox has a serial eeprom with a serial number that number is whats banned, that number is also used to lock you hard drive.

There is a way around getting unbanned by changing the eeproms number but thats a very risky thing can make your xbox into a nice paper wieght.


last edited by 0z at 10:33:41 07/Oct/05
Splash
Posts: 2242
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
There is a way around getting unbanned by changing the eeproms number but thats a very risky thing can make your xbox into a nice paper wieght.


*insert xbox are huge lol joke here*
trog
AGN Admin
Posts: 17513
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Shouldn't that be commit copyright infringment Trog? I mean if mod chips *prevented* copyright infringement and not assisted it, then Sony and others would not have a problem with it.
Yeh, you're totally right - I didn't read it carefully when I posted it, and then when I read your post I read it again and still got it wrong!

news.com.au since deleted that crap and replaced it with all new stuff.
trog
AGN Admin
Posts: 17514
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Also, make sure you note the update about the Free Trade Act
orbitor
Posts: 6722
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
I only bought an xbox because it could be modded for the awesomeness that is XBMC.

I only bought many of the PC parts I did because I could overclock, volt-mod, BIOS mod, etc. them.

I only bought my car because I could modify it.

I would only buy a PSP because of the potential to mod it and run homebrew code.

Pretty much anything factory and stock is just boring to me. I would be totally turned off buying a s***load of stuff if I couldn't customise it to my purposes.
parabol
Posts: 1774
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
Pretty much anything factory and stock is just boring to me

I agree. I mod pretty much everything that comes my way to an extent.

Though some chicks hate it when you try to apply Hot Coffee :/
sKryBe
Posts: 3187
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
That crap with the free trade act is what's wrong with the country. Two separate Govt organisations are espousing diametrically opposed opinions on what is right and good. And to top it off consumer response has indicated that the public agrees with mod-chipping and heck so does the supreme court. Yet because our pollies in Canberra are playing suck-up with the USA we're going to have all that overturned. Sometimes I hate our country. :(
Kimbo
Posts: 191
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

Man screw America.

If I bought a game in Malaysia and wanted to play it over here because of certain 'disc region codes' I should be allowed to play it where ever I feel like.
TufNuT
I like eel pie
Posts: 2229
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
That crap with the free trade act is what's wrong with the country. Two separate Govt organisations are espousing diametrically opposed opinions on what is right and good. And to top it off consumer response has indicated that the public agrees with mod-chipping and heck so does the supreme court. Yet because our pollies in Canberra are playing suck-up with the USA we're going to have all that overturned. Sometimes I hate our country. hate john howard :(


fixed.
Tuco
Posts: 641
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
f*** off somewhere else then
Fetal IceCream
Posts: 10
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

and after EB employee laughs at you for wanting to keep your warranty on your modded console...
they will then laugh at you, because by december this year, howard and his liberal controlled senate will have passed the amendment to the copyright laws making mod chips illegal permanantly.

and they were already on the path to doing it BEFORE the free trade agreement with USA.
Xy
Posts: 270
Location: Mackay, Queensland
That information might have been useful 2 days ago fetal, we are well up to speed now.
nexus6
Posts: 5
Location: Canberra, Australian Capital Territory

From what i have seen, every single game or dvd any of my friends have ever bought overseas has been a pirate copy. I have no problem with people playing stuff from over seas (i really hate the whole region thing) but i do have a problem with pirated stuff. Has anyone here actually bought legitimate stuff over seas. Especially from south east asia?
Xy
Posts: 281
Location: Mackay, Queensland
Post count 5, Location canberra. hmmmm
What's it to ya fed?
Everything anyone on these boards ever buys is 100% legitimate, now run along please.
groydis
Posts: 495
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
ive bought legit games from asian countrys that you would suspect to only every sell pirated games.

i bought them because a)they came out over 2 years earlier over there b) they never came out over here c)it was bucket loads cheaper.

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reload!
Posts: 2097
Location: Brisbane, Queensland
That crap with the free trade act is what's wrong with the country. Two separate Govt organisations are espousing diametrically opposed opinions on what is right and good.

We seperate the judicial and legislative powers for a reason. If the two always conformed on everything we would have far less freedom.
Zwan
Posts: 47
Location: Melbourne, Victoria

From what i have seen, every single game or dvd any of my friends have ever bought overseas has been a pirate copy. I have no problem with people playing stuff from over seas (i really hate the whole region thing) but i do have a problem with pirated stuff. Has anyone here actually bought legitimate stuff over seas. Especially from south east asia?


Yes i bought several copies of half life 2 for about 10 aus each for my computers at home, and we all know having that game pirated is almost pointless since its almost all online.
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